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**DONOTDELETE**
05-29-2002, 03:54 PM
gents

Anyone used this herb? Just ordered some, as the natives get it;~} Any ideas as to dose etc. ???

Boomshankah!

Whitehall
05-29-2002, 04:28 PM
If you\'ve got the raw bark, here\'s my recipe for one wild party.

Only indulge if you are sound of heart and in good health. Plus, don\'t expect to sleep for many hours after ingestion.

To a pot of simmering water, say a quart, add a heaping tablespoon of ascorbic acid - Vitamin C. Then add four table spoons of yohimbe bark, the red powder. Cover and let simmer just below boiling for 30 minutes. The organic acid helps with the extraction of the sought for alkaloids into the liquid.

Remove from heat and allow to cool to warm then filter through a paper coffee filter. To the filtrate, add honey or sugar to help cover the yucky taste - or take it straight if you can. A warm fluid helps dissolve the honey/sugar. This is enough for maybe 5 to 10 people.

When you\'re ready for the party, start by taking one shot glass then wait 10 to 15 minutes before taking another. Stop when you begin to feel the effects. The effects will still build and one should approach higher doses with caution. Four shots were plenty for me last time I tried this. Don\'t plan on driving!

You can expect shivers up the spine, warm, sensitive, even crawly skin, a super woodie, and lot\'s of raw sexual energy. Women can take it too but tend to be not as sensitive and have less dramatic effects but your/her results may vary.

Large doses can inspire paranoia and are slightly hallucigenic or psycedelic.

It\'s not the most pleasant drug but it is definitely the Real Deal. Some African tribes use it for week-long orgies and to gert hyped up for war parties. This formula gives different effects from commercially available extracts or capsules for some reason but even those have a kick.

If E is yin, this is da yang.

oscar
05-29-2002, 04:50 PM
Whitehall,

Great recipe! It\'s so nice having a resident witch doctor on the board.

ratspeaker,

You might want to get the ladies at that party some Damiana Tea. Mightn\'t be quite as potent as the Yohimbe brew, but stimulating nonetheless!

Oscar

**DONOTDELETE**
05-29-2002, 05:07 PM
Whitehall :

Where or who ( distributor ) do you get the red powder or bark ? Only thing I ever see are capusules by all the supplement suppliers.

NoLimits
05-29-2002, 07:56 PM
Jim:

Do search for \"bulk herbs\" and yohimbe...

Here is one:
http://www.viable-herbal.com/services/bulk/bulkoi.htm (\"http://www.viable-herbal.com/services/bulk/bulkoi.htm\")

Watcher
05-29-2002, 11:07 PM
Guys refer to my other posts regarding the super horny goat weed formula some addtiional herbs that may help some out there who cant get yohambine like all of us aussies because the government has slapped a blanket ban on its use and importantion because it is an aprohdisiac. Anything related to sex down here gets hit like that - considering our conservative liberal government. Like pheromones, DHEA yohambine, adult material internet censorship to the core and many other related things and issues. It was so much better with the previous labour government.
Even sex in the city is move to late night TV ( i mean real late night TV)

Whitehall
05-30-2002, 08:02 AM
I\'ve got several health food stores and herb shops in my town that carry the yohimbe bark in bulk for retail sales. For a couple of dollars one can get a half pound of it in a baggy - so much cheaper than in the capsules - or beer.

I agree with Oscar\'s recommendation for damiana (Di). One can make a nice tea from the stuff or just take the capsules. The problem with the capsules is diarrhea. One can also steep the leaves in vodka - Oscar has some interesting stories on a damiana liquor from Mexico. The Di extracts from Gaia Herbs or HerbPharm also seem to have some activity but are rather expensive compared to the raw herb. They would be a good introduction but you need several droppers full. The raw herb is also available for pennies for a baggy at the local shops here in California.

Damiana gives one a touch of a buzz, vaguely like pot. It is especially renown for its effect on female libido but my experiences with my female friends is that this may be a bit overblown although Oscar would disagree. You can also smoke it but I think your lungs will clog up before you get a really strong effect. I sometimes use it as a herbal extender - \"Reefer Helper\" if you will - by emptying a capsule of powdered Di into a rolling paper with another, more potent herb.

One thing that damiana does do is make the genitals hotter, physically. I\'ve taking doses of Di before several dates and have had UNSOLICITED, positive comments about how hot my penis was - something of a single blind test. It also works that way for my female partners, a most pleasurable effect for me, although I can not claim those tests to be blinded since they and I both knew damiana was involved. I\'d think that one could verify this in a laboratory setting too.

There is a new \"soft\" drink out called Niagara that is predominately Di that one can get on eBay - it\'s targeted for females. I ordered some to try but this was the first time I\'ve been ripped off on eBay. I\'m skeptical of all the claims and testimonials for it but its worth a try.

Note that both Yo and Di are in \"Delightfully Intimate\" although in doses that are rather small and are for chronic administration. For example, two caps give you 1 mg of yohimbine. A more usual acute dose would be 10 mg and the yohimbe party recipe would find one taking maybe as much as 50 mg plus a mix of other alkaloids.

Party Responsibly!!!!!!

Remember, never share herbs without informed consent and no driving on a big party dose of Yo!

Bruce
05-30-2002, 01:54 PM
A few months back I was wildly into a standardized yohimbe extract (500 mg caps) that I got from vitaminshoppe.com. I posted it about it back then I think. The results were absolutely insane, and I got to the point where I thought sex without YO is a thing of the past. Now I never use it at all for a couple of reasons:
A. It was making me rather nervous and overly agressive. On at least a couple of occassions it seemed to destroy the whole experience for that reason.
B. The results fell off greatly; maybe partly because I started becoming aware of my altered behaviour, but more likely because the phenomenal results I had been getting were do to some interactions with other supplements.

I feel quite sure great results are available with this stuff to anyone in good health, but I think to really go off the charts you need to think about combos. I had some evenings that were beyond the power of my own imagination, but it seems like every time I took one of those journeys I always belted down any of a number of other natural supplements that may have greatly improved results:
-500 mg of niacin (I used to do this before sex before the Yo days. That could make a big difference as it creates a tremendous flow of blood to small blood vessels throughout the body.
- any of a number of over the counter testosterone boosters. At my age (52) these may be and essential to extreme results.
- Oral hgh sprays and/or any of a number of hgh secretogogues (amino formulas, dopa bean etc)

Probably a combination of all of these is required (at my age anyway) to really rock and roll all night long.

NOTE: As several have mentioned in connection with yohimbe, if your health (heart etc) is not tip top, don\'t mess around with this stuff. I really don\'t think there is anything otherwise \"dangerous\" here; it just makes your heart beat faster and heavier. The same can be said about jogging and sex (not at that same time of course), just to give you and idea of the nature of this \"warning\".

Best of luck with your experiments!
Bruce

Whitehall
05-30-2002, 02:55 PM
I agree with your observation that Yo makes a man aggressive. Sex using Yo is anything but a bonding, soul-to-soul, lovey-dovey event between man and woman - more the opposite. Some like it hot and some like it warm.

You mentioned dopa beans - another area that I\'ve explored. Dopa beans contain L-dopa which is converted into dopamine, the neurotransmitter that is activated during pleasure (amongst other events.) Broadly, the more dopamine release in the brain, the more we can experience sexual pleasure and arousal. These do seem to enhance sex and orgasm to various degrees.

One can take straight L-dopa, available with a prescription in the US or via the Internet but that\'s a bit heavy duty. It\'s used for Parkinson\'s Disease treatment.

Another way to increase brain dopamine levels is l-phenylanaline, a simple amino acid widely available and pretty cheap. Taking this as 1 gram on an empty stomauck an hour before a meal will build up dopamine stores as its the biochemical starting material. However, I\'ve found that doing so for several days makes one nervous and antsy and needing 5-HTP to restore balance.

In the end, many of the things we would take as aphrodisiacs act to upset our balance in the direction of excitement and activity. Because of that, one pays a price as the body will seek to restore it\'s idea of balance. It can be worthwhile if done in moderation and with self-awareness as well as with consideration for one\'s partner.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-30-2002, 03:00 PM
Gents

http://www.salvia-divinorum-supplies.co.uk/ (\"http://www.salvia-divinorum-supplies.co.uk/\")

is the place. This site is wild, even offering mandrake for those who are not of a nervous disposition. Cheers for the info, herbal preparations are in my opinion much better than the extracts you get in caps...

I have some damania leaf in caps, take it occasionally for its cheer u up effects, along with saw palmetto to conteract the DHEA effects on the prostate..

I understand that this is \"freaky\" stuff, but maybe worth the experience, in my youth I was somewhat more adventurous, especially with Dr Leary\'s medicinal cure all ;~}, so I know a bit about \"shocking\" experiences. I also have a number of \"pet\" lophophora around, for my old age retiral party...

If it works for the natives!

Boomshankah!

**DONOTDELETE**
05-31-2002, 02:02 AM
No Limits :

Thanks for the link . I see two ways of buying the Yohimbine ; in herbal form and extract . I know for the tea you use the powder but wondering if you have ever used the extract and how you\'d use that as I see they mention there are NO directions, etc that comes with the orders.

Xehupatl
05-31-2002, 03:50 AM
well since we\'re already talking about some psychoactive plants, I\'d like to ask you guys if you know or ever experienced \"Yauthli\" or \"Calea Zacatechichi\" ?? They\'re not aphrodisiacs, but are used for sleep & vivid dreams. I\'ve tried Yauthli twice, brewing a tasty but bitter tea. It made me sleepy and I remembered several dreams.
Calea Z. I bought once, also brewing a strong tea from the dried plant. But it was so revolting I drank a few sips until I was ready to barf then discarded the rest ... I noticed however that I was getting very .. mellow ... no other effects though.
If anybody\'s got some interesting experiences to report - please do!

thanks!

Stefan

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Bruce, I am your father!

Whitehall
06-01-2002, 08:01 AM
The extracts available do work quite well but since they are an alcohol extract, they seem to have slightly different effects compared to the acidic hot water tea in my party recipe. I\'ve used both HerbPharm and Gaia extracts, both reputable brands available here in California and on the Web. Other brands are available but are untested by me. There are many more alkaloids in the bark beyond just yohimine so the manner of extraction will make a difference in what you ingest and hence on the overall effects.

For a light effect, one where I, a 200 lb (90 kg) guy, just feel the effects, take a half a shot glass or so of warm water and add 10 drops of the extract (shake the bottle first!) Throw it back about an hour before \"activity.\"

If your date is in the evening, one can do multiple doses, 10 drops first thing in the morning, again at lunch, and then one hour before. There does seem to be a build up effect so that this way one gets more of the woody effect and less of the mental weirdness. Some people would use a few drops like this every day as a weight loss regime since it increases body temp and energy outlay thereby burning up extra Calories.

At ten drops, sleeplessness is not too much of a problem, for me at least.

I\'ve gone as much as four droppers full, or about 80 drops, in a single dose for a stronger kick. The effects are not as wild as the tea but still there. One could do more and not equal the wildness of four cups of the tea.

One can also mix in kava kava with the Yo as a means to mitigate the nervousness and paranoia side effects. It\'s not a perfect match up but they do work well together, the kava contributing a mellowness to take off a bit of the edge. Again, don\'t drive on a load of kava either! Here in California, they have and will ticket people for DWI if you get a snoot full as a large dose impairs driving ability. Note that the 10 drops of Yo extract seems perfectly safe for driving to me but get to know yourself on it first. Kava is also in the Delightfully Intimate that Bruce sells.

One effect of Yo seldom mentioned is the dramatic ejaculations. When you come, the volume and force increase, as does the pleasure. At best, orgasm completely involves (or \"recruits\") your spinal cord since that\'s the part of the nervous system stimulated by Yo and a major player in your erection and ejaculation. The only downside is that you may want to keep going - that wave of alpha state pleasure from the release of endorphins post-O might not be able to overcome the stimulus from the Yo. Relaxation might not follow. In that case, you need to back-off of a few minutes and get re-centered, let you heart slow and get grounded before resuming play. Check in with your partner!

**DONOTDELETE**
06-02-2002, 02:32 PM
Anyone know the difference between \'powdered\' form and \'botanical extract SE 2 %\' as far as ordering bulk Yohimbe ?

At the site I\'m looking at , this is the two types offered - I have no idea what SE 2% means. The extract is still in powder form ( I thought an extract was liquid) . This is all I could get from the company as far as info.

Can anyone shed some light on this ?

Whitehall
06-03-2002, 06:53 AM
\"SE\" probably means \"standardized extract\" - they\'re \"guaranteeing\" that it contains 20 mg of yohimbine per gram of extract - 2 percent. The powdered form is just unassayed. One can make a solid, standardized extract by adjusting the raw powder with liquid, concntrated extract or by drying the liquid. 2% is not particularly high and doesn\'t sound fortified at all - the raw powder may well contain 2% or more.

As to which to chose - it depends on the price. Standardization has some use in that you can compare from one batch to another. Ultimately, you\'re going to have to titrate the dose - measure your own reaction to a specific quantity using a certain method of preparation and ingestion. With standardized extract, you will have a bogey - say you want a 10 mg dose then eat half a gram. Of course, if you buy a pound of the raw powder, you figure out that one tablespoon as a tea takes you where you want to go.

Don\'t think you\'ll go too wrong either way.

**DONOTDELETE**
06-03-2002, 02:04 PM
I was on the web the other day and a pop up window came up
about Aphrodesiacs. Are there any Aphrodesiacs out there
that you can wear like any of these phero products.
People who are looking for sexual hits are buying none products
so...if you\'re looking to turn on certain woman or any woman for that
matter, why not put on wear some sort of Aphrodesiac oli. I\'m
confused...Any suggestions.

Whitehall
06-03-2002, 02:39 PM
So what is an aphrodisiac? It\'s a terribly vague term. I\'d rather think about the variety of substances that can affect our sexuality. These fall into the following categories:

1) Libido - stronger sex drive and interest in sexual activity.
2) Disinhibition - the desire to NOT have sex is biologically determined too - some things help to lower the barriers. \"Rice is nice but liquor is quicker.\"
3) Arousal - once you got an agreeable honey, getting aroused and worked up, can be mechanical like Viagra
4) Orgasm - cumming bigger and better for either gender
5) Bonding - going from lust to love

Mostly, we wear pheromones to attract partners who are also looking for a partner - that\'s a fair use. I think you\'re asking if there is something to wear that with increase a female\'s libido and heighten her arousal.

In some cases, None will stimulate a woman who has a lower sex drive (category 1) but this is rare and not to be expected. Copulins on a man might also spark a higher sex drive for a female companion but that\'s a second order effect too and I don\'t think anyone has reported a definite field observation. Copulins and Nol may help in heightening arousal for a woman during sex (Cat 3 and 4). Bruce has mentioned SoE packets for this use and I\'ve experienced PCC as a facilitator too.

However, don\'t imagine that there is something that you can spray on that will turn a fundamentally disinterested, low libido female into a hot-to-trot woman. None will get the attention of a hot-to-trot woman but it won\'t create much interest where there is none there to begin with. The essential oils of jasmine and rose have a reputation of inspiring romance in women and may help in increasing libido but don\'t expect dramatic results.

Now there are some pills and herbs that can be of use but they require informed consent on the woman\'s part.

Bottom line:

None - somewhat

Rose/Jasmine - best bets but do you want to smell like a flower?

Walter_Mitty
06-03-2002, 04:47 PM
As far as finding the Yo bark, I went online and bought a ton of it for a reasonable price (very similar to prices for other herbs at the local Food Coop) and I also found the Di there at a really cheap price. The yo extract was a rip off price (~50 mL\'s for 10 bucks...) I tried to make a combination tea out of the fun stuff I had obtained. But I did deviate from the recipie. Here is what I did...

Microwaved the water til it was boiling (I am impatient at times)
Turned on the stove
Grabbed a small pot and put the hot water in it
Put it on the stove on simmer
Added herbs/extracts

At this point I got to thinking, if a whoppin dose of Vit C was added there are a couple of things that it would do. Drop the pH, it\'s an acid. Increase the ionic strength (GN Lewis eqn, that guy had his fingers in all things chem/phys at the turn of the century.) And finally, it can donate or accept electrons depending on the redox conditions. So after a thought or two, I decided that the redox ave was probably not what was happening. Most likely it was the ionic strength, I have extracted enzymes from plants, and this always seems to be the key to getting a reasonable amount. So, I added salt instead (if the stuff is bitter, and boy is it, this will counter that somewhat.) Then I thought, crud, what if it was the pH? So I added a little wine, and a little vinegar. Not much, just enough to drop the pH. I decided that a bit of sweetness would help, so in went a tbs of honey. Finally I thought, man, this stuff looks/smells like rat poison (well, not good at any rate) so I added a peppermint tea bag, and a ginko/green tea bag for fun. Let the stuff simmer for 20-30 minutes, and then cooled it off. I tried the coffee filter, nothing working for me there. So I just strained it into a measuring cup. I had started with 2 cups, (about 250 mL) and ended up with a little less. It wasn\'t very cold, so I addedd a couple of ice cubes to it. I think that brought the volumn back up to the origional amount. Now what happened...

I was headed out to watch the NBA Western Finals at a local bar/grill. I had a ride, I was going to drink. My ride was on the way, so I didn\'t have much time to play around, so I took 3 shots, and washed that down with a beer. Flavor of the tea? Salty peppermint, with a bit of a bitter note at the end. I had used the extract in this, so all the experimental procs were being used on the Di, but it was fun. Oddly enough, I wasn\'t very nervous (Really, and I am a long time Kings Fan, they are not easy to watch, honestly!) I was smiling an awful lot, felt really good, and the fur on my arms was standing up. More news than that I cannot say, the Kings lost, and we proceeded to drink beer and crack jokes about all things in the world. The Booze might have altered my perception of the whole thing, so I won\'t comment any more on that particular episode. I guess I\'ll try again next weekend /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
06-04-2002, 06:19 AM
Thanks Whitehall...it makes sense.

jamesdeanmartin
06-04-2002, 06:51 AM
Anyone know the side effects of Yohimbe?

I\'ve taken some Yohimbe a handful of times before a possible sexual encounter. Although I have yet to actually have a sexual encounter with the Yohimbe, because I was shafted by the girl every time. I\'ve noticed a sort of depressed state that sets in about an 1 hour after taking some Yohimbe. Anyone else notice this? I just feel like [censored] for a while, and then not getting any poon doesn\'t help the matter. I\'ve taken Yohimbe a couple of other times and noticed this similar depressed state. I\'ve let some friends try some, and they report no such reaction. Then again, they are getting some after taking the yohimbe.

I\'ve also had similar problems with Tribulus somewhat. If I miss a dosage of Tribulus for a day or two, I get pretty damn depressed. Maybe it\'s the hormones wreaking havoc on my body, I don\'t know.

JDM

Whitehall
06-04-2002, 08:33 AM
As to your extraction technique, I had always understood that the organic acid lowered the pH to extract the basic alkaloids - alkaloids are alkaline, are they not? As to salt, my volume of \"Kitchen Science\" says you put salt into boiling water for pasta so that the salts in the pasta DO NOT go into solution. I would have avoided salt. Adding some alcohol extract to the water extract was a great idea - I\'m going to try that next time too.

The \"grinning fool\" effect slightly resembles my experiences with Yo but then I never drink and Yo at the same time.

What really sounds familar is the fur standing on end on your arm. Now THAT is a yohimbe effect! For a large dose, imagine that feeling all over your body, even on the fur on your tail that you don\'t really have.

Of course, microwaving the water spoiled the whole extraction - microwave radiation is well known to dissemble the van de Waal\'s intermolecular ordering constant, resulting in electrothermal disimmediation of the p2-s3 interloculation mechanism.

And I thought you knew your chemistry!

Walter_Mitty
06-04-2002, 05:08 PM
Hey, lets be nice... The salt can do various things. The alkaloids are in general basic, and because of that the low pH of organic acids would ionize them, and hopefully that would help the extraction. The salts provide and environment that the charges are satisfied better in soln than on the surface of the carbohydrate material that the plant solids are made from. If you are trying to hydrate something (soluble fiber in oatmeal for instance, pentosans for the nrrds) salt is a big no-no. The problems the salt creates is that it will out compete the extremely large molecules for the water. But in this case the alkaloids are much smaller than those carbo molecules (the carbos are in the millions of Mw) and it would provide an environment that allows to ionized cmpd to have a counter ion at all times.

So no, it wasn\'t that bad of an idea. I just microwaved the plain ole water. As everyone knows, the microwave radiation is tuned to waters dipole, causing it to flip, making a load of friction between molecules. Then you have hot water. On to the booze idea...

OK, there is the organic extraction part here, but I am thinking that you are already playing with an ionized cmpd, so unless it is a surfactant I doubt that will be a major player in the extraction. But, there is another manner in which it will dramatically effect the fun. By adding 2.5-5% EtOH (this means the soln is the same Alc cont as beer or so,) you really screw with the dielectric of water. This will generally make the counterions attract each other to a greater degree. So, in combination with the salt, the alcohol will make the alkaloids want to stick more tenaciously to the ions present (in great excess in the aqueous phase)

Wow, now that I think about it, I am pretty good at this chemistry stuff /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Whitehall
06-04-2002, 05:51 PM
OK, but do I still put salt in my pasta water?

The organic acid recipe is the classic way to go but there is always room for improvement. I\'m wondering if the grinning part of your experiment was in any way attributable to the differences in the extraction technique. Usually, Yo is a bit grimmer, at least for me.

Maybe one could use beer instead of water to simmer the Yo herb. Of course beer has lot\'s of carbohydrates. Couldn\'t hurt the flavor!

Walter_Mitty
06-04-2002, 09:54 PM
Oh hell yeah, you want the salt in the pasta water to keep the level of salt in the pasta, other wise it just leeches out, bad... In a way the Vit C behaves exaclty like salt. While protons are not often considered salts (for good reasons) they are positive ions (is there some sort of metaphysical crap going on here?)

Sorry, I am doing color and play by play tonight, in an odd mood...

As far as the grinning is concerned, I think that might be attributed to the Di. I dunno, I haven\'t had time to test. I be TA, and Finals approach, crud. I will experiment on the weekends though, and at some point I\'ll put up my review.

Beer, simmering beer is not always good. The acids (hops: humulones and isohumlones) isomerize into just plain bitter. While I don\'t mind bitter, they go from floral (ie Sierra Nevada) to bitter (ie Rogue) The sugar in the beer is in water, and lots of it, so they won\'t go and do something funny, like caramelize. If you want the alcohol effect, I suggest vodka, it is just distilled grain or potato, and the better ones have a better purity. If you make a 5% soln (yeah, yeah, bust out the ole calculator) it should be fine for the simmer. But, hey, I am up for any one of the techniques. There are a bunch of odd techniques in my world that came about by chance (agar for one...)

But, I will say that I didn\'t get to use the Yo bark powder yet, I was a sucker for the extract. I have a bundle in the mail, and will try that when it gets here.

On another odd note, the mixing of the different tastes (not to be confused with flavors) is what chefs commonly do to knock down strong ingredients. A good mix of salty, sour, sweet and bitter will make things much more palettable. Oh yeah, I\'ll be shot at the next revolution if I don\'t mention that savory is also a taste (try MSG crystals, no vapor pressure, but they taste like meat) OK, Off to study ELISA plate production.

**DONOTDELETE**
06-10-2002, 03:19 PM
I know what you mean about the bark -- Its just far too intoxicating to be useful as an aphrodisiac! I found smoking it best, the extract is far too weird.......

Talking of weird and a bit off topic, but any one of you chemists have any views on salvia? REALLY WEIRD!

Walter_Mitty
06-10-2002, 04:37 PM
Well the USPS dropped off my order today, so the mad scientist will be at work tonight. I will let folks know what I did, and the effects that I found. I am going to not try the Di in there tonight (baby steps...) and see what the Yo bark does.

Saliva, is rather odd. Quite a number of enzymes in there. Amylase, catalase, a number of proteins that grab iron, and a lot that are designed to inhibit microorganisms... But, I dunno where you were going with it on that last thread. OK, I\'ll report back later.