Some Nice Hits and a question about Bartending

[jamesdeanmartin]

I\'ve never been a big fan of the bar scene, especially considering how lame it is locally, but a friend of mine I hadn\'t seen in a while invited me out for karoake night at a local establishment, so I went out.

Overall a pretty productive night. I had on two splashes of PPA and four drops of AE (one behind each ear, under my neck and one on my chest.) I wasn\'t expecting much action, I had been to this bar before and it was fairly dead.

Anyway, by the end of the night I ended up getting lap dances from a couple girls (one time all three at once) and a song \"I Touch Myself\" dedicated to me by a very willing young lady (she just put \"natural redhead\" next to her number, so I don\'t know her name). My friend said, \"holy [censored], this place is crawling with horny girls out of nowhere, it\'s never been like this.\" I had two girls dancing up on each other in front of me for most of the songs and occassionally they would give me a little lap dance. Two girls gave me their numbers without me even asking, and the one girl who was giving me a lap dance unbuckled her jeans and allowed me to place a one dollar bill in the front of her thong. I\'m sure these girls are bastions of civility and paragons of virtue but you know what, it felt good to feel like a piece of meat for a while :-) I had huge eye contact from six or seven girls, women just completing DIHLing on me, but most of them were not even in my phero-range.

Maybe I should get out more. My friends have been on me about limiting myself by hanging out in the coffee shop all the time, and swooning over \"little 20-year olds\" etc. They say I could pick up a lot of great girls at bars, or at least have some fun. Hmmm, what a novel concept.As I left, my friend said, \"this wasn\'t a normal night in here, but you need to keep coming out and bringing these girls with you\". I just smiled.

Anyway, my question: What do you have to do to be trained to be bartender? I\'ve seen a couple of ads in the local papers with info on learning how to bartend. Do I just pay someone and get trained or what? I need to pick up some cash while I\'m taking time off from school, and I think bartending could be a great choice.

JDM

[Whitehall]

Ah, Bartending! My dream job too. In what other occupation do women PAY you to cloud their judgment and lower their inhibitions? Too bad that California outlawed smoking in bars because I just LOVE lighting a lady\'s cigarette. All those lonely, drunk women!!!! (FTR is gonna slash me for saying that!)

You can pay to go to a school but better, you can just get OTJ training. The way in is to ask to start as a barback; that\'s the guy who lugs the ice and takes out the trash and cuts the limes, etc. It\'s a backbreaking job and low pay so there is lot\'s of turnover. Just make it part of the deal with the boss that you get some training.

[jose]

This should prove that AE is one of the best products out.

[proteus]

Or possibly the PPA - I\'m getting more and more certain that this is the product I need to try next as I\'m impressed with the stories coming out from folks using it. JDM have you used either the AE or PPA alone and was there any difference in reactions from folks around you between the two?

[upsidedown]

What exactly did you mean by \"a few splashes\" of PPA? To me a splash is like a cupped handful of product. Was it a lot, or did you mean some small minute traces....perhaps ismaller than drops or dabs? Just tryng to figure out your total -none content here.

Thanks

[jamesdeanmartin]

proteus - this was my first experience with the new PPA. I\'m really not sure how much of an effect the pheros really had however, because most of my hits and DIHL looks came from girls I perceived to be too far away. Then again, once the girls got close to me, they did start dancing really close, so maybe the pheros were the icing on the cake.

I\'ve used AE before. I like it, I think it works really well, it\'s just expensive for not a lot of it. I poured the remains of my AE into my old NPA holder, there is still some traces of NPA in there I think, so maybe it would add to the reaction, i don\'t know. When I apply the AE, I can pick up a small NPA smell.

[jamesdeanmartin]

I wasn\'t sure how to phrase the PPA I put on. I just put my finger over the top, turned the bottle over and then put that amount on. Splash may be a bad term, but it was more than a drop.

JDM

[Whitehall]

That\'s a dab, dude.

[proteus]

thanks for the info JDM. Those were really quality hits you got and it\'s very interesting that you say you were using the \"new\" PPA - I think I\'m about ready to add this to my arsenal !!

[Watcher]

I still say that unscented attraction still rivals PPA for its effectiveness as far as being almost the same and working very well. Its all interesting the current developments, the womens AE might be my next order i think. You really have to add soemthing like PPA or attraction to youre arsenal i think.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

That\'s ok, Whitehall. I know you like \'em drunk and desperate. I just ... I thought you were better than that. But I\'ve adjusted.

[DrSmellThis]

...and stupid. You forgot that one.

Crowley advocated going for the dumbest possible women. I usually end up with smart ones. Oh well...

[BassMan]

<blockquote><font class=\"small\">In reply to:</font><hr>

Crowley advocated going for the dumbest possible women. I usually end up with smart ones. Oh well...

<hr></blockquote>How the devil did you get Crowley into this? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[jamesdeanmartin]

I always shoot for the smart ones, but the dumb ones are the only ones who like me back, and I end up getting \"bored\" with them real quick.

JDM

[**DONOTDELETE**]

hi jdm

there\'s a theory out there that the less educated you are, the more you have sex

don\'t know why that is, but it\'s interesting.

so i guess that means that all guys are dumb, and so are older women? damn!

[Whitehall]

I really, really prefer smart women but that small fraction of the female population that appears relatively intelligent relative to my own gifts often is pretty wacky. Every gift comes with a cost - and it seems that the gift of female intelligence often is associated with neurosis and instablity. Add in feminism which has taught smart women the false premise that women are the SAME as men and, well, a good smart woman is hard to find. It must be difficult to be a truly intelligent woman in today\'s world. Being smart is not particularly fashionable and when you add the erroneous expectations of feminism, tremendous conflicts result.

It also seems that intelligence in females is diseugenic - dumber women have more children.

The problems all started when we gave them the vote......

I\'m sure that Red will agree 100%.

[jose]

lol I sometimes catch Howard Stern on TV and he\'s quizzes some beautiful playboy models and regular hot girls. Some of them are as dumb as a pole. Guys if she\'s \"HOT\" would you really care if she knew the 50 states when you could be pounding what\'s between her legs every night?

[Whitehall]

The dumb and/or drunk ones can be fine for pounding, no argument there, but if you appreciate a woman giving back and making your life better in return, then brains ARE important. Just about any legal female can be your sperm bucket for a night.

Of course, feminine intelligence differs in nature from the male version. It\'s in how she makes a home, or organizes beauty in your lives, or supports your ego in your battles in the world. A man\'s intelligence is meant to conquer; a woman\'s intelligence is meant to follow.

[jose]

Whitehall so are you saying that dumb women can\'t give you the support, courage and organize your life well just because her IQ is not so high? I find that (some not all) intelligent women are too demanding, materialistic and just want a \"yes man\". Still you do make a good point but if she\'s a Playboy model type with college degrees and masters I\'ll take that too.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

AresX - that was good.

Whitehall, the problem with being an intelligent woman, if I\'m not flattering myself too much to consider myself in that category, is that if you are also feminine and have the strong instinct to follow, it\'s very hard to find a man worth following and/or who is leading anyplace you might be interested in.

Also the exhaustion from constantly having to dumb down for men, so they won\'t feel threatened by you. That will wear a girl out. :-)

Re the pretty girls for pounding: pretty boys are nice for that too, doesn\'t really matter if they\'re dumb, they\'re not there to talk anyway... :-)

[Pet]

Hi everyone! Now this I just have to comment on (especially since I can\'t really join in on your talks about pheros because I\'m not using any yet).
Feminism is crap in my humble opinion. I think it started out as a good idea but got totally off track by now. Men and women AREN\'T the same, that\'s the whole point! If we were, I\'d stop bothering with men and start sleeping with women! With heterosexuals it is obvious that men want what they don\'t have and women want what we don\'t have (and I don\'t mean just sexual organs, the most feminine women are usually attracted to the more masculine men because they (the men) are all hairy and big and strong and tough, while they are soft and gentle and sensitive...). I can\'t see why women would even want to be treated the same as men. I think women can do anything they want but they should still remain women, feminine, beautiful, sensitive. It\'s ridiculous when they compete with men! I LOVE being a woman and I LOVE being treated as one, I\'d feel like s**t if a man treated me like he treats his buddies!
I don\'t think any of the women here are very much into feminism (the distorted movement it\'s become) because I\'m guessing all those \"liberated\" women would never use pheromones to attract a man, it would be humiliating to them. But that\'s so stupid isn\'t it? Being a true feminist doesn\'t mean you have to hate men, it means loving them but also loving yourself for being a woman. At least that\'s how I see it, how I think it should be.
Guess that explains why I don\'t have too many female friends huh? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif
As for the stupid women being easier, probably true. A smart woman usually thinks enough of herself not to do it with every pretty face she meets. But all in all, we\'re still better than men as far as that goes; men, smart or stupid, WILL do it with every pretty face they meet!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
Ok, so much from me. Guess this isn\'t a phero discussion anymore but it\'s about men and women and sex so maybe I can still get away with it...? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
Kisses to you all!
Pet

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Pet, the feminist. Ok, I\'m through, that\'s all I can take...

Did you know that women were castrated routinely (clitoridectomy - which we now call \"female genital mutilation\" and decry as barbaric in other countries - was regularly practiced in England and here in the Victorian era, which was not ALL that long ago) for \"hysteria,\" back in the days when we had to wear corsets at all times and the only options available to us for occupaton were housework and child care? That we were not allowed to own property? That it was thought bad for our health to exercise, or to be educated? That it was legal for our husbands to rape and beat us? That it was an arguable point whether or not women had souls?

Feminism goes back a very long way, not just to the sixties, and it still has a very long way to go. Medical care is still substandard; ob/gyns are patronizing and ill-informed, and most studies are performed only on men, with results that do not necessarily apply to women. There are still wage inequities. There are still stereotypes. ... ad infinitum ad nauseum.

No woman wants to be treated like a man. But no woman wants to be treated like a non-entity, either. I don\'t understand how a man with any intelligence, compassion, and instinct to protect and defend (in other words, an Alpha) can fail to empathize with the struggle of women for social equality and equal treatment under the law. Men without an axe to grind, at least of my aquaintance, overlook and forgive the rage and grief and are supportive of the cause.

Women are as varied in their interests and abilities as are men; we are more similar than alike. We\'re rocket scientists and attorneys and doctors and authors every bit as much as you are. While it\'s interesting in the bedroom to polarize sex roles, when half the population is forced into role from birth to death, it\'s called oppression. Real men lead rather than oppress.

Study the history of feminism rather than disparage the entire movement on the basis of what\'s happened in the most recent decades. Which, by the way, are bygones. Relations between the sexes have changed since the sixties and seventies -- I don\'t know any radical feminists any more than I know any Black Panthers.

[MaxiMog]

\"It also seems that intelligence in females is diseugenic - dumber women have more children\"

You could be right there, Whitehall!
I mean, I\'m the third of four sons, so I would have to agree on my mother\'s intelligence.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Dumber women have more children because they\'re less aware of/able to correctly use birth control; they\'re often married to dumb men who fail to take responsibility and/or pride themselves on the number of children they father, regardless of how well they are able to provide for and care for them.

[Funlover]

Hey JDM, you mentioned that your PPA is the new stuff. How about your AE? Was it the new or the old?

Thanks!!

Funlover

[MaxiMog]

Dunno... My mother isn\'t very intelligent at all, but my dad is extremely intelligent. My mother is basically not that intelligent because she only went to school \'till her 14th birthday because of certain circumstances.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Because she\'s not educated does not mean she\'s not smart. I mean, maybe she *isn\'t* smart - but lack of education has nothing to do with inherent intelligence. It sounds like she is more unfortunate than anything else.

[Whitehall]

Red,

I have to agree with a lot of what you wrote. Many outrageous fashions of the past have been damaging to females. We\'re relatively free from the worst of those in the West these days but we have in the last few decades swung too far - maybe we\'re settling in to a better social balance. However, rage is an emotional response that we should try to put behind us - it disrupts the social life of men and women together and the trust and security we need to put up with each other. Besides, rage is so unattractive.

The basic problem is that sex is so anti-social. The competition for mates is often at the expense of a smoothly running social structure. All social organizations HAVE to tame and moderate the sexual impulses of its individuals. Somebody has to pay the bills for the kids that show up after the nights of lust. There are many ways to do that with differing apportionment of costs and advantages to each technique.

As to a smart female finding a suitably intelligent male to be her leader, I see that as a serious problem, almost everyday. I do what I can but there is only so much of me to spread around and so many ladies in need.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Let\'s put you in a corset, cut off your genitals, deny you an education, knock you up once a year throughout your fertile years and make you stay in the house with the screaming brats, insist on top of it that you are only allowed a certain range/degree of behaviors, and I\'ll come back in the next lifetime to scold you for your rage, how\'s that? I\'ll pat you on your ass and tell you there, there, dear, now get me some dinner ... what\'s wrong, sweetums? are we pms-ing? oh, these cranky women ... I just don\'t understand why they\'re so moody...

[Whitehall]

And another thing....

Smart women don\'t often seem to appreciate getting a little pat on the butt. I don\'t know why that would be - it\'s just a gentle form of loving endearment. I especially love to give my woman a nice pat on the butt when she\'s in the kitchen fixing my dinner - women are so sexy in the kitchen!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

At least we\'re cute when we\'re mad.

[Pet]

Like I said, feminism started off by being a good idea but in my opinion it no longer is. Propagating women\'s rights is one thing, de-womanising women quite another. I consider myself to be a true feminist because I believe women can and should do all they want but I am against women competing with men and exercising their power by acting like men. It\'s men who started it in the first place by being such bastards and I really don\'t think women need to become like that in order to express ourselves, our talens, power, intelligence,... whatever it is. We should stay women, not become men simply because the rules we\'re supposed to live by were written by men. We should be treated as equals because we are but we are not the same and never will be.
I think feminism as it is today is discriminating against women itself! For example, you have women\'s poetry festivals where all the performers are women. What the hell is that? That\'s practically shoving women into a women\'s gheto! Not to mention how it is discriminating against men! If men were to come up with a poetry festival for men only, we\'d all call them chauvinists!
All I\'m saying that it\'s gone out of control and it\'s not serving it\'s purpose anymore. It started off as a movement that celebrated women for what we are, now, it celebrates women who make it in a men\'s world. Big difference.
Pet

P.S. This probably doesn\'t belong here anymore so I\'m not gonna discuss it here anymore. You can send me a private message if you want.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Pet, just curious - have you ever done any reading on the subject?

[Pet]

Plenty, it was the subject of my thesis. I graduated with honors.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Really? How great, I admire you. Then maybe you could recommend some reading to me. I\'d love to have a list of the books you found most relevant.

[Pet]

I\'ll have to check for the English titles but I\'ll send you a list when I get them. Some of them probably haven\'t been translated into English yet but I\'ll do my best to find at least a few of those who have been. And by the way, most of the books advocate feminism as you see it, I formed my own opinion based on that.
Pet

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I majored in English/Secondary Education, and never really thought too much about feminism other than it\'s certainly more comfortable to go without a bra than to wear one :-) - I took Victorian literature (poetry and expository writing) and that led to much delving into the subject of feminism. I\'m really grateful to the women who went before us.

[Pet]

I am EXTREMELY grateful to women who went before us. I\'m just not all that proud of the women who are going now!!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I\'m curious what it is that you so object to. Not trying to argue, just curious. ...

[proteus]

Interesting thread and interesting opinions. While there may be excesses in the feminist movement (as there are in most movements), my perspective is that this whole idea of what \" womens proper roles are/women should stop trying to be like men\" is really jurassic and ridiculous.

It reminds me of the bashing Martha Stewart (some of it brought on by herself I admit) is getting which I believe has for the most part nothing to do with her alleged \"crimes\" or \"persona\" but more to do with the fact that a lot of people get very irritated when a woman is as tough/ruthless/intelligent/independent as most male ceo\'s are expected to be. But I guess her trying to be like a \"man\" is very threatening to a lot of folk and this to me is a sign of real insecurity and weakness and belongs in the dinosaur age. From my pov each individual chooses their role for themselves and no-one has the right to box someone else into a stereotypical role.

And as for \"giving\" women the vote - it was never any man\'s to \"give\". The right to vote was/is any human beings right in a \"free\" society . This right to vote had been \"taken/stolen\" from women, up until women finally had enough power to take back what was rightfully theirs.

[Whitehall]

It turns out that if you graph number of live births vs family income, you get a U-shape. At the poor end of the curve, families have lot\'s of kids since they help later on and the expenses of a full education are too daunting. Maybe there are economies of scale too - \"Cheaper by the Dozen\"? At the other end, wealthy families also tend to have lot\'s of kids since they have the wherewithall to raise and educate them to the highest standards.

Small families happen in the middle. That\'s where the ambitions are the greatest but the money is limited. It becomes a better strategy to have just a few kids and pour what money there is onto them in hopes that they become wealthy too.

As to not-smart women loving and supporting their families - they do and often they do a better job of it than the overeducated smart-ass feminists. Better to have a loving mother than a cold one of any intelligence. For example, Martha Steward is one smart cookie but supposedly an indifferent mother.

[Gerund]

Whew! Quite a discussion going on in this thread. All I know is that it\'s no longer politically correct to use the phrase,

\"pregnant, barefoot, and inside the fence.\" hehe /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Whitehall, on the subject of \"having it all,\" you and I are in perfect agreement, I believe. I\'m definitely for the right to choose your own path in life, but if the choice is career, to me, that precludes children. One or the other, but not both -- the kids are inevitably neglected. My senior attorney, the most enlightened living man in the universe, disagrees and says it can be done, but I have yet to see it.

Which doesn\'t mean, however, that a smart-ass feminist couldn\'t be a good mother.

[Watcher]

Smart ass feminist are great mothers they teach that the world should be female focused and men are lower levels. This has the effect of balancing out those alpha male pigs who have the view that man are king and women belong in the kitchen. Of course belief system wars manifest themselves within the human social environment. (Read mindwars folks its a great read) unfornatley it lead to 9/11 because different religious belief systems didnt agree. On the other hand one can take advantage of different finacial belief systems within stock markets to make oneself more money (esp in volatile times) as those that are after a quick profit, or small loses those seeking undervalued stocks and the bulls and the bears.

[Gerund]

Watcher, how in the world did you segue from Feminism to Religion to Economics in one paragraph? I\'ve never been that good~ /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

Well i segue all over the place always, i didnt cover politics in that paragraph however im good (thanking NLP for that). Hey my idea on the number of kids i want is 1 or 2 at most. Down the track so i guess the middle class idea fits in well. :P
So yes the belief systems is extendable to science and any area of human thought. Its all theroretical but very interesting.

www.divasofdance.com (\"http://www.divasofdance.com\")

[Whitehall]

A basic problem is that if feminism insists that females be able to take on any role that men have, who is going to be the mothers? I\'ve been a single father and can tell you from personal experience that only a woman can be a real mother. I was more than a father but less than a mother and the kids suffered. While individuals will chart their own course in life, as a member of society I have a duty to point out the costs some of those roles impose on the rest of society. Some people have an attitude of \"screw the world its all about ME.\" Oddly, one of the bitter fruits of feminism has been in more men skating on their obligations to their offspring.

As for voting, freedom may be a \"human right\", but you have to win it and protect it - rights come at a price. That said, every democracy/republic has the obligation to regulate the franchise. In the US we currently deny the right to vote to non-citizens, minors, the mentally incompetent and felons.

Whom we exclude from the franchise is subject to reasonable debate in every day and age. The argument against women voting in the early days was that voters should be literate and have a stake in property and the affairs of government. If a married woman was not educated and could not own property, her sense of responsibility to good government was suspect. Women could also split the family vote, undermining the man in his duties as head of household. Women can still be accused with some validity of being too emotional and more subject to non-rational appeals - that\'s why pheromones are so effective on them. People also say that women will tend to vote for the pretty face - witness J. F. Kennedy.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

But you\'re not bitter, I\'m sure.

[Whitehall]

Actually, I was very glad to be rid of the short, fat, and ugly bitch - smart too.

Still, I resent having to pay taxes to support the fruit of other guys\' loins. The rising number of kids being raised or supported by their grandparents is a case in point. That\'s an extremely dangerous signal that something is wrong in our social arrangements.

How did \"Bitter Fruits\" get mixed in with a discussion on feminism? That\'s another gender topic altogether.

Let\'s get back to bartending and drunk women!

[tounge]

Whitehall, Your posts on this day of of sadness have been utterly brillant. Keep up the good work. It\'s people like you that make this board worthwhile

[jamesdeanmartin]

Old AE from Bruce as part of the EW special.

JDM

[jamesdeanmartin]

I\'m staying out of the whole feminism subject.

As far as intelligent women, sure a hot woman would be nice to have sex with, but about the other 23 hours and 5 minutes in the day :-) We really need a quote machine to randomly display some of our best lines from the forum :-)

Seriously, I need to be both intellectually stimulated and physically stimulated. If it isn\'t happening, I\'m not interested. These hits were nice, but the girls aren\'t doing much for me. I went out to lunch with one of them today and we had zero chemistry (sure we had chemistry when we were drunk, but now, stone cold sober, things were different). Anyway, I tend to find women much more attractive over time.

From a psychological standpoint, our opinion of someone\'s physical attractiveness tends to rise the more we get to see them. The more we are exposed to a stimulus, the more likely we are to find it pleasing (my psych profs used to use this in order to get all of us to come to class all the time, the more we show up, the more likely someone in class will think we are hot). This is similar to saying a food (such as beer) eventually grows on you (I\'m forgetting the actual saying here, but you get the point.) This is something to be aware of.

Also, the more you \"put into\" a relationship, ie time, money etc. the higher you value it. That girl I was chasing forever was not as hot as a lot of girls I could have gone after, but living above her coffee shop, spending so much time with her, I had a created a psychological committment to her. I had to justify all the things I was doing by thinking how perfect this girl was and how she was \"the one\", when in all honesty, I would have moved on much sooner if I wasn\'t so entangled.
This may also be why I find my ex-girlfriend who I dated for 3 1/2 years to be the most beautiful girl in the world. I put so much into it, my mind had to somehow compensate for it all by balancing the differences and telling me that she is so beautiful she is worth it all.

Not sure where I\'m going with this, be back later. There\'s a point somewhere, maybe I\'m just waxing about my old Social Psychology course (I sure as hell paid attention to the relationship section).

Beer is an acquired taste, that\'s the saying I was looking for above. I think in many cases, the opposite sex can be an acquired taste.

JDM

[**DONOTDELETE**]

hi jdm

i saw a book on amazon that confirmed what you said about stimulus

that\'s also a reason why commercials sometimes only mention the name, without telling you what the product is, or what it does, or even why it\'s so great

eventually, you hear the name enough, and then you feel comfortable with it, and you\'ll trust it more...
hmmmmmmm.......

AresX
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do you love me yet? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

that\'s why i think the posters on this board with the higher titles such as Full Member, Journeyman, Phero Pro, Phero Pharaoh get more respect than a Newbie or Stranger, you see their name all over the place!

AresX
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[Watcher]

Yes NLP type of language and human behavioural studies. We should go back to the old stars rating system. You see a user you can rate them once on a scale of 1-5 stars or even a comments page about what you think of a particular member. Those of us with experience however deserve the higher titles. There are the ones around here for ages that have really laid the groundwork for the success of this forum the various mixes and even new research and publicity for pheromones in general plus bringing a degree of actual fact behind pheromones.

But you are right that is why certain marketing techniques fail whist the rest work. Human nature NLP can be applied in many areas, my advice study it well implement it and model human excellence.

[xxxPantero]

\"Those of us with experience however deserve the higher titles.\"

No doubt about it. Yet weren\'t some of you completely thrown off when jkohl was a \"Newbie\" or \"Stanger\"?

[Watcher]

No not really we knew who he was, but yeah it was a little strange but i knew from day one that that was how the system worked. You come in as a newbie the more you post and participate the more you go up. That is reward for the expertise and posting of stories to develop pheromone as a whole. But we could have a dual rating system also.