PPA update The new "PAN"

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okay everyone, i present to you a combo that is so effective that it should be outlawed.....after much adieu, please allow me to introduce....NPA/PPA combo, \"pan\" for short....passion and new phero additive....pan is dangerous guys..adding these two ingredients makes the apc dynamic duo look like it belongs in the jurassic part era...it doesnt matter if you have the new ppa or the old, they both work equally well..what makes it good is the 1.5% none that stone makes along with clean regeants...plus it has alcohol base that is ideal for mxing w/NPA....it dont get no better than this , try it, youll see...mix in standard 5:1 ratio

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Scuse, but can you clarify the \"standard 5:1 ratio\":
1. is that ml:ml liquid/drops OR mg:mg -NONEs;
2. is PPA 5 and NPA 1; and
3. was combo pre-mixed into a separate bottle ... separate atomizer ... w or w/o cologne ... which cologne?
PS Since it appears you did not order your (new-scent) PPA from here, where DID you get it?
Thanks!

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yes, pan is to be mixed 5 parts ppa, 1 part npa .... this can be mixed either in roll on bottle or dabbed on, however, i havent tried spraying it yet, but since both are alcohol based, it may be damn way to disperse it..the magic of pan is that it seems to disperse the npa very well, much better than the oil of apc..and the clean none along with the npa makes the clitty kitty start purring

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Thanks - PS:
1. Since it appears you did not order your (new-scent) PPA from here, where DID you get it?
2. How many total -none-combo drops did you apply?

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llisten guys, you can spend the rest of your lives mixng jbx 1 jb this or jb that or adding copulins and throwing in some pi for w and then mixing in some TE..etc. etc. etc..... BULLSHIT..you guys dont know if your [censored], shot, powderburned or snake bit.... do yourselves a favor and realize these few important facts: npa is one of the best damn prodcuts on this sight...your goal, find the best damn base to put it in.....PAN is all that and more..part of NPA\'s notoriety is its high dispersal alcohol rate...since its made to be added to an alcholol based cologne..walla!! PPA is the perfect base....now, RM would have been good except that its too none heavy..the extra npa prolly spices it up, but the PPA sits back and gently carries the npa, not overpower it like the rm can, leaving you with your phero\'s hanging out in a few hours as oscar used to say....so come on guys, quit [censored] around and get busy

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Dear Jamboot

if we mix the NPA/PPA 1:5 and since both are 100% -NONE we will end up with a solution of 2.05% pure -NONE.

If I do the same thing but only with 1 part NPA and 23 parts of clear Alcohol(or anything close that will mix well and not destroy -NONE), the I \'ll get a solution of 2% pure - NONE

So my quetsions are

1). why buy PPA?
2) are you suggesting that we will get results on that 2.05% concentration and if so how many parts of it should someone apply?


Regards

[BassMan]

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if we mix the NPA/PPA 1:5 and since both are 100% -NONE we will end up with a solution of 2.05% pure -NONE.

If I do the same thing but only with 1 part NPA and 23 parts of clear Alcohol(or anything close that will mix well and not destroy -NONE), the I \'ll get a solution of 2% pure - NONE

<hr></blockquote>Uhhh...

You\'re mixing apples, oranges, and wombats in your math.

NPA is 0.48 mg/ml pheros, which is undoubtedly part none, and the rest \"secret ingredients\". We don\'t even know for sure it\'s got any none, since LaCroy won\'t release the formula. Assuming we are all guessing correctly, tho, that would be 0.048% none + secret ingredients, not 100%.

PPA is 0.15 mg/ml clean Stone Labs none. That\'s 0.015% none, not 100%.

A mix of 5:1 PPA:NPA would contain:

0.048 * ( 1 / 6 ) = 0.008% LaCroy none + secret ingredients
0.015 * ( 5 / 6 ) = 0.0125% clean Stone Labs none.

[Funlover]

I don\'t know where Jamboot got his. He isn\'t telling. But I did a search trying to learn more about the two different scents of PPA, and www.luvessentials.com (\"http://www.luvessentials.com\") carries it, but I\'m not sure what \"flavor\" theirs is. They have some essential oil/aromatherapy stuff too.

Funlover

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Didn\'t Jamboot say to use NPA/w? I\'m sure i read that somewhere, that would certainly not make things 100% none.
Maybe i misread.

[franki]

Quote from Jamboot:
\"plus it has alcohol base that is ideal for mxing w/NPA....\"

You meant that sentence. I don´t think he means NPA/w

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good point!

[proteus]

Okay, been following this PPA stuff since you\'re initial post Jamboot and you seem pretty convinced you have found the ultimate phero mix - like everyone else I\'m curious as to where you got the PPA that you\'re using. and could you give us a description of the \"hits\" you\'ve gotten with this new combo

[tounge]

I wish I had a dollar for every time someone comes on here proclaiming the \"Magic Bullet.\" Sorry, but I\'ll go for it when 12 other respected forum members get the same results.

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Tongue - I\'ve got to tell you man, this is how the formulas get started. I, like you, read about the various mixes including JB-X mix and thought it was just another mix BUT man, that stuff works for me when all others didn\'t (except for SOE). So we\'ll keep an open mind as well as hope for \"PAN\" as a new \"Magic Bullet\" formula.

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PAN is it...i get the new stuff from Phil Stone....yes, it is the magic bullet...im sorry, PAN is the best out of them all...i promise you....girls will go to great lenghts to be close to you wearing PAN.....dont take my word on this,..you got to tryit

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This is the beauty of Bruce, you can give it a shot and if it doesnt work, feh, you *can* get your money back. I dunno if this is as good as he is saying it is, but I think I will at least order some on my next check and give it a shot. Nothing to really lose, right?

Myke

[jamesdeanmartin]

http://www.love-scent.com/stone-lab/index.html (\"http://www.love-scent.com/stone-lab/index.html\")

[chummym]

me thinks your pushing this a bit too hard. no product is going to work for everyone and NPA is definately not the greatest product known to man. many people who use it get mixed results with it at best. PPC sounds like a product i\'d be willing to try but i\'d like more people to give results and hit stories from a wider range of people first. 1 or 2 people saying
LOOK LOOK I MADE A MIX ITS THE BEST IN THE WORLD YOU\"LL NEVER NEED ANYTHING ELSE!!!! PRAISE ME!!!!!
...that just doesn\'t sell me on something.

anyway good luck and awnser the question asked many times.
\"if you didn\'t buy your PPA here where did you get it from?\"

[aaron]

Jamboot:
Forgive me if I\'m being dense here, but adding NPA to PPA, aren\'t you simply mixing two -none preparations...unless you\'ve been mixing NPA(w) with PPA. Which of the two NPAs were you mixing?

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Dude, it would seem that you have everyone\'s attention. I\'m sure we would all love to give you the recognition you deserve, but when questions are ask we just get back more noise.

You know the drill.

1. What did you mix?
2. Where did you get it?
3. What were the ratios?
4. How did you apply it?
5. Where did you apply it?
6. When, how, who, where, were the hits?

Thanx,
sigipa

[Funlover]

Way To Go, Sigipa!! We need the \"Nitty Gritty\"!!! Otherwise we might not continue to believe all the \"noise\".

Funlover

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I\'m adding my $0.02 to sigipa\'s post; the new mix PAN is interesting, but I think that it needs a little more testing. Jamboot, I have understood that you have been trying this one for a short amount of time; I\'m sure that you\'ll be wearing PAN in the next days, so you can test and report results from a wider range of days. Moreover, guys who own both PPA and NPA will surely be tempted to have a shot at it, so they can submit their results to the forum too.

Let us know the good and the bad results, I think that really everyone out here is interested.

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Jamboot:

In theory isn\'t this JB-X all over again? I mean the whole ultimate A-none mix. (Not to mention we completely skipped trying PI /NPA but that would get expensive and probably would be the ultimate OD risk).

Now, I see where you\'re going with this and I must admit you make some great claims. Please tell us more about your hits and where you get them, the products and all that stuff. I\'m finding this quite interesting because as everyone knows I\'m a big A-none supporter. Please tell us more about what you\'ve found. It seems that this could be an amazing powerhouse. How much testing are you doing and will you try to mix in some PPC or A-nol to see the reaction?

-The Bat

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llisten guys, you can spend the rest of your lives mixng jbx 1 jb this or jb that or adding copulins and throwing in some pi for w and then mixing in some TE..etc. etc. etc..... BULLSHIT..you guys dont know if your [censored], shot, powderburned or snake bit....
-Jamboot

Cute. You got a way with words. Question, in theory isn\'t PAN JB-X all over again? I mean the whole ultimate A-none mix without the OD threat?

do yourselves a favor and realize these few important facts: npa is one of the best damn prodcuts on this sight...your goal, find the best damn base to put it in.....

Well you got one thing right.

PAN is all that and more..part of NPA\'s notoriety is its high dispersal alcohol rate...since its made to be added to an alcholol based cologne..walla!!

Uh actually NPA is alcohol based so it can be added to anything including oil and glycol bases and is best in anything but alcohol bases. That\'s why JB #1 last so long.

PPA is the perfect base....now,

No it\'s not. You just said PPA\'s base was alcohol so it can\'t be the perfect base.

RM would have been good except that its too none heavy..the extra npa prolly spices it up, but the PPA sits back and gently carries the npa, not overpower it like the rm can, leaving you with your phero\'s hanging out in a few hours as oscar used to say....

Oh you\'re in for a treat. I can tell you this. That\'s not NPA being overpowered by RM, that\'s RM being overpowered by NPA. When the cover scent\'s away NPA comes out to play. It does this in JB# 1 too.

so come on guys, quit [censored] around and get busy

Good stuff in theory but it\'s still an alcohol base. The if you mix JB-X right the mix should be 30% Veggie Glycerine. This will make it stick to your skin better. The alcohol base has no stick to it and will leak off when you sweat. Just like perfume. I bet if you add a 30% veggie glycerine base to your mix it\'ll stick better. This isn\'t a \"magic bullet\" you made a mix that took you from 0 to 60, (JB #1 did it for me) but there is no magic bullet. You\'ll find and quite soon, someone who says \"Hey, this doesn\'t work for me.\" Although mixing two additives is good why don\'t you pour a little of that into some SOE.

-The Bat

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Mr. Bat: i just want to say that it is an honor and a privledge sir to have you in my post, your discovery of JB#1 is legendary, and i consider it an honor to speak to you, thank you for being part of this discussion: now, to answer everyones questions: PPA, the new stuff, smells heavenly, and the 1.5% none per application seems to be just the right dose to get the girls without getting anyone turned off from too much none...its hard to od on ppa and its hard to apply too little..seems amazingly right..i apply it sorta heavy, like a dab on my finger every hour on my neck or face, but thats just turning the bottle over quick on my finger...if you add the npa..be prepared for fireworks, which is why i called this concoction PAN....( Ppa And Npa)....now, JBx is great, dont get me wrong, but the only problem is that the 5 mg of none seems to make an addition of npa dangerously close to od levels...you cnat apply too much without a backlash..however, you can do some seriously applying with ppa and you just seem to go into better and better situations...now, i know that eveyrone out there is like thinking that im being over zealous...okay, have your way...i have tried all of them and i know what works for me...there will always be whiners or nay sayers who say nothign works, you cant win them all...and alot of the guys on this forum are losers, plane and simple adn no amount of mones will ever help them..however, alot of the guys here are kick ass individuals who want to honestly know what works for other people, to those people, i share PAN with you..... some guys on here swear by SOE...it doesnt do a damn thing for me...so eveyrone can have different experiences..so dont freak out..but i know that SOE works for alot of folks so i dont knock it.... anyway, Jambat, i know you are a none believer like me, and as a senior member on this forum, i would probably take your advice on anythign havign to do with mones, so i would appreciate you maybe trying this PAN and lettign us know how it works... but i dont wnat any recognition or anything, hell, im too busy gettng laid to give a [censored] about that, but i seriuosly dont want any of you to knock this [censored] without trying it...please, let me know,...so far, i have had hits that would blow you guys away, but remember ,you got to do a dab on the face every hour as the alcholol stuff evaporates it seems..but it works magic,especially in bars...phil stone knew what he was doing with the ppa, thats for sure ... now, as far as the base of apc being better, yorue prolly right...but the apc doesnt ahve the super clean regeant of ppa, nor does it have anywhere close to the 1.5 of none, which gives you more of a kick, and cheaper base, than the apc..however, i disagree with your assertion that oil is better of npa...you get stronger and faster and more powerful hits with npa in an alcohol base as it was made for cologne, not oils..not to say jb#1 doesnt kick butt, it does, and i would say its almost as good as PAN, but the new PPA scent, with npa...dude, its almost unfair, just my opinion and certainly no disrespect intended to anyone...

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Jamboot, I appreciate your report. You have a right to rave about your success. =)

\"you got to do a dab on the face every hour as the alcholol stuff evaporates it seems..but it works magic,especially in bars...\"

Hmm... So, you need to refresh the PPA? I thought it lasted a long time?

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well, i have a tendency to od on everything i do, so i call evaporation when i cant smell the great colgone smell, but im sure the mones build up on the skin, but with the 1.5 % none, hey, it s very hard to od...i dont know all the details, i just know that the new ppa kicks ass and if you add a small amount of npa...its heaven...you see, the alcohol base of ppa gives it that quick dispersal that makes npa a raging fire, and jbx would be jsut as good except that with the heavy rm, you got just a little too much none in teh pot, with the ppa, youre still pretty safe ...and [censored], it works

[upsidedown]

Jamboot:

&gt;&gt;JBx is great, dont get me wrong, but the only problem is that the 5 mg of none seems to make an addition of npa dangerously close to od levels...you cnat apply too much without a backlash..however, you can do some seriously applying with ppa and you just seem to go into better and better situations&lt;&lt;

Actually, you can OD on anything that has -none in it, even PPA. It all just depends on how much you put on at one time. Yes, RM has a higher concentration of -none than PPA, but all this means is that you shouldn\'t apply as much of the JBX as you would something like JB#1 or PAN.

&gt;&gt;PPA, the new stuff, smells heavenly, and the 1.5% none per application seems to be just the right dose to get the girls without getting anyone turned off from too much none...its hard to od on ppa and its hard to apply too little..seems amazingly right..&lt;&lt;

By the same token, JB#1 is also successful because it has an even smaller concentration of -none than the PPA has. Again, I think OD depends on how much you put on.

In the case of either JB#1 or PAN, the OD risk is going to come from the NPA...not from the PPA or APC.

Now, in your case with PAN, it sounds like you\'re using only an extremely small amount at any given time. If I hear you right, you\'re only putting on a dab or so every hour. If this is the case, then this is indeed a very small dosage of -none at any given time, and there is certainly no risk of OD at these levels.

I don\'t think anybody is knocking your new PAN mix. However, it seems to me that you are criticizing all of us for using anything else except your recent discovery. All that people on here are asking from you is to just give us more details of the dosage you\'ve used, and more importantly, give us some examples of these wonderful hits you are claiming from it. People are willing to consider your mix......but please just don\'t go around talking like everybody else is a dummy if we don\'t just immediately throw out all our other products and just worship at the shrine of \"PAN.\" I think if you ask Bruce, you\'ll probably find that sales of PPA have probably gone up just based on your post.....so I think prople will be giving it a try.

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NO, YOU WILL WORSHIP AT THE FEET OF PAN...CAUSE IT WORKS!!! throw everything out and use PAN cause you will finally get what youve been wanting...a piece of ass!!! now that we got that straight...i can seriously say that nothing has worked as good as pan at a ratio of 5:1....and i will tell you this, the risk of OD at 5 mg of none is one hell of a lot greater than at 1.5% of none like PPA...RM is too spicy and there is somthign in the PPA that isnt as sharp..so the chicks dig it better...jsut me and my incredible success story, dont hate me cause its working!!!

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Hey Jamboot,

I not trying to harsh your mello or anything, but I can\'t resist asking one more time. Can you give us some detail? While I would like nothing better than for you to be 100% right, it would go a long way if you would give us some useful info. I don\'t think anyone is suggesting that it doesn\'t work. We just want to know how it works. Could you describe the details of even one of these hits? Based on what I\'ve read so far, I\'m just thinking of mixing up a batch and snorting it. Yeah baby! Wooooo Hoooooo!

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Hey since you have sorta gotten me intrigued wit your mentons og increddible hits.

How´bout sharing some of these hits with us, give us the whole range of hits from what average all the way to the \"holly cow\" hits.........!!!!!?

Satan

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Sounds to me like he got laid by the Swedish bikini team. Talk about enthusiasm. mercy.

[druid]

You have me intrigued but I still want some more details on the hits. I also would like to see some other members post some successes before I try this mix. I admit that today I was wearing JB-1 at work. This is the second time I have tried it. I did notice some women smiling at me, but the only good looking one was with her man, and the rest were WARPIGS. I am gonna try JB-X this coming TUES at school, and my school is teaming with lots of poon attached to gorgeous girls. I was wearing APC only on yesturday at school and I started a convo. with this good looking puetrorican chick and got her number after about 5 mins of chatting.

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Well, I pitched a few $$ and got myself some PPA as a birthday present to myself. I\'ll be a good litmus test, because I\'ve had no significant hit stories, yet, from any product. If anything, I deserve a <font color=blue>\"holy cow!\"</font color=blue> hit right about now...

[SwingerMD]

Jamboot,

Easy there man! Calm down and just tell us the facts. It\'s great to be enthusiastic about your sucess, but dude . . . you sound like a raving lunatic. Anyhow I remember when Upsidedown was raving about the massive hits that he and his friend were getting from APC. Sounded too hard to believe, but I, Nimbus and a few other members tried it out for a while and it did work. Since PPA is between the heavy hitters and APC, your idea does have merit. Just be patient, give us detailed hit reports, and I\'m sure a bunch of us would get around to testing it.

I do have some questions. Did Stone just change the amount of -none in PPA (I know they changed the fragerance). If not shouldn\'t there be forum members out there that had hits with PPA before? Anyone wanna speak up?

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I like you Jamboot. Loud, crass, obnoxious. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif You\'re like me on speed. When I get some more cash I will try PAN but I plan on using PPA(w). Why? PPA(w) has cops in it and I\'ve been wanting to see what this cops things all about. I want to be clear though, you\'re using men\'s PPA correct? Because if you\'re using PPA(w) then the cops in there could be bringing a whole new level to the mix and that\'s why women are trying to drag you off and sexually assualt you by the droves.

-The Bat

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Jambat, what would the purpose of wearing a womens formula be when your a guy (and me as well, so thats why Im curious). Is it some kind of mood affector or whatnot?

Myke

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Surely this new miracle mix wouldnt work for the younger guys of the forum??

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okay guys, this is some of the hits i have gotten with PAN, but let me also say that i have gotten hits off apc alone, and also mega hits with JB#1, also with PI for men...now, as Jambat can tesify, when you add NPA to anything, it begins to work some kind of magic...i used to notice that when i would mix NPA with jovan musk for instance that i would get like crazy, insistent hits that were intense as hell...i figured out that it was teh alcohol dispersing the mones off my skin rather quickly, as the oils would disperse slower,..so the only thing bout PAN is you have to reapply a dab or two every hour or so for maximum carnage... now, as far as hits go, lets just say 1. the new ppa attracts women very very nicely, that 1.5% of none is magic 2. add npa to that mix and that scent and its like becoming a kid in a candy store...example: i was in a club wearing this and women gravitated to me , lots of smiles, approaches to dance, women congregating round me, women talking to me, and staring at me like i was a rock star...now, i ended up dancing with this pretty young vClemson studnt the first night i wore PAN and got her number...called her the next day and we got together at this pace called The Pancake PLatter on west end...as i walked into the pancake platter with her, women in that place all stared and looked at me and made massive eye contact, this girl whom i had just met reached out and held my hand...like we were goingsteady or somthing...needless to say, PAN came in handy...i got incredible attention the rest of the day and got laid like a banchee that night....the whole time shewas on top of me, she kept tellign me how good i smelled...i had the PAN beside the bed in my pants pocket and when she went togo to the bathroom i reapplied some more...she came back and rode me till dawn...the moral of the story is: i am one happy sob....hpe this answers some of your curiosity guys!

[xxxPantero]

That\'s so awesome for you!

But, when you say \"as i walked into the pancake platter with her, women in that place all stared and looked at me and made massive eye contact\" was that when you were within smelling distance, or no? If it was further than smelling distance, you must be one handsome guy.

[upsidedown]

SwingerMD wrote: \"Anyhow I remember when Upsidedown was raving about the massive hits that he and his friend were getting from APC.\"

Hmm, well actually that wasn\'t me who was raving about the APC....it was somebody else. But, hey, thanks for mentioning my name! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Jamboot, that certainly is a hit story from your PAN. In my experiences however, I have come to find that sometimes we just get lucky...we\'re in the right place at the right time. So, if I get a good reaction from a particular product, I like to duplicate the success with the product over many wearings and around different people. It could be that whatever hit I got with one mix could have also happened with any of a dozen other mixes or products with this particular woman at that particular time. So, no doubt the PAN you were wearing was largely responsible for your success in the hit story. Since we all believe in the power of pheromones, I believe they were a major factor in your story. The problem with field testing our mixes is that in the story you related, it\'s entirely possible that any one of a number of other mixes might have gotten the same response. So, to talk like PAN is THE only real mix and everything else is now obsolete is a bit extreme if you have only one good experience with PAN. Don\'t get me wrong, I\'m not knocking your mix because I too believe the Stone Labs products are the best on the market...as I\'m a big fan of AE. And, I also believe that NPA is also a great product causing anything it touches to become golden. So, the point I\'m just getting at is the results you got with PAN need to be continually tested and verified over time rather than just on one good encounter.

BTW, if indeed the lower concentration of -none in PPA is better than the higher concentration of RM, then it might stand to reason that AE might work better mixed with NPA as well. AE has a 2% concentration, which is only slightly higher than the 1.5% of PPA. That\'s pretty close, but it also contains some -nol and -rone. I tried mixing the old fragrance of AE and NPA at an 8:2 ratio, but didn\'t like my result. However, I suspect that the new fragrance of AE may be the same as the new fragrance of PPA. So, I wonder now if mixing the new AE with NPA might produce a more appealing scent to the women, and provide better results with it\'s lower -none concentration as well.

Actually, I\'m awaiting my first shipment of A1. I will no doubt try out this PAN combo to your specs. But, I think I\'m also going to try some A1 in just about every other combo I experiment with as well to see if it improves on already good mixes.

[Bruce]

I just ordered a shipment of all the \"new\" versions of Stone Lab products.
PPA/men (new fragrance)
PPA/women (new fragrance)
Alter Ego/men (new fragrance)

The Alter Ego for women we have is the only version as it is a new product.

The shipment is scheduled to go out after labor day, so it should reach us by Friday. As soon as we have that in hand, we will sell the new versions as the main product offering for each type and keep the old bottles for regulars who miss the \"old stuff\". (always happens).

Bruce

[CptKipling]

Wow, this came from nowhere!

Jamboot, calm down, if its a good mix, tell us (ok you did), but dont knock the testing everyone else is doing.

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llisten guys, you can spend the rest of your lives mixng jbx 1 jb this or jb that or adding copulins and throwing in some pi for w and then mixing in some TE..etc. etc. etc..... BULLSHIT..you guys dont know if your [censored], shot, powderburned or snake bit.... do yourselves a favor and realize these few important facts: npa is one of the best damn prodcuts on this sight...your goal, find the best damn base to put it in.....PAN is all that and more..part of NPA\'s notoriety is its high dispersal alcohol rate...since its made to be added to an alcholol based cologne..walla!! PPA is the perfect base....now, RM would have been good except that its too none heavy..the extra npa prolly spices it up, but the PPA sits back and gently carries the npa, not overpower it like the rm can, leaving you with your phero\'s hanging out in a few hours as oscar used to say....so come on guys, quit [censored] around and get busy

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I dont appriciate that. Maybe its just the way I read it, but it seems that you are being overly aggressive, and protective of your \"magic bullet\".

THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET

How many times must it be mentioned, a mixes success depends on an individual; their personal chemistry, build, attitude, inside leg measurment, cock size, mother\'s maiden name etc.

Ok so you might have found a good mix, maybe even a REALLY good mix, but dont discount the testing done by others.

People have been saying for a while that less is more, and this was one of the inherant problems with JBX. You cant apply enough over a wide enough area to achieve proper dispersal. Like Jambat said, diluting with veg glycerine will be good, not only to make it stick better, but also to allow for better dispersal. Another way to do this is to use use TE (alcohol base) in the correct proportions.

Cops are definately showing promise, but I would like to see another formula, one without the cheese! We are on the very tip of the iceberg with cops, but the theories are all there.

Keep up the good work Jamboot.

[CptKipling]

Oh and yes, it probably will work for younger users, JBX was good for me, so why not?

Maybe with SOE or AE...

[marv14yag]

All I USE IS NONE...JVK has good points, but none is the only one to do with S E XXXXXX...Not becoming FRIENDS with the girl.

I think this is working, you guys, because ppa has 3 bases, at least, the old one...

I haven\'t tried the NPA and PPA, but I have tried JUST PPA, and gotten REALLY good results.

Here\'s the thing though, Jamboot. If you have ppa, and you pretty much are just putting in none really. I think it disperses the SAME as the PPA, but would last longer? I don\'t know...STill, I have used NONE as HIGH as the chem set none BY ITSELF! Trust me...Lol, I\'m
STICKING
WITH
PPA...
I\'m not doing no PAN...I think 0.015% is the best you can get...More, and, you have hit od..I mean, sure, ppa is probably the BEST base out there, but
W
H
Y
Add more none than you need?
You feel anxst...Oh my god, ppa works so good! And it\'s a good base! Let\'s LOAD IT UP FULL OF NONE! lol

AndrosteNONE, is the ONLY thing I have used so far, and out of ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the products, I think 0.015% percent is the best, I\'ve tried apc..I\'ve tried none from the kit...I\'ve tried ppa, and 0.015% is by far the best. And also, you can\'t forget the 3 bases deal...What other product has the kind of dispersion?

Anyway, I\'m saying, I support none 100% NEVER WILL I EVER USE RONE OR NOL...AND, PPA IS A GOOD BASE, BUT I wouldn\'t really advise you people to put MORE NONE IN THERE! Just becuase there\'s a good base DOESN\'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO LOAD IT UP with none! lol

And, Jambatt........I bet you, that, if you calculated it..Would JB#1 have the 0.015%? Or, is it more, or less? And, I guess ppa WOULD be a better base than apc, but, still...No need for EXTRA none...

Bart

[CptKipling]

I\'m really interested in the three bases thing.

Marv, what non -none product/combos have you tried?

[marv14yag]

PPA, the new stuff has alcohol in it...And, Bruce..If you\'re reading anyway...Don\'t stop selling the old stuff, I mean, I might want to try the new stuff, but as long as the new stuff has alochol in it, that doesn\'t WORK for me! I can\'t apply every often, and, out of ALL the bases, glycerol makes it STICK to your skin...And, this could be explained just as how it BINDS with water in the blood and holds it in..The new POWERADE..You know what the secret ingredient is folks? Yep, it\'s GLYCEROL...lol....Take enough of it, and you\'ll have your veins popping out....If you go to bodybuilding.com, they sell it REAL cheap...I bet you guys could go buy some, and try using it in phero mixes, lol....

Anyway....
None, all I care about is none.. And the new stuff has alcohol in it..So, sure, people SMELL you, but the effect is the same whether it\'s alchol or glycerol, if you have 0.015%, and you have like 3 bases, it all just depends on how long it lasts.....

Jamboot, go buy the old stuff, and see how that works...

Oh, and, the more you put on, the more to COME OFF! Ie..It\'s like, putting a drop on the counter, and it will stay there awhile...Putting a puddle on the table....It will evaporate at about the SAME time...Why? There\'s MORE THERE TO EVAPORATE! You just SCREW YOURSELF OVER WITH WASTING $$$ BY PUTTING THAT MUCH ON!

Bart

[qrius]

feeling abit moron to ask, but exactly what is this 0,0015%-thingy everyone is talking about? is it the -none content in ppa or something?

please don\'t make fun of me because i\'m just a stupid newbie /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

and jamboot:i\'m very much fascinated by your mix, it sounds good. i wish i had seen these posts abit sooner, since i just made an order of RM, NPA and SoE...but how old are you? i\'m 17, think i\'m too young to get (good)results from PAN?

[marv14yag]

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[camusflage]

So how long til you get the new stuff up on your web page, or at least prices so those of us doing the forum club thing can order?

Thanks for picking the stuff up so quickly, Bruce. Based on the initial report of the PPA/m scent, I almost picked it up, but I figured you\'d get it sooner than later--I just didn\'t think it would be this soon though.

[CptKipling]

If you have not actually tried non -none products, how do you know what they will do for your pulling power?

I find that with something like AE, my g/f gets soooooo horny, really fast. Wearing cops aswell, makes the whole thing go smoothly.

[franki]

Please don´t use such LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG words, because the posts get very width. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

That is very annoying.

[upsidedown]

All this talk about PPA got me to doing some research on the product. It appears that the men’s version contains .015 mg/ml of –none, while the women’s version contains .015 mg/ml of –nol plus .005 mg/ml of cops.

Now, this got me thinking. Does anybody know if the men and women’s products have the same fragrance? If they do, it seems that you could buy the two products and mix them together to get a more diluted version of AE except with cops replacing the –rone. And, there appears to be some evidence that cops do enhance a mix when worn by men. Assuming you mixed the two PPA versions equally, you’d have a –none content of .0075 mg/ml instead of .015, which means you’d have to put on twice as much of it to get the same kick, but you’d also be able to spread the application around your body in a lot of dispersal points. And, IF the new fragrance of PPA is as popular with the ladies as Jamboot says, then it might not be a bad thing to put on twice the product. This would be a good way to really strengthen the fragrance without having to OD on the –none. Since the cover scent theoretically contributes to the effectiveness of the mix by getting them to inhale deeper to get a whiff of you, thus bringing the pheromones along with it, then this might be a good thing.

I’m not sure I’m going to try it because I’ve spent too much money lately, and am really going to be experimenting with A1 for a while, but I thought I’d pass this thought about mixing the men’s and women’s versions of PPA along to see what anybody thinks about it.

[franki]

That is an interesting idea upsidedown. Do the men´s and women´s version really have the same fragrance?

[upsidedown]

If they don\'t have the same fragrance, then my whole theory is shot.

I guess it will be up to someone like Bruce who has access to both products to give us that answer. Or, perhaps one of these people on here who has contacts at Stone Labs might want to inquire for all of us.

[upsidedown]

CptKipling

I\'ve been trying to decide just how much AE I need to wear for maximum effect. So, how much AE do you put on to ger your girlfriend so worked up?

[franki]

It would seem to me that if you use PPA, you only want to use a-none. When you want Stone Labs´ A-none in combination with a-nol you can get AE. BUT like you mentioned AE is not cheap. Another reason for avoiding AE is maybe the a-rone in it, because some people reported bad experiences with it.

[upsidedown]

I ran the numbers on a PPA mix compared to AE. It\'s actually something like 25 to 33% less expensive to use the PPA mix, using the same amount of -none per application, than it is to go with the AE. I supoose the -rone in the AE accounts for the additional cost.

But, for those who don\'t like the -rone in AE, perhaps this PPA mix is an alternative......assuming you don\'t mind having cops in the mix.

[CptKipling]

I think the amount of AE that I decided on was 4/5 on forearms, then 2 drops rubbed into neck. Its quite a lot, and I have been trying with only 3 drops on forearms, but I\'m thinking the optimal dosage is 4 drops, + 1 or two on the neck/chin. I like to cover AE with SOE, but not all of my testing is with SOE. I did have a dab of my modified JBX on my chin all the time though.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

\"Jambat, what would the purpose of wearing a womens formula be when your a guy (and me as well, so thats why Im curious). Is it some kind of mood affector or whatnot?\"
-Mykra

There\'s a theory going around that COPS helps adds something that makes women glum on to you that much more. I\'m willing to try PAN but rather than making another all A-none mix I\'d prefer to try something new. I\'ve got three all none mixes under my belt so I want to see what this COPS thing is all about.

-The Bat

[druid]

OK I am really intrigued with this pan mix. I just want the answers to these couple of questions.
1)This mix is somewhere between APC and RM with respect to its NONE content, correct?
2)Should I go with the new version of PPA or the old?
3)It is PPA for men correct?

The one phero I have had measurable success with is APC.

[SwingerMD]

Oops,

It actually was Rolltide. BTW has anyone seen him on the boards lately?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, since the coconut scent of PPA fades pretty fast, it may not matter which scent you get.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, so far, the two products with scents that last a long time are SPMO and SOE. AE and PPA scent fades very fast. I don\'t know about RM and APC yet.

[marv14yag]

Yes, but, listen, it\'s the PHEROS you should be WORRIED about...And, the smell fades but there\'s still ENOUGH for you not to smell the none...

The new stuff has the alcohol in it, the old stuff doens\'t have alcohol, just depends, I mean, I like it to STAY...Not, have to reapply the pheros.

You know the difference right? Alchol is stronger at first, but fades quick...Oil for example, is just lasts a long time....You know.

Bart

[upsidedown]

Why do you all say that the base of the new product is different from the old product? What are you basing this on?

As far as I can tell from researching this product, the new fragrance is in exactly the same base as the old product, just a different scent.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

hi druid,

1) yes, being NPA 0.48 mg/ml none, and PPA 0.15 mg/ml none, and being the mix PPA + NPA @ 5:1, we end up with 0.205 mg/ml of none. Note that I\'m one of the few supporters of NPA\'s \"0.48 none + 0.02 secret ingredients\" theory.

2) As far as I have understood, the new one should have this killer male fragrance that jamboot loves, but marv14yag swears that the old one has a much better dispersal. I really didn\'t have understood much about this one, so let\'s hope that jamboot and marv decide to give us more details about old vs. new /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

3) yes. Recently Jambat noted that it might be an idea to use PPA/w because of the added effect of copuline, but the original PAN uses PPA/m.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, I put a drop of Jambat #1 on this morning and had to shower six hours later. The scent was still quite strong before the shower, and I can still smell it after the shower.

The scent of PPA (coconut) version disappeared fast after a few hours. I assume the new PPA may disappear even faster if it contains more alcohol.

Since I don\'t like reapplying during the day, I think I\'ll try Jambat this week. Marv and Jamboot, both of you also tried Jambat with success, right? Maybe, you just need to put more Jambat on for the same dispersal as PPA with NPA.