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hey bruce and others 14/y/o boy here let me start off by saying what i put on 1 stripe of soe on each side of neck,1 stripe of soe on each arm,1 stripe of soe around each rist,1 small stripe on 4 head and rubed some xcite on each arm is that to much ? as i left to get on the bus on my way to school i sat by ths 7y/o boy he start to look at me for like 5 seconds and tells me \"hi\" i say hi back then theres this other boy n the left seat of me he say \"something stinks\" i didnt smell nothin could it b the mones hes smelling ? then when i got to school i sat by my friends they wasnt so chatty, i herd the soe suppose to make people chatty.then as class starts my teacher kept passing by me and finaly she gets a chair and sits down close talking to the whole class a (lady) teacher. then n my second period wich is history i sat down close to this girl theres a desk between us though and she says \"i like your pants\" i say thanks she say \"there pretty\", later on she starts to right my name on the desk between us with chalk that say Chris+denise.denise is a girl who i dont like and i erase it then she write it again and she erased it.thats all what happened to day so whats going on is it the mones or there just being friendly ? the soe scent doesnt last that long but its still working right ? it the scent only lasts for like 3 hours.so wats going on here ?


Chris aka Bigshot

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Hello, wish I had SOE in High School. images/icons/laugh.gif

It is generally accepted on this forum that SOE does not stink, so I don´t think it was the SOE.

Although the scent of SOE fades away, the mones keep working for a long time.

Funny that you got a comment about your pants, the same happened to me last night images/icons/smile.gif , (see the stupid guy thread).

If you are clever, say something nice to this girl, because that is what they like most: getting compliments. images/icons/wink.gif

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YEA THAT IZ FUNNY, I KNOW THE GIRL FOR 2 YEARS BUT I DONT LIKE HER THATS Y I DIDNT SAY NOTHIN NICE ABOUT HER. SO GUYS WHAT DO U THINK, U THINK THE SOE WORKING FOR ME ?
WAS THAT TO MUCH ON ?

[aaron]

Uhhhhh....I don\'t know about the rest of you guys on here, but the thought of 14 yr olds using stuff like this tends tobe rather disturbing.

We have enough teenage pregnancies in the uk (not sure about the US). Not certain I\'d like to encourage this in pre-legal teenagers. They grow up too fast now as it is.

Now, when I was 14 yrs old, I..... images/icons/tongue.gif

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Aaron,

I believe Bigshot only uses SOE, which doesn´t make girls sexually aroused, it´s just making them a bit more friendly and open. There´s nothing wrong with that i think. images/icons/wink.gif

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There is nothing wrong with any of it. You can\'t control what he does anyway. This is the best time of his life if he is careful. We forget too soon these times of youth.
Elk

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Hey bigshot, I\'m around the same age, 16 year old female. I don\'t see anything wrong with using phero\'s at our age. Basically I\'m using it to seem more attractive to guys that are \"out of my league\", socially not physically. I would consider myself pretty good looking, but high school popularity sucks, especially if you\'re not willing to dress like a slut and act like an airhead. I\'m smart and I\'m proud of it! So there images/icons/smile.gif

Sorry I\'m using your thread to rant and not answering your questions. I\'m just a newbie too images/icons/smile.gif

someone

[aaron]

Ooooops!!!! Sorry if I stepped on anyone\'s foot images/icons/blush.gif didn\'t mean to come across as preachy. Guess it must have been the articles in the papers the last few days about 13 yr olds fathering kids with 15yr olds that got me a little carried away.

Have fun guys. Be Good. And if you can\'t be good....be careful images/icons/tongue.gif

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someone its ok.
Nobody gonna answer my qustions ?

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Hey someone, I am close to twice your age, but if you buy into the intelligence thing, I do have some words of encouragement. Don\'t make fun of NRRDs, you might work for one... (ya said you were one of the smart ones, so I had to ask...) I can\'t tell you how many times that dumb little line of text has come true.

As far as pheros are concerned, I would guess it will be a rocky road for those of you who are on the young end of the spectrum. Ya\'ll are at your prime for this type of thing. You should be pumping out these cmpds like they are your life force. Us oldies are the ones who will probably get more from \"help.\" Not to say you can\'t gain from this site...

Oh yeah, the last thing, and I do swear by it (like a sailor,) a good smile will get you just as far, or furthur, than the pheros. Wierd, but true.

[marv14yag]

Hey, SOMEONE (the name.. on the board...) I am also 16...Male however. You say you are good looking and smart.

Let me tell you, if a girl is good looking, than guys are looking at you just as much as the guys are looking at the other girls. Here\'s the thing though, if you are not in a big group of friends, or popular, than the people don\'t have a way of talking to you, etc.
I see that all the time at my school, even the REALLY hot, actually popular girls, never have boyfriends, because the guys can talk to them...If they\'re not friends with them, or you don\'t have anything to talk to them about...

Oh, bigshot...You use one HELL of a lot of mones...I think it\'s the concentration that matters, how much you put on is like taking the same cologne, and just spraying more on, rather than getting a more concentrated cologne and spraying less on..Is this just why the EXTREMELY concentrated colognes cost more, hmmm............. Nevertheless, if this girl is hot, wait until you move up a few grades, or maybe even by the end of the year. You are going to W I S H you had gone out with her (I should know, this has happened like W A Y too many times for me.)

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aaron:

No toes were harmed in the making of this thread images/icons/smile.gif

Walter:

Thanks images/icons/laugh.gif How\'s that one?

Marv:

Yeah, I get what you\'re saying and it\'s good advice. It\'s what I thought, too. Except, there\'s this one guy who flirts with me durring this one class we have together, programming, which we\'re both pretty new to, who\'s really popular. There aren\'t any of his friends in that class. But outside of that class, like in the halls and stuff, he acts like he practically doesn\'t know me images/icons/crazy.gif images/icons/frown.gif. The pheros are for him.

someone

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If the guys is only nice to you when not around his friends, then IMHO you\'ll end up getting used or really disappointed if you chase him.

I could be wrong.

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COULD SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME IS THAT THE SOE WORKING ?

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Bigshot, first off, not trying to be an asshole, but you really need to clean up your grammar. images/icons/laugh.gif
Was the girl writing in her own name with yours? Does she, or has she ever, complimented you before? Another words, if she was acting out of the ordinary, it was probably the pheromones working. SOE is probably the best choice for you, as I\'m not even sure the girls in your age group would respond to something like PI or NPA. I hope I\'ve helped answer your question.

\'Slinger out.

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I never realized there were so many kids online at this site. Parents really need to monitor their kids more and keep credit cards away from them. Parenting nowdays seems to be a lost art. And the illiterate spelling/grammar/math skills wow....to think management of my social security and national decisions will be made by this generation. I knowingly use run on and fragmented sentences by choice. These kids have no choice. It\'s the only way they know how to speak and write. I\'m a very liberal person and for the most part don\'t give a damn what other people do. But I do not believe minors should be researching and using sexual attractants, unless we abolish the concept of a minor and let them buy booze/tobacco/gamble/go to brothels etc. In that case all \"minors\" who commit a crime should go to a real prison and do real time. My car was stolen by minors in California. I\'d sleep better knowing they were anal raped while in the pokey. Teach the snot noses a lesson. If you do the crime... Parents are teaching ZERO morals and ethics to their kids nowdays. I say strip the computers out of their bedrooms and restrict their access. Maybe instead of surfing for pheromones they should be cracking an actual paper book.

Wear = verb
Where = usually pronoun or adverb

Their = possessive pronoun
There = adverb

It\'s = It is
Its = possessive pronoun

But I\'m betting this means nothing as they don\'t know nouns/verb/adverbs etc.

I agree with the Limey, there are enough teen pregnancies as it is. They don\'t need pheros on top of it.

[Whitehall]

StanBo,

IAM N kampleet agrueemint

[aaron]

Or, the kids these days spend too much time in chatrooms. I tangled with one of those places a good few years ago...just once. Very edukashunal...help me wiv me reedin, ritin and kommunitykashun skilz. Can\'t understand people who spend days on there, stopping only to remove the dribble from their mouth as they slowly slip into a coma.

Best be off. Gotta get the drool off the side of my face...been there for days. images/icons/tongue.gif

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Stanbo

I am trying to excercise that iron will I have and follow the advice I always give: think before you speak(or type), count backwards from ten, and ALWAYS give the other person the benefit of the doubt.

So let me start.

I understand that you were robbed by kids, but you are letting your anger, though understandable, cloud your judgement. You said \" I\'d sleep better knowing they were anal raped while in the pokey. Teach the snot noses a lesson.\" I understand that you\'re lashing out and venting because this board is an environment you feel confortable discussing your feelings openly, and therefore I will not violate that trust by bashing you like I really want to right now.

The truth of the matter is, the good outnumbers the bad. Take a real good look around and you\'ll find wonderful kids everywhere. Ever go down to your local soup kitchen? Count the teens giving up time they could be \"surfing the net\" and causing all sorts of havoc. Ever go to the hospital? Count the candy striped aprons.

You said \"To think management of my social security and national decisions will be made by this generation.\" I know you have encountered some aweful teens, but it is highly doubtful those that stole a car will ever end up in a position to manage these things. Who will? Kids like me. Kids who are envolved. Kids who volunteer, who write for their school newspaper, and who take pride in Model UN. Kids who run for student government, call up board members to give their views, and never rest until they see change. If you can find someone better to care for your interest in your old age, be my guest.

I also find it strange that you said both that kids should go to real prisons and do real time AND that parents are teaching zero morals and ethics to their kids. Contradictory much?

I don\'t know what you think parents should teach kids, but mine have taught me strength, honor, perseverance, dedication, ambition, kindness, and love. They teach me through example. They have also given, not taught, me an intense sense of loyalty so that when I hear sweeping statements such as those you\'ve made that include my parents, I become angry.

I also become dissapointed that you are so apt to blame them that you\'ve never met for the children that you\'ve never seen: the real children of today.

So while you think on what I\'ve said, I\'m going to continue to study for my advanced placement classes, plan how I am going to squeeze in 6 college level courses with college credit into my senior year schedule, and choose the Ivy League college I will attend in a year. I might also write a two page paper in spanish or an intereperative essay on Notorious. But if I choose to let those wait while I curl up with Tolkein and Shakespeare, try not to think little of me for it.

Sincerely and always politely,
Someone

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Someone,
Thank you for the reality check!
Elk

[marv14yag]

Listen, not all of the teenage kids are like that. I do agree that the reason the out of control ones are like that is because they do not believe there will be a consenquence for their actions.

I myself am 16 1/2. I\'m not a bad kid... I really don\'t know how I found the love-scent.com site, I really don\'t, but I\'m glad of it.

I\'ve been using the AndrosteNONE not from the kit, but I had it ordered seperately. If you only knew the social change that has made. I\'ve tried it differnt places. The best is under the arm pits, because it\'s the more natural of a place, and, if it\'s worn on the skin outside of the body (Ie, the face, neck, under ears, etc...) people have commented that something stinks, but no problems with the stuff under the arm..

Anyway, good stuff, that, and I\'ve always been the intimidating weightlifting type, except, now, I also bought some cutting gel, and more than a months worth of thermogenics and lost 15#. I was NEVER fat, I\'m more of an athlete, and instead of being big, I\'m big with little fat over the stomach (yes, I know, the girls love it...) (Don\'t get the wrong impression. I was 190# at 5\'9. With about 12% bodyfat..now I\'m 175# at 6\'0 with like 9%... I\'m MUCH better in the quick, jerking movements of weightlifting. In fact, I clean 225# but only bench 180#..And I do the karate stuff, no teachers, but I\'ve taught myself.
I can do +50 roundhouses in a row. Front jump snap kick, Spring up from the floor, which I believe is the kick-flip, if you have ever seen the ROCK do that... And I can do choke holds, joint locks, etc. Now, people know that, and I have a bunch of nicknames because of it.. Kung-fu Bart, Karate Kid, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, etc...

That, and if anyone wants a pic of me, I will be happy to give it to them, but I look like the David Boreanis with the blond hair, and an expanded chest (I\'ve done that on purpose through proper breathing technique, something that has been forgotten since the old timers..Breathing squats, yes, all coming back to you now??)
Ok, that, and I have a 2000 Chevy Prism, which will put a system, rims, 52 1/4\" spoiler 11 1/2 inch high on it...Yes. (Getting all black contacts the cover the white of the eyes like the Wes Borland..yes, yes...all good...) (Although, I do have pretty eyes...best shade of blue, look just like blue inside of a marble..I\'ve had them for 16 years now though...so..

Anyway, before the mones, I mean, I didn\'t notice it, but I didn\'t talk very much, and etc.

See, when I wear the mones, someone walks up and TALKS TO ME! As if I know them. This is no joke. I work at Wendys...Customers..Talk to me as if they\'ve known me for years or something. Even if it\'s the first time they\'ve ever seen me, or been there.

Girls too, they are wild around me. Now, because of this, and people talking to me..It makes me more confident; I therefore become confident and talk, which makes the people talk to me more, etc.

End result...: Before, loner, not popular.

Now: I talk to girls like no problem at all. Hot girls sitting at a table..I just walk over to them, and start talking, it doens\'t matter what it\'s about, as long as there is dialect, and...No matter who I\'m around, if I\'m talking to girls, they will ALWAYS start talking about, OR doing something sexual. (Good thing on my part.)

Question: This is the only thing I do not understand...Skateboarders people..they get the girls, not because the girls think they look better, but because they are more comfortable to be around right..

Well...Now, this is what has been happening lately. I\'ll be talking to a hot girl at the fair...Get her name..where she\'s going to school, she\'s flirting with me..I mean, she\'s grinding her friend to a song, she has me talking so close to her ear that I\'m practically sucking on it..Anyway..I ask her for her number...she says she has a boyfriend, which, I can tell she was lying..Anyway, why is this...Why does she flirt with me, etc. but not want to hook up?

This is not the first time...Multiple times this has happened. They\'re even flattered/intimidated (never rude, you NEVER have that problem when you have mones on...) when I ask for a number or something like that..but I never get it, and I never get hooked up..

I\'m just going to go through fucking life with the girls...Having orgies on the dance floors at clubs or something..but that\'s ALL..I swear, very annoying, and I have yet to find an explanation...


But, to the original post..Dude..People aren\'t ALWAYS going to talk to you BECAUSE you\'re wearing mones. Think about it; do you just HAPPEN to go and walk up and start talking to a hot girl? I don\'t think so, get some d*mned sense dude.

Bart

[camusflage]

Bart:
I\'m somewhat hesitant to reply, wondering if you\'re looking for an honest answer or an answer you want to hear. I\'ll wager on the honest answer though..

The reason for not getting \"hooked up\" is that for women, flirting can be, as a social interaction, and end in and of itself. Just as men find power/authority/respect important, women want the same thing, only instead of over everyone as it is in men, women want that power and respect over/from men. For some, flirting is simply a way of affirming that they have it. At your age, particularly, women are just spreading their wings, so to speak. Part of testing the waters is going to involve sticking close to shore sometimes.

That covers the general cases. Now, to address you in particular, I have a feeling it comes from the attitude, in some circumstances. From the general tone that there\'s somehow something \"wrong\" with a girl if she\'s not totally interested in you, to your attitude towards people that aren\'t like you (\"skaters\", specifically), to your less than humble approach towards \"selling\" yourself, in the physical and vehicular forms. While confidence is an attractive trait to most women, self-centeredness and conceitedness is not. It will only make them wonder \"Will those other things be more important than me?\" while evaluating your relationship potential.

Now then, that being said, some women will go wild over that type of attitude/behavior. Typically though, they will also be the kind you\'d quickly bore of in anything resembling a serious relationship. As long as you keep in mind that pheros aren\'t a substitute for lack of personality or a quick fix for the less than desirable parts of one, you\'ll probably get much more out of them.

And to Someone, keep it up--you\'ve got great things written all over your future.

[jose]

The way I see it teenagers can come to this site if it\'s going to help their social life(as long as they are responsible). If I had Pheromones back then when I was a teenager, things would probably have been very different. images/icons/laugh.gif I don\'t judge them because of a few bad apples, but I have noticed the decline of morality and parenting in recent years. images/icons/mad.gif I blame the parents if their kids are out of control and acting like idiots. images/icons/crazy.gif

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The replies were too long so I just skimmed them. I\'ll just say I\'d tell anyone in person the same thing, not just on a message board. Also, it\'s great you have ambitions and don\'t steal cars. But at your age you have no business using pheros for sexual attraction. And sending kids to prison for adult crimes is good morality in my mind. Sorry.

Ivy League, of course there are always exceptions to everything in life. But I don\'t remember any of my friends acting like idiots at a movie theatre and disrupting the show. For the past 5 years(easily) I haven\'t been able to see an entire movie in a theatre without a bunch of obnoxious teenagers completely ruining it during the show. Loud talking, laughing, throwing candy, etc. Same goes for fast food restaurants. My friends and I acted up as teenagers will do. But we never were puposely rude and obnoxious in public like the kids are nowdays. I could go on and on with examples. You are too young to have known when teens were more polite. I, however, have seen the decline of social behavior as based against my peers when I was in high school. Sorry Ivy, but MOST kids nowdays are very rude and snot nosed.

Two years ago my then girlfriend and I tracked down a hit-and-run driver who caused a severe accident in front of us. We tracked them 5 miles until their tire blew out. I was shocked when SEVEN teens jumped out of the car. The cops took a long time to get there. All the while the teens tried to talk me out of holding them there, started to get physical about it, and NOT ONCE showed any remorse about what they did. When the cops got there they not once asked if the people in the car they hit were ok or not. One snot nosed punk looked straight at the cop and said \"I\'ll just tell my mom they were giving me a ride and didn\'t know them too well(meaning the other teens). She\'ll believe me.\" And these were not inner city thugs either. They were affluent teens who had silver spoons(hmmmm, sounds familiar). Probably most of them went to Ivy League schools. Just one of dozens of stories I have to back up what I say.

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I have an idea, let\'s all complain about today\'s youth and the lack of respect they have for everything and everyone...oh wait, someone beat me to it. Basically, we can bang on and on about the decline of society, but it won\'t do any good. If you teach your children certain things, they will make educated decisions about their own life and therefore act a certain way. That is all that can be done for them.

Now if you just want to complain about it and have no solution to offer, than give it up, resign yourself to your own fate, and let the rest of us complain about things we intend to change.

Someone\'s point about the children being punished with adult crimes was in making the contradiction between punishing children for their crimes when their parents don\'t teach them right from wrong.

And about the 7 spoiled teen Mario Andrettis, that is pretty funny how you held them there. We all must admit that when we screw up, we would rather no one knew, and then we can deal with our own guilt. But when you know society is going to punish you also,do you willingly want outside punishment as well as self-imposed punishment? Especially if you think you can get away with the lesser of the two....

blah blah blah, blah blah...

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Gents,

When I was a lad, we didn\'t have anything like the amount of anti-social, testosterone powered attitude that I hear from todays \"yooth\". Their ignominious carping and total lack of respect for life, the universe or anything, makes me despair for the future of this planet. When they turn up on phero sites attempting to obtain advise on using chemicals to \"seduce\" women, it makes me consider how the time and effort might be better employed on learning the skill of lovemaking, and how to give pleasure to women rather than obtain \"gratification\" from them. Sums them up - the instant result generation. pre-packaged, microwavable, instant hit with added polyvendum.

..bah humbug.

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[Whitehall]

Reminds me a song from \"Bye Bye Birdie\" written back in the \'50s (starring Ann Margaret) where the parents sing...

\"Why can\'t they be like we were, perfect in every way... Oh what\'s a matter with kids today!\"

[marv14yag]

I\'m not going to argue, it does not matter. Do you want a prize because you were taught to repress all feelings etc, when YOU were a kid?

NOw, to what I asked...

What\'s his name says the girls like to flirt. Yes, this is so. However, girls won\'t flirt with you if you are ugly, etc. Or a geek or something. In addition, I seem to be flirted with, and hit on, and all that a L O T more than most people. However, I cannot hook up with them. Why this is, I do not know, that\'s what I was asking.

Why is it that for me, the girls are always constantly doing the stuff as I mentioned. When I say hits, flirting, maybe I was underexaggerating...They go to like the fine, fine, line between having sex and not.

Thing is...they will NEVER come over the line to hook up..(Not just sex)..

Why is it that they want to do this with me inparticuluar.

My theory was the the mones say that I WANT sex, but not anything about in the middle of it or something like that. Pheromones would be an amplifier for foreplay than is what I\'m saying.

Now...that being said, what can I do to change this? Yes, I go and talk to girls all the time, I get this shit from girls I don\'t know that are from different cities, younger girls, older girls (older as in...19 1/2 year olds older...compared to my 16 year old self). They ALL want to play with my fucking head like that..Now, I WOULD say, I\'m really just an ugly person, and they dont\' want to hook up..but than, if I were ugly, or unpopular, or have an social inability, I would not be able to firt with them so deeply, etc...

I\'m talking about, girls even WITH their fre*** boyfriends will hit on me like that sh****...Without..older, younger, I\'ll go over and talk to them..But when I try and get their number, or hook up, they don\'t want to and shit..this is annoying, very annoying.

Bart

[Whitehall]

May I suggest that the cause of your inability to establish a bond, connection, or intimacy with another human being is your attitude.

Also, the reason pointless profanity is not more commonly heard or read is that people react negatively towards the source. Profanity has its place and is used to express and share bad feelings - disgust, anger, disdain. Use profanity only when necessary and when your listeners will appreciate and empathize with your negative feelings - which is seldom.

No amount or type of pheromones will overcome what has to be changed from within.

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Dragon,

I have a suggestion as already stated. Keep children away from computers and credit cards. They do not need access to computers for hours a day of unsupervised surfing. I am not bashing the young for the sake of bashing. But while I\'m at it let me ask, why is it all the new music is just remakes of songs from the 80\'s? I\'ll tell you why...no talent or discipline to come up with something creative and new. It\'s the MTV generation of instant gratification for minimal effort.

The seven Mario snot noses......four of them ran into an establishment. My gf followed them and had security pick three of them up. Three remained outside in the parking lot with me and tried to pick a fight. All chest puffing as teens are, but not one would get within reach of my irritated grasp. So out of the seven, six were caught(one arrested, the others held until parents arrived) The seventh got away.

I TOTALLY disagree with you about the desire to get away. Driving is an ADULT PRIVILEDGE, not a right. One cannot cause a severe accident and then run like a scared child to avoid the consequences. Having adult priviledges such as driving carries with it adult responsibilities such as taking blame for an accident. Funny thing is, had they stayed at the scene I would have told the cops it was a \"no fault\" accident as both drivers were running yellow lights. But since they ran for five miles, physically confronted me, and showed a very selfish zero-remorse for the victims, I told the cops the kids ran a red light and nailed the other car. Since the driver was a minor I doubt he had much of a punishment. If that were me, however, I\'ll guarantee I\'d have served at least some time for fleeing the scene of an accident.

That\'s why children should not be allowed adult priviledges. Because without taking responsibility like an adult we will have chaos. A large percentage of convenience store robberies are committed by teens. Gee I wonder why? Could it be because they\'ll only serve an absolute maximum sentence of juvenile detention until age 18? Same goes for car theft. Until you go out to a parking lot and try to find a door to put your car key into without luck, you will not understand. Easily 75% of all car thefts in my area are committed by minors. Minimal consequences and they know it.

You see Dragon. It\'s not just bitching for the sake of bitching. It\'s bitching because parents nowdays are failing to bring up decent, civilized, respectful teens. Giving them a new computer and a cable modem as a babysitter makes life easier for the parent. But the long-term decay of society with respect to daily human interaction suffers. Children should be monitored AT HOME BY PARENTS. Unfortunately it\'s not going to happen as american parents are lazy.

I mainain that KIDS have no business trying to use pheromones to increase flirting. Every teen I\'ve ever interacted with thinks they are the \"responsible exception.\" That\'s why they see no problem with going to a Rave and jamming shit up their noses or taking a pill made in someone\'s basement...after all they are \"responsible adults\" in mindset. Turn 18 and jam all the shit you want up your nose, use all the pheros you want, bang all the broads you can, drink like a fish every night, or whatever floats you. But until then your parents need to live up to their legal responsibility of keeping you away from adult vices. And hopefully in the process make a courteous, responsible teen who will turn into a courteous, responsible member of society. And let me clarify because I know the new generation cannot read between lines. When I say \"you jam shit\" I\'m referring to the younger generation as a whole, not to you personally.

[camusflage]

Bart:
\"They ALL want to play with my fucking head like that..\" You know what it is? It\'s called part of being a male. Despite their almost unexplainable behavior (saying they\'re falling in love with you and only two days later making every effort to hide from/avoid you), we still pursue women. As far as that \"fine, fine line between having sex and not\", it\'s called high school, where you get as far as you can with whomever you can, and then lie to all your friends about how much further you got. Although seemingly for some, one physical relationship after another seems to be an ideal, and some are only capable of one on that level--both genders, this is not a goal for most, and it\'s not a (typical) behavior of a high school student. To expect otherwise is to not emerge from your masturbation-induced fantasy world. images/icons/smile.gif

To address the \"kids today are so much worse\" crowd.. No way. Now granted, I\'m only fifteen years removed from being initiated into teenhood, I really don\'t see all that much a difference. I\'ll freely admit I was quite the little shit when I was a kid. Frame it in the context of GWB. When it\'s you, it\'s youthful indescretion, when it\'s someone else, it\'s criminal behavior worth having your entire family kicked out of public housing over.

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Dude,

I never stole a car, robbed a 7-11, committed hit-and-runs, or even disrupted a movie for that matter. There is a clear difference in my mind between me as a youth and the selfish, punk attitudes out there today. Even my worst \"youthful indiscretion\" would be laughable by today\'s standards. Recently my community had a million dollar vandalism spree by some teens. This included breaking into schools, graffitti all over the place, smashing windows in stores at night etc. Who do you think did all this? You guessed it, punk ass, snot nosed teen brats. Who gets to pay for all of it? You guessed it, John Q. Taxpayer. Don\'t even try to compare youthful indiscretion like toilet papering a front yard to something like $1 Million in vandalism. I\'d much rather my tax money go to buying books and teacher salaries in school, not into repairing vandalism. Make the punk asses and their parents foot the bill for their poor upbringing.

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Stanbo

Now you\'re making me mad.

I\'m sorry but in my response to you not once was I obnoxious, judgemental, or rude. Not once did I hurl accusations or direct untoward comments. I strove to be polite and point out some things you might not have seen. I merely wished to change your opinion of a generation with which you have had bad experiences. Not once did I question your character as a person.

Perhaps I should start.

With this last three posts since I responded last, especially your post right after I responded, you have deliberately made intimations on who I am and what I might do. You insinuated that I am no different from the hit-and-run teenagers. Not only did you practically accuse me of such crimes, but you can\'t even come out straight and say it. You hide behind the sugar-coated patronizing and sarcastic tone of phrases such as \"Also, it\'s great you have ambitions and don\'t steal cars.\" and \"Sorry Ivy, but MOST kids nowdays are very rude and snot nosed.\"

Not do you insult me, but you do so after admitting that you merely skimmed my post. If you do not even read what I have to say, you have no right to answer in such a manner. In fact, even if you do, you have no right to judge me.

As a reporter, even if I only report for my school newspaper, I know the value of looking at all sides on a situation, no matter what I want the results to be. If, once again, you had taken the time to read what I wrote on this thread, you would know why I use pheromones. Yes, I use them so that guys will be more attracted to me. The very properties I value are those that make me less attractive to high school guys. I work hard, I\'m strong, I\'m smart. I would never act ditzy to get a guy. I would never change any part of me to get a guy. I know that when they mature these qualities will help, not hurt, me romantically. I\'m not bitter or anything. I\'m glad I am the way I am, but why not get a little edge now anyway? I don\'t see anything wrong with that. I\'m not trying to get guys in bed with me or anything. I have very high sexual morals, but I honestly don\'t see anything wrong with this. You could just as well say teenagers shouldn\'t wear makeup, perfume, or nice clothing. They shouldn\'t take showers, brush their hair, or clip their toenails. Because we do all these things merely to seem more attractive. What is wrong with that?

To address your credit card issue, I’ve only made one phero purchase to date and it was with a webcertificate, a gift I received from a relative. I intend to make all future purchases with mail order. You can’t stop that.

As for sending kids to prison for adult crimes, I was not criticising the morality of it. We are all entittled to our own opinions and I most assuredly don\'t begrudge you yours. I have my own opinions on the matter which are different from some of my friends, yet that does not stop us from being friends. What I was protesting was the fact that you said both that kids should go to real prisons and do real time AND that parents are teaching zero morals and ethics to their kids. I think these two statements are somewhat contradictory. If it\'s the fault of the parents, the kids should not go to real prisons. The argument that they should is usually based upon the supporting argument that they should know better at their age and it\'s their fault, not their parents\'. I was not in any way questioning your views on the matter.

I continue to believe firmly that, statistically speaking, you have too small a sampling size. My high school is large, consisting of 1500 people, and I know that the statement \"MOST kids nowdays are very rude and snot nosed.\" is false. To be sure, there are obnoxious kids. As a smart, slightly nerdy, kid, I\'ve had more than my share of bullies. But they are few and far between. Most kids are good.

Oh, and just to clear things up, stop calling me Ivy. I was never one of those affluent kids. I never had a silver spoon in my life. DON’T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS!

I grew up with parents studying for their Ph.D\'s, forking out the money they barely had while trying to raise a kid. I have so much respect for them. They love me and always tried to give me the best though we had little. They are exemplary parents, so please refrain from making derogatory statements directed towards all parents. I shall take them quite personally. Do you have any kids? I said earlier not to judge unless you know all the facts and that it is best not to judge at all. The same applies here.

I will go to an Ivy league school due to my own merit, and I will probably be paying off student loans until I\'m old and grey since money is not an issue in deciding, but it by no means defines who I am.

I define who I am.

Sincerely and even now politely and respectfully,
someone

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Dear board,

Thank you to everyone who defended me and expressed similar views. Thank you still more to those who expressed reservations about my generation but expressed them politely and gently, in the form of constructive criticism and advice rather than accusations and rants. I\'m sorry I didn\'t respond to you all in my last post, but my anger, though contained, got the better of me and all I could think of was responding to Stanbo\'s inflamatory posts. I did not mean to leave you out. Not in the slightest.

I respect every one of you.

Sincerely,
someone

[camusflage]

Stan:
I know you never did. Neither did I. I did run from the police, 24 pack of beer in my hands, at 15 years old. I was smoking grass at 13. I did normal kid stuff. Some do worse (eg, vandalism, hit and runs). Others would have been abhorred by my behavior sometimes. Still though, for all the things I did, I still managed to turn out a pretty decent human being.

I did, however, have occasion to glimpse back upon some of my younger writings when Google recently opened up the Usenet archives back to 1980. I had one post, at 17 years old, in response to someone saying some religious stuff, \"Shit, Jesus died for my sins? I better make them worth his while then!\" Who, but a \"snot nosed punk\", would say something like that?

If you really want to get riled up about something in society these days, how about the almost abject lack of any altruism whatsoever. The whole \"greatest good for the most people\" school of thought seems to have been utterly forgotten. \"Is the glass half full or half empty,\" has been replaced with \"Who the hell stole half my milk?\" This meme started LONG ago, dating back to our parents\' parents (if not furthern) and the thought that the government somehow \"owes\" us something, and if we\'re not getting what we\'re owed, be it larger Pell grants, bigger tax breaks, or fatter Social Security checks, we\'re getting screwed. Of course, I don\'t vent vituperatively about it online--I try to set an example every day and in every way.

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Enough of this. Why let yourself get all riled up over a few words on a computer screen. Children should be studying languages, mathematics, history... and not surfing pheromone sites. Take it how you will, but it\'s the truth. You are a MINOR. There are places in the world for kids, places for adults, and places for both. KIDS do not belong on pheromone sites. Get all upset if you want, but it\'s not going to make you age another 2 1/2 years overnight. Post all the bratty comments you like. I, however, refuse to continue arguing with children. So do not expect replies to any questions. Tell mommy and daddy the Ph.D\'s how you are using pheromones at your age to attract boys and see how they feel about it.(cause you and I both know whatever you post here, they have no idea you\'re using pheros to attract boys)

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Stan, in defense of Someone, she sounds quite well-spoken for her age, though more than slightly emotional at this point, lay off her will ya. How many teenagers do you know, anyway, or are you judging by the actions of say, 4 or 5? It\'s like saying Germans are bad because there once was a man named Hitler.

\'Slinger out.

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Bruce, what´s your opinion about selling pheromones to minors?

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Stan, now you\'re just being a dick. You\'re an angry person, and you need to assess where this anger is coming from, and stop trying to take it out on others. You are quite beligerent, and you aren\'t being polite or fair to anyone whose opinion is opposite yours.

There is nothing wrong with kids being on the internet. It\'s all about knowledge. How you use that knowledge is determined by your own education and your own beliefs. Saying that kids shouldn\'t be allowed to surf phero sites is stupid. What next? Decide that since you are an atheist, that people shouldn\'t be allowed to read the bible (example, like you said, read between the lines, not literally \"YOU\".) How ignorant...it\'s so funny that you\'re so quick to judge.

I was \"babysat\" as you say, by a computer and the internet at age 14 or 15. Granted, I had my share of society\'s less favorably viewed endevours, such as porn, hacking, and the infamous \"Anarchist\'s Cookbook\". Does that mean that today I am some vandal punk thug? Hell no! I\'m a senior in Computer Engineering at my University, graduate in 1 month. Top of my class, all around great guy. I made certain decisions about the person I wanted to be long ago. Everyone makes those decisions for themselves, early in life, whether you keep knowledge away or not. So your generalisms really must cease before (too late) you upset someone.

Maybe all this anger and fingerpointing is just an outward manifestation of your own sadness about your life and your inability to achieve something in your life...

Ok, enough jokes and stories. You think it is wrong for a minor to be on this site and to be buying pheros. Most do not agree with you, and probably b/c your opinion is pretty ignorant. Bottom line: If a person can show some intelligence and ability to use a product with that intelligence, then why not? If kids really want to get sex, and that is all they want, there are other, easier, faster, cheaper, and more reliable ways to get it. It seems that most of the people here are looking for attraction...a little bit more long term than 1 night stands.

So lets all be a bit more accepting of others. And try not to be a dick, ok Stan?

[drchaos]

ms someone, regarding that hot and cold guy


You seem very strong and capable in many ways, but you are approaching the guy inappropriately.

Guess what? The pheromones may have already worked---he is flirting with you when you are in physical proximity.

The fact that he isn\'t attentive outside your class cannot be rectified by pheromones.

Remember, pheros alter immediate, low-level emotional states. That\'s it. They won\'t change screwed up social behavior.

Another question is whether you want this guy as a friend (only) or for more than that. Do you just want to get public recognition in the same social-climbing game as you decry in him? Or do you want him to ask you on a date?

If he is nice and flirty in class then try this---when you see him out of class continue to assume that he will be nice and flirty and go up to him just like you are friends etc and act exactly like you were in class. Do it twice.

If both times he acts cold and like he is embarassed, then when you two are alone again you must let him know you don\'t like it.

You have to consider the possibility he likes flirting with you but doesn\'t want to date you. There are two potential reasons (a) social weirdness (b) he is not attracted to you. It may be erroneous to assume it is (a) and not (b).

what college you going to?

Dr Princeton

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could u guys stop talking about young people wearing mones.and im not looking four sex.i just want a product that will get a lot of attention from girlz. im not ugly or nothin its just i dont get that much of attention any more from girls, 2 years ago i use to be popular with the girlz but since this one dude came to my school girlz dig him. i dont know if he wearin mones but he got a lot of girlz talking to him,fliting,hugging him,and they be all up on him.im just wondering what product can get me like that ? i already have soe,xcite,and citrus oil.

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There are some guys out there who women play with and not any more its called being in the LJBF club

Lets just be friends club my suggestion to those that are complaining of this work out build up go at it hard and then see what happens at least when they are flirting with you and nothing happens you can say something along the lines of well ive got this fucking awesome body and the stupid bitch wants some skinny weisel and im smart and good looking and she is the one fucked up and say it to her friends.

Learn NLP and seriously abuse it it is the one best tool known to mankind. Also speed and fast seduction are derivitatives of this new artform of reading people quite useful for going places as well.

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im just looking for a product that will get them interested in me that will make them like me and be around me a lot. any suggestions ?

[aaron]

This is getting waaaay out of hand.

Bigshot: Getting a woman\'s attention and holding it are two completely different things.
Getting a woman\'s attention is easy...combination of looks, money, position, power, physique etc.
For those who don\'t have all, or any combination of the above, pheromones will probably get you noticed.
However, once you\'ve been noticed, it\'s going to take a whole lot more than pheromones or material possessions (unless the lady happens to be very shallow) to keep her interested in you.
It\'s a question of personality and attitude. If you smile at people, they\'ll smile back. If you\'re nice to them, they\'ll be nice to you, especially if you\'ve caught their attention.
Being nice, polite, a gentleman, refraining from profanity in ther presence (believe me...they will not be impressed), will get you a lot further than an aggressive attitude. I would also suggest patience. There\'s no use rushing things. You\'re 14 years old!!!! You have your life ahead of you and plenty of time to take over the the things that matter.
You have quite an attitude, and I sense an anger. Chill out! Don\'t take life that seriously at your age. Life\'s too short, and we spend a long time dead.

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monkey,

Because you are an adult I will reply(I don\'t argue with children)

Point 1: Just because you have lived a wild life and still managed to obtain college degrees and made money does not mean that it\'s ok to instill these values in today\'s youth. There are countless alcoholic/drug addict/\"out of control\" historical figures. Their accomplishments do not make up for their lifestyle.

Point 2: Where\'s the written law that says every human has to be well-liked and slow to anger? I have just as much right to be angry about kids using pheromones as someone else has to be angry about whatever trips them. For some people criticizing religion makes them angry. For others going to war over economics such as oil makes them angry. It\'s a very egocentric viewpoint to demand that every human conform to your standards of well-liked, not angry, and popular. I choose to tell people what I think instead of keeping it inside to be polite. Oh well, live with it. I get angry at people who insist I conform to their behavioral norms.

Point 3: Unless we are going to break down every law pertaining to minors, then inevitably this issue will find its way to the political forefront sometime in the future. As soon as general opinion accepts that pheromones work there\'s going to be that 100% guaranteed 20/20 or 60 Minutes story about kids using pheros to attract sexual attention. And in a few years when that happens Congress will start regulating pheros just like they have to regulate porn, alcohol, drugs, firearms, fireworks, etc. So, embrace the children if you like. But bowing to the PC attitude of letting kids do whatever they want is going to invariably lead to pheromones being legislated as a controlled substance. I prefer a simpler approach. Remind them that they are still children and do not possess all of the priviledges of an adult.

Point 4: Part of being an adult in a civilized society is having to listen to differing opinions. If as many people are reading these posts as others have stated, then statistically speaking there are many, many readers out there who agree with my opinion at least in part. Chances are they are just silent watchers. And if they are not silent they still will not admit they agree with me because it\'s not PC to talk the way I do. But that\'s ok. I certainly understand it\'s easier to not say anything rather than say someting politically incorrect nowdays. I, however, have always been politically incorrect and have no desire or motivation to change.

Point 5: Children should have restricted access to certain aspects of adult society. Children should not be allowed to

-go to bars and get drunk
-purchase alcohol, firearms, porn, etc.
-go to nightclubs, take X, and have one night stands
-BUY pheromones to attract sexual attention

Wait and see.....a few years this stuff will be banned and you\'ll have to buy it on the black market like drugs. All because children will start using them and instead of obtaining guidance at home(as it should be) we will legislate morality in Congress. Then, and only then, will you start to see that maybe the StanBo perspective(as dickish and non-PC as it is) might actually have had some merit. But then it will be too late and once again adults will have lost priviledges due to children trying to grow up too fast and nobody having the balls to tell a kid they are still a kid.

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Point if they work out and exercise and eat healthily everyone including teenages pump this stuff out like there is no tomorrow to regulate pheros one would have to regulate people make em shower 10 times a day and use tons of deodorant.
So i dont think that this will happen for that to happen then the authorities will have to acknowledge and religious authorites will have to say yes this stuff is really what causes human sexual attraction. Power structures would crumble the world is run by alpha mlaes and they aint going to let anyone become an alpha male are they ???

Everything would fall apart lol. Regulation wont work the best they can hope for is that this stuff stays like it has for ages buried and mostly out of site although the large majority of drug and perfume producers (drug - medical i mean) will not let that happen with such a discovery. Hence marketability at the best it will make women more honest when they say they dont love their husband anymore or try to explain an affair well the man will have the comeback

DO YOU FIND HIS PHEROMONES MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN MINE and then can set about pulling her to peices when she starts to lie because she wont be able to bullshit her way out anymore.

It will also make alpha males more responsible with who they screw with because everyone will be able to fight back and wear them back to the rest of us.

Just future thoughts people take em up and talk about them very througly.

[camusflage]

Stan:
I really don\'t know why I\'m replying.. This has strayed so far off the subject of pheromones that it\'s not even funny. Still though, some of your statements bear a bit of analysis.

To start, \"I choose to tell people what I think instead of keeping it inside to be polite.\" It\'s your right. It\'s also known in many circles as being utterly lacking in tact, will earn near-universal scorn, is looked down upon by many as a serious personality deficiency, and cannot be offset by using pheros. (ob phero content).

Moving on, \"I get angry at people who insist I conform to their behavioral norms.\" This from the person who gets all bunged up about kids not meeting his view of behavioral norms? Never mind the view about \"kids\" (in the loosest sense of the term; age of consent in some countries is far below that of the US) and their computer usage. I had near-unfettered computer use as a youngster, from the age of nine when we got our first computer on. After countless thousands of hours logged using them, I\'m here today, a computer professional nearly twenty years later, widely respected by my peers in a Fortune 250 as being the authority on internet application technologies. In fact, when I was twelve and thirteen, I had people convinced that I was a college student, surprising them when we met for a BBS party.

Further, you talk about people behaving like adults, and that kids don\'t behave like adults. Far be it from me to judge, but you admitted to committing a rather serious crime, along with a major lapse in judgement, when you \"told the cops the kids ran a red light and nailed the other car.\" That is hardly the behavior of an adult, is it? Adults make decisions based upon logic and reason, whereas children make decisions based upon impulse and emotion. Assuming it sprung from a desire to see the little bastards pay, a running theme in your comments, it shows uncivil behavior of the highest order. A judge, so empowered by the people, is who determines guilt and innocence in this country and metes out justice. Not you. By giving a false statement, you destroy the very foundations our system of justice is built upon--those which in the same breath you claim to so sanctimoniously uphold.

If you\'re going to rant and rave about the behavior of adults versus children, I strongly suggest you examine your own behavior first. Saying what\'s on your mind whenever it hits it is very impulsive. Thinking that you can be a better parent than most out there is somewhat closed-minded. Giving a false statement (ie, something you sign your name to) to a police officer is illegal, regardless of how you want to rationalize it. It\'s (probably, depending on your system) immoral if you have any diety by which to form your system of morality, and it\'s unethical regardless.

Age is a number. Maturity is subjective. In the words of an anonymous wise man, \"Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.\" You want to gripe and complain about the lack of maturity in teenagers, yet you yourself have shown far less than some teenagers around us in this very forum.

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- I consider hypocrisy and not telling your true feelings a character flaw. I can\'t help it if you let other\'s opinions influence you. I consider telling the truth a stronger character trait than brown nosing to appease peoples\' opinions.

- I do not expect others to conform to my behavioral norms. I expect adult sexuality to be left to adults. How is that requiring conform?

- The light was red when they exited the scene. That\'s what I told the cops. Had the kids acted appropriately and adult-like(as teens so often tout to behave like...responsible) I would have told the cops it was a no fault. I\'ve never claimed to be the moral voice of the planet.

- Saying what\'s on my mind is the truth. If this is impulsive, then yes I am impulsive.

- So if I think I\'m a worse parent then I\'m open minded? With your logic having any kind of opinion at all means you are closed minded.

- Why must one have a diety to form a moral system? To me that is a sign of a weak mind. As an adult, if you need someone else(human or diety) to tell you what is right and wrong then you have an underdeveloped psyche. Medical doctors that drive a Ferrarri bought with money received from cancer patients and aids patients is, to me, immoral and unethical. I know many people in medicine. When I ask why they chose it as a career all of them say the very same thing; firstly money, secondly helping people. To my moral system this is repulsive.

- I\'m not on the planet to be a role model to teens. I\'m not griping about lack of maturity, that is expected in teens. I\'m griping about lack of morals. There are many mature adults without morals.

Well there ya go paragraph by paragraph. I\'m not going to reply to this juvenile banter any more. You consider me the underdeveloped mind. Trust me the feeling is very, very reciprocal.

[Naughtymonkey]

I cannot believe this thread, nor what I am reading from StanBo~ you really do need to have a word with yourself.

NM
32.5 years old.
Formally a tearaway, have smoked pot and gone to raves, drop pills, stuffed powder up my nose but have more letters after my name than in it, earn a shed load of money and a rising star in my profession, happy, balanced, popular, liked, and rarely angry.......

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

I\'m sorry, but I just can\'t stop laughing! I\'m sorry, but \"Post all the bratty comments you like. I, however, refuse to continue arguing with children.\"? My goodness!

At first, I took you seriously. Oh, sorry, I took HIM seriously. That\'s right, he\'s not reading this images/icons/laugh.gif images/icons/laugh.gif I mean, I give everyone here a modicum of respect. I actually gave a damn about what he thought, so I tried to convince him. Maybe that\'s why I came across a little emotional (sorry slinger images/icons/smile.gif ), because I cared, even a little.

Gee, now that\'s a burden that\'s lifted off my shoulders. HAHAHA!!! Post all the bratty comments I want? This coming from mr. i-wish-all-teenagers-be-analy-raped? That is too rich. I mean, I agree with telling people what I think, but not at the expense of being polite. And \"I, however, refuse to continue arguing with children.\"? Can\'t you just see his upturned nose? Oh my!

I\'m sorry, but now that I\'m no longer goin\' for a lost cause, trying to convince you...um him...that kids are decent human beings, I can lighten up. Thanks Stan, you really made my day.

Chaos-heehee, i love your name. Fabulous.

Anyway, that was how he acted BEFORE pheros. And to give him the benefit of the doubt, I\'ve been too much of a chickenshit to approach him when he\'s surrounded by his friends. There\'s been like one or two instances but I can\'t tell if it\'s him not seeing me and I\'m being paranoid or if it\'s really screwed social behaviour. I like to think the best of people but...hell high shool social behaviour\'s not all that pleasant and I\'m once bitten twice wise images/icons/smile.gif

Oh and Harvard, if I can get in images/icons/smile.gif If not, I\'ve yet to choose from the others.

naughtymonkey: You tell it! I think that you\'re accomplishments DO make up for your \"wild life\". What, are we going to disregard the accomplishments of those historical figures that save countless lives and condemn them because they kinda screwed up their own? Never mind that they straightened up. Hear hear: If you\'ve ever done anything bad in your life, you suck. And I don\'t care if you pull me out of a burning building! I\'d rather you let me burn.

I\'m sorry guy\'s I\'m going to laugh again images/icons/smile.gif

Go monkey!

Bigshot: I agree arron wholeheartedly. Phero\'s, just like looks, get a girl\'s attention I suppose. But unless you have more than that you\'re out of luck unless you\'ve found a really shallow girl and you don\'t want her anyway, bigshot. I used to like this guy and after customary flirty I realized he liked me too. However, after the said flirting, I dropped him like a nasty habbit. Why? Because the guy couldn\'t stop talking about himself. No other subject came out of his mouth. We\'re still friends, sorta, cause he\'s really nice, but I dislike spending time with him even as friends. If you\'re interesting and sweet, if you\'ve got wit and humor, if you\'ve got treasures unseen just below the surface, then phero\'s will work best.

At least that\'s what I\'m hoping images/icons/wink.gif

See ya guys, and good luck to all.
someone

[Naughtymonkey]

StanBo~ I am sorry you feel the way you do. This is not some false sympathy, but I do really feel sorry that you view the world as you do. I personally wake up every day with a excitement, not contrived, but with a genuine interest in people I know, places I would like to see but most of all experiences I will savour. I may be the wrong side of 30, but life is RICH, not the sad, depressed, and angry view you have. Please do have a word with yourself. You are not alive.

NM

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This thread is way to long, so I\'m gonna make this as brief as I can:

StanBo, while you may be parially correct in your assesment of the situation, you have basically said that you think all children are criminals.

Second, you obviously care more about retribution than you do about correcting whatever problems today\'s youth may have.

I did all sorts of stupid shit when I was younger. No vandalism, but I did a lot of drugs, stole stuff, ran from the cops at night when they caught us drinking, etc. Hate to break it to you, but this is normal kid stuff. Your generation did plenty of it too.

All the street-scum kids you see around you have been around for a very, very long time. They just used to dress and talk different.

Anyways, we all know you\'re just jealous images/icons/smile.gif