Andro-1 Mixing, Feedback, and Experiences

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Seems like we have multiple threads of andro-1 talk going on. Maybe, we can combine them in this thread, so no one misses anything.

[xvs]

Great!

My first question is:

\"When you smell your andro1, what does it smell like?\"

Does it have:

a) a very persistent odor of urine & sweat
b) a mild odor, mainly masked by the alcohol

Thanks!

[Irish]

It smells like -none, but not as sharp and not as strong. Not as distinctly bad as -none, but not pleasant by any means. On clean skin it\'s difficult for me to smell unless a lot is applied. Overnight on skin the smell is stronger, different, and has probably converted somewhat into other chemicals.

It gave me a spacy feeling and an alpha-male buzz at first, a lot like when I first started using -none products. After a few hours it gave me a dull persistent headache and killed my energy. This has happened twice now.

2 conservative tests so far. In both cases started with shower with antibacterial soap to head and body. Then applied pheros and covered with 4 light sprays of cologne total: to hair, neck and hands.

Case 1. A1 diluted to .08 mg/ml, sprayed out of old TE bottle. 1 spray to hair, one to neck, one to collar. Also a mix [components given in mg/ml concentration of the total mix solution] of .08 A1, .01 none, and .03 nol …..applied with small roller dispenser to neck both sides. Young female acquaintances were animated, came close, but no comments on scent and only mild flirting. Previously with same women using TE or nol-heavy mix have had much stronger reactions (overt flirting, sustained physical contact, propositions, DIHL etc).

Case 2. Mix of .12 A1, .08 none, .08 nol, 3 sprays as before. Same mix applied as \'refresher\' in small amounts to neck through the evening. Results in public about the same, a little more intense - animated pleasant conversation, nothing overt. Gf was affectionate and seemed drawn to the application areas, but this is not unusual for her.

So far about as expected. A study I read on it said it was a mood elevator, not a sex attractant. Will try higher concentrations, but I think it\'s main value may be after you\'ve had the woman close to you for a while. The headache is a real downer for me though. But I do think A1 will figure into future mixes for me.

So far the best attention-getter I\'ve tried is a very nol-heavy mix, with comments on the good smell, hair-twirling from several feet away, DIHL, etc. Unfortunately nol-smell is a disgusting stench to me. TE AND Andro 4.2 together got me an amazing aggressive series of hits, but I\'m always afraid I smell like a wet dog with that on. Too bad all this stuff has \'side effects\' for the wearer! Still searching for the perfect mix.

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Well, if andro-1 is a mood elevator, it may work better in the long run with people you see repeatedly, but not as well for hits with girls you just met. If you elevate a girls mood everytime she talks to you, I think she\'ll eventually be drawn to you. The first few times, she may attribute the mood elevation to something else. So, maybe andro-1 is a bonding pheromone. =)

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This falls completely in line with our mood elevation theory. =)

Slate Drake wrote,

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More fun with my Andro1!!

Ok...After Monday\'s fun and games I wanted to give the Andro1 another try, see if there could be
any consistency to this product, or if Monday night was just a fluke.

Last night after getting my hair cut I stopped off at home and applied three drops to my chest, one
under each arm, and one on each side of my neck and wrists. I\'m at a total of about 9 drops
again...a little cologne over all, and I\'m out the door.

When I arrived over at my girl\'s house, she was in a terrible mood! Bad day at work, didn\'t want to go
to dinner as planned, just very grouchy and I\'m pretty sure PMSing.

I was hungry so we got a little dinner and then decided to watch some TV. As soon as we were sitting
next to each other she started to get really affectionate. Kissing my neck, nuzzling on my shoulder,
looking at me, touching my hands. We hang out and talk and watch a movie on HBO and all the
while she is constantly touching, kissing and paying attention to me.

Ok, so we’re all on the same page, this is NOT normal behavior for her. Usually if she\'s in a pissed
off mood, she stays that way for a little while and there really isn\'t much I can do about it except give
her some space and let her chill out a little. She will not be all touchy-feely when she\'s like this, and
we tend to argue (big surprise there...). She never becomes affectionate after being grumpy either, it
takes her a while to come around in the emotional circle.

So this dramatic change was very encouraging. We continue watching the movie for a little while, but
then we start having some heavier kissing sessions and one thing leads to another....

Ok, so now I’m having a very nice time a little less than 1 * hours after initially arriving at her house.
Her mood has done a complete 180 and she’s talkative, fun, excited, and extremely aroused.
Needless to say, one of the better nights in the last three weeks.

God bless Andro1...or at least the scientists that came up with this crazy concoction.

My honest, subjective opinion at this point is that for ME, in my circumstance the Andro1 is providing
some decent results. Not sure how this will work on the \"hits\" or picking-up chicks (Not my scene...I
don\'t play around) but it really does seem to make my girl more relaxed, more attentive to me,
happier, and definitely more aroused.... hey man, that\'s ALL I ever wanted!

Today at work I have basically the same setup with the Andro1. Nine drops or so, and some SOE on
the neck with my normal cologne. Haven\'t really noticed anything out of the ordinary in these type of
situations though....the only exception being some other guys that seem to be a little more
submissive around me...but it could be just my interpretation as well...though call.

Ok, how\'s everyone else doing with this stuff?? Any other suggestions??

Slate \"

[Irish]

The down side is the same study reported a negative mood impact on men when exposed to A1. She\'ll be happy, you\'ll be slightly depressed! Great - no wonder I got a headache.

In the minute amounts released naturally it\'s not an issue I wouldn\'t think. The study was applying about 2.4mug at a point source (I assume) directly under the nose. My survey of the lit. indicates about 0.03mug per sq inch occurring naturally on the male skin, and then only in a few locations like armpit. So the effect in the study, and in the way we are now applying the stuff, is definitely an overdose compared to nature.

Pair-bonding really makes sense as nature\'s purpose for A1, since in the tiny amounts occurring naturally on the male it would only have an effect if the female was in close contact, and probably for an extended time. She would feel a subtle improvement in mood when with him, and a loss of that good feeling when they were separated. I would speculate it\'s designed to improve the bond between a couple already in close contact, if it doesn\'t work as an attractant. Maybe some of the other pheros draw them in sexually - and with extended close contact A1 cements a more lasting bond. Who knows - I\'ll leave these questions to the philosophers.

Maybe everything is controlled by these chemicals!

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Good point, Irish, about the negative effect on men. This is why it may be important to find a minimum dose that has its positive effect on women while not causing too large of a negative effect on the male wearer. Slate, can you try lowering the dosage on your girlfriend? =). According to Oscar, there\'s about 40-45 drops per ml of andro-1. So, 9 drops could be about 0.20 mg (200 mug). The 10 ml bottle will last only 50 days at this rate!

I\'m beginning to test 0.02 mg on my shirt today.

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My experience so far also supports the theory that Andro-1 makes a girl\'s mood more positive, but not necessarily in an immediate sexual way. In the past two or three days I\'ve noticed that several female friends who are always a little grumpy are more friendly after a few minutes of exposure. No overt flirting, but much more relaxed and playful.

[slatedrake]

Count me in!

I won\'t have a chance to try it tonight (biz dinner) but I\'ll scale back the A1 to no more than 4 drops and see what happens Thursday night.

Side note - I didn\'t experience any any negative reactions to wearing the 9 drops. I was in a pretty damn good mode all night (yeah...another big surprise) and felt really good right up till I went to bed around midnight (applied the A1 around..6:30pm). I did feel a little dizzy perhaps, but nothing more than a mild effect.

Definitely no headaches and I maintained an up energy level all night. Felt pretty good this morning, aside from being a little sleepy.

Ok, need to go wine and dine. Later gents.

Slate

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OK, passed my first 24 hours with andro-1. No strong evidence one way or the other yet. Science is tough. =P.

Well, if the mood enhancement theory is correct, the positive effects may take weeks to unfold as people begin to associate you with feeling good. =).

[Watcher]

Could have interesting use as a counter agent to none if one wants to go none only then this stuff could balance and then add nol rone and couplins and you could really have an interesting mixture. Now all we need is a product with all five ?????

Keep up the good work truth you are a welcome counter balance on the forum.

[xvs]

I experienced a bit of lowered mood with A1... not anything like the depression androstenone caused in me, but still a bit lowered.

I found this reference (\"http://www-news.uchicago.edu/science-coalition/chemical-signals.html\") to the study which found that A1 improved women\'s moods. The dosage she used was 2.4 micrograms on the upper lip.

Assuming that you want to use 10 times that dosage on yourself to insure that it gets across, the 10ml bottle would contain approximately 416 applications.

What do y\'all think of that calculation?

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[Bruce]

Yeah, thanks for the link. I read that study quite a while ago I think but had forgotten about it. Never would have guessed Martha M looked like that.
Bruce

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2.4 mug of andro-1 on the upper lip sounds like a substantial dosage to me, considering how close it\'s to the nose. We definitely have to use more than 2.4 mug on ourselves to get an equivalent effect on women. How much more is hard to say.

I had once hypothesized a \"square\" law with distance vs. phero concentration in the air (i.e., twice the distance equals 1/4 th the concentration in the air). Considering that you\'re likely at least 10 times as far from the girl\'s nose as her upper lip, you\'d need 100x the dose. However, on further thought, I think the square law is not valid, since the air around you can saturate and be approximately the same concentration.

Any further thouhgts on this?

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By the way, has anyway got an OD reaction with their andro-1 dosage yet?

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My girlfriend was in a great mood yesterday and a pretty good mood today. If she is in a good mood tomorrow, I\'m sold. Again, nothing sexual, but in my mind Andro-1 is well worth the money (especially if you are living with a female who should be experiencing PMS that normally makes me want to move out).

[a.k.a.]

Just tried it once so far, but I can’t tell the difference from -none. It seems to smell and work just the same. What I don’t understand is how you guys can get away with such high dosages and concentrations. I wore two dabs at .25mg/ml and got a lot of head turning and some nice smiles.

Didn’t try to chat anyone up to see about that mood elevating theory. I’ve been trying to kick this flu and haven’t been feeling too sexy lately. But I might run further “tests” tonight.

Anyway, so far it seems like good stuff and the price is relatively nice.

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Aumen, so your girlfriend is rarely in a good mood multiple days in a row?

a.k.a., I\'m wondering about the large dosages myself. If no one reports an OD with up to 10 drops, I may play with heavier doses. I rely on the board for OD limits because I can\'t smell -none or andro-1 myself. 2 dabs of 0.25 mg/ml would probably give you only 0.01 mg. Hmm... And you got head turns with the low dosage. =).

Nothing dramatic for me yet (mostly work environment), but I\'ll give it more exposure this weekend. I guess those normally grumpy girls might be good testing grounds.

[a.k.a.]

truth,

I’m a die-hard minimalist when it comes to quantity (the point is to lure women closer, not flood the room with your presence), but I’m not afraid to try high concentrations.

all,

I just got back from trying a drop of 1mg/ml between my wrists. I tested at a bookstore and only got two hits, but they were quite strong. One was a girl that kept walking past my chair as I read. ( A lot of chest protruding and hip swinging.) One time she brushed my hand as she walked by, and it was pretty clear she was trying to attract my attention. Another was a very confident looking lady that caught my gaze from about ten feet away, smiled broadly and held my gaze as she sashayed by. (Made me turn and look, and she was still smiling at me as she walked away.)

Didn’t notice any negative reactions, but then again I didn’t try to interact with anyone. (I’m probably in no shape to be testing pheromones, but I couldn’t just leave the stuff sitting in my cabinet without giving it a shot.)

PS Didn’t notice any depressant effects, even though I wasn’t in the best of spirits to begin with. In fact I felt a nice little burst of energy.

I did feel a bit loopy and some sinus pressure, but that could have been the virus and my cold medication.

[a.k.a.]

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truth -- phero\'s aren\'t light projected onto a furface, they\'re chemicals distributed into a volume of air. So it shouldn\'t be a square law, but a cube law.

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Scientist, at first I jumped into the cube log theory like you, but then I thought that your nose (or VNO) is a surface area that the concentration interacts with, so it should be a squared law. A cube law would really put the effect at minimal any where after a few feet from you. 10 times from the nose, would give 1/1000th the concentration.

However, I think both laws are wrong, since once the pheros are dispersed in the air, it evens out. It\'s not like light or gravity. Perhaps, the cube or square law would be applicable outdoors on a windy day when the air never stays put.

More thoughts?

[PHP 87]

a.k.a. - \"only\" two hits?

LOL!

[slatedrake]

BUMP

Very cool study xvs, nice find!

Off to my girl\'s house tonight, I\'ll try the four drops and report back.

Slate

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So, a.k.a., did you need to put any cologne on when you rubbed a drop between your wrists? Sounds like the A-1 smell is mild enough that perhaps, 1 drop doesn\'t need much of mask.

[xvs]

Tonight I used the following:

- three smears of -nol, 1mg/ml (chemistry set). What I do is shake the bottle and then smear outside of the dropper bottle on my cheek, while rotating it. No idea exactly what dosage this is, but I think less than or equal to a \'drop\'.

- two smears of A1 on the throat

- two smears of my new proprietary cologne (scents only, no pheromones -- I plan to test this on women and if they like it I may offer it as a mainstream pheremone-free cologne product) on another part of the throat.

The combination makes this unfortunately not such a great test of A1.

What I found:

No \"hits\" per se, in that women didn\'t stop in their tracks and try to seduce me, but uniformly every one that I talked to was happy to talk to me, and seemed to think I was a great guy (which I am, of course, but women don\'t always respond to me that way).

Even when I said inane things that I think would usually have produced not much of a response, the women invariably took them seriously, thought they were funny or nice, and wanted to talk to me more.

Could be a coincidence, but I think this combination (and who knows, it could be my cologne!) makes women at least more receptive. No evidence it makes them horny (though one woman did ignore her boyfriend and talked to me for quite a while before deciding he looked sad in the corner by himself).

So far so good!

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Nice post. I\'m also interested in testing out -nol without the -rone, but the closest thing I have is SOE.

-nol and andro-1 sounds like a promising combo. =). This was what I was using before coming to the forum -- a spray of Jovan Musk2 (androstenol cologne) and Realm for Women (andro-1). I never got great hits, but I think women had a slightly higher opinion of me. Now, I can apply a known dosage of both with the chem kits, but the -nol is overpriced at $90 for 10 mg. =P.

[xvs]

What\'s your experience with the -nol plus -rone vs. just -nol? I\'ve never tried anything with -rone in it and have been wondering if it\'s worth trying.

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I just haven\'t had any success with AE or SOE, and I\'m worried that it\'s the -rone.

[travis]

Truth,

Any results in Andro1?

Travis

[slatedrake]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times....

Ok, here’s the story of my test with four drops.

Yesterday was nuts at work and as I was walking in the door to my apartment, my little sister called me from Chicago to tell me about this new job she just hooked up with. I’m in a huge hurry because I’m supposed to be over at my girl’s house about half an hour ago already. So I’m running upstairs, cleaning up a little, washing my face, talking to her, trying to respond intelligently and putting on some fresh clothes. I open up my bottle of A1 and give a little sniff and place in on my dresser. Go back in the bathroom, take a piss, brush my teeth talk to the sis, back to the bedroom, grab the bottle by the top of the dropper…..

WHAM….I forgot that the A1 was already open and the bottle topples to the floor where it begins to spill out. I drop like a rock and right the bottle but not before about half spilled. Oh well, no crying over spilled steriodial compounds, so I wrap it up with my sis and begin to try and ‘pick-up’ some of the spilled A1 with the dropper…that doesn’t work well to say the least….so, I basically take two fingers and dab them in the spilled solution, and apply to ‘finger paints’ behind my ears and two on my neck (one on either side). Mop up the rest of the A1 with a crappy towel and out the door I go. Yes, I am over this little micro-crisis…I was pissed at the time, but Ce’ La Vie.

Now, my girl is on day two of her period, and she has already called me twice while I was talking to my sis…”where are you!!” Stuff like that…I know that this is now going to be a real test because her mood is pretty crappy.

I role into her place around 7pm or so and she just give me this glaring look…won’t even speak to me…I put some stuff down in the kitchen, and swing around to the front room to sit next to her on the couch and give her a little peck on the cheek. Initially she’s a little cold, but within like a MINUTE she’s kissing my neck, smiling, holding my hand and looking at me with love in her eyes!

I sh*t you not!!! It was like someone turned on a friggin’ switch or something. She’s then in a really great mood the rest of the night! Chatty, very UP!, and in some ways exhibiting behavior that I would normally associate with her being a little drunk. We hangout and watch a flick, talk and basically cuddle until we both fall asleep around 11 or so. So nothing sexual obviously, but from a mood enhancement perspective…UN-FVCKIN-REAL!

So, I have no idea at all if I used four drops or not, I would think it was right around there, but easily could have been 5-6 using the ‘finger-dab’ method. The point being here, that I’ve had three consecutive positive experiences in my situation with the A1. I’m totally happy with the results thus far, and I can’t wait to see what other results I can come up with.

So far I certainly have to say that the A1 has had very, very strong positive mood enhancement properties in regard to my specific situation. My girl has had three abrupt turns in three days…baby sign me up for the A1 fan club!

Much like a.k.a., I also didn’t notice any depressant effects whatsoever, in direct contrast, I also felt a little ‘buzzed’… not like the kind of nasty phero buzz I’ve had when I OD’d on NPA, but just a nice little mild feeling of euphoria and a little confidence. Didn’t seem to turn over into anything else as the night progressed either, I kept my happy little state until I fell asleep at night.

Ok, that’s my story and I’m sticking with it, now I want to hear how everyone else is doing.

Oh yeah!

Bruce – Any chance that A1 may go totally commercial and be retailed via the front-end of the site, perhaps for a reduced cost??? (yeah..guess why I’m inquiring about that one!)

Slate

nullIt was the best of times, it was the worst of times....

[Mtnjim]

Hi, I haven\'t posted before, but have been lurking so long I feel like I \"know\" everyone. images/icons/smile.gif
First some background. I have this friend that I have lived next door to for the past 10 years-we have been friends for that time. A couple of years ago, I realized that I really \"liked\" her--and this was totally because of her personality as she was over 200 lbs at the time. Her birthday is the day after mine, and we have a lot of other things in common. Of course, I couldn\'t do anything about it as she was married up until last June. (And we live in a small village-Justine also being from San Diego probable has heard of the Campo/Lake Morena area--1500 people)The year before her divorce, she went from the 200 lbs + at 5\'6\" to 36C-23-35, and she turns the heads of 35 year olds (she\'ll be 60 on her next B/D) So that gives you some idea of the ages involved. I got involved in this pheromone thing because a couple of months after she and her husband split up I told her how I felt and she said she wasn\'t attracted in \"that way\" because \"it must be a pheromone thing\".
Dang,, this is getting too long!!
Enough background.
To test her theory, I did some research and got some P-10. I have been wearing it for the past month and have noticed some increase in the \"touchy feely\" aspect of our relationship. When A-1 came out I ordered some to see what would happen.
So after the long winded build up, here\'s what happened last night.
Yesterday morning, after showering, I spritzed on a couple of sprays of \"Michael Jordan\", and went to work. Last evening when I got home I put on 3 drops of P-10 (1 behing each ear and 1 below adams apple) and 4 drops of A-1 (1 front right neck, 1 back right neck 1 each on left). Then we got together with another (female) friend and went out to play darts at the local pub. We are known in the pub, so I have a \"baseline\" for reactions. My friend was all touchy feely, danced several times with me (no dance band-Karoke (sp?)) night, and stayed close must of the night. A couple of other of the ladies in there were the same-more attentive than usual, dancing etc. One woman told me how much she loved me (she has a b/f). Another woman who swings \"the other way\" danced with me closely and told me how great I smelled and was reluctant to let go of me. (remember, 2 sprays 10-12 hours earlier of \"MJ\" no refresh)
We had been in there before when I was only doing the P-10 thing, but this time the reactions were very noticable. When we got back home (her house), my friend seemed reluctant for me to leave. All in all, seems like good results.
Sorry for the long post, but I felt that some back ground (the 10 year history etc.)was necessary to gauge the reactions.

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Travis, I\'m still collecting data on andro-1. So far, I haven\'t been able to test it out in a truly social environment, though I\'ve been around women in work and recreational project type activities. All interactions with women have been consistently positive, though none of these women are normally grumpy. No sexual hits, but I\'m starting to buy into the mood enhancement theory. Given the feedback and science behind andro-1, I\'m willing to give it some time to work. If it\'s mood enhancement, I think the positive effects will build up over weeks as women associate the good feelings with me. =).

I\'m debating the dosage used though. The first three days, I tried two sprays of 10:1 cologne to andro-1 mix. This should give about a 0.02 mg dose. Today, I also added a drop of andro-1 rubbed between my forearms. Total dosage is now about 0.04-0.05 mg. However, this is still a small dose compared to the 4-9 drops other people have been using this week. So, no one has gotten an OD reaction to andro-1 yet? Maybe, someone should deliberately crank up the dosage just to figure out the upper limit. It\'d be good to know, along with the minumum dosage. If the minimum is low, and the maximum high, good results should be easy to get. =).

By the way, how long would a smeared drop of concentrate last on skin? I heard that concentrates applied to skin (like NPA and PI) last a lot longer than diluted mixes, probably because it\'s spread over a smaller area.

[jamesdeanmartin]

Anyone find the upper limits of oding yet? I\'ve been deliberating trying to OD and it only seems to work better. I don\'t have much time to fill everyone in, but Andro1 seems to be working very well. I\'m throwing a large party and three girls I definitely want to hook up with are coming, so cross your fingers :-)

Quick Andro1 results:
1. I tried to OD yesterday afternoon. I put maybe 8 drops in my hand and rubbed in my neck and chest. I went to the coffee shop where I sat down by an acquaintance of mine (we share a common friend, that\'s about it). We\'ve rarely if ever talked, although we are around each other a lot. She is a lesbian, so I didn\'t expect much of a reaction. Anyway, she just wouldn\'t shut up talking to me, about everything from chicken salad to smoking weed. Now this is a pretty angsty lesbian girl, she is sorta cute, but definitely isn\'t down with the cock, and she was running her fingers through her hair and flirting with me hardcore. I was shocked. Our mutual friend (my close friend who we always talk about humping but never get down to it) couldn\'t believe how much this girl was flirting with me. My friend and this girl are really close, and she said she\'s never her like that before. Sweet.

2. I was hanging out with two girl friends of mine last night just driving around doing nothing. Out of nowhere one of them said, \"Good gawd, (insert my name here), you look really fucking sexy driving this car. I do need to have sex in this car someday (I drive a brand new 2001 Mustang Convertible, that helps the pheromones). Then the other girl chimed in and talked about how good I look today and how great my outfit is. She said I have the \"Russell Crowe\" look going. Sweet. I hang out with these girls all the time, and they do compliment me from time to time, maybe once a month at most, and this with using the Edge around them and NPA a ton.

3. An old summer romance girl came back for my friends graduation today. We rode up to the show together, I threw on maybe 9 or 10 drops (I tend to be the king of overdosing I don\'t smell well, so I always put too much cologne and junk on). Anyway, she spent most of the car ride flirting with me and I caught at least three DIHL looks from her. I mean she was just staring at me smiling while I was driving. It sorta freaked me out. I don\'t think she stopped smiling during the whole 1 hr car ride.

I need to put together some more money to put some more Andro1, by far I have seen the best results with this product. NPA seems to not work well at all for me, while The Edge for some reason used to work a good amount.

JDM

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Good stories, James Dean. You\'re giving me the confidence to up the dosage. Remember, I can\'t smell this stuff myself, so I try to be careful.

I wonder if the lack of OD reactions from andro-1 is at least partially attributed to people using drops of the pure concentrate. 9 drops of concentrate could 0.25 mg of andro-1, but it\'s spread over a small area and may not disperse as fast. If you dilute the mix 8:1 in alcohol and then sprayed on 0.30 mg, you might get an OD. I don\'t know... Has anyone gotten an OD reaction from putting on 9 drops of the -none concentrate from the chem kit?

By the way, this is the first time I\'m using drops. It seems quite convenient and is probably most consistent. If effective, I\'ll probably use it more. Does applying drops to clothing work well?

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By the way, James, did you get results with andro-1 before you tried to OD? Even though putting on 9 drops would be good for special occasions if it works, this could be a financial drain for daily use. I think each drops costs about 25 cents. =)

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Just received my Andro1 today. Here\'s what I\'ve just mixed in a 2 oz plastic bottle:

- 1 oz APC
- 4ml Andro1
- 5ml NPA
- 7.5ml AE
- 0.25oz SP Musk
- 0.05oz SP Cirtus

I think it\'s gonna be a very powerful combo...and smells really good too!! I\'ll be testing it in a couple of hours with a hot date.

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A topic we haven\'t discussed yet...

As andro-1 is also a precursor to -none, like -nol, some of it may convert in skin applications? Seems like 9 drops of andro-1 concentrate is not an OD, but if it converts to -none it might be.

[oscar]

truth,

Good point! But how much converts? And how long does it take? And how much of the original application remains on the skin throughout the period of time that it takes to convert? Would one-tenth be a decent ballpark estimate?

I\'ve been using A1 exclusively for a full week now. The stuff\'s got something. I\'m nowhere near ready to draw any real conclusions yet. It does act as a mood enhancer for women, of this I have little doubt. Both strange and familiar women have reacted quite positively to it. One woman with whom I exchange social type hello hugs, did a double take and put her face back close to me, paused briefly, and said, \"OK, you smell like you.\", as if relieved.
I guess she noticed a difference, maybe a lack of something. Maybe one of the \"secret ingredients\" in NPA which is usually a regular component of my phero print. Maybe just A-None! But there was enough of something there to make a phero connection.

I notice it too. Something is missing. Even though the mix ratios I\'ve used for A1 have very nearly matched my NPA mix in terms of fragrance enhancement.
I see this stuff somewhat like an A-Nol product in terms of its effect on women. More effective perhaps, but still I\'m going to have to add some A-None to the mix. I miss it!

It\'s a great idea to try to take advantage of conversion though. IF you\'ve got the time.
I get @45 drops of A1 to a milliliter when using my drugstore type eye-droppers. If I were to use 9 drops, that would amount to 1/5 of a milliliter, or .20mg of A1.
So, if after dinner and a movie, one-tenth of that had converted, I\'d be sporting a regulation .02mg of A-None! images/icons/wink.gif
God does work in mysterious ways!

Tonight a layering of 2 sprays of Acqua di Gio and NPA at 5:1 on skin, and a spritz or two of AdG/A1 at 3:1 on shirt. (The two mixes smell very much alike.)
I\'m anxious to see what my own reaction to getting the A-None back will be.
And then a road test. images/icons/laugh.gif

Oscar images/icons/smile.gif

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Oscar, so you said that you\'re using a mix that has the same amount of fragrance enhancement as your regular NPA. However, your A1 mix is more than three times as concentrated at 3:1 of a 1 mg/ml mix. So, I assume you\'re putting on closer to 0.06 mg this week (?).

[a.k.a.]

truth,
I used a tiny dab of amber e-oil blend with the drop of Andro. But you’re right. It\'s not THAT stinky and I might have been able to get away without added scent.

Wilde,
Interesting conclusion about the stuff being like A-NOL. I was wondering if it didn’t act like a milder form of -none. But, since you mention it, I have noticed a -nol-like sort of intoxicating effect. On the other hand, I’ve noticed many -none-like hits (at .25mg/ml).

Maybe my next test will be Andro + RONE.

all,
I’ve been fighting a flu virus and haven’t had the energy to do much more than test pheros. I probably went overboard (testing two formulas a day — with a long hot shower and luffa scrub in-between tests) and now I’m confused.

Yesterday I wore a mixture of 8 parts -nol, 1 part -rone, 1part Andro (at .5mg pheros/ml) to work. The results were good, but indistinguishable from SOE.

Today I wore the same formula to have lunch with a lady I was trying to get to know. Unfortunately I learned enough to not want to see her anymore, but I guess that’s another story.

Wilde’s post reminds me that she seemed a little confused/silent when she first got into the car. (Did she sense an unfamiliar phero signature?) But after a short while she became very talkative. During the course of lunch her body language showed considerable attraction (She kept scooting closer and eventually her legs were touching mine.), and several times she commented how rare it was to find someone she could open up to as easily as me. (Unfortunately this worked against her, because she revealed that she was a stuck-up, anti-social, xenophobic ... well, nevermind. We all have our faults.)

Anyway. Once again the results seemed indistinguishable from SOE.

Another formula that I tried yesterday was 4parts Andro, 3parts -nol, 2parts -rone, and 18 parts APC. The second I applied it to my skin I was convinced it would rock. “You are a god among men.” I told myself.

This stuff was a bit of a freaky experience. I stood at the door of a Japanese fast food joint, looking at a pretty girl waiting in line, and told myself. “She’s going to turn and check me out as soon as I open this door.”

Sure enough, she did.

I told myself that the cashier would give me a big smile, and she did. Later, at the supermarket, it seemed I could mentally pick out the women that would make eye contact. I noticed a very cute girl and told myself that if I smiled at her she’d say “hi”. And she did.

I didn’t feel well enough to flirt with anybody. But someday I’m going to give that formula another test.

Another formula I tried today was 8 -nol, 1 -rone, 1 -none, and 5 Andro (at 75% mg. pheros/ ml). This time I think I OD’d. I went to a coffeeshop and got some hits from older women but nervous vibes from others. I ran into a girl that I’ve had several friendly conversations with and even she seemed a bit nervous. In addition, I now feel some sort of intoxication/diminished mental capacity.

All in all, I think I overdid it, and didn’t learn much in the process. Is this stuff really OD proof? (I got much fewer hits at 1mg/ml than at .25 mg/ml. On the other hand I didn’t get any sort of anxiety signals until testing the above mentioned formula.) Is it a sort of -none substitute? A -nol substitute? Does it add something qualitatively different to the mix?

I believe the guys that say it’s a mood elevator for women. But I’ve noticed the same thing with -none and -nol.

I’ve also noticed several women (and myself) loosing their train of thought (kind of like NPA/TE).

In conclusion: It’s obvious that women like this stuff, but I haven’t figured out what to do with it.

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Wow, a.k.a. you tried a lot of mixes. I don\'t see how you can assess a mix in half a day! I\'m still having problems after almost a week.

Overall, my observations aren\'t inconsistent with others. I certainly don\'t seem to get anymore attention just standing there, but after I start talking to a girl, the quality of interaction seems better. Need more testing though...

[xvs]

OK so tonight I did -nol, a1, -none and 10X, with my special cologne.

It seemed to work really well for the first half of the evening. All females loved me, though the ones I wanted were with their boyfriends. Some girls spontaneously invited me to another party and complemented me.

But then I went out dancing, and before going to the second party, I went home again and applied more of the -nol, a1 and -none. I suspect the extra -none is what did it, but girls were not quite so into me, except for one girl whom I wasn\'t attracted to, who followed me around and looked sad when she figured out that I wasn\'t going to go for her (poor thing!).

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: xvs ]

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Hmm... My experiences with women weren\'t as positive today. I put on a drop of andro-1 on an exposed area (my neck) for the first time. The last two days, I had put a drop underneath my shirt. I also put two sprays of 10:1 CK1 to andro-1 on my shirt. I did not add any cologne over the drop on my neck thinking that the cologne on my shirt would cover it.

I\'m not sure if I OD\'d, but female interactions didn\'t seem as positive. One girl said that she smelled pot in the room. I\'m not sure if it was me, but it might have made me self-conscious the rest of the day. Perhaps, the self-consciousness may have been the real problem in my interactions.

2 sprays of a diluted mix and one drop on the neck is still a lot less than the 9 drops other people are using. It\'s hard to imagine that I OD\'d when others didn\'t. Hmm... I guess I had two drops on skin from the previous two days. Maybe, they didn\'t wash off completely, and I was up closer to 5 drops including about one drop on the shirt.

[Nutt]

thats quite intresting, and hey, its better smelling like you smoked pot last night than smelling of cats piss images/icons/laugh.gif

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Has anyone smoked pot before? Can the scent of andro-1 be mistaken for pot? It could have been just an unrelated comment that made me self-conscious. Anyway, I\'m inclined to leave out the drop application till I gain back some confidence. =P.

[Tantalus747]

I\'ve never smoked it, but I\'ve smelled it & I can\'t imagine that anyone could possibly mistake andro1 for pot.

It was probably just you being self conscious that was the problem. I\'ve worn 6, then 8 drops the last two days. Spread well around so that I\'m sure it was getting in the air just as much as if I\'d sprayed it.

Anyway, I didn\'t OD with 8 drops (I didn\'t really like how much of an effect it had on me though). I\'m half asleep now, so I won\'t try to write about my experiences yet.

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Could she have been confused? Maybe she was smelling something strange and combined with the mood altering effects of andro-1, she thought of the first thing that came to her mind: Pot. Maybe she was a little high from the andro-1 and mentioned pot because of it. Just a though....

-Andy

[Whitehall]

There are a wonderful variety of pots with a wide range of bouquets. Some are musky, some \"minty\" and so on. I think I could believe a mental correspondence between pheromones and pot smell. Still, it\'s a mental leap.

Now, I\'ve NEVER smoked pot (not even in the \'60\'s) but my sister-in-law was once on the cover of High Times.

[Whitehall]

Diffusion of a vapor within a non-humogenous vapor is much more complicated mathmatically than inverse square laws or such. Think partial differential equations and vector analysis.

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So, Tantalus, how much cologne do you put on to cover 6-8 drops of andro-1? How do you make sure the cologne lasts during the day?

Well, I think the mood elevation paper had mentioned that the affect of andro-1 was similar to amphetamine (or something else like that). Obviously, the girl who made the comment had smoked pot before, so maybe the mood elevation \"high\" was associated with pot. =).

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Note, guys, that the vomeronasal gland, located about 1/2 inch up the inside of the nose on both sides of the septum, is thought to be in the process of disappearing, like the little toe. On some folks it can be seen and on others it seems to be missing altogether. For a pheromone to work the gland duct(s) must be open. So effectiveness may be more a function of the chemistry of the carrier (cologne, aerosol spray, etc.) than the square or cube of the concentration of pheromone.

I suspect that if the ducts are functioning only a tiny concentration of pheromone is needed. If not, then you might as well go with a cheap masculine scent like Mennin Skin Bracer so you smell like you just got out of the shower. That turns a lot of women on, too.

Has anyone tried wearing the female pheromone Copulin while alone to see if it stimulates the production of more testosterone? (Well, why wouldn\'t it work?)

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Dr. Al: what\'s your area of study?

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Sorry, I inadvertantly repeated my previous post. I\'m not used to this site yet.

Before I retired and defected from The People\'s Republic of California I specialized in aerospace physiology, concentrating on prevention of GLOC in high performance fighters.

what\'syour field technologist?

[ April 02, 2002: Message edited by: Dr. Al ]

[jamesdeanmartin]

Update.

I didn\'t see much success at the party. Unfortunately there were a disproportionate amount of men to women and most of the women already had boyfriends. Guys were hitting on two of the girls I was interested in all night long because of the lack of females, and it really wasn\'t the best of times for them. I made good eye-contact and flirted with both throughout the night, but nothing \"happened\" (and I was hoping for *something* to happen). I did catch two DIHL looks from the one girl and she smiled at me all the time even when the other guys kept hitting on her. Maybe I was expecting too much too soon. These girls are both very shy, and both are coming off rather nasty break-ups.

As far Andro-1 and Pot, I don\'t really notice any similarities in smell. Although Andro-1 has worked best for me with women who smoke a lot of pot. Take that for what it\'s worth. I\'ve gone through 1/3 of the bottle in a week, I think I really need to slow down and not waste it at this point.

JDM

[oscar]

Dr. Al,

Welcome to the board!
I\'ve tried both PI/w and PCC (both contain Copulins) as libido enhancers. While the PI/w applied to moustache just seemed to improve my mood, the PCC really seemed to get my testosterone going. The first time I checked out PCC\'s scent I put some on the back of one hand and was huffing it like mad. Had to hold myself back from licking it off! images/icons/shocked.gif

By the way, you can get rid of those extraneous posts by clicking on the paper and pencil (edit) icon on the top bar of
each post you want to lose and choose \"delete post\". images/icons/wink.gif

Oscar images/icons/smile.gif

[PHP 87]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Al:
Sorry, I inadvertantly repeated my previous post. I\'m not used to this site yet.

Before I retired and defected from The People\'s Republic of California I specialized in aerospace physiology, concentrating on prevention of GLOC in high performance fighters.

what\'syour field scientist?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey Dr. Al, I think you and I will get along just fine. (See below)

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James, 1/3 of the bottle in a week! You must be using 20 drops a day. =).

By the way, did you use other pheros besides andro-1 at the party? We still don\'t know how to mix this stuff.

[Watcher]

Shit thats like way much even for a native kalifonian resident.

[jamesdeanmartin]

I was using anywhere from 6-10 drops per application. I haven\'t mixed it with any other pheros and have been covering it with Issey Miyake. I notice a smell for about fifteen minutes or so, then it wears off (or I become used to it and don\'t notice it, I\'m not sure).

I\'ll probably go back to NPA or TE for a while until I have more opportunities with larger groups of women (who don\'t know me).

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James, you must be applying the dosage more than once a day, right? Oscar said that he got about 40-45 drops per ml. A third of the bottle would be more than 120 drops in a week!

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Dr Al: I saw all that technical sounding human body \'speak\', and thought, cool, another health guru. At least knowing what you do, you will feel somewhat at home.

Sounds pretty interesting, what you did. Wild guess: JPL?

lol, would delightfully intimate caps help prevent GLOC??

Unfortunately, I never got to ride the centrifuge over at GSFC. j/k images/icons/tongue.gif But I did get to touch it and walk under it while it was out of operation.

I\'m just a jack of all trades computer guru, with an emphasis on networking, the internet, and troubleshooting. So, I\'d be considered an Info. Technologist.

/end off-topic: I finally got my Andro1, and can\'t wait to test it out this weekend. I must definitely be one who cannot smell NONE, because like with NPA, all I smell is a hint of the carrier alcohol. Neither of the two smell like piss at all, to me.

Friday will likely be a test at the bowling lanes. I\'ll be applying Andro1 in places where it\'ll radiate as I become more active. I\'ll note how it affects the others around me.

Sunday is gathering of car enthusiasts. All of them are familiar, including one of my few EX\'s. I\'ll see if instead of being treated like shit, I\'m treated like flies on it.

Damn, had I less of a brain, I could\'ve joined the crowds of morons rioting over in College Park, MD and gotten infinite hits images/icons/crazy.gif

[Tantalus747]

Truth, actually I\'ve not worn any cologne with andro1.

I usually apply pheros right before a 20-30 drive. I live in the middle of nowhere. images/icons/frown.gif After that long a drive with the window cracked, the smell is hardly detectable. Being in a car right after applying none or andro1 because of the lack of air circulation.

I\'ve actually had good results from wearing this much with no cover scent. Interestingly, the day I wore 6 drops, I \'refreshed\' with about 3 drops & soon afterward got in the car with my girlfriend. The andro1 was enough to really bother me, but she didn\'t notice at all.

Since getting my andro1, my girlfriend\'s been MUCH more sexually aggressive. It\'s hard to say if it\'s the andro1 or if she\'s just getting more comfortable with me since we\'ve only been together for about 5 weeks.

I\'ll get a better idea after more time has passed I can experiment with... there are just too many variables. images/icons/frown.gif

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By reading these posts about andro-1 and its effect as a mood elevator I come to the conclusion that a-1 can work great in combination with the other 3 phero´s we use (especially a-none).

I´m dying to try such a four phero combination out myself, but unfortunately I have to wait a couple of weeks before I´m able to place an order.

To everyone: please post about your experiences with a-1. images/icons/wink.gif

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Tantalus, 6-8 drops with no cover scent! So, you would never try this with -none, would you? =)

[Icemone]

Wilde Oscar

You mentioned mood elevation which is good. How are Pi/w, PCC for attracting women and for relaxing people?

If they elevate your testosterone and improve work outs ( GREAT ) then how would they relax others?

The Androstenone products seem to increase my attracting very intense ( sometimes crazy ) women and unwanted aggression from males.

The Androstenol products I have seem weak
( PF )or are too scented ( LURE )

[oscar]

Icemone,

Aside from the fact that they both contain Copulins, PI/w and PCC are two very different products.
PI/w seems great for mood elevation, both for the wearer and those around him/her. Its .11% Androstenol content is higher than the concentration of the A-Nol in the Chemistry Sets, but its scent is so neutral that I can barely detect it on a conscious olfactory level even when I\'ve put two or three drops below my nose.
To me, the effect of the (undisclosed levels of) Copulin content in PI/w seems to be unnoticeable either olfactorily or behaviorally.

PCC on the other hand has ONLY Copulins as its active ingredient. Its .025% Copulin content gets me thinking SEX! And its cucumber-melon scent makes me want to EAT \"something\". I\'m fairly sure that the stuff does boost Testosterone levels as reported.

PI/w\'s A-Nol content seems to attract and possibly relax others of both sexes, while its Copulin effect appears to me to be negligible.

I think PCC is likely only to attract males or lesbians. It sure doesn\'t relax me, but I\'m not certain of its effects on women.

I\'ve taken both sides of the debate on the effects of Copulins on women, both as wearers and passive recipients of the Copulin scent. One one hand a woman may feel more at ease sensing that she\'s in the company of other women. On the other hand she may become anxious perceiving the presence of a competing fertile female. And these effects may vary depending on the stage of her menstrual cycle.

I don\'t think that either PF or Lure are particularly weak. You just can\'t send out a high powered A-Nol signal with them without loading up on the fragrances. (Especially with Lure!) Still they both exert an effect, just not as potent a one as we get from the other, more \"high-test\" products. We\'re actually quite spoiled in that regard! images/icons/wink.gif

Apologies for straying so far off topic. Hope to have some good A1 conclusions ready to post soon.

Oscar images/icons/laugh.gif

[Tantalus747]

Truth, I\'d never wear that much -none to start with. More than two sprays of TE gives me a nasty headache. But I suppose if I did wear that much I\'d have to use cologne with it. images/icons/smile.gif

I do wear up to about 1 & 1/2 sprays of TE without any cover fragrance & have never had any adverse reactions. Yes, I can smell the -none, I\'m just not into wearing much fragrance. JVK called me a \'supersmeller.\' images/icons/smile.gif If I put on enough cologne for people around me to smell, it seems way too strong for me.

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Wilde Oscar: Have you ever heard of female friends who are really close to one another having their period syncronize to where they both have their period at the same time of the month? Could this happen because they sense copulins coming from each other during their fertile period and as an instinct, their body subconscioulsy syncronizes so that it will be able to compete for males? Your last post kinda got me thinking about that. If those two phenomenon are linked, then I think it might mean there aren\'t any adverse effects to wearing copulins around other women. Just a though though...lemme know what you think.

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Thanks, guys, for putting up with my incompetence on this site and helping me work it.

I am soaking up your much appreciated comments before deciding which product(s) to buy. I\'m not sure I want to waste any on the old crones in this small Texas town, but there\'s always the nearby colleges. By the way, I\'ve been taking 50mg/day of DHEA for eight years and it has really retarded aging with no side effects. I\'m 71 and still enjoy riding my motorcycle almost every day.

I have known about pheromones for 30 years and am looking forward to applying some of the practcal knowledge you younger studs are writing about. At my age I need all the help I can get images/icons/smile.gif

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Hey, PHP 87, it\'s good to find a kindred spirit. I haven\'t regretted escaping from the P.R. of Calif. and moving back to central Texas one moment

And Wilde Oscar, thanks a heap for the tips on deleting/editing. Much appreciated.

Technologist, sounds like you\'ve been there and done that. I once rode the centrifuge at the School of Aerospace Medicine in San \'Tone. Even did \"The Funky Chicken\" on re-awakening from GLOC at 9+ G\'s. Had a headache for two hours afterward.

I look forward to trying a few unconventional things with pheromones.

Later, all.

[Icemone]

Oscar Wilde,

Thanks. Pi/w sounds very good. More like what I\'m looking for than Andro-1.

Now back to the regularly scheduled Andro-1 broadcast LOL

[oscar]

Gents,

After a week of using an A1 mix exclusively, this past weekend I went back to using Acqua di Gio/NPA 5:1 on chest/abdomen, and applied AdG/A1 3:1 on my shirt. (My previous outer layer was AdG/4L,1R @7:1)

Earlier I\'d posted that a woman with whom I\'ll regularly exchange \"Hello\"-type hugs did a double clutch, and commented after getting a good noseful, \"OK,... You smell like you.\" That was with A1 only.

This past weekend a woman with whom I\'d never before exchanged hugs did nearly the same thing, just more so.
She clutched, then backed off only about six inches, got a funny look on her face for about a second, then clutched again. She backed off again about the same six inches, and for a second or two had a look on her face, while staring straight into my chest, as though she had just been hit with some long lost, distant, but pleasant memory.

Upon coming around to reality, she looked me in the eyes and smiled somewhat sheepishly as she backed off, with an expression on her face that said to me, \'Oh!,..You\'re not my boyfriend, ..Are you?\'.
She was slightly embarassed, but she still didn\'t seem to be totally recovered as she wandered off to find her boyfriend who WAS there somewhere. That was using AdG/NPA on skin, and AdG/A1 on clothes in the proportions I mentioned earlier.
I enjoyed several other decisive hits that night, but this one was decidedly the most noteworthy.

To term this a DIHL might be understatement. More a dazed deer on the hood of the car wondering if she can get up and walk away after being up-ended by a 50 mph collision with a \'62 Cadillac. images/icons/shocked.gif

I just don\'t know whether to attribute this to the A1, the NPA, or the combination of the two. images/icons/wink.gif

Oscar images/icons/laugh.gif

[Watcher]

Well that ups it with the best of them although i havent had to much freaky stuff latley just run of the mill responses.
Waiting for another test soon.

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Oscar, so are you applying high doses of andro-1 like others have been (like 6-10 drops)? You\'re one of the few who mixed the a-1 with cologne so can\'t go crazy with the dosage. However, you did mix at a pretty high ratio -- 3:1. I guess one spray of your solution is already over 0.02 mg of andro-1.

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I talked to my friend who I gave a 6ml vial of .25 mg/ml A1 solution and he has noticed some results. He told me that since he has been wearing that stuff around his girlfriend they haven\'t argued one single time. As a witness, they usually get in an argument about twice a week. Sounds like mood elevation to me. The results he gave me were only what he noticed and I made sure and told him that I didn\'t know what the stuff was gonna do, even though everyone on this forum has pretty much agreed it enhnaces mood. His story sounds like mood enhancement to me. I had instructed him to apply 1 dab behind each ear (2 dabs total). I told him today to start using 4 dabs and then report back to me in about a week or so. I\'ll keep everyone posted.

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Wow, JOB00, you did a blinded test on your friend?! =). You said that you didn\'t tell him what the potion was suppose to do (?). However, did you tell him the nature of the chemical?

Hmm, the next step is to give a placebo to some of your friends!

[oscar]

truth,

I used 2 sprays that equal @ 3 drops of mix per spray.
At 3:1 cologne to A1, that means that 25% of the mix is A1.
So .25 x 6 drops is 1.5 drops of A1 delivered.
Same eyedroppers gave me 45 drops per milliliter.
So at 1mg/mL, one drop contains .022222_mg.
The two sprays of mix then delivered a total of @.033mg of A1.

I neglected to mention that I added a drop of A1 to some hair gel, which would have brought the A1 total dose to @ .055mg. But even at this level the scent was unobtrusive.

Oscar images/icons/smile.gif

[Bruce]

This is the second serious \"taming of the shrew\" story, and it sounds like it goes beyond simple \"mood enhancement\" as important as that may be in and of itself. Any of you married guys try this stuff out on your wives? I have to try it myself after all this. My wife can be hell on wheels around pms time.
Bruce

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OK... since I haven\'t had a date since Andro appeared nor have I been out much I wasn\'t in a position to report any hits...but you\'ll like this one.

Go to bank. End up waiting -- only one teller, and he\'s with a customer. After a couple minutes, a new teller, by far the most attractive woman there, runs over and opens up her little cubby to help me.

She works through the entire transaction (four checks w/ cash back.) Seems efficient but maybe a little hurried or nervous. Finishes up, hands me my receipt.

Asks \"do you need anything else.\" I look at her and say \"my money.\" She goes DIHL for about 10 seconds. Looks at the receipt and my deposit slip, get flustered and smiles sheepishly, and voids everything and starts over. Hands me the new receipt and smiles and coyly looks down and thanks me for being patient.

This is the first non-date hit I\'m sure was a hit.

Was wearing about 8\" of SOE, 4 drops Andro.

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Truth: What I did was I first explained to him the differences between aNONE, aNOL, and aRONe (like he actually understood a think I was talking about...hehe). Then I was like \"I got this new stuff and we\'re trying to figure out what it does. Nobody has had any results yet. Put a dab behind each ear and then let me know if you notice anything different when you\'re around your girlfriend.\" He knew he was wearing some type of pheromone. He\'s not one of my smartest friends so he really doesn\'t have any idea what he\'s doing. He follows directions and he knows his girlfriend well (they\'ve been inseperable for almost 3 years now) so I believe what he\'s telling me when he says she has been acting different. Anyway, I guess you could say my little experiment was \"partially blinded\". He knows there is a such thing as pheromone and that what I gave him was some sort of pheromone mixture, but I didn\'t tell him any kind of results to expect or anything. He reported those results from his unguided observations of his girlfriends mood. Pretty neat, huh?

-Andy

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Wow, Bruce, I\'m surprised you haven\'t tried andro-1 once yourself!

That\'s interesting JOB00. So, did your friend give any details beside that he and his girl didn\'t fight?

Not too many new experiences to report. Well, if the mood enhancement theory is correct, you guys with girlfriends are the ones expected to benefit more. I think I\'ll try a dab of AE tomorrow with my two sprays of diluted A-1.

[Nutt]

hehe, now you have to give him a new via of pure alchol and see what his reports are, telling him its the same stuff ( or maybe a stronger / weaker mix of it? )

[slatedrake]

Andro-1 and SOE

Had my first DIHL look from an older woman at the local grocery store today at lunch.

I had two swipes (1 inch) of SOE on each wrist and 2-3 1 inch swipes on my neck. I used 4-5 drops of Andro-1 one in my palm, and then spread over my cheeks and face. All of this was applied around 8am this morning, so around 4.5 hours before the grocery store.

I was looking in the imported food isle (green tea in this case) and this older woman (late 40s) just stops about 5 feet away from me and starts staring at me. I look behind me to see what\'s up and don\'t notice anything. She continues to stare at me for another couple of seconds and then shakes her head and moves on. She wasn\'t even close to attractive, but it was my first DIHL so it felt pretty cool.

Ok...back to my girlfriend and Andro-1.

I got away from the Andro-1 on Monday night actually (gave it a much deserved break...) and threw on my newly purchased JB1 mix!

She came home late from study class and I was already in bed for the night....she starts making some small talk and then...you guys are going to love this, and I swear it\'s the truth...she\'s starts really playing with herself HARD. Bam! She\'s turned on like a light bulb, I join in....figure out the rest.

Not much else to report on the Andro-1. Need to do some more research this weekend I think.

What is everyone else coming up with?

Anyone try it yet with TE, or NPA/APC???

Later,

Slate

[oscar]

Gents,

Having noticed several reports of positive effects on \"significant others\", I\'m compelled to relate the following story.

I often have days off in the middle of the week. Usually I\'ll want to go out on the night before. S.O. who works Monday thru Friday will as often as not say, \"You go ahead, I\'ve got to be up early.\"
While this may sound really great to those other \"attached\" guys on the board, there has always been one drawback. Whether I arrive back at midnight or 2:30 A.M., the sex lamp is invariably NOT lit.
My interpretation of this is that having given me a degree of freedom for the night, it would spoil me to give me sexual pleasure as well. (They can\'t stand the thought of us being TOO happy!)

This pattern was broken on the first night that I went out alone wearing A1. It was @1:15 A.M. when I returned. Kissed her as she lay snoozing on the couch, and the next thing I know, she\'s upstairs lighting candles, putting on some romantic music, and slipping into some Victoria\'s Secret. All in all, an extreme departure from the norm. It would be un-gentlemanly to provide details here. Suffice to say that I fucked her brains out.

Is there some specific \"Significant Other\" effect attributable to A1?
The \"Mood Enhancer\" effect is obvious, but it seems to have particularly pronounced effects on women you know. This looks to be in contrast with the results achieved with the other androgens, which appear to have more profound effects on strangers than they do on those who are familiar with us.

This stuff might be a better \"Spice up the relationship\" measure than any of the other magical things we have at our disposal. images/icons/wink.gif

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[slatedrake]

Wilde – Great post!

Here’s how my Wednesday night went.

My girl was working in the lab last night and I dropped by around 8pm to grab some dinner with her. Prior to going out to meet her I had applied 2 sprays to my chest of the JB1 mix from the Atomizers that Bruce sells on the site. I then dressed and put on around 6 drops of Andro1 directly on the sweater I was wearing.

I rolled into the clinic and she came down to meet me within a few minutes. We had a nice little dinner in the cafeteria and then went upstairs to her tech room. We hung out for a while, and she wasn’t overly attentive or anything. I would say she was in a normal mood, perhaps a little happier than normal given that she was at work and not at home with me.

I left around 9 and went back to her place to do some reading and hang out. She came home around 11:30 and we started to play cards, something very normal for us. She was in a great mood, weather the A1 had any effect on this I have no idea. But we have a really nice time and stayed up very late playing cards, talking and having fun. Around 2am I decided that I needed to get to sleep (had to be up by 7 for work) and shuffled upstairs to bed.

She followed and we both crawled in the sack. At this point we had a really nice evening and I had no anticipation of anything happening. I was tired, she was tired, and it was time for sleep.
We get undressed and lay down together and have a little goodnight kiss. She then rests her head on my chest and starts to talk a little bit about something. After about a minute she moves up and starts kissing me again. Then her hand moves south and we’re off to the races!

Now this may or may not have anything to do with the JB1 mix on my chest and the Andro1 on my sweater. Perhaps the Andro1 placed her in a great mood throughout the night and then the close proximity of the JB1 aroused her. Tough call, and behavior like this really wouldn’t be all that uncommon after having a nice night together…….except…..

Except if felt uncommon…just a feeling but we had a GREAT time playing cards and hanging out together. We were both very affectionate throughout the evening and constantly giving kisses and touches. I’m pretty sure that the Andro1 really kept BOTH of us in a very comfortable, relaxed and loving mood. If nothing else, it certainly seemed to have this effect on me, and perhaps she picked up on my mood. Again, though to call, but I really have to attribute a ton more attention and affection since I recently started using the Pheromones, than I was receiving prior.

She used to want to perhaps go out with her friends and have a few after work, labs, etc… now she seems WAY more excited to come home and see me, or have me come visit her at her work.

I think I read in another thread (by Zarrack I think) that his girlfriend was displaying some jealous tendencies that were unusual for her. I’m finding the exact same thing. My girl is now asking me about who I had lunch with, if a woman was involved the question came up “Was she pretty” (I’m almost positive I read that EXACT same statement in Zarracks post!). This is unusual for her, she usually isn’t focused on weather or not I’m attracting other people. She’s a very, very good looking girl and she get’s a ton of attention from other guys, and in the past she hasn’t really been that interested in any attention I may or may not be getting outside of our relationship…she’s become a little possessive these last two week….I have to say that I damn well like it!

I have to say that I totally agree with the suggestion that the A1 may be most effective in regard to Significant Others, and as a Mood Enhancer with close pre-established relationships. It certainly has provided me some very positive evenings! I haven\'t had the depth of experience with any of the other pheromones yet, (but give me time..) so it\'s tough to form any solid concepts yet, but my initial thoughts are that the A1 provides incredible amounts of positive stimulus to people that have already formed some sort of bond with you. In my case this is starting with a very intimate bond. If so...I may not need any of the other stuff...my ship is here baby!

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to get this down before it slipped away.

Thanks,

Slate

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Gents

I agree, the andro 1 seems to enhance a relationship rather than attract strangers.

I have noticed some thing about this stuff that give concern. Firstly, people seem to be using a lot for a 1mg per ml concentrate. I must admit to the same when it first arrived. I have noticed that is seems to work better and with less if used with -nol. They seem to complement each other. Secondly, I have found that letting it \"ripen\" a while seems to improve the effect as well. So maybe the breakdown by bacteria is causing a more \"eclectic\" mix of pheros. Anyway, I think it probably has more potential when mixed with other pheros than on it\'s own. After all sweat is a \"mix\" of various steroids, not a single substance.

Also, trying to mix it with \"cologne\" is a mistake. I tried with issy and PF and both times ended up with a \"milky\" fluid.

Ps I also tend to use oils or lotions and then \"spray\" the pheros on neat, on top of these with an atomizer. Seems to slow the release somewhat, and facilitates the bacteria getting to the stuff.

Anyone tried it with npa yet? Should smell well ripe after a few hours i feel.

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Well, judging from the reports so far, most have been regarding improvements with existing relationships. I haven\'t heard of many \"hits\" from strangers and acquaintances, especially with andro-1 alone. Since I don\'t have a girlfriend right now, maybe I should try some mixes. =).

By the way, is my assessment correct? For those of you who reported good results using A-1 with your girl, would you say that attention from strangers and acquaintances are less affected?

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Truth & Gents

I didn\'t find andro 1 on its own to be that effective, unless high doses are used. I did notice some females who get close enough seem \"phazed\" and want to remain in sniffing distance. I find that mixing with -nol ie citrus oil with -ol and PF gave a \"very sociable\" atmosphere. Probably not what your looking for but ideal in a relationship setting, a jolly happy social enhancement. I havn\'t tried it with -none as I havn\'t got any. I didn\'t find it that effective on others, unless you od (fun sometimes), but myself, I could waste hours sniffing abottle of NPA. It certainly affects me ;~}

Thus I have ordered some, and will see if it mixes well with andro 1, or maybe i\'ll just sit and sniff the stuff myself ;~{}

cheerz

Rat

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Ratspeaker, so how much -nol did you need to add to make an effective mix?

[Nutt]

woohoo! just got my andro-1 from customs, untouched but with VAT slapped on it. looks like im gonna be busy this weekend so no playtime yet unfortunatly :/ , but the arsenal is complete again images/icons/laugh.gif

cant smell much at the moment ( Im not that sensitive to none either) but it definatly dosent smell like weed.

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[slatedrake]

Hey,

Little report on Thursday night...

Basically read my report from Wed night...Same EXACT thing....

Baby...I\'m tired...didn\'t hit the sack until 4am last night.

This whole JB1 on the chest with the Andro1 on the sweater may or may not be the best thing to come around in a long time for me, but the sex is certainly on the up-swing.

Man...If anything I need to get some stimulants or something now.

Yawn...later.

Slate

[slatedrake]

Truth,

This is pretty sophisticated...so listen up.

I use the dropper from the Andro1 bottle and extract some Andro1 into the dropper.

Lean back and hold dropper over sweater.

Drop. Drop. Drop. Drop (one under the arm). Drop.

Seriously man, that\'s all I did. I dropped the Andro1 directly on my sweater from the dropper provided with the bottle.

I wish I had the time/inclination to measure stuff out and figure out ml concentrations and shit...but I\'m more of a intuitive type person and prefer to just let things roll.

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Slate

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I see. You\'re not going to get very good area coverage that way. I thought you might have applied it on your finger and rub it into the sweater.

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Truth, &

Sorry for delay in reply to your question, but am on UK time here, ie its now about midnight. I don\'t measure amounts really. But say a a good few dabs of citrus oil with nol and a half dozen drops of PF (great stuff pity its no longer made).

I am surprised with the effects of andro 1. Sometimes you don\'t think its very effective and then it surprises...

Ie tonite with a mix of andro one a nol products, my wifes mate who we visited, asked my mrs if it was ok to hug me, and then proceded to give me a long bear hug, she also pinched my bum. This is totally out of character for this particular female..;~}

Now iv\'e used a variety of phero products around this female, to no avail. But adding the andro 1 and boomshankah! I\'m impressed with the enhancement this stuff seems to give to other phero\'s.

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Slate, so how do you apply drops to your sweater?

[slatedrake]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truth:
I see. You\'re not going to get very good area coverage that way. I thought you might have applied it on your finger and rub it into the sweater.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Truth -

Huge call...I didn\'t even think of that.

I just received another of the atomizers...I think I\'ll drop some of the Andro1 in there and use that from now on.

Thanks for the heads up on that. And I\'m also going to start experimenting with significantly less going forward (especially after reading a.k.a.\'s recent post....)

Thanks,

Slate

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Speaking of atomizers, many have raved about the consistent spray that the Edge bottle gives. It\'s still one of my favorite bottles, but I would put it at only third behind the Natural Attraction Pillow spray bottle and Rogaine bottle. Both of these bottles gives a huge spray with excellent coverage every time.

I just emptied out the Pillow spray bottle into another container today for my new mix.

It\'s approximately:
15 CK1
5 Edge
1 andro-1 (1 mg/ml)
1 SOE (0.5.mg/ml)

I\'ll be trying it tomorrow!

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The intensity of the phero scent in my CK1:andro-1 mix (10:1) seems to have increased since I first mixed it 10 days ago. Has anyone else experienced this? It could just be that my sensitivity to the phero scent has changed, since I normally can\'t smell -none or andro-1 well. However, someone here mentioned that the phero scent can blossom when diluted.

Anyway, when I first sprayed the mix on 10 days ago, it smelled exactly like pure CK1. Now, it smells like my 5:1 CK1 to NPA.

[Naughtymonkey]

First day with Andro-1.

well, I have had a strange day at work and will let you all know any other hits. But, several people were unusually happy when chatting to me and I got several DIHL. If this continues in other circumstances then I will subscribe to the mood elevation theory. It was quite marked today.

NM

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Well, tried my new andro-1, SOE, NPA mix today. However, I\'m now experimenting with low dosing on the suggestion of a.k.a. I had only one spray of the mix on my shirt, and most of my female interactions were 12 to 28 hours after application.

Interactions seemed somewhat more positive than the last few days, but no definite conclusions. I\'ll keep testing.

I hope this thread continues!

[slatedrake]

Bump!

Anyone else have anything to report?

I\'ve been going Phero free for this past week to see a comparison. I\'m not sure if the lack of phero\'s (especially Andro1) is having any direct impact, but I have been fighting with my gf all week.

Might have to break down and throw two small dabs of the Andro1 on tonight if for no other reason than to just be able to have a civil night with her...Jeez.

Woman....

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\"I\'ve been going Phero free for this past week to see a comparison. I\'m not sure if the lack of phero\'s (especially Andro1) is having any direct impact, but I have been fighting with my gf all week.\"

These seem to be contradictory statements?!

[oscar]

Gents,

I just killed off my Acqua di Gio/A1 (3:1) the other day and decided to take a step back on the next brew. I whipped up a mid-size batch at 4:1 with hopes of finding the ideal ratio.
The 3:1 batch gave me good results, but I felt that I needed to add some A-None to the equation. So I\'m rather unwilling to try more A1-only experimentation for now at least. And at 3:1 the Adg/A1 mix contributed a bit more phero scent enhancement than I\'ll need if I\'m using an A-None mix along with it.

I\'m fishing for an analogy here.
In my opinion it\'s as though A1 has all of the properties of None, Nol, and Rone to some extent, but none of the effects of the three is particularly pronounced.
It\'s like trying to run a gas engine on diesel or crude oil. What you want IS in there, you just need it to be better refined for improved performance.

I\'m by no means giving up on the stuff. As an \"Improve your existing relationship\" or \"Spice up your marriage\" potion, the stuff has something magical.
Maybe it\'s the fact that it IS somewhat subtle in its effect, and doesn\'t come across as an \"Assault Weapon\" grade pheromone that gives it its potential in this regard. Stealth may be A1\'s forte\'.

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Haven\'t played in depth, but my first impressions are that mixed about 2:1 with none, andro-1 disguises the heavy alphaness of none without destroying the sexual part. I really want to take the 4:1:1:1 and start upping the middle (none/andro-1) concs. I did add a drop of PI to my half-used up 4:1:1:1. Didn\'t dissolve, shake well before using. Hmmm. This week I played with 4:1:1:1 (the talky hit in the bakery where a female approached me about scones) and the pinky dabs of PI that a.k.a. suggested - a nice hit in a pizza joint from the waitress, where before the end of my meal, she was holding my hand in both of hers, looking deep in my eyes, and telling me about the things she was most afraid of (anchovies, it turns out :-). The waitress hit was very sexy, the bakery hit was a hottie approaching me in chatty mode out of the blue. I would _really_ like to be able to combine the two sorts of hits in one - hotties approaching me in chatty mode, falling into my eyes, taking my hands.

I wore the PI-dosed 4:1:1:1 to a show I played tonight in an art museum. Didn\'t end up being a good test, as there was not a good target there. I had a bunch of folks approach us on the way out and rave about the show. Which was very nice, but that particular audience is usually very appreciative. More testing required.

Anyone tried varying the none/andro-1 concs in 4:1:1:1?

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Well, my mix of Edge, andro-1, and SOE is about

4:4:1:8
-nol:-none:-rone:andro1

This is actually in the ball park of human sweat. Still testing but things looked brighter this week. =)

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Looks like you have just about what I figured I\'d end up with: the 4:1 nol:rone, with the none:andro-1 equal to the nol, and 2x andro-1. Hmmm. I think I\'m going to sneak up on that a little at a time. I\'ll keep you all posted.

[a.k.a.]

Wilde,
Thanks for taking the time to run such thorough tests on the stuff. I just tried it a couple of times, decided it was good stuff, and jumped right into playing with formulas. But what you say jibes with my limited experiences. I was getting -none type hits at twice the concentration of what I would use with -none.

After reading your post and thinking about truth’s “human sweat” formula I’m tempted to try a new 4:1:1:1 formula, with andro 1 as the main ingredient and the other pheros included to “pick up the slack”.

[oscar]

a.k.a.,

I\'ve always been apprehensive about using A-Rone in any proportion that exceeded 10% of total phero content.
Personally, I\'d probably tweak your 4:1:1:1 recipe to 8:2:2:1 (D,L,N,R) to stay within my self-imposed limits.

Oscar images/icons/wink.gif

[a.k.a.]

Well I started with Wilde’s formula and played around until I got something that smelled \"right\". (Actually it smells a bit like semen.) I ended up with 10 andro 1: 6-none : 3 -nol : 1 -rone. I diluted this to .25mg/ml and got good results over the weekend. Results were particularly good at a bar last night ( I know, results are always better at bars ). The barmaid gave me a couple of free samples ( of drinks that is ). Guys were friendly, girls were physical and one of them (girls that is) invited me to her place to watch videos. (Right. Videos.)

Today I got lots of hits rollerblading and etc.. But I’m starting to realize that I always get excited about every new formula or product that I try, and start selling it like it’s the best — until I get a notion to try a new formula/product which I get all excited about etc..

I should really just settle on something/anything and focus all this creative energy on getting a steady girlfriend.

Then I can test all my formulas on her.

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What about side effects of andro1? With stuff containing -none I find it hard working, and especially studying, since my concentration and calm is affected. I saw someone mention head aches after using large doses of andro1, but have you guys noticed any other effects on yourself?

[slatedrake]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truth:
\"I\'ve been going Phero free for this past week to see a comparison. I\'m not sure if the lack of phero\'s (especially Andro1) is having any direct impact, but I have been fighting with my gf all week.\"

These seem to be contradictory statements?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Truth,

What I was saying is...

I stopped using the Andro1 to see if I would encounter any behavioral changes in my girlfriend. I had been using the Andro1 on a regular basis around her for the past week or so, and things had been going amazingly well in regard to us (as per previous posts). She was having abrupt mood changes (bad to good) and was feeling very loving, attentive and aroused by me.

When I STOPPED using Andro1 or any other phero last week, my girl friend turned into a raging bitch! Hence my statement, \"I\'m not sure if the lack of phero\'s (especially Andro1) is having any direct impact, but I have been fighting with my gf all week.\"

It seemed that there was a correlation between the lack of Andro1 and the increase in her aggression toward me and lack of any kind of intimacy...

As an FYI! Baby I\'m back!

Ok, Here\'s my new mix that I tried last night

10 parts cologne
5 parts Andro1
1 part NPA

I mix this is one of the atomizers and sprayed it twice into the air in front of me. I then walked (fully dressed) through the resulting mist for a light dosing.

I rolled over to my girls house around 8pm last night and her and a friend were just hanging around drinking some beers and talking. We all ended up playing some video games and generally just hanging out.

Both of the girls was really very nice and attentive last night, not a big deal with my girl, but her friend is usually very cold and stand-offish around me. Last night on the other hand she was touching my leg, chatting me up, laughing at dump shit that I said, etc...

No play last night, but it seemed that both of the girls couldn\'t get enough of me...all in all pretty cool.

Truth – I’m going to give your:

15 parts cologne
5 parts Edge
1 part Andro1
1 part SOE

A try this week. Looks like it might have a nice amount of all the necessary ingredients…Any further updates on this mix? Any way you have tweaked it to improve effect?

Later and thanks!

Slate

[Shoe]

whoami -

I\'ve noticed a pronounced effect on my own mood with Andro-1. I feel kind of nervous and dissastified with everything . Kind of like a pack of alpha males are stalking me and scrutinizing everything images/icons/shocked.gif . Now maybe I was just having a bad day, but I\'ve used it four times so far, and noticed it every time. My highest dose was four drops (with cologne to cover), and I felt so bad I scrubbed it off! Anyone else experienced this?

On the positive side, I\'ve noticed strong hits, like -none, but less intimidation factor. Two drops seemed to work for me like one drop of NPA (both in cologne of course).

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[xvs]

Shoe: that\'s how I feel with NPA. Anxiety and depression mainly.

Hmm... which pheromone makes US feel good? I don\'t think one has been found yet!

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Wow, Slate, you\'re stories are pretty convincing! You\'ve pretty much done and A-B-A study with your girlfriend. =).

Not too much more to report for my mix, but it\'s still promising enough to stick with it. I\'m putting one spray on my shirt and one drop between my forearms. No refresh. I\'m trying the minimalist approach. At least I know I won\'t get any negative reactions!

[slatedrake]

Truth-

Well, I haven\'t tried the

15 parts cologne
5 parts Edge
1 part Andro1
1 part SOE

Truth1 mix yet, but I might try and mix some up tonight. I am becoming a HUGE fan of the Andro1, it\'s still giving me really great consistent behavior from my girl. Though I have noticed that the initial passion has slightly tapered off.... I still get the great reactions and a much friendlier girlfriend, but I’m not getting laid like I was when I first exposed her to the Andro1. This really wouldn’t be all the abnormal as we seem to run in ‘burst’ when it comes to fooling around. DAMN!

Another thing I just thought of after reading one of Zarracks latest posts is that it\'s working for both of us, and we both have these hot little Italian princess as our girlfriends. Seriously, his girl sounds INCREDIBLY similar to mine, especially in regard to the whole mood/behavior thing. Maybe Andro1 has a better effect on some predisposed genotypes? Is anyone else trying this out with Italian/Latin girlfriends? I’d really like to know, I bet there very well could be something to either the whole biological baseline for the girls, or perhaps just from the fact that they share some kind of shared environmental upbring (father’s that basically pampered them and told them how special they are until it filled their already beauty swelled heads&#8230 images/icons/wink.gif This is all just speculation on my part, so I’m looking for more feedback.

Just keeping a great thread going and giving my latest. Looking to hook the Truth1 mix tonight.

Later,

Slate

[Mtnjim]

Been using A-1 with P-10 for a while. Some of you may have seen my post about after \"the change\" and my interest in an \"older\" (my age) woman. I still haven\'t found the right combo to see any effect on her, but...
Last night I was at her house for a BBQ with some friends. I had put on 1 drop of P-10 and 4 drops of A-1 both on the neck. I didn\'t put on any scent, but I was wearing a shirt that I had worn the evening before when I went out. I had worn some scent that night and it is possible that some had transfered to the shirt. There was this friend of hers there. She is a 30something horse trainer (that is at least a 9.5in looks). We had met several times before-even spending some time together. Last night when I walked in, she came up to me sniffing and telling me that I smelled good. She then started hugging me and sniffing my neck. She asked me what I was wearing and I told her the truth--I hadn\'t put on and scent. I then mentioned that the shirt I had on I had worn the night before when I went out and suggested that some scent may have gotten on the shirt and that this is what she was smelling. She sniffed my shirt and said (sounding unconvinced) that \"ya\' that must be it\".
I think I could consider this a minor hit (she knows of my interest in the other woman).

[bills]

any more on Andro 1??

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Whitehall, so what do you think of the A-1 sample I sent you? I\'m still not convinced that this is the same stuff in Realm for Women. Of course, RFW may contain some estratetraenal as well.

[Whitehall]

This is the Week of the Curse so experimentation is on-going. In the house I\'ve tried RfW in the aromatherapy ball and not - with - she was pleasant; without - she was not pleasant. When outside the house and with her, when I wore the Andro-1, she was pleasant. Tomorrow I\'ll try just Andro-1 in the aromatherapy ball.

I can\'t answer whether or not RfW and Andro-1 have the same active ingredient but the effects are similar and positive on menstruation grumpiness. Andro-1 does lack that sweety-flowery-girly smell of RfW.

Last night my 10 y/o daughter brought the aromatherapy ball to me and asked what was in it because it smelled so good. I told her it was mommy\'s perfume that I had bought her. She was all over me that evening - much more affectionate than usual. She just showing signs of estrogen (fuller lips, heard talk of training bras, etc) so I\'m a bit leary of broadcasting pheromones in the house since there has been speculation that pheromones provide developmental cues for children.

Still, everyone wins if Mommy\'s not a beast.

So thanks again, Truth! Check the threads by Zarrack for further reports.

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So, what is this aromatherapy ball you put pheros in? What does it do?

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\"aromatherapy ball (a little plug-in heater with a porous, replaceable pad for essential oils, etc)\"

I see it was in the other thread. Hmm... I guess this is the solution to dispersion consistency. Maybe, someone should make a portable one to fit in our pockets. =).

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I got mine at Chamberlain\'s, which is the local health-food store. I also have one for the car - it plugs into the 12V outlet. I think I got that at the auto department of a drugstore.

[Whitehall]

I\'ve got the one for the automobile also but it doesn\'t get much use since the car is a convertible and I\'m in California.

There have been questions about dispersion for parties, etc. The aromatherapy ball is a great product - I\'ve got two - one for the home and one for the office - not counting the one for the automobile.

[oscar]

Gents,

There IS something out there that can be used as a pocket phero dispenser.
Check out your local cigar store. They usually sell at least two different kinds of small plastic humidifiers that could easily double as phero dispersal units.

One type is a plastic bottle about the size of the old AE bottles. It has a screw-on plastic lid packed with a wicking material that vents moisture through holes in the sides of the lid.

The other type, which might be a bit more useful, has a snap on lid on one end, and a twistable cab on the other end that allows a variable release of the contents of the bottle by exposing from one to four holes around the wicking material.

If you really wanted to go ape-shit, you could get one of those chemical hand warmer packets that they sell at ski shops and wrap that around the bottle to accelerate the diffusion.

But to be perfectly honest, I haven\'t tried any of these things personally. images/icons/crazy.gif

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[Shoe]

Great story... I love the part: \"Did I go too far in the name of science?\"

[slatedrake]

All,

Just wanted to provide an update on my experience to date with Andro1.

Saturday night, April 27th, 2002.
Background: Girlfriend worked all day, has to work all day Sunday, and for the next 6 days, and is in the prime of her period.
General Mood: Tired and really pissed off at the world. Bad to Worse
Her Pet Peeve: My consistent and unnecessary lateness.

Well, my girl arrived home from work around 4:45pm on Saturday afternoon expecting to find me at her place waiting to hang out and generally be there to see her. As she has been working almost around the clock, we haven’t seen much of each other lately. I on the other hand decided this would be a fine time to hang-out with a buddy of mine and help him with some odd jobs around his house. She calls me on the cell around 5 and inquires where I am. This is it I decide, a perfect time to see if the ole’ Andro1 can really come through and turn something around for me. So instead of speaking to her like I usually would, and letting her know that I’m sorry for running late but I’ll be over soon, I decide to be a dick, and let her know that I lost track of time, and I’m not sure when I’ll be able to make it over. She blows up and tries to lure me into a fight on the phone. I tell her I’ll call her in a little bit and hang up. I know she’s pissed now.

She calls back around 5:30, and now I’m at my place and I let her know that I need to take a shower, she’s trying to be reasonable so she asks if I want to come over and shower with her, I tell her no, I’d prefer to just shower by myself now, and I’ll see her in a little while. Now she completely freaks out and starts yelling about how I suck, and brings up a fight about something that had happened a few days ago, that should have been put to rest. She rants on about this for about 10 minutes, and then I tell her to ‘chill out’, upon which she begins to lose her grasp on the small amount of humanity she has left and flys off the handle on me. I proceed to tell her I’ll be over in a little while and hang up.

I shower and clean myself up and proceed to apply my new mix of:

20 parts Green Irish Tweed
10 parts Andro1
5 parts The Edge

After seeing the post on the discounted Green Irish Tweed, I went ahead and picked myself up a 4oz bottle. I’ve always enjoyed the scent, but never really felt like dishing $150.00 for 2ozs!

In the past she has reacted very well to the Andro1 when she has been in a bad mood, so I felt that this would surely push the limits of her reactions. I sprayed two blasts from the atomizer on my chest, and then dressed. After dressing I sprayed once more around my neck, and then added another 2-3 drops of Andro1 by putting it in my palm and rubbing through my hair and around my face and wrists.

I arrived at her house around 6:45 or so. Very, very late. As I walk in, she doesn’t even bother to look at me. I take a seat on the couch next to her, and her head never moves. Her lips are pursed and I swear that twin furnaces are raging behind her eyes. I spend a couple of minutes making small talk to a friend of hers that is also over, and turn to look at her every once in awhile. She never looks at me. She never even acknowledges my presence. I start to panic a little, “did I go too far in the name of science this time?”, “What if I now have to put up with this all night?” I start to contemplate a night full of unbridled anger and the consequences of what happens when you treat a young beautiful princess badly…bad things man, bad things.

I’ve been over at her place for about 5-7 minutes now, and I’m really hoping the Andro1 can save my ass or it’s going to be a cold night in Spring. A moment passes and we both happen to look at each other at the same time. She still looks pissed, but I think something might be finally starting to crack the ice. A moment later a hand sweeps across mine and comes to rest on my arm. Her friend leaves the room and I lean over so she can get better whiff of me, and be close enough to whisper “hey, I missed you today”.

The fires are still burning behind the eyes, but it looks like they have been taken down a few degrees, she starts to mumble some sort of retort, thinks better of it and then just puts her head on my shoulder. We kiss and the rest of the night she is in a fantastic mood! There is no way I can attribute these results without factoring in the A1 in the mix. She would usually be pissed for the better part of the night, and I would have to hours groveling to even raise a smile out of her. Instead, she let it go, and switched gears on the drop of a dime on probably her worst day of the month. Thanks Andro1!!

Last night I tried the straight GIT/Andro1/The Edge mix without any additional A1 and not only was she in a great mood for the whole night (I was also on time and also very nice to her) but we finished the night rolling around her room and she actually came before I did!

Not sure how effective NPA/The Edge/APC/JB#1/SOE have been for me. To date none of them have produced the consistent and favorable results that any type of mix heavy in A1 has for me. Given, I’m usually using this to get a better response from my girl, and not to meet other new people.

Side note: Had to crack open my second bottle of A1 for the episode on Saturday night. Well worth the price of admission.

Anyone else have anything to add of late? Always looking for new ideas!

Thanks,

Slate

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I am using SOE/PCC/a-1 the last couple of days and I also see some interesting things due to the a-1. I keep on testing to find out what exactly is happening. images/icons/smile.gif

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[Whitehall]

I see that Berliner\'s new organization, Pherin Corp., is actively pursuing a new pharmaceutical for PMS using their pheromones. Their website says that they started clinical trials!

So our observation of the utility of Andro-1/RfW in taming the accursed she-beast is shared by Berliner and some real money. Of course, they want a prescription drug to maximize their profits while Andro-1 is unregulated - for now.

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[Nutt]

wow, better keep an eye on that, may want to stock up on Andro-1 if they do images/icons/laugh.gif

[HB_88]

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I used a bunch of Andro-1 at work today -- much more than I\'ve ever used of any other pheromone in a single day -- and all the women were very friendly and chatty. Since -dienone\'s mood-elevating effects were first observed near open flasks of human sweat, it\'s almost safe to assume that we can use lots and lots of it. Right? (That\'d get expensive quickly... images/icons/mad.gif ) Looking back over this thread, it seems that no one has ever found the real o.d. threshold, and this may be why.

Also, how many bottles of Andro-1 does Love Scent have left? They oughtta have a countdown.

Thanks!

HB_88 images/icons/laugh.gif

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So how much did you use? No one has found the OD threshold. Anyone have an idea on the minimum dose?

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Just thought I\'d add in some minor notes on the topic...

The story:
I purchased a bottle of A1 about two weeks ago. I\'ve been using it in a modified JB2 concoction: 7 SPMO 3 NPA 3 AE 6 A1. I had been using this combo without the A1 for about a week beforehand, and result had been negligible. I should note that I\'m almost exclusively interested in the results on my spouse, and so haven\'t been looking for any obvious hit reactions elsewhere. Most of the time, I\'ll apply the mix right before I go home from work, or right after the kids have been put to bed, to gauge maximum effectiveness at home.

The application:
I\'ve played with anywhere from 1 - 6 dabs, almost always in the pits (Once I tried in the crooks of the elbows). Each dab delivers (roughly) .005 mg A1.

The results?
any application above 1 dab has a positive effect on her mood. While she has never had a volatile temperament, she is definitely more relaxed, seemingly happier, and more positive about my contributions to our relationship. Of course the role of the -nol in elevating my own mood doesn\'t hurt either, as it makes me more willing to be helpful and attentive.

Does it get hits?
Beats me, but it certainly lays a good groundwork for day to day relationships...she called me at the office and told me to buy some tickets for an upcoming NBA playoff game..that I deserved it for being such a good husband...don\'t worry about the expense...and take a friend...so it\'s not toe-curling sex every night, but it\'s still pretty damn good.

So, Bruce, how many bottles of A1 left?

[a.k.a.]

I just ordered another bottle because I’ve been experimenting with lots of different formulas (that I will probably never use).

I’ve settled on three mixes, depending on my mood and circumstances:
a) a Nol heavy formula that seems to make women instantly bond with me = 4 Nol : 1 None : 1 Rone : 1 A1.
b) a None heavy formula for eliciting smiles, double-takes, stares and other ego boosters = 9 None : 4 Nol : 3 A1 : 1 Rone.
and c) an Andro 1 heavy formula that seems to invite flirting and teasing = 9 A1 : 4 Nol : 3 None : 1 Rone.

I use all three at .5mg/ml. Three dabs from a 3 ml bottle like the ones in the chem kit.

The Nol formula is more subtle in public, more dramatic in bed. But all three increase hits and sexual responsiveness, to varying degrees.

[xvs]

Have you tried these with and without the -rone?

Do you find the -rone is helpful? What effects do you see it having?

I have so far found that -rone seems to cancel the effects of the others.

[slatedrake]

Weird experience with Andro1.

Went over to a buddies house for dinner last night. He\'s a VERY athletic good-looing guy that\'s also very bright, loving, etc... Basically a great guy.

It was myself, my girlfriend, a friend of hers, my buddy and his wife.

I had on one spray from an atomizer of the 20 parts Green Irish Tweed, 10 parts Andro1,
5 parts The Edge mix, and about 5 extra drops of Andro1 on my shirt/pants.

My buddy, who is normally very reserved, quite, not showing off at all got very .... macho on me?? Hard to describe, but he was taking off his shirt (god..he\'s ripped too...) flexing around, went and changed into a very tight short-sleeve shirt. Talked about lifting and stuff all night.

All in all, kind of unusual for him.

Not sure what the deal was, could possibly be completely unrelated, but wanted to make a note of it.

Andro1 turning normal Alpha\'s into ego maniacs??? Anyone else with similar reactions?

Slate

[Whitehall]

OK, an intimate dinner party with TWO new females, one of them unattached plus his wife there, at risk. Looks like classic male competition for a harem to me, a lot like elephant seals in fact.

Add some exogenous pheromones, mostly male, and the tension builds....

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Man, I havn\'t been here for a while. Got sick of the B.S. It\'s good to see that so many people are still buying A1! whatever, when Bruce told me the idea wouldn\'t fly and it would just be a fad so I shouldn\'t really waste my time with it. Somehow I seemed to pick up the ball get it rolling created an iterest in it and got knocked down \"like a bowling pin\"(GratefulDead} How many days is a fad anyway. Never did here back from you Bruce on that special business proposition. hmmmm.....Personal Comments. Gripes, mones, bitches. rickarmstrong3@attbi.com I know you will see this one truth.
Yours Truly,
Cheated Thunder.

[slatedrake]

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OK, an intimate dinner party with TWO new females, one of them unattached plus his wife there, at risk. Looks like classic male competition for a harem to me, a lot like elephant seals in fact.

Add some exogenous pheromones, mostly male, and the tension builds....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmmmm.....should have come up with that one myself.

Thanks Whitehall!

Side note:

Changed up the batting order yesterday and put on two sprays of JB1 in the morning.

Things went fine all day, worked out at lunch and then DIDN\'T shower (no time...) and then showed up at the girl\'s place around 6 or so.

Holy crap did she go into a noise-dive BAD mood!!

Took my a good hour to bring her around. Could be the JB1, maybe after working out it degraded a little or something, but I need to remember never to try that trick again.

Not only does she seem REALLY sensetive and receptive to Andro1, but she obviously is overly sensetive to the NONE in JB1.

Be good,

Slate

[a.k.a.]

xvs,
I\'ve tried othere mixes with and without Rone. But all my A1 mixes (so far) have had it. In other mixes, it seems to make for stronger hits among women, more bonding behavior from guys, more powerful (or at least more animated) orgasms for women, and some girls only react if it\'s in the mix. That\'s why I added it to my A1 mixes, without even wondering if I needed it or not.

On the other hand, the smell reminds me of mothballs and it leaves me feeling a bit lethargic and unmotivated. So I\'ll probably try these formulas without, just to see if A1 somehow makes Rone unnecessary.

[Whitehall]

When I look at the metabolic pathways for the sex steroids (link under a separate thread), rone shows up repeatedly as an end point. Hence, one would expect rone to be excreted proportionate to sex hormonal levels.

That means that we would vary in our natural output of rone assuming we excrete rone through our skin.

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Has anyone measured the volume of a dropp from the Andro1 dropper? I saw Wilde Oscar mention 0.02 ml for some eye dropper, but is that the same dropper or a different one?

I got my Andro1 yesterday and will try it out today in a meeting with a few women in a couple of hours. I was thinking maybe one dropp rubbed over my hands to start with.

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yes Monkey it is. If you want the history behind the name, give Bruce an e-mail. Interesting tale...

[Whitehall]

Oscar,

read your private mail!!!

[Naughtymonkey]

Gents

I am right in thinking that A-1= androstadienone? (forgetting the bond subsitution for a moment). Cos I did post under antoher thread a recent article reporting trials with androstadienone, if it is, I am happy to explain.

Yours,

I should really mug up on my chemistry

NM

[Naughtymonkey]

Walter thanks, in that case, I should bring your attention to a post I put up last sunday but with the exception of JVK, noone else seemed to notice:

There is an article in todays Sunday Times (UK) where our one and only JVK is quoted. Interestingly, it also reports work by a certain Patricia Wilson~
\".....exposed women to the pheromone androstadienone found in human sweat. \"It has significant direct effects on human behaviour and emotions\" says Wilson. Women exposed to it increased a set of behaviours that include flirtatious body language, while they reduced nervousness. They also reported a decrease in depression and showed lower fear and anxiety.\"

Andro-1????????????

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Have been trying A1 out a couple of times now. I used one dropp rubbed over the hands on the opposite side from the palms, and covered with one spray of cologne which was also rubbbed in the same way. I\'s say there is a distinct scent to the stuff. Not unpleasant, but quite noticeable and it stays there long after the cologne wears out.

The first time using A1 was in a meeting with a few women. They were all quite happy, but I can\'t say that it was because of the A1.

The second day, in a bus after recently applying it, there were no free seats so I held on to a pole. After a couple of minutes two women sitting right behind the pole started looked quite disturbed in a negative way. Not extreme, but still... Judging by that I\'m not so sure there isn\'t an OD-level to this stuff. But of course, thats just one single event and since there was no actuall interaction it\'s even harder to tell.

A third observation was more interesting. I was talking to a woman in her early 20s in a small room for about half an hour. Strangely, within a few minutes she started acting as if she was a _lot_ younger, almost like a little girl. She was fidgeting and moving about in the chair. Also, she didn\'t seem to be able to focus her thougts enough to get her ideas across and her speech was very unorganized.

Still no one who knows the volume of a drop from the A1 dropper?