View Full Version : Pheros concentration/dillution
Pendragon
02-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Has
anyone had person say Pheros stinks to them? I put 2ml of Pheros into a atomizer and had 4 female friends smell it.
It was the unconcentrated (comes in a full bottle) version with nothing added to it.
3 of the 4 said it stunk
and 1 said it wasn't bad, but was too strong. I did get a good reaction from another friend using Tgparkers combo
of 1:3 Pheros:Old Spice though. I was just wondering if anyone thought the "regular" version of Pheros was still a
real concentrated smell as well.
DrSmellThis
02-21-2009, 08:40 PM
That is so far the most
pointedly negative feedback on the actual smell of Pheros I've received, although it always has been a scent
that isn't everyone's cup of tea.
In general it wouldn't appeal to those who like light, super clean, fresh,
citrusy, summery scents, like Gegogi. That is unavoidable because of the choices I made in constructing it to go for
a bit more animal appeal for the forum's purposes. But I'd more expect to get the "cup of tea" reaction from that
crowd, if you know what I mean.
Generallly I think of it as a bit too mellow smelling to come across as strong
and stinky per se.
Did something react with the perfume, perhaps something in the atomizer?
Did you have them
smell it out of the bottle or on you?
When you smell it, does it stink to you? does it smell like it always
did?
Is there a possibility of contamination? I know for me I'm always careful to wash my hands before using it.
Any kind of funky substance has the potential to react with it, spoil it, turn it sour, or contaminate it. Had you
added pheromones to it?
Just curious -- how old were the females?
Pendragon
02-21-2009, 09:50 PM
I think it smells great both
concentrate and regular myself. Thats why I was so surprised at the faces they made. As if I stuck a bottle of EoW
under their nose.
3 of the 4, the ones who didn't like it are in the range of 42-45. The youngest one, 29, is
the one who said it was good, but too strong.
It was a brand new atomizer I had just received in the mail that
same day. I didn't wash the atomizer out before adding the Pheros though. So its not enitrely out of the question
that might be a factor but I wouldn't think so.
They did smell it right out of the bottle. It didn't occur to
me at the time the difference in concentration between smelling 3ml straight versus 1 or 2 sprays worn by a person.
I was already wearing something else and didn't want to cross the smells. I had just taken it along for their
opinion of it since I like it and wondered what others thought.
Something curious I have noticed though between
the concentrate and regular Pheros bottles though. The regular bottles appear to be a murkey shade and looks to
have a "sediment" that settles to the bottom of the bottle like some ingredients that didn't completely disolve.
While the concentrate appears a more solid color with no "sediment" at the bottom.
I've been sure to shake the
bottle and mix it together before drawing it out with a dropper just in case the flakes add something the scent.
ilikephero
02-22-2009, 04:37 AM
I
think it smells great both concentrate and regular myself. Thats why I was so surprised at the faces they made. As
if I stuck a bottle of EoW under their nose.
3 of the 4, the ones who didn't like it are in the range of 42-45.
The youngest one, 29, is the one who said it was good, but too strong.
It was a brand new atomizer I had just
received in the mail that same day. I didn't wash the atomizer out before adding the Pheros though. So its not
enitrely out of the question that might be a factor but I wouldn't think so.
They did smell it right out of the
bottle. It didn't occur to me at the time the difference in concentration between smelling 3ml straight versus 1 or
2 sprays worn by a person. I was already wearing something else and didn't want to cross the smells. I had just
taken it along for their opinion of it since I like it and wondered what others thought.
Something curious I have
noticed though between the concentrate and regular Pheros bottles though. The regular bottles appear to be a murkey
shade and looks to have a "sediment" that settles to the bottom of the bottle like some ingredients that didn't
completely disolve. While the concentrate appears a more solid color with no "sediment" at the bottom.
I've
been sure to shake the bottle and mix it together before drawing it out with a dropper just in case the flakes add
something the scent.
I think the women who are in the range of 42-45 are not your targets. And as you
mentioned, the young one said it was good. The result was not bad,
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chicago
02-22-2009, 11:36 AM
What works for some, does not
work for everyone. Pheros did not work for me. Every time I wore it, people said I smell weird. I'm sure Pheros
works amazing on some people, but not for me.
:nono:
________
LovelyWendie (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)
I have the regular "diluted" Pheros
product, and have always applied it by dabbing it on. I have never had a negative comment, although I have gotten
sorta "neutral" comments ("it's alright...").
I personally think it's a great scent, but I consider it a
"winter" or "special more formal occasion" scent rather than a "summery" "light" (ie Cool Water type) scent.
But
different strokes for different folks...
kgk4569
02-23-2009, 06:03 AM
I've gotten nothing but
compliments on the smell of pheros, but I only wear the equivelent of 1 or 2 dabs. although when it is freshly
applied it is a bit overpowering.
DrSmellThis
02-28-2009, 11:31 AM
I can tell you, though, that
before I put Pheros into a new bottle from the factory, I personally wash that little bottle five times
with detergent and grain alcohol. The bottles I use aren't particularly clean coming out of the factory.
I
think the problem could well have been a dirty atomizer bottle. At least it would be hard to rule that out, And the
odds seem high that it would be a problem to some extent..
Before putting any organic matter into a new bottle
from a store, one should wash the bottle. It is no different with a natural perfume. It's probably more important
in the subtle realm of nature's scents.
It just takes a few molecules of something sometimes -- a contaminant --
to throw the smell in another direction.
Pendragon
02-28-2009, 02:53 PM
I hadn't heard of washing
with grain alcohol. Is that to kill germs and bacteria?
I tried a mix this week of 2ml Pheros, 3ml Old Spice, 5
drops npa, .5 SOE gel. Asked one of the person again that previously said it wasn't good. This time just smelling
it with 2 sprays on my neck, she said she really like it.
DrSmellThis
02-28-2009, 10:02 PM
Washing a bottle with hot
soapy water, and rinsing thoroughly, is probably enough in your case. Probably.
But the alcohol of course is a
good solvent that kills germs and removes things that soap can't. You could use 151 rum or grain alcohol.
Rubbing alcohol (at the strongest strength, -- usually there are two strengths at the store) would be OK if you
also clean and rinse the bottle thoroughly afterwards with soap and water. Always follow a hot rinse with a cold
one, to remove soap residue. That is typically most convenient and cheapest.
If you are mixing it with Old Spice,
all bets are off. I have no idea whatsoever what that would do.
Oh, BTW: Five drops of NPA would be an OD
ten times over for me, and would stink like hell on my body. If you're worried about stinking, you want to rule out
an NPA OD. Some few people can wear that much, but a large majority cannot.
Pendragon
02-28-2009, 10:43 PM
Yes. 5 drops by itself I would
think way too much. Although 5 drops mixed into 5ml of a cover. Then 1-2 sprays I would think would be less than 1
drop. I think when I tried to measure it awhile back that 1 spray was roughly equiv to .1ml (or maybe .01ml..I
forget which at this hour of the night.)
DrSmellThis
03-04-2009, 06:05 AM
Something curious I have noticed though between the concentrate and regular Pheros bottles
though. The regular bottles appear to be a murkey shade and looks to have a "sediment" that settles to the bottom
of the bottle like some ingredients that didn't completely disolve. While the concentrate appears a more solid
color with no "sediment" at the bottom.
I've been sure to shake the bottle and mix it together before drawing
it out with a dropper just in case the flakes add something the scent.The sediment is normal, and is a
precipitate from the variety of organic ingredients.
Part of the precipitate you see was from fresh raw valerian
root, and fresh vanilla bean paste, for example. It dissolves with the higher alcohol concentration in the
concentrated version, but precipitates out with the regular strength.
It doesn't really matter whether you
shake it or not, as the smell is evenly distributed throughout the perfume after all those years maturing. I tend to
shake it once or twice, though, for fun; just in case it makes a difference of some kind.
wlsace
03-04-2009, 08:08 AM
Why would you add valrilium
root to a phero mix? Alchemy!
How could I break mug wort down and at it to my mixtures. also How can I
convert change the ethenal based pheremones to oils??:rofl:
DrSmellThis
03-04-2009, 09:52 PM
Why would
you add valrilium root to a phero mix? Alchemy!
How could I break mug wort down and at it to my mixtures.
also How can I convert change the ethenal based pheremones to oils??:rofl:The valerian root and valerian
root oils (at least three kinds) contain human pheromones, such as iso-valerianic acid, a common ingredient in human
sweat, especially on feet. Dogs also produce the chemical, which is why we call feet "dogs", as in "boy my dogs are
tired". Dogs are comforting to humans partly because of their pheromones. The ingredient is one reason why
Pheros is relaxing to smell for most everyone. Valium can also be derived from valerian, hence the
names.
Incidentally, vanilla is also comforting, as are animal musks, etc., etc.
Alcohol and water mixes do
not mix with oil unless the alcohol level is high. A bottle of Edge will not mix well with oil, though I have mixed
sandalwood oil into a bottle of Edge and it was OK if you kept shaking it. Pure alcohol mixes with oil no
problem.
If you want to add mugwort to a perfume you have to soak it in pure grain alcohol at a high
concentration. Why? Witchcraft!
kgk4569
03-05-2009, 05:49 AM
hmmm, I find dogs overly
annoying. I'm more of a cat person, because they are calmer.
Funny that you mention the feet thing, when I
first got pheros, I wore it the next day at my weekend job, my Supervisor kept going on and on about how great my
cologne smelled. Also in in one of our conversations awhile back he mentioned he has a major foot fetish. this makes
things a bit awkward now come to think of it.....
DrSmellThis
03-06-2009, 12:03 AM
hmmm, I
find dogs overly annoying. I'm more of a cat person, because they are calmer.
Funny that you mention the feet
thing, when I first got pheros, I wore it the next day at my weekend job, my Supervisor kept going on and on about
how great my cologne smelled. Also in in one of our conversations awhile back he mentioned he has a major foot
fetish. this makes things a bit awkward now come to think of it.....Many who have foot fetishes would love
the smell of valerian root, no question, at least at a certain light concentration (the essential oil, especially,
is extremely stinky, but open up a can of valerian root herb and smell if you want to know exactly what I mean). The
smell is, in part, exactly the same. The world of pheromones and smell is interesting, is it not?
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