What's the deal with copulins?? THE COPULIN TOPIC!

[MaxiMog]

Lately, the use of those \"female pheromones\" called copulins has been mentioned in a lot of topics, even though the majority on this board are men. Some use them with a lot of success, some with little. A main conclusion is that although copulins are meant to be for women to attract men, men themselves can use it with possible success.

What I would like to know is what are the best mixes containing copulins? The copulins HAVE to do something. An old \"mix\" now containing copulins should work better WITH them than without them.

They seem to be a valuable asset to the realm of pheromones, even for men. I\'m actually just asking this question as topics about copulins have increased SO much, even to such a degree, that it\'s rather hard to know all of it. It\'s also spread in topics that are not really about them.

So make this the Copulin board: success stories, usage tips, main information, new Mixes... Everything about copulins you have to get of your heart, please post it here (too).

Thanks!!!!!!

[Watcher]

Good idea maxi. It has taken off since ive decided to start pushing it during that last week whitehall came up with the theroy that naturally women \"bond\" emotionally with each other through thier own pheromones and also that when they have sex they produce more couplins found in vaginal fluid (although it has many 100s of compounds) as with pheromones one has been isolated - couplins and if worn by men in small amounts sends the have had sex with women signal that is they have been marked by a woman and this will therefore signal other women to think that the male is a good choice of sex partner and women tend to stick to each other through these smell also. So the next extension for men is if they want women to stick to them and compete for them add a small amount of have had sex with women pheromone mixed in with the androgens that we produce none nol and rone - we can draw them in and not have them run away like they do. Just an extension of pheromone logic and it can be at least try it out - and unlike nol some of us get a little annoyed at having just gay guys trying to crack on to us. Not homophobic just would prefer women only. Couplins are female therefore should drive these ones away and get women in - ok going round in circles but its a start and anyone who has success thoughts etc should post here.

[Whitehall]

The copulin theories are just getting formulated and field testing is underway by a number of board members. We are certainly NOT sure about how they work, what they do, or how to best use them.

What we THINK we know is the following:

1) I am pretty sure based on my own experiments that they can enhance sexual passion during sex, especially with an older woman, say over 35, Both the man and the woman feel it.

2) There are some reports that adding some copulins to a \'none mix might quicken and deepen the intimacy of a hit as in a pickup at a bar meeting a new woman. We hope this is a strong effect.

3) We\'re certain that a guy wearing copulins can stimulate jealousy in a woman who thinks he\'s mongamous with her. Copulins are basically essense of natural vaginal lubricant anyway so show up for a date wearing copulins with your fiancee or wife at your own risk.

4) We think that copulins can make women feel competitive (see #3 above) even if they\'ve just met you. By emitting the aroma of sex, you\'re implying that you\'ve just had sex. That serves as a \"social validation\" of your desirabilty - bonking you is fashionable! An imaginary woman has offered herself to you so you must be worthwhile.

5) We do SOOOO hope that the smell of copulins will act like smell-o-vision pornography for women. Like visual pornography for men, the smell of sex should make women horny and aroused. Hopefully, this would make them wilder and more sexual fun (see #1 above)

6) A dab of PCC under a male\'s nose can also be sexually stimulating for the male. Oscar and I have tried this and it does work although I get headaches. I\'d prefer to apply via #1 above.

See the thread \"The Orgy Theory of Copulins\" for more.

[Watcher]

Like androgens in men they affect both other males and females ie the aggression or laughter displayed by males under the effect of none and nol respectivley so im so hoping like whitehall that his theroies are at least correct in some ways. Just as long as they have an effect on other ladies then im quite happy combine with none nol rone and a1 and we got something interesting now just need to work out what the correct ratios are. ?? A bit advanced but im sure something will come of all this talk and investigation.
Now any guys out there with coups please post youre thoughts so we can get something going.

[MaxiMog]

bump

[Irish]

Don\'t know what\'s in the commercial copulins we buy, but I read a report that exposed men to natural copulins collected from different points in the female cycle. Copulins taken at the time of ovulation caused a significant rise in saliva testosterone levels in the men who were exposed. No changes in T were noted when the men were exposed to copulins from the non-ovulatory part of the cycle.

Looks like they have a definite effect on men - should be interesting to note possible effects on women...

[MaxiMog]

That\'s VERY interesting!!!!! How about the copulins in PCC and PI/w and others? It\'s annoying that the producers don\'t give much information on their products apart from it\'s content. I would like to know how and why they start making a new product. What do they research before doing so? Do they actually test the products themselves before throwing them on the market, or does it only go as far as looking if it might cause certain allergic reactions and stuff?

[Whitehall]

I would think that either:

1) The quantities of copulins change over the ovulation cycle (same mix, different total amount)

OR

2) The quality (chemical composition) of \"copulins\" vary (different composition and maybe total varies too)

Either way, the effect on males is shown to track ovulation. I would suspect that ovulation causes qualitiative changes ( #2) and would hope that manufacturers mimic that ovulation mix. But, given my experience with a variety of females, the precise composition of copulins probably varies between individuals as well as with time.

[Watcher]

I guess as is the case with the majority of pheromone/couplin products these companies do some research find active ingredients and put what they think is best into the product.
As far as research development and testing before coming to market well PCC is a stones labs product which means that phil stone and company must have done some real good research to risk the companies name with a dud product.
Its probably a mixture of what has been isolated and shown to work, im just going to wait now for my order to arrive do some testing before saying to much more on the effectiveness of the theroy of coups.

[DrSmellThis]

I have e-mailed Stone Lab asking them questions about coppies. If I hear back anything new or useful, I\'ll tell everyone.

[Bruce]

Hello All,

Great thread. I\'ve been wanting to jump in as is the case with the swimming pool in the motel we are staying in, but have been too strapped for time for either.

As some of you may know, whenever the topic of copulins pops up I tend to get up on a soapbox and start ranting. I have spent literally hours discussing the subject with Phil Stone at Stone Lab, Daryn Pithey at LaCroy, James Kohl and others, and through it all have remained in doubt there was enough copulins in any of the products on the market to have much of an effect. Primal for women seemed promising as user reports are mostly quite positive and there seems to be some smell (albeit mild) that would indicate there is some copulins in there. Then there is the issue of WHICH coupulins we are talking about as not all coupulins works as an aphrodisiac.

There are two very big points to consider with copulins, one of which has been mentioned in this thread.

1. According to the wonderful research done with copulins by Astrid Jutte in Austria, ONLY copulins created naturally during the ovulatory phase of a woman\'s monthly cycle is of any interest to us. Copullins created during other phases has no effect. OK... big point. Seems to me, if a manufacturer is not clear on this point, we have a problem.

2. Copulins has a very very strong \"aroma\" that is difficult if not impossible to mask or \"blend\". If an unscented product does not smell like something you would expect \"down yonder\" then again... we have a red flag.

Some months ago, I had a long topic about this with Phil Stone and he promised to do some research and come up with a copulins sample that would put hair on my chest (literally) and I think we may soon have lift off. I got 3 small bottles in the mail which take the top of your head off with the smell and include the warning NOT to apply to skin. Just handling the outside of the bottle gave me fingertips that smelled like... well.... errrm. I spoke to Phil on the phone for an hour or so after that and there are still a lot of questions to answer, but we are definitely not in Kansas anymore.

More soon. We are hoping to have a small test batch (100 bottles maybe?) in about a week. Keep in mind, this is nasty stuff. it is NOT a cologne.

Bruce

[DrSmellThis]

OK, Bruce let the cat out of the bag. I had heard back that Stone Lab was releasing something \"amusing\". I should only add that PCC already does come in an unscented version.

For the extremely adventurous out there, there is an essential oil that is incredibly pungent o\' the \'tang:

Cumin seed oil is nature\'s version of copulins. It\'s very hard to find in good quality. One drop, though and your whole apartment will smell like the north end of a southbound Brittany Spears. For the first 5 minutes you\'ll want to squeeze one off. For the next week you\'ll want to bleach everything in your home.

Maybe someday I\'ll make a \"Tang-scented Edge\" for Bruce. Add copulins, a six-pack, and a subscription to ESPN -- we\'d never have to leave home.

[FerroMone]

Is it possible that different copulins are released during different periods of the menstrual cycle ? I believe there are hundreds of copulin compounds, just like the 16, 5a Androstene group w/c includes Androstenone and Androstenol

[Bruce]

It is not only possible, but this has been demostrated in the Jutte study showing that only copulins produced during ovulation acts as an aphrodisiac (ie: raises testosterone leveles in males)
Bruce

[Watcher]

Bruce has any effect been shown vise versa - ie males wearing them and female reactions (im sure those women of the lesbian nature would react, but what about straight women) or i might just wait for my order and go do some testing, just will have to avoid an OD on this one otherwise could have some interesting situations occour later later this week im going to keep my presense and postings low at the momenet lots of things happening plus im going a little road trip in a couple of days and will only access through public email so postings will be limited in nature.

[MaxiMog]

bumpity...

No way, I think this topic is still too important to let it perish already...

[Watcher]

Yeah it does sort of disappear fairly quickly i should recieve my order soon ( a week so far ) but being in australia oh well.
But i will start posting soon on this. Im asuming that PCC can be covered up using something ie andro 8.4 and then ill determine the responses. No particular \"targets\" in mind just general feedback from wearing it around. This may or may not work but could be used ie if guys are going to be hanging around well they can be made to be useful for my purposes of testing and creating feedback for this forum here.

[FerroMone]

Well i am just so excited to know the results of copulins in the field test, however i think very fiew field testers have tried it yet.

[MaxiMog]

This is a story by Love-scent member \"upsidedown\"
I think it fits in here, too. You can also find it at \"Hit Squad - NE1 can post\" topic. I hope you do not mind too much, upsidedown? It\'s certainly not my intention to be a pain in the ass.



I know there has been a lot of discussion about the use of copulins. I just received an order of PCC last Thursday, and have tried them out 3 times so far and thought I\'d mention some interesting results from using them yesterday.


I don\'t know if what I went through would be considered a \"hit\", and under normal circumstances I wouldn\'t even mention whast happened. But considering that everybody seems interested in the potential use of copulins in their mix, I felt that my results yesterday were at least interesting enough for me to pass along for what they are worth to assist people in determining the benefits of copulins for men.

I have been going to a restaurant to eat for the last 6 weeks or so since getting my pheromones. Since wearing the pheromones in there, it seems that a lot of the waitresses have learned who I am, and many know my name. Granted, I eat there maybe 2 times per week...so they may all know me as just a regular customer. I\'m trying to keep this in mind along with deciding if the pheromnes play a part. But, the hostess who seats me in particular seems to have taken a strong liking to me fromt he first time I went in. She is always smiling at me from across the room, and coming over to talk to me. I also get lots of dilated pupils from some of the other waitresses. So, it has seemed that the pheromones have been working on many of the women there (all mainly in the late teens to early 20\'s..I\'m in my early 40\'s)

Anyway, yesterday was the first time I experimented with copulins. I wore the DD#1 mix (SOE;NPA at 7:3) I then put some swipes of copulins on my upper lip below my nose, some along the front of my neck, on my adams apple, and a swipe on each wrist. This may sound like a lot, but actualy the bottle of PCC is so small, that the roller bottle doesn\'t put out much product on each swipe, so it was a farily small amoount overall. I\'d say the bulk of the product was on my neck.

I had heard some people report that copulins MAY cause women to be more intimate and open more quickly...and cause women to become more competitive. Well, I may have experienced some of each. First, the hostess, who is really hot I might add, was friendly to me when seating me again. Also, I noticed from the start that she would always look at me every time she rounded the corner into the restaurant area to seat people. Every time I would make eye contact, she would smile at me. But, I had a waitress who I had never had wait on me before, and quite frankly I really didn\'t remember seeing her there before. But, she knew me, because when she first approached me, she said \"I get to wait on our best customer.\" She continued to make small talk the entire time I was there, asking me what I did, why I eat there etc. This woman really seemed to want to spend as much time with me as she could just asking about myself and getting to know me. Now, I don\'t know if this fits people talking about women warming up to you and getting closer to you quicker or not. There was certainly nothing intimate about our conversation....it was pretty tame stuff. But still, I\'ve never had a first time waitress take such an interest in asking about me like this one did. So, who knows. I\'ll say the effects of the copulins is uncertain on this.

However, what happened later does make me wonder about the copulin effect. This one goes to the theory that it causes competition among women. When I was almost finished with my meal, the attractive hostess stopped to chat, and noticed that my drink was empty. She asked if I wanted a refill, and I said \"sure, one more would be good before I go.\" So, the hostess, who had been maybe 10 feet away when she noticed my drink...walked over to my table to pick up my glass. As she did this, my waitress saw this and came up behind the hostess. When the hostess turned around with my glass, the waitress reached out to take my glass to get my refill. The hostess hesitated for a second, and then without saying anything she just ignored the waitress and walked past her with my glass. It appared that she initially thought about handing my waitress my glass, but then decided to ignore my waitress and continue getting it herself. When my waitress saw this she said \"She thinks she\'s a waitress now.\" The hostess, when she heard her say this, stopped, turned around and said \"I was waiting tables when you were still in elementary school\" and then went on to get my refill. So the waitress stayed and talked to me instead, and was still talking to me when the hostess returned with my drink refill.

Anyway, it was hard to determine if this exchange between the waitress and hostess was good natured ribbing or slightly tense. But, I sensed that there was slight bit of tension there. But, even if there was no tension and this was just friendly ribbing, it did seem fairly certain that the hostess was definitely competing with the waitress for some of my attention...or to be helpful to me in some way..

So, this little exchange can be taken for what it is in the overall puzzle of determining whether copulins have any effect or not. It could be that this competitive exchange between the hostess and waitress might have just been a matter of the circunstances, and might have happened anyway even if I had not been wearing the copulins, or even pheromones at all. But then again, this has never happened before...and it did happen on the one time that I wore the copulins in the restaurant. So, I\'ll let all of you take my experience for whatever value you give it.

One last note about my trip to the restaurant with the copulins on: but at the end, the manger came out with my ticket and said that he had \"comped\" it. I looke at the bill and he had given it to me for free. I said thank you, I appreciated it, and he said \"no problem. I see you in here every day.\" Well, I eat there maybe 2 times per week, not every day, but I\'lll talke the free meal. Then, a few minutes after this, the manger just walked back over to my table and gave me his business card and walked off. No explanation of why he gave me his card, just dropped it on my table in front of me and walked off.

Now, did the copulins play a part on this guy as well? Who knoews. It may have just been a coincindence once again....and he might have done this because I\'ve become a regular customer. But then again, it did come on the day wihen I added the copulins for the first time. May have been a coincidence, but who knows. I also noticed that yesterday that I also had a few of the waiters actually say a quick hello or nod to acknowledge seeing me there when they passed near my table. I\"ve never had this happen to me before either until yesterday.

So, those are my experiences with copulins. I\'d say the interaction between my waitress and the hostess was the most interesting part of the time with the copulins, and was interesting enough for me to want to continue experimenting with them. It would be nice to think that the copulins really do increase female competitive behavior. I could go for a little more of that in my life right now. I\'m just glad it was the women competing for my attention yesterday rather than the male waiters. :-)

Sorry for the long post. This seems to happen to me a lot when I have things to say.

[rjm]

Bruce,

Okay, so they REEK... How\'z\'bout a small quantity in an oil base? That way, for those of us who are using them, we can blend them with APC, or whatever? Maybe also an alcohol-based version, such as NPA, to pop a few drops into the regular colognes of the world?

Just some marketing thoughts... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[rjm]

DST wrote:
\"OK, Bruce let the cat out of the bag. I had heard back that Stone Lab was releasing something \"amusing\". I should only add that PCC already does come in an unscented version.\"

Okay, so it wasn\'t listed on the Products list... All I found was the original, which I like, but would like to try the unsc\'d, unless Phil and Bruce are going to send \"the nasty\" to market. Where is the unscented one?

Thanks!

[upsidedown]

MaxiMog,

No, I don\'t mind you reposting my copulin story at all. So that\'s fine...no problem.

I wasn\'t sure where to post it....I had thought about posting it in one of these copulin threads but ended up posting it elsewhere. I sort of figured that most people probably read everything so people interested in copulins would have seen it elsewhere. But, that may not be the case. I had been thinking about either reposting my account in here as well, or else coming in here and informing people of my account and posting a link to get to it. You saved me the trouble of having to do it.

Thanks.

[MaxiMog]

No problem. I\'m glad you don\'t mind, too.

It\'s just that your post was a perfect example of the posts we need to see here in the future. I\'ve already seen lot of valuable information in this topic over the last few days, so I thank the posters. And, keep up posting everything involving copulins in this topic. That\'s what it was made for: having all the information about copulins in one topic is much more convenient than spreading it here and there.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Bruce,
Keep us updated with those new test batches. Being a woman I would really be interested in effects of this new coupulin mix.

[MaxiMog]

Yeah, women HAVE to post, too, of course. The product was initially meant for them anyway.

[MaxiMog]

Bumpity Bump!!!!! (from page 5 to page 1 again)

[Watcher]

Still no delievery yet although i wasnt expecting to next week (sometimes i get surprised and have it delieverd on one week but mostly two)
I guess bump im thinking of trying it with the DD mix to start with then adding it to andro 4.2 and attraction and maybe even AE/PCC mix. Or just to straight NPA.

[jvkohl]

Astrid Jutte presented a poster session at an olfactory conference held on Coranado Island (San Diego, CA) in 1998 (at least I think it was 1998). She brought along a sample vial of the mix she used in her experiments that increased saliva testosterone levels in men who were exposed. The only mix that had this effect was the mix that closely matched the ovulatory secretions used in experiments on rhesus monkeys. This mix was, without a doubt, familiar to most of the researchers who smelled it during the time I observed. No one reacted negatively; it did not reek! It was a very fragrant version of what we might expect while engaged in very enjoyable oral-genital sex with a woman. By very enjoyable, I mean the best time you\'ve ever had gratifying a woman with your lips and tongue. Obviously, you\'re not going to enjoy giving head if there is any negative odor association--and not if it reeks down there.

A 17y/o girl participated in an uncontrolled experiment for me. She wore a T-shirt each night for three nights during the ovulatory phase of her cycle. A 43 y/o woman sent me a T-shirt she wore during the same phase of her cycle. She sent it because she wanted to know if her pheromones were the reason men consistently fell-in-love with her rapidly and deeply, and she typically turned the head of any man she passed by. Also, a girlfriend of hers had worn some of this woman\'s clothing and noticed how much more attention she received, compared to normal. The T-shirt smells both were a somewhat more faint version of Astrid\'s mix. (Bruce can comment on the scent of the 17 year old.) My current plan is to reproduce Astrid\'s mix, and match it to T-shirt samples of the same women, or of other subjects who are willing to contribute some clothing to my research efforts. At some point, the mix will be \"just right.\" It may take a few months, but it will happen. So start thinking about a name for such a product. Could call it Scent of Eros (fem), or maybe \"First alert\" since it would send a signal to a man that the wearer was most likely receptive to his advances--and possibly even explain any proceptive behaviors she was exhibiting. I\'m fairly certain anyone who can come up with a better name, if there is a better one to be used, will somehow be rewarded. Will also consider adding adrenal hormone metabolites to the mix in an attempt to go one step further than the current research. I\'ll try to keep you informed of the progress via this Forum.

[FerroMone]

Yeah i\'m interested too

[Watcher]

Oooh more product and development, well will have to wait and see looks like there is plenty going on around the world.

[FerroMone]

If it works Jim, it would be sort of like a Nuclear Bomb of the pheros.

[MaxiMog]

WOW, never thought there would be a SOE/w version. I\'d say, go for it. Every product backed up with lots of though and experiments is a worthy addition to the phero arsenal.

[SwingerMD]

Wow! Sounds like this has a lot of potential for all the women phero users out there. Any interesting research coming down the research pipeline for us males?

[chummym]

yeah....what we really need is a pheromone that when smelt by women gives them an orgasm....now that would be the coolest product in the world /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

imagine walking down the hall way at school or a local store /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif talk about DIHL\'s

[MaxiMog]

LOL

[EXIT63]

Possible names for J Kohls new product.

SOT \"Scent of Tuna\"

SPMO 2 \"Super Primal Mooseknuckle Oil\"

WDSPT \"Wang Dang Sweet Poontang\"

RT \"Ripe Tomato\"

The list goes on and on.

[chummym]

ok i gots some suggestions /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

scent of snatch or just (snatch)
poontang of eros (what/who is eros anyway?)
(scent of jailbait) or just (jailbait)

go with jailbait /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif its a cool name

ummm...or you can ignore me i\'m a sleep deprived youngin

[chummym]

everyone vote for jailbait....you know you want too /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif


<FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/dopoll.php\"><INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=\"pollname\" VALUE=\"1027769817chummym\">


name of jkohl\'s new stuff (ya know...the SoE guy /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif )
<INPUT TYPE=RADIO NAME=option VALUE=\"1\">first alert (jkohl)
<INPUT TYPE=RADIO NAME=option VALUE=\"2\">scent of eros/fem (jkohl)
<INPUT TYPE=RADIO NAME=option VALUE=\"3\">wang dang sweet poontang (exit63)
<INPUT TYPE=RADIO NAME=option VALUE=\"4\">scent of jailbait or jailbait(chummym)
<INPUT TYPE=RADIO NAME=option VALUE=\"5\">temptation(chummym)
<INPUT TYPE=RADIO NAME=option VALUE=\"6\">scent of snatch or snatch(chummym)
<INPUT TYPE=Submit NAME=Submit VALUE=\"Submit vote\" class=\"buttons\"></form>

ummm...i\'m guessing theres probably already a perfume called temptation....but its a good name for this stuff don\'t ya think?

[MaxiMog]

How \'bout: SOE/f = Snot of Embryo/Feline

Just a suggestion...

No, actually I\'d just go for Scent of Eros/female. Low on inspiration...

[bills]

How about \"POE (Promise of Excitement)\"
\"HOE (Hint of Ectasy)\"
Or just \"First Impression\"

[bills]

James,

I forgot to mention:

\"Lasting Impression\"
\"Close Encounters\"

I love Name that product contests.

Bill

[upsidedown]

I have some product name suggestions;

Following along the thinking of the name \"Scent of Eros\"...how about:

\"Scent of Venus\"

\"Scent of Aphrodite\"

Or just plain \"Aphrodite\"

Or:

\"Hypnotic Trance\"

\"Deer In Headlights\"

I just threw in that last one to see if anybody was paying attention.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Ok how did you do that poll could be very useful for me and many others please explain lol.

[MaxiMog]

When you reply, just select poll where you can also chose your smilies.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

How about venus fly trap guys that sounds great
\"Venus fly trap\"

[**DONOTDELETE**]

\"Astrid Jutte presented a poster session at an olfactory conference held on Coranado Island (San Diego, CA) in 1998 (at least I think it was 1998). She brought along a sample vial of the mix she used in her experiments that increased saliva testosterone levels in men who were exposed. The only mix that had this effect was the mix that closely matched the ovulatory secretions used in experiments on rhesus monkeys. This mix was, without a doubt, familiar to most of the researchers who smelled it during the time I observed. No one reacted negatively; it did not reek! It was a very fragrant version of what we might expect while engaged in very enjoyable oral-genital sex with a woman. By very enjoyable, I mean the best time you\'ve ever had gratifying a woman with your lips and tongue....\"

jvkohl:
Did you notice any other effects, besides enjoying the odor? Like a calming/mildly pleasant feeling? The reason I\'m asking is I\'m curious as to whether this feeling may have been invoked in me by the pheromones of certain women I\'ve had contact with. Of course I\'ve had contact with lots of attractive women but only a fraction of them have had this type of effect on me. The other explanation of course is it was their behavior, something about them \"charmed\" me. Or maybe that you were smelling something out of a vial, rather than something you associated with a particular person.
Thanks for the info,
\"patchy\"

[**DONOTDELETE**]

bump...

anyone else can respond to this too.
A response from JVKohl would be especially appreciated though.

[FerroMone]

I think \"Scent of Venus\" is very a good name.

[DrSmellThis]

\"Muse\"
\"Aphrodite\"
\"Outhouse Door on a Tuna Fish Boat\"

..are three that come to mind.

[jvkohl]

Didn\'t notice any other effects. Then again, the experience was on the conference room floor (no, not literally) in the midst of a large number of people milling about. Real life experience (I had a business that employed 100 women) suggests that about 1 in 50-100 have a similar natural odor (not vaginal--just overall). Perhaps it\'s because contact was at the time they were ovulating--no way to determine this for somewhat obvious reasons: (Boss: \"are you ovulating,\" female employee: \"my lawyer will contact you.\") In any case, the context is important. What the pheromones of a woman do to you can also be determined by when and where you come in contact with them.

[Bruce]

Update on the pure Copulin Concentrate (beta test):
We have 100 bottles on the way to the warehouse. Phil is donating them to the cause for testing, but would like to be compensated for his efforts by tying the giveaway into a promotion of his products... SO... here\'s the deal:
I will set up a private order page (not linked from anywhere on the site; just this forum) where you will be able to get a bottle of this nasty brew (free) with the purchase of a bottle of Alter Ego. Alter Ego now comes in a women\'s formula BTW, and the men\'s now has a completely different fragrance and bottle than the previous product.
I hope to have the order page set up later this week, but it will not ship until Monday. Tammy is on vacation this next week, and we don\'t want to risk making a mess of this while she is gone. All other orders will ship normally (I hope ;-) ) We may not have the women\'s AE by then, but we will ship the Copulins on Monday (alone if necessary) in any case.

I will post the order location as soon as it is ready, and it will probably have various warnings, conditions etc. posted at the top similarly to A1.

Bruce

[Bruce]

Hi Again,
Some points to keep in mind about these samples.
1. Indications are that this may not be the correct formula for the ovulating female used by Astrid Jutte. I am happy to finally have something that at least smells at all, but James Kohl, who has actually smelled the stuff we are seeking AND the stuff we have in hand says they smell quite different.
2. The ingredient formulae used in the 2 is somewhat different, and we don\'t know the amounts in the current batch.
3. The current batch is VERY (probably too much so) concentrated; so try diluting; that may make all the diference. I have tested fragrance samples before that smelled like hell just because they were too concentrated.

More as it develops,
Bruce

[franki]

I will order a Copulin/AE combo. It is a good occasion for me to finally try out AE (men´s version).

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I was going too pick up a bottle of AE so I guess the cops are are bonus.

Should be fun experimenting.

Ethanol at standby!

[Bruce]

Yes, by all means!!! Anyone about to buy AE, wait until further notice!
Women\'s formula (of AE) coming soon too.
Bruce

[MOBLEYC57]

BRUCE - What gives with AE? \"the men\'s now has a completely different fragrance and bottle than the previous product.\" This is the THIRD time they\'ve changed it...would you by any chance know why?

[Watcher]

Well i got the bottle of PCC so now our experiments can begin however i dont notice any overt aggressive cover scent it smells quite nice and im noticing the effects after applying. It really gives me a massive boost in mood more updates tomorrow.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Thanks Bruce for keeping us updated on this new phero. Being a woman, I would defiantly be interested in trying this new product. I have PI/w now but am not sure of it\'s potency and effects and would therefore love to try something new.

[Whitehall]

\"Hint of Hussy\" - HoH


OK, OK, I get serious.....

[jvkohl]

The heavy concentration Bruce refers to may be a turn-off, especially if a woman smells it and thinks that she has a similar odor. However, two days after putting the smallest amount I could use on a T-shirt, the odor began to approach something tolerable, and somewhat similar to Astrid\'s mix. Still seemed like at least one ingredient was overpowering all others--no idea which one. The point is: do not sniff this stuff directly from the bottle, or even after placing a drop on your fingertip; it will bias your later impressions, since all you\'re likely to remember is the overpowering initial sniff.

[DrSmellThis]

Hey Mobley, wow, how would you describe the new AE scent -- I hope it\'s not more \"chemical perfumy\", as this was one of the big draws for AE before -- the gentle, mellow scent.

(Sorry for taking us off topic temporarily. I\'lll confine further chat on AE to a different thread.)

[MOBLEYC57]

DrSmellThis - I haven\'t smelled the new upcoming AE. I\'ve emailed Bruce asking why are they changing it for the thrid time that I knew of, but he quickly responded and said that he wasn\'t aware that they had changed it TWICE already. When I first tried it along with a bunch of others, I was trying to keep this one particular girl...money wasted!!!, it came in a slinder bottle with a screw off top, then they changed it to a new bottle with a dropper top, and now I\'ve read that it\'s a new frangrance with a new bottle.....sooooooo, I assumed that they are changing the scent for the third time. Just hope that we\'re not all getting caught up in the idea of finding the newest investment on the market, and forgetting that people/things change when money gets involved. SCAMS ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!!! Anyway Doc, haven\'t gotten a chance to place my snotter over the new AE bottle (haven\'t smelled it yet), so I can\'t say what it smells like. Soooooooory, and happy hunting!! : )

[CptKipling]

This cops stuff is really interesting, and i would love to do some testing. Bruce, any idea when this will be available? I\'ve got some mix theories that i would like to test out, need some A1 aswell though...

[MOBLEYC57]

Also Doc - Bruce said that he would call the company and ask about the change(s) of AE, and post the results. \"HE\'S A HARD WORKING MAN!!!\" That Bruce is!

[Watcher]

The change in AE scent is the work of stone labs a love scent supplier maybe if they offered all 3 scents as individual products.
PCC is really interesting one use i have found is slowing beta males down with thier loud mouthed externalised bullshit. It sorts of nullifies the immediate surroundings, a happy sort of dullness very useful.

[rjm]

Bump, BUMP! and ***BUMP!!!***

Can\'t let this get away; where\'s the link, when do I order, etc? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[CptKipling]

Interesting stuff Watcher, keep us posted.

What news on reactions with women? Do they seem more effectionate? Competitive?

[Bruce]

Hi,
I got a response from Phil. I hope I have this right now.
It seems to me that the fragrance has changed twice, not 3 times. According to the maker, the first change was unplanned and resulted from changing fragrance suppliers. That was not supposed to happen and I guess an effort was made to reproduce the original fragrance using new supplies. The recent change and the only planned, intended change is a totally new fragrance. It is nice, but along the lines of APC and/or Rogue Male.

OK, think I have it there,
Bruce

[upsidedown]

Bruce,

So I assume what your saying on the AE is they\'re not going to change the fregrance again, but that they\'re going to keep the current fragrance and add a second RM-like fragrance...and have 2 options on fragrance?

If I have this right, then when do they anticipate coming out with the new fragrace and having it available for us to purchase?

Thanks.

[Bruce]

Up,
From now on the new RM-type AE will be the only real official AE. Phil told me that he would be willing to sell us a custom batch of the old version if we are interested though, so that is doable.
Bruce

[rjm]

So this will be the scent we\'ll get when we order the cops?
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[Watcher]

Its a good way to test the new batch of experimental couplins along with orders of AE (new fragrence)

[DrSmellThis]

We\'ll see, I guess. The old AE was very mixable, and didn\'t interfere. I just don\'t trust American colognes -- way too many synthetics, typically all synthetics. I also wonder wheth AE is way too weak in mones compared to RM to stand up to a strong perfumy smell. I hope Phil will consider using perfumes made of mostly essential oils, for the powerful holistic effects. But I\'ll just continue to use chem set mixes with my own scents for now. I do realize lots of y\'all have had great results with synthetic colognes.

[FerroMone]

Yup Chem Sets are very good if you want different mixes and they last very long also.

[DrSmellThis]

Ok, I have an idea.

If everyone getting the new copulins agreed to try them first only with AE, which comes with the package, and is a proven product (see poll results), then we could see the effect of the copulins directly, and even get an idea about most effective dose (!) as other stuff will have been held constant. A rare scientific opportunity for the curious.

Whaddy\'all think?

[franki]

Bruce, Is it possible to combine the Copulin Concentrate with the old AE too? Personally I am much more interested in trying out the \"old\" AE, than the new, because of its APC/RM-like smell.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[upsidedown]

I\'m just wondering when this new AE scent is going to be available. I\'m more anxious to check it out than I am the super strong experimental copulin product.

[Track0714]

When is the AE/copulin concentrate special going to happen? I have my money ready and dont want to miss the chance to try this new stuff

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Ditto

[rjm]

Please hold one bottle of the new stuff for me too! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[rjm]

Ahhh, more questions!

First, JVK wrote:
\"Will also consider adding adrenal hormone metabolites to the mix in an attempt to go one step further than the current research.\"

What are the \"adrenal hormone metabolites,\" and what do they do? Could they be added to male products? (Maybe THOSE are the secret ingredients in NPA!? I digress...)

Sorry, it\'s gonna have to be in English... I\'m neither a Chemist nor a Scientist. BTW, whatever happened to those two?

Names... Hmmmmm.....

SOFEE (Scent Of FEmale Eros)
Gladiatrix (Tying in to the Aphrodite / Venus ideas, but it would have to be wicked strong! Maybe save that one for a bigger female gun...)

[rjm]

Bumped back to the front! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

I think you will find these adrenal metabolities correct me if im wrong anyone compounds like DHEA and the internal forms of androstadinerol etc. To boost the longer lasting properties of the androgens.

[MaxiMog]

BUMMMMMMP!

[Bruce]

OK,
We have liftoff. See the Copulins super-concentrate beta test thread for details.

Tricky parts:
1. I am not sure which formula of AE/men we have around. Maybe old, maybe new, maybe both. MAYBE we can take requests on that, but I won\'t know until Monday AM.

2. The women\'s AE is new and only comes in one fragrance. We ordered 100 bottles last week. I am hoping they will be in the warehouse to ship on Monday. If not we will ship womens cops Monday and their AE when we have it.

3. Franki: The NEW AE is the one that smells like RM/APC. The original and the 2nd (middle) version are close and smell like musk/citrus as I remember.

Bruce

[Nutt]

oh , I missed this :-)

so, if cop\'s are ment to increase test level, then would a good way to test ( at least for that characteristic) be to do a double blind test level analysis in males? I dont know how expenisve these tests would be, and I think they are blood tests but if this conc. stuff enhances test, then at least we know its partialy (moslty) right.

[Pendragon]

Astrid Jutte

presented a poster session at an olfactory conference held on Coranado Island (San Diego, CA) in 1998 (at least I

think it was 1998). She brought along a sample vial of the mix she used in her experiments that increased saliva

testosterone levels in men who were exposed. The only mix that had this effect was the mix that closely matched the

ovulatory secretions used in experiments on rhesus monkeys. This mix was, without a doubt, familiar to most of the

researchers who smelled it during the time I observed. No one reacted negatively; it did not reek! It was a very

fragrant version of what we might expect while engaged in very enjoyable oral-genital sex with a woman. By very

enjoyable, I mean the best time you\'ve ever had gratifying a woman with your lips and tongue. Obviously,

you\'re not going to enjoy giving head if there is any negative odor association--and not if it reeks down there.



A 17y/o girl participated in an uncontrolled experiment for me. She wore a T-shirt each night for three nights

during the ovulatory phase of her cycle. A 43 y/o woman sent me a T-shirt she wore during the same phase of her

cycle. She sent it because she wanted to know if her pheromones were the reason men consistently fell-in-love with

her rapidly and deeply, and she typically turned the head of any man she passed by. Also, a girlfriend of hers had

worn some of this woman\'s clothing and noticed how much more attention she received, compared to normal. The

T-shirt smells both were a somewhat more faint version of Astrid\'s mix. (Bruce can comment on the scent of the 17

year old.) My current plan is to reproduce Astrid\'s mix, and match it to T-shirt samples of the same women, or of

other subjects who are willing to contribute some clothing to my research efforts. At some point, the mix will be

\"just right.\" It may take a few months, but it will happen. So start thinking about a name for such a product.

Could call it Scent of Eros (fem), or maybe \"First alert\" since it would send a signal to a man that the wearer

was most likely receptive to his advances--and possibly even explain any proceptive behaviors she was exhibiting.

I\'m fairly certain anyone who can come up with a better name, if there is a better one to be used, will somehow

be rewarded. Will also consider adding adrenal hormone metabolites to the mix in an attempt to go one step further

than the current research. I\'ll try to keep you informed of the progress via this Forum.

Bump this

thread since it has some great infomation.

EW is a stronger concentration than in PCC right? EW does have quite

a strong smell. but not as bad I would have thought. Almost seemed to have sort of a "fruity" note to it. Although,

It does remind me of the Jeff Foxworthy bit where he holds up a jar and says "Tell me that don't stink" :lol: