Women Can Smell a Man's Intentions

[belgareth]

Women Can Smell a Man's Intentions

By Melinda

Wenner (melinda.wenner@gmail.com), Special to LiveScience
posted: 09 January 2009 10:20 am ET

The twinkle in his eye,

his swagger, that sexy smile — all are clear signs he's

in the mood (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080610-bikini-effect.html).


And, at least subconsciously, a woman can also tell by the scent of his sweat, according to new research.


Scientists have long debated whether humans, like animals, use

chemical signals called

pheromones (http://www.livescience.com/health/041104_sex_and_smell.html) to

communicate sexual

interest (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060118_armpit_odor.html) to potential mates. Problem is, the effects of pheromones are thought to be subconscious

— meaning that if we do communicate using them, we sure don't know it. It's also hard to know what these

pheromones might be and how we sense them, so researchers understand little about them.
But if human pheromones

are going to be anywhere, they're going to be in sweat, right? Denise Chen, a psychologist at Rice University in

Houston, and her colleagues devised an experiment to compare how women respond to different forms of

male sweat (http://www.livescience.com/health/060621_sweaty_cities.html) —

sweat produced in everyday situations versus that produced when a man is turned on.
The researchers speculated

that if humans do produce and respond to sweat pheromones, then a woman should respond to a guy's sexual sweat

differently than she does to his normal sweat.
Chen and her colleagues asked 20 heterosexual guys to stop wearing

deodorant and scented products for a few days. Then they told the men to put small pads in their armpits as they

watched pornographic videos and became aroused (the researchers confirmed, using electrodes, that the images did the

job). Later, the guys were asked to exchange those pads for fresh pads to collect the sweat they produced when they

weren't aroused.
Then the researchers recruited 19 brave women to smell the men's pads while undergoing brain

scans.
The investigators used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), a technique that reveals the brain

regions a person is using at any given time — even if their brain activity is subconscious.
Sure enough, the

women's brains responded very differently depending on which sweat they sniffed. (And no, none of them passed out.)

The sexual sweat, but not the normal sweat, activated the right orbitofrontal cortex and the right fusiform cortex,

brain areas that help us recognize emotions and perceive things, respectively. Both regions are in the right

hemisphere, which is generally involved in smell, social response, and emotion.
The findings bolster the idea that

humans do communicate via

subconscious chemical

signals (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060118_armpit_odor.html), notes Chen in her study, which was published in the Dec. 31 issue of the Journal of

Neuroscience.
Our sexual intentions, in other words, may be a lot clearer than we ever intended them to be.

That crush you have on your co-worker? She may already know — at least subconsciously.

[chicago]

Dr. insect Chen has no clue

whats going on in the real world. Anything will cause activity in the brain. People like her are to busy labeling

things. They have no clue whats going on in the real world.
Just like the pick-up artist scams. Billion dollar

industry scam. Few guys i know spend thousands of dollars learning cocky and funny routines and attended seminar's.

They wasted their money. :frustrate
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[belgareth]

That's a rather narrow

interpretation of peer reviewed scientific research. Comparing it to the tripe in the PUA community is much like

comparing a paper airplane to a supersonic jet, there is no real comparison. Are you aware that different portions

of the brain light up for different reasons? It has become specific enough that computers reading brain scans can

come very close to determining a person's thoughts and memories?

You do, of course, have the right to view

research in any fashion you like but such a statement seems pretty ignorant. I will agree with yo about PUA seminars

though.

[chicago]

Tonite I'm going out to a nite

club. I'm taking my laptop with me. I'm gonna walk up to girls and connect to the laptop to their brains and check

out brain activity.:rofl:
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[belgareth]

I'm just wondering where you

are going to get the scanning and imagery equipment. Kinda large and cumbersom to carry in your pocket.

[chicago]

:type: Thats it. Hot chicks for

everyone. Dr.chen figured it out.
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[idesign]

Dr. insect

Chen has no clue whats going on in the real world. Anything will cause activity in the brain. People like her are to

busy labeling things. They have no clue whats going on in the real world.
Just like the pick-up artist scams.

Billion dollar industry scam. Few guys i know spend thousands of dollars learning cocky and funny routines and

attended seminar's. They wasted their money. :frustrate

Its just this kind of research that has produced

synthetic pheromones to begin with, allowing you to have your "real world" fun. Don't bite the hand that feeds

you. :)

[DrSmellThis]

Dr.

insect Chen has no clue whats going on in the real world. Anything will cause activity in the brain. People like her

are to busy labeling things. They have no clue whats going on in the real world. :frustrateI'm getting

deja vu. Didn't I just correct somebody on this exact same flaw in reasoning? The point is not that there is

brain activity, the point is that there were very specific kinds of brain activity, in specific, well known areas of

the brain.

If you are saying there is some problem somewhere with the interpretation of the results, I might

agree with you. It was probably the journalist rather than, Dr. Chen, who concluded from that, that "a woman can

smell a man's intentions". You can't quite make that scientific leap, from the little I read that Bel posted.



But what you can tell seems very substantive still. That is, a woman smelling your spent sexual hormones from

watching porn will likely become somewhat more perceptive or attentive toward your emotions as well. C'mon,

Chicago. With anything scientific you have to think through it carefully, not just proclaim it gospel or total

crap. :welcome:

[chicago]

:type: Dr.smell, what do you

think is pure attraction,???
Why some guys with or with out pheromones can get chicks. ???
Dr. smell sometimes

you have to loose you self to find your self. think about

that:welcome:
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[belgareth]

Do you mean "Without added

artificial pheromones"? And have you considered the training we all have had all our lives in how to respond to

certain types that normally have a given signature? It isn't nearly so simple as you'd like to believe.

[idesign]

Why some

guys with or with out pheromones can get chicks. ???


It seems to me that's exactly what Dr. Chen is

trying to figure out with her research, to our benefit. :cheers:

As an aside, "Dr. smell" seems rather

derogatory and disrespectful. A simple DST or Doc will suffice if you don't want to spell out DrSmellThis. Sorry

for being an etiquette cop. :rant: Its part of my "signature". :)

[Rbt]

Tonite I'm

going out to a nite club. I'm taking my laptop with me. I'm gonna walk up to girls and connect to the laptop to

their brains and check out brain activity.:rofl:


I'm just wondering where you

are going to get the scanning and imagery equipment. Kinda large and cumbersom to carry in your pocket.



"Is that a computer and imaging/scannig equipment in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

Hey, maybe

it would make a fine PUA "prop/gimmick." As long as you don't trip over the cables...

\o/

[Nick666]

Men can smell a woman's

intentions... ? :think:

[belgareth]

Men can

smell a woman's intentions... ? :think:
I wouldn't be surprised. We are still animals despite our vrey

thin layer of 'Civilization'

[kgk4569]

Well Chicago Lets do it this

way:

1. The brain is made up of "lobes"
2. impulses cause lobes to have electrical and chemical activity.
3.

this activity can be monitored, and recorded with various instruments.
4. through trial and error scientists have

documeted the function of many different parts of the brain, and identify them as "lobes".

So what Dr. Chen is

doing is basicly studying if the different sweats cause the lobes to change from their "normal" state, what lobes

these are, and what reaction is caused by these changes.

her research seems sound.

as for your assertation

that some guys can get women without "mones". That is a lie. you are always producing pheromones, unless you have

some genetic anomaly. We, in applying these products, highlight certain pheromones, bringing them to the forefront.

This is much like make up and clothes highlight certain physical characteristics.

There are alot of other

things that go into attraction. And in no way id Dr. Chen claiming that pheromones aer the end all be all of

attraction.

[chicago]

:type: kgk4569 : you are

absolutely right.
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[DrSmellThis]

It seems

to me that's exactly what Dr. Chen is trying to figure out with her research, to our benefit. :cheers:

As an

aside, "Dr. smell" seems rather derogatory and disrespectful. A simple DST or Doc will suffice if you don't want

to spell out DrSmellThis. Sorry for being an etiquette cop. :rant: Its part of my "signature". :)I

didn't read any disrespect from the youngster, but etiquette is almost always wise. :cheers:

[idesign]

Yeah Doc, and you're quite

capable of taking care of yourself, I just bristle sometimes at certain manners of address.

No offense meant to

chicago.

Beers on the house! oops, sorry Bruce... beers on me!

[DrSmellThis]

I really do appreciate your

efforts to maintain certain standards for discussion.

I can talk trash as well as the next guy, but talking trash

is something you do just for fun when it is prudent and safe to do so.

Man I would love to cut loose sometimes

and fling some monkey poop. But then I'd be in deep doo doo with idesign! It is far better for us to control

ourselves and discipline ourselves to discuss by the rules. :)

Thank you for helping to moderate the forum in

that way.

[chicago]

:type: Dr.SmellThis:hammer:

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[idesign]

Well Doc, don't be so quick to

thank me, I just flung some poop on another thread, but it was in Open Discussion, and it wasn't real poop, just

political discussion poop, which doesn't count. :)

chicago, how do you come up with these great graphics?

Pretty cool stuff! Hey! are you a blonde curly headed girl in real life? No wonder you're so popular! Cute dress

btw... and funny post
:rofl:

[kgk4569]

yeah a good poop flinging is

sometimes what is needed.

the other day on this tech forum that I hang out on one of the regular members has

been a bit trollish lately. He made a stupid comment about how MS only puts out new OSs to take money from people. I

totally pwned him, it was fun. he even admitted that he was royally pwned.

[belgareth]

Speaking of moderation, can we

take this back to the topic?

[tim929]

Topic? you want to be on topic?

There goes the neighborhood.....

There have been a number of experiments of this type conducted using everything

from printed oppinion forms filled out by the participants to MRIs and I wouldnt be supprised if somebody tried

doing disections befor and after the experiment. The one thing that has been fairly consistent is that men and women

realy do respond to the opposite sex differently under conditions involving sweat and arousal. The hard work isnt

figuring out that it works...the hard part has been figuring out how to enhance responses from the opposite sex to

our individual advantage.

Thats where we come in.......

[belgareth]

Topic? you

want to be on topic? There goes the neighborhood.....

There have been a number of experiments of this type

conducted using everything from printed oppinion forms filled out by the participants to MRIs and I wouldnt be

supprised if somebody tried doing disections befor and after the experiment. The one thing that has been fairly

consistent is that men and women realy do respond to the opposite sex differently under conditions involving sweat

and arousal. The hard work isnt figuring out that it works...the hard part has been figuring out how to enhance

responses from the opposite sex to our individual advantage.

Thats where we come in.......
Ah...well!

You know how it is. Got to do something to justify my incredibly high salary.

Hey Tim! Long time. Good to see

you around.

It surprises me the number of people who still stand firm on the idea that heromones do not work. A

lot of people think the whole thing belongs in the same catagory as bigfoot and UFOs. I'm not complaining. It gives

us fruitcakes a leg up in society.

[idesign]

High salary? Damn! I've got

to talk to Bruce...

I was never much interested in the "science of attraction" until I found these Mone thingys,

and find the science pretty interesting but not all that useful. I think behavior is too complex and unpredictable

from setting to setting to be able to nail down some kind of formula for success. Knowing that Stimulus A triggers

Response B in Location C in Brain D only tells us what we know from experience. Knowing how an internal combustion

engine works does not make me a better driver.

Pheromones definitely work, and will "jump-start" a situation, but

you're still left with what you can do afterwards to manage the response, as Tim said.

Dos centavos

[Mak]

Very

interesting research, to know the (why) and (How) in the brains ..

But do we want to really know ?

With

social science being advanced, if that type of brain activities research would produce the conclusive results, with

'guaranteed' implements, products, to trigger exact and guaranteed results ... it won't be days til it is all

'on the market', products for sale left and right ...

Then where would that take us ? - no initiative,

spontaneousity, excitement, experimentations, successes and failures.

Would humans then evolve and find other

methods of selections ?

Hope we get close, but not close enough to our detriment

[jumprunner]

:type:

Dr.smell, what do you think is pure attraction,???
Why some guys with or with out pheromones can get chicks. ???


Dr. smell sometimes you have to loose you self to find your self. think about that:welcome:




Allright hold it!!!! I think we are getting a bit off track here.

People have just GOT to stop assuming that

phermones pick up chicks, and understand what a phermone is.

Mood altering, or behavior altering substances. Not

attractants or aphrodisiacs. You want to alter someone's mood, get them to be more talkative, so you can have an

easier time chatting her up and picking her up.

I think it is why so many people are skeptical about

phermones...everyone is way too into thinking they are there as attractants or aphrodisiacs when in reality, they

are just substances that alter mood, or better yet influence mood.

I have found in myself that cognitive

thinking can override any mood altering effects from a phermone, so wearing Androstenol and telling someone to 'get

fucked' is not going to get them in a good mood, wearing it and smiling, saying hi, starting up a conversation has

a high probablility of getting someone in a good mood. Unless something else is bugging them.

I have found that,

they can alter mood, but they dont get you the chicks. You still have to do that, phermones can just help

significantly at setting the mood.

[jumprunner]

Well

Chicago Lets do it this way:

1. The brain is made up of "lobes"
2. impulses cause lobes to have electrical and

chemical activity.
3. this activity can be monitored, and recorded with various instruments.
4. through trial and

error scientists have documeted the function of many different parts of the brain, and identify them as "lobes".



So what Dr. Chen is doing is basicly studying if the different sweats cause the lobes to change from their

"normal" state, what lobes these are, and what reaction is caused by these changes.

her research seems sound.



as for your assertation that some guys can get women without "mones". That is a lie. you are always producing

pheromones, unless you have some genetic anomaly. We, in applying these products, highlight certain pheromones,

bringing them to the forefront. This is much like make up and clothes highlight certain physical characteristics.



There are alot of other things that go into attraction. And in no way id Dr. Chen claiming that pheromones aer the

end all be all of attraction.


I dont know about this, I think Chicago might be right in that yea,

guys can get chicks without phermones, but I wouldnt say 'some guys', I would say any guy who looks decent and

knows how to chat up a girl and say the right things can get the girl without phermones.

So that is persuation,

and phermones can magnify, or intensly magify that persuation, make you a lot more persuasive.

Can you keep up

the perfect line? Sure, but for how long? Like how many chicks do you have to go through before you finally pick one

up? It can get to be exhausting if you have to work too hard, I like making things easier on myself. That way you

can get more girls.

[jumprunner]

High

salary? Damn! I've got to talk to Bruce...

I was never much interested in the "science of attraction" until I

found these Mone thingys, and find the science pretty interesting but not all that useful. I think behavior is too

complex and unpredictable from setting to setting to be able to nail down some kind of formula for success. Knowing

that Stimulus A triggers Response B in Location C in Brain D only tells us what we know from experience. Knowing how

an internal combustion engine works does not make me a better driver.

Pheromones definitely work, and will

"jump-start" a situation, but you're still left with what you can do afterwards to manage the response, as Tim

said.

Dos centavos


When it comes to sex, people are about as complicated as it can get. Youve got

fetishes, things that turn certain people on or off, its not like an animal...when one gets in the heat it has sex

with whatever happens to be available. Phermones can defineitly be used to control sexual behavior of an animal, but

people arent that simple and they always have the choice based on what thier preferences are.

[kgk4569]

I dont

know about this, I think Chicago might be right in that yea, guys can get chicks without phermones, but I wouldnt

say 'some guys', I would say any guy who looks decent and knows how to chat up a girl and say the right things can

get the girl without phermones.

So that is persuation, and phermones can magnify, or intensly magify that

persuation, make you a lot more persuasive.

Can you keep up the perfect line? Sure, but for how long? Like how

many chicks do you have to go through before you finally pick one up? It can get to be exhausting if you have to

work too hard, I like making things easier on myself. That way you can get more girls. Without additional

mones yes. But your body is always producing pheromones, so it's virtually impossible to have no mones at all.

[Rbt]

Actually as I understand it,

pheromones don't necessarily "alter" behavior, especially in us "higher forms" who also use concious thought. They

are just a form of chemical communication between organisms.

They might "influence" behavior, but the "altering"

part is up to the brain. And although pheromones may "communicate" with the more "primitive" parts of the brain (eg

brain stem as some call it), the end behavior still must be "filtered" through the semi-concious mid-brain and more

or less fully conscious upper-brain (if we also assume the "triune" brain theory).

Which of course, like has

been said, means it comes down to still having to *act* on or dig out and encourage whatever feelings may be being

evoked by the actions of the pheromones on the body/brain.


Just my thoughts fer what they is worth.



:think:

[Irish]

This study adds to some previous

work, that demonstrated people can tell the difference between “normal” sweat and sweat produced under fearful

states. Dogs aren’t the only animals that can “smell” fear, people can too. Now this study says sweat produced under

arousal can also be distinguished, unconsciously anyway. This should be very interesting to anyone who pores over

this forum, because it lends credence to the idea that pheromones exist naturally in humans, and have true,

measurable effects. Pertaining to sex.

Various studies have shown brain and hormone effects from exposure to

sweat and other human pheromones. Some off the top of my head include: increased excitement and euphoria, increased

focus and attention, increased attractiveness (British studies), increased activity in the sexual areas of the

brain, effects that only occur in the opposite sex, effects that only register in the presence of the opposite sex,

switched results in homosexuals, nervous system activity changes, changes in hormone release and rates, changes to

women’s menstrual cycles, and on and on.

And I’m not talking about a few cranks out there writing in a blog,

These are peer reviewed scientists at major universities writing in respected scientific journals. The growing body

of work makes it clear that pheromones do exist in humans and affect our state of being and behavior – it’s clear to

anyone open minded who reads the studies (I was originally a skeptic, but was willing to be won over if I could find

solid evidence. And boy, did I ever!). The existence of human pheromones shouldn’t surprise anyone either, since the

non-human animal kingdom (and plants too!) operate heavily on pheromonal signals.

Really the remaining

questions aren’t about the existence of human pheromones. What remains to be understood is the specifics of the

messages we are transmitting. Science is working steadily to decode the messages and effects contained in human

pheromones. And some of us are out there doing our own non-scientific “research”, dosing up with extra pheromones

and watching for results!

[missteekai]

So if a guy would not

naturally be attracted to you (that is without the artificial -Mones), exactly what influence would the -mones have

on him/how effectively could they change his opinion? -I know you cannot be 'exact' with this, that there are so

many other factors involved. :)

[chas]

'Mones are applied because they

can lead to sexual interest. It is believed that they are detected by the VNO (Vomeronasal Organ) in the nose. This

is a separate thing from a sense of smell. There is a direct link to the brain of chemical messages I believe.



They work for some people on some occasions - how 'effective' also depends which 'mone product

applied, your body heat, skin exposure .... They are well worth experimenting with & for fun.

I used 1/2

'The Edge/men' gel pack (TE/m) on my neck & a girl sitting next to me ended her conversation with me by saying

'Is there anything else you would like ?'
I replied that I always like to look at the menu before I make my

selection :)