PLEASE HELP! Thinking of trying pheromones...

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Ok, i\'ve read a lot of the posts on here and have come to the conclusion that pheromones are probably not a scam, otherwise there wouldn\'t be so many people caring about % concetrations of mixtures, and they might be able to help me.

Now, i\'m 17 and about to start my senior year of high school, and to put it nicely, my luck with women sucks (and not in the literal sense). I think i\'m marked off as the nice guy who all the girls have no problems talking to but no one wants to get with. I\'m not disfigured or ugly, but i\'m not buff or built either.

I want a pheromone that doesn\'t have any noticable odors, doesn\'t need to be mixed with a cologne, etc (I don\'t normally wear cologne or anything else due to schooling situtation/rules, so I can\'t have anyone noticing anything different about odor) is inexpensive, but WORKS well that I can see results with. I\'d also prefer it if I could apply it to my clothing so that it can last a long time. Now, my question for all of you, is what pheremone do you think I should try, and what\'s the link to it? Also, what kind of results should I be expecting?

Also, on another note, have any of you used the \"money-back guarntee\" and does it really work that way?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

first see the cookbook, and then post any specific questions that you might have

BTW use pheros responsibly, dont go sleeping around, this is not coming from some 40 year old guy, but im 16

http://www.love-scent.com/reference/cookbook.html (www.love-scent.com/reference/cookbook.html)

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haha...well said. Ah 17...i think i tried repressing those memories. Goodluck with the ladies and i mean that.

[MAJORSOB]

Hi ..first of all I hope your level of self esteem is far greater in real life then it is on this forum...if YOU think of yourself as a loserboy what do you expect others to see in you?..so no matter how many pheros you use chances are they will not get you where you\'d like to be..have some self worth it goes further with everyone if you behave in a confident manner and think positive..secondly if i were you and could not use a phero with any type of smell to it..i guess my suggestion to you would be to use PI/W..thats Primal instinct for women...i know it says women but guys use it too..i use it myself with good results..it makes people more friendly and talkative..you could try the edge unscented but thats high in -none and no matter what it may say it does smell...but for young people they seem to get good results with scent of eros..but just so you know it has a scent to it..why not pick up a few packs of the soe gel to try out first see if it works for you its cheaper too...and yes the money back is good on this site. Well just remember a good outlook on life and self confidence goes a long way! Good Luck.

[oscar]

Mjr. SOB,

I think I would direct the guy to AFA.
http://www.love-scent.com/stone-lab/index.html (\"http://www.love-scent.com/stone-lab/index.html\")
The confidence, esteem thing and all that, ...don\'t know that I\'d want to be wearing Copulins at even low (?) levels at his age.

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[SwingerMD]

Welcome to the forum! I completly agree with the Major on that a low self esteem is a huge detriment to dating and something that pheros alone cannot fix. To get drastic results you are gonna have to bite the bullet and work on fixing that \"Mr. Nice Guy\" attitude.

Think of pheros as a multiplyer for your base skills in dating and physique. If your dating skills and physique score a zero, with pheros you still will get a zero.

As for something unscented a lot of the most effective products out there are either scented or need to be covered with a cover scent. Now my recomendation for you would be SOE, but since you don\'t want anything scented you should then purchase the chem set -nol and -rone and mix them to get unscented SOE. I don\'t recomend this since you are just starting and the chem set stuff ain\'t cheap.

[Watcher]

Oh this is when i started 5 years ago ok attraction (unscented should work)

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The name is just a random one that no one I know would ever connect with me. My name has absolutely no reflection on my self-esteem. I think i\'m great and have a lot of self-confidence, it\'s just that history is against me in terms of relationships. I just think that girls that I know or meet have some problems going after total jerks instead of me. That\'s the only thing that\'s bad.

I read the cookbook, and i\'m wondering how noticable the \"none\" smell is when applied (the actual smell, not the undetectable one)? Can people smell it from two feet away, ten feet, or do they need to be close? Also, is that affected by whether or not you wear it on your skin or on your clothes, because I was thinking of putting it on my clothing so it would last longer...but does that hurt the effectiveness of the pheromone and/or does it decrease the negative body odor smell (the main thing with the body odor smell is I don\'t need teachers telling me to take a shower when I already did)? Also, I noticed \"Attraction\" has low concentrations of -none and -nol, so i\'m wondering how effective that is and how noticable the -none smell would be from that? If \"Attraction\" isn\'t effective, what would you all suggest, and what are the pro\'s and cons of it?

[DrSmellThis]

AFA is the only one that fits, from what you said.

Listen to Oscar.

[marv14yag]

Theseus, I didn\'t know you were 16!

Bart

[marv14yag]

Loserdude, here\'s how you get chicks in high school, I\'m almost 17.

#1, get a good cologne, (coolwaters is the BEST.)

#2, get expensive clothes, this means polo shirts and a pair of 150$ Nikes. (Girls like you in good clothes, not what car you drive, or how fast it goes dipsh***.

#3, You need to be more of a jerk, that doesn\'t mean you can\'t still be nice, but rather, you need to be more in control, when a girl says no, you should know that that doesn\'t NECCESSARILY mean no, and that, she is rather trying to fiend off the unworthy.

#4, The pheros just get you noticed over other guys, but think of it, you could be percieved as alpha male, but not liked by the girls if you don\'t dress right, and talk & act right.

#5, you DEFINATELY, need to lift weights. And, I would reccomend 25mg of dhea every day, along with about an hour a day of weight training. Also, you may want to exercise the pycocogeus muscle (PC) muscle. Girls ALWAYS like a bigger man, if you know what I mean.
And, I have heard a LOT of stories of REAL ugly dudes getting girls. You know why the guys who are talking to the girls get the girls, while, you are sitting back, going, what does THIS guy have that I don\'t?.....It\'s BECAUSE they aren\'t sitting back..Saying, what does this guy have that I don\'tk, instead, he\'s over there doing kino with the girl and seducing her.

I GAURANTEE if you do ALL what I said, you will get laid, gauranteed, and go to that, fastseduction.com site, a LOT of good stuff...And don\'t ask her if she has a boyfriend, if she says she does, be like, yeah, so, anyway.

Bart

(These are one of those posts that...Damn, I don\'t know HOW I think up the stuff I do, I REALLY don\'t.

[sabSpeaks]

Loserdude123:
Reading your first post, there is something that needs to be addressed immediately.
\"my luck with women sucks\"
Women are not about luck. Believe me, there is no chance involved. That is the worst attitude you can possibly have.

I\'ll be posting up the Unstoppable Confidence audio speeches by Ross Jeffries, that might help you and some others.

Greg

[marv14yag]

Bump.

[upsidedown]

I agree with Oscar. AFA might be the way to go for you. I\'ve only begun experimenting with it...but it has no noticeable oder that I can detect, escpecially at lower dosages. And I\'m one of those guys who can smell -none but don\'t smell AFA on my skin after a brief time. Stone Labs is great with clean smelling -none...and their stuff really works well. In your case, you wouldn\'t need to use very much of it....maybe just a drop or a couple of dabs at at time.

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Looks like AFA is the way to go.
1. Anyone have any success with it?
2. Any downsides to it?
3. What\'s the -none and -nol concentrations of it? (couldnt find it on cookbook).
4. Can it be applied effectively to clothing?
5. Money-back guarntee applies to it?
6. Anyone disagree with AFA?
7. Should I order it from the Stone Labs website?

Thanks for the advice Bart. I\'ll probably take it and pay more attention to what I do, except for #1 and #2, since going to a catholic school precludes anything out of uniform. Been working out, going to do #3 and pay more attention to #4.

No, my LUCK with women DOES suck. The ones that I like that I end up getting with, end up to be total psychos (physical attacks, screaming, yelling, lying to everyone they can). Hoping with pheromones it will at least help me get with the ones that I like that ARENT psychos.

[upsidedown]

Loserdude123

I\'d be interested in seeing if anybody on here comes up with any reasons not to try AFA. I haven\'t seen any downsides to it yet...but I really haven\'t worked with it as much as I have the other products yet either.

As far as the phero content, all the web sites say that it\'s 0.20 mg/ml of -none and 0.20 mg/ml of -nol.

It\'s a decent amount of pheros. And, in this case you\'ll get an even balance of the two main pheromones. At your age I\'d just take it easy on the application until you see your reactions...and you can always up the dosage a little at a time until you determine you\'re getting something in terms of results.

I have mostly been working with AE as my main product, which is another Stone Labs product. I would recommend AE to you as well because it has -none, -nol, and -rone. However, it is not as scentless as AFA...as it does have an ever so slight sort of subtle scent. However, I\'ve found that after maybe 15 minutes or so, it has no discernable scent to speak of either. So, I\'ve gotten away with using it in places where I didn\'t want a strong scent either.

As far as where to purchase it, I would suggest you get it from this Love-Scent site. Since Bruce is kind enough to host this forum....I think it\'s best to give him our business on any products that he carries.

Also, Bruce is good about throwing in little freebies on his orders...and as of this writing, the main page of the Love-Scent site says that if you order something from him today he\'ll throw in a free SoE gel pack. I know just about everybody would recommend that you try the SoE because it just gets awesome results.....so this would get you a little exposure to trying out the SoE as well and seeing how it works for you without any risk.

[DrSmellThis]

you could use AE in your pits, and tell \'em it\'s deodorant.

[marv14yag]

You\'re welcome, good luck.

Bart

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*bump*
Well, i\'m about to order AFA now from Bruce (so it\'ll get shipped tomorrow), just a few questions now for when I get it:

1. What are the pros and cons of applying it to clothing, and do you think it\'s a good idea?
2. How much should I apply, and what should I use to apply it with? (since it comes in an open mouth container)
3. Any negative effects of wearing it (skin cancer, warts, leprosy, acid burns, etc :-)), and are there times I should be careful wearing it?

[upsidedown]

Loserdude123

I hope we\'ve helped, and I hope you\'re happy with the AFA. Remember that we\'re all just making suggestions on your criteria of wanting something scentless. All we can do is give you our best ideas based on our experiences, but there are never any guarantees of how each product will work best for you, you just have to be willing to do some experimenting at first until you find what\'s the best dosages for you. Technically AFA is supposed to be a pheromone addititve for you to add to another scented cologne of your own choosing.....but I must say that I have worn it straight because it doesn\'t have much of a scent. If you\'e ever willing to take a shot at a scented product, we\'ll be willing to suggest other nice products that have gotten results. I would also suggest that you try the AFA by itself a few times, and then you could try a small amount of the AFA with the SoE gel pack you\'ll probably be getting with your order, and see if you notice a difference there as well. But, I\'ll caution you before you open the SoE gel pack that it does have a pretty strong scent....not exactly what you wanted...but pick a time and place anyway where you can give it a go, and try it out. I think you\'ll be pleased with the results. Also, you might put on the SoE about half an hour to an hour before going wherever as the strong scent will fade quite a bit by then.

As far as the pros and cons of applying to skin vs. clothing....it\'s my understanding that the pheromones linger longer on clothing. I\'ve only tried it a couple of times...but can\'t tell that it makes a difference. It\'s possible that your skin can cause the pheromones to change based on your individual chemistry and bacteria. I would suggest that you just try it both ways.

As far as how much to apply, and how you apply it: Well, I think AFA comes with a dropper bottle. So, you can just put a drop on your finger and then dab it wherever you want. I would start with no more than one drop on the finger and apply it either on your neck, behind the ears, or on your arms/wrists. If you see no results, you could up it to 2 drops and see if there are any reactions then. It will just be up to you to try different dosages and see if there are any differences in reactions. I don\'t think you should ever have to go over 3 or 4 drops...and at your age these might even be OD\'s where you will scare the younger girls off. But, you\'ll just have to do your own experimenting.

I can\'t say just how it will effect yor skin. I haven\'t heard of any problems....but who knows for sure. Ceertainly it won\'t cause warts or leoprasy...and doesn\'t burn. If you\'re unsure though, then you can just stick with the clothing, although on clothing it\'s harder to spread out the pheromones over a larger area because the fabric soaks it up. I think AFA is OK for fabric without staining it...but I\'d try a bit on an old garment, or in an inconspicuous place first.

You\'ll have to be the judge on where to wear it....depending on the kinds of results you end up getting.

I would be interested to see if any of the more experienced users on here give you additional, or different responses than I\'ve given.

Good Luck and I hope things work out for you.

[SwingerMD]

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Also, you might put on the SoE about half an hour to an hour before going wherever as the strong scent will fade quite a bit by then.

The sent does fade after that time, but I have found that I get my most strongest rxn from SOE in the first hour of application.

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Thanks for all of your help. Post any more comments on your opinions, and i\'ll tell you how it goes...

[upsidedown]

&gt;&gt;The sent does fade after that time, but I have found that I get my most strongest rxn from SOE in the first hour of application.

Yes, now that you mention it, you\'re right about that. In fact, I find that I often take a pack with me, or my roller bottle version of SoE, and will often apply some fresh SoE when I arrive where I\'m going...or even when I spot a target that interests me. I was just thinking in terms of his wanting something scentless. However, it\'s likely that he\'s not going to be wearing to school anyway...where the scented products aren\'t permissible. So, if he\'s going to wear it, it will likely be in some other social setting where it won\'t be such a problem wearing a scent. So, Loserdude123, you might try it fresh someplace where you\'ll be out of school, but around lots of hot women.

Yes, SwingerMD, you know I had my strongest reaction ever about 2 minutes after applying some fresh SoE. I was in the Rio Casino in Las Vegas. I put on some fresh SoE just before entering the casino floor, and when I went in I just stopped and looked around to take the whole place in. Immedaitely when I stopped, an elderly...like late 50\'s....oriental woman, who appeared to be one of the cleaning crew...just appeared out of nowhere all smiles and said \"how are you?\" Just tried talking to me and asking if I was OK and all. The way she said it and smiled and all at me...it was the strangest thing I\'ve experienced yet with pheromones. It\'s hard for me to describe her actions in text like this....you just had to be there. But, she was just so unnaturally friendly in greeting me it was as if I was one of the Beatles or something, and she was a young teenybopper who was beside herself in seeing some sort of celebrity. Anyway, that\'s a long way of saying that I agree with you on the better effects of SoE when it\'s newly applied rather than waiting a while.

[SwingerMD]

Good suggestion upsidedown. Another suggestion in terms of scent, gel packs a bit less stinky than the SOE roll top and it fades much quicker too. The packs also have about 2x the normal recomended dose of SOE.

[upsidedown]

Hey Loserdude123,

A couple of other thoughts on the SoE gel pack. Since you\'ll only be getting one pack....I thought I\'d just point out to you that there is enough gel in there for 2 applications. So, you don\'t need to put it all on at once, but you should be able to get two applications out of it. What I do with the gel packs is attach a paper clip to it. Then, after I open it and apply half the pack, I fold over the pack and apply the paper clip to it. This keeps it from oozing out in my pocket after it\'s been opened. Then, you can save it for another application at a later time.

I had one other idea you could try for school. But, if you normally use a hair gel, then you can probably get away with putting some drops of other products in with it. Even if you try the AFA, the scent of the hair gel would normally overpower any pheromone scent. I regularly use the Super Primal Musk Oil (SPMO) in my hair gel. On its own, it\'s powerful smelling stuff, but somehow in my hair gel the scent seems to pretty much vanish. So, you might also consder getting the SPMO some day....it\'s only like $8.00 or so, and it\'s stricly a -nol product which would be good for your age group. Also, if you get something powerful, but scented like that, and put it in your hair gel, then you can probably get away with it in school. I mean, are they going to get on you if you happen to have a scented hair gel? I don\'t know...you\'d have to determine that. But, it\'s just a suggestion for another option for you to consider.

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Man, your school is strict, I also go to a Catholic high school (Jesuit) and we have no such rule. What kind of uniform do you have to wear, because we have a pretty relaxed dress code (long khaki pants and a shirt with the school\'s logo) its pretty comfortable.

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Whats so hard to believe about that, how did I give you the impression that I was older?

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Golf shirt or long sleeved oxford shirt, sorta dressy pants, ties in the winter, certain shoes, certain earrings, nothing else. No cologne, no certain hairstyles, very little jewelry, etc. It\'s really bad.

[SwingerMD]

Ouch! That is very strict. BTW what do you mean by \"no certain hairstyles\". If you can use gel, then I recommend that you take upsidedown\'s suggestion and mix pheros in your gel.

Another suggestion that I have is that you mix some of the scented pheros into unscented lotion. It will cut the smell, you will spread it over your body, lot of scented lotions out there, and plus it will promote circulation which will inturn heat up your skin, thus it will release the pheros faster.

Then again since your school it strict and you are just starting with pheros, I would suggest that you experiment outside of school first.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Try Curel unscented, I get dsry skin easily, and the stuff really helps, plus it gets absorbed into the skin quickly, since the pheros will be over a larger area, you can probobly sneak in a little more without OD\'ing