yes! i received my pheromones

[MeDieViL]

ordered

chikara gel packs, alpha7, liquid trust and npa edit and forgot alter ego
i used soe and chikara gel packs in the

past but not much succes with the soe

i'l post a log here!!

i'm very happy\o/

[Gmoney]

Enjoy the C7, it's my favorite

so far! Maybe a packet of C7 with a drop or two of A7 should do you good!

[MeDieViL]

what is C7?:POKE:

[Gmoney]

C7 is Chikara. I guess it's a

nickname because it's got 7 different pheromones in it.

[MeDieViL]

ah allright:lol:

[MeDieViL]

i applied 2 drops of alter ego

and walked around outside a bit but nothing interesting to report, but just walking around aint that great for

testing either:p

[Sodbuster]

Go to the bar! Wear the

Chikara and a little bit of Alpha7. Don't forget that you have to approach the women, this will just help you once

you've made the approach. Want to see mones at work? Head to the club.

[MeDieViL]

today i gotta go to school to

get my exam results, i just applied alpha 7, apperantly everyone like this one so i'l see how this one work
its

also weekend so i'm going out tonight :)

[MeDieViL]

didnt notice anything special,

but everyone seemed very friendly but nothing that i would say is a hit
tried alpha 7 2 days, used 2 drops each

time

[idesign]

A7 is more of a sexual product.

Try out your Chikara to start with, I think you'll get better results. If you go to a bar or party add a drop of

A7 to your C7.

[MeDieViL]

allright i'l play around with

chikare more, but if A7 is more sexual shouldnt there be girls looking at me? or does this only work once you get

along with a girl, and it are the other pheromones that catch the girls attention?

[Gmoney]

If you're very aware of the

body language, you should be able to percieve the difference, if not, you'll probably mostly notice the difference

after you initiate contact.

There may be the rare instance where it's completely obvious this girl is smitten

with you when she normally wouldn't be, but it's rare. Actually, not quite so rare in situations where alcohol is

involved as inhibitions are lowered.

[idesign]

If you're

very aware of the body language, you should be able to percieve the difference, if not, you'll probably mostly

notice the difference after you initiate contact.



Bingo.

Pheromones do require some effort on

your part, perhaps even more so since you should be paying attention and making more of an effort to put your

sexy-smelling self forward in a good manner.

If anything, wearing pheromones has made me pay attention to my

manner in general when around people, both professionally and socially.

[MeDieViL]

today i apllied 2 drops A7 and

some chikara, i can definatly say that they dont work because i went away with some friends, but some of them dont

give me any respect and there was no change today

[Gmoney]

Were you inside? Outside? How

much Chikara? How close proximity? Mones are more effective with people you haven't met before than they are in

changing the minds of people who already have you pigeon holed. They can help with both situations, but will be

more dramatic with new people. Also, if you went away outdoors, you can pretty much write it off to that, I've had

very little luck with outdoor mone usage.

[MeDieViL]

i was outside... well going to

work tomorrow but wonna try a new mix

any suggestions on dosages/ mix just for getting more respect from guys

(not many girls on work anywhay)

[belgareth]

If you keep randomly hopping

from one thing to the next and applying random mixes you'll never get it figured out.

Let's start at the

begining. What are your goals? You mentioned respect, is there an issue here with getting respect from others? It

isn't something that comes for free or out of a bottle, it's earned. Are you behaving in a manner consistent with

the mones you are wearing and the respect you are trying to acheive? If not, forget it. You aren't going to get

anywhere. Wearing mones is like wearing new clothes or a woman wearing makeup. They add to what your body language,

your personal grooming and your use of your spoken language already say about you. Dressing an orangutan in a suit

and tie does not make him an executive. Wearing alpha type mones does not make you an alpha unless the rest of your

personna is alpha.

To begin, what are you trying to achieve? And what is your over all personna? Be specific

and be honest with yourself about it. Mones are not miracle workers but with some methodology and a reasonable

approach they can help you be more successful.

[MeDieViL]

is there an issue here

with getting respect from others?just friends of friends they dont like me all that much, but its not like

they bullie me, they ignore me a litlle, i'm trying to achieve some more attention from those guys, when they dont

ignore me as much i'l try to initiate some conversations and work my way up for some respect, i know the mones dont

do that for me, but i was hoping they make it a litle easier



To begin, what are you trying to achieve?

And what is your over all personna? Be specific and be honest with yourself about it. Mones are not miracle workers

but with some methodology and a reasonable approach they can help you be more successful.i would like to get

more respect from guys and more attention from women, i used to be pretty shy because i've got social anxiety, but

i did find some good medication so thats allmost gone now :)

i know pheromones are no miracle potion, just trying

to achieve what others did when reading hit reports

so i decided i'm gonna keep experimenting with A7 only or in

combo's and the other ones later

[Gmoney]

I had some good results this

weekend with the guys on my kickball team. Most were already friendly, but a couple were down right standoff ish

towards me. Anyway, at this party, I was wearing about 25 inches of SOE and 2 drops of A7, and the standoffish guys

were much friendlier. But it was inside, and I'm overall a pretty confident cat. But ya know, some people just

won't like you, try to recognize when it's a lost cause.

My full hit report is called Finally, hits with

SOE+A7

[belgareth]

Personally, I believe that to

get good with mones you need to work with a single product until you understand what it does and how much you need

to wear. Then move onto another product and do the same thing. Once you have several products that you understand

you can start mixing and know what you are doing. Otherwise, learning anything or becoming competent so you get good

results is going to be pure luck.

Gmoney is right that some people are never going to like you, others are just

assholes to everybody and still others are trying to prove how good they are by being jerks to others. In general,

screw them! Ignore them and don't waste any more thought on them. They are not worth your time or trouble. You know

who and what you are, if they don't like something about you it is their problem and not yours. Don't let some

bloody jackass belittle you like that. You do not need them and should stop trying to get them to like you. All that

does it gives them control. If you are always willing to ignore them or walk away then you have control.

[MeDieViL]

allright, i'l start

experimenting with A7, i'l go lower and only use 1 drop, as i allways used 2 drops before, that could have been the

problem as i'm only 20 years old

[Mtnjim]

...

Dressing an orangutan in a suit and tie does not make him an executive.

You don't know some of the

executives I do.

Listen to Bel and the G man.They know what they are talking about. Also, beside the "Alpha"

mones, you need to include some "Socials", like SoE and the ~nol's.

[belgareth]

You don't

know some of the executives I do.

Good point! I used to work in the corporate world and there were

plenty of orangutans in high places. Sometimes I think and other times I'm sure that semian attributes are a

requirement to high government office. I haven't seen a high level politician that was smarter than a chimpanzee in

many years. If you want to get picky about it, I'd be willing to bet that most bonobos are smarter than the average

human and definately smarter than the best politician.

[MeDieViL]

You don't

know some of the executives I do.

Listen to Bel and the G man.They know what they are talking about. Also,

beside the "Alpha" mones, you need to include some "Socials", like SoE and the ~nol's.
i used soe gel

packs in varying doses before without any result, but i'l try a full pack...

today it ried 1 drop of A7 without

any result

[MOBLEYC57]

i used

soe gel packs in varying doses before without any result, but i'l try a full pack...

today it ried 1 drop of A7

without any result

Where did you apply your 1 drop ... did you wear a cover scent?

How old are you

MeD? You seem in such a hurry. You're personality plays a BIG role in what the mones can pull off or not.

I'd

say that everything you try, needs to be for AT LEAST 7 days. So what no one tears off their clothes and jumps on

you. You need to learn all the subtle moves/movements that women give off before you can tell if mones are working

for you. Without that knowledge, you're in trouble.

I could be wrong here, so don't start shooting. :angel:

[MeDieViL]

i'm 20 years old, i dropped

the A7 on my hands and then rub it on my neck, i just sprayed some AXE on it...

[Gmoney]

Instead of putting it on your

hands(palms), try dripping it on a finger tip and spread it around that way. The idea is to lessen the amount of

product that gets absorbed into the skin of your hands, which should be washed often, and to maximize what gets to

your targetted location. Some people can put it on their wrists and then rub their wrists on their neck, so none is

wasted. I don't seem to be that flexible...

[MeDieViL]

allright i'l try that thx

[Rbt]

For "respect" I'm thinking maybe a

touch of a314 - IF you can pull off the later versions of Sean Connery's James Bond character. You gotta be able to

"use" what pheromones give you. (a314 is heavy on androsteRONE).

My thought.

[idesign]

For "respect"

I'm thinking maybe a touch of a314 - IF you can pull off the later versions of Sean Connery's James Bond

character. You gotta be able to "use" what pheromones give you. (a314 is heavy on androsteRONE).

My

thought.

Great point Rbt. With all Mones, you need to present yourself in a manner congruent with your

Mone signature.

That's to say if you smell sexy, you'd better present yourself that way, or at least

potentially sexy. Same goes for respect, you have to personally elicit the respect that the A314 is signaling.



IMHO, a lot of OD and "no results" scenarios occur when a pheromone signal does not match the wearer's persona.



:goodpost:

[MeDieViL]

hmm, srry i'l i look like an

idiot right now but when i wear alpha 7 how would i need to act then? sexy? is acting with loads of self confidence

sexy?

thx

also, when i take MDMA i vet very extroverted, a total personality change (even after i came down

from E the next day but i'm still there without any social anxiety) i notice that ppl are alot more friendly to me,

maybe i start acting like my natural pheromone profile then?

[belgareth]

In large part people are going

to mirror you and how you act. We all do that subconciously as a means of making others feel more comfortable. So

when others are friendly you might consider how you are acting, are they being friendly because that is what they

see from you?

Self confidence is something that you can learn to have and when you have it, it shows. In my own

case, depending on my mood and what I want somebody to see I have been called self confident, amusing, gregarious,

aloof, kind and arrogant, to name a few of the more polite ones. Every one of them is true and to some degree it is

true of everybody else. The most shy person can become a prima donna when you enter into their field of expertise

while the aloof and confident one can become a nervous clod in an area where they have no experience and feel

overwhelmed. The trick is in what you show to others and there are a plethora of books on the subject.

The first

thing to learn is to understand who and what you are and to like yourself. The next is to watch others reactions and

act on those reactions. Things like eye contact and an erect body posture are very important.

It may not be my

business and feel free to say so but, are you also undergoing counseling for your disorder or is it strictly

medication? An experienced counselor could advise and guide you far better than most of us here.

[DrSmellThis]

Bel gave some good

advice.

Self confidence is definitely something you can talk yourself into having.

Self confidence is often

misunderstood. You don't need to think "I'm great" or "I'm successful", or "I'm a stud". Of course, positive

self esteem helps a lot. But...

You can get rid of most of your insecurity without thinking anything about

yourself at all!

Usually if you are able to feel love for the other person, think positive things about them, get

rid of your fear of them, you will then have the guts and comfort to have some positive interactions with them. This

is still something I talk myself into quite often. Having some understanding toward another person, a stranger, is

a great thing to practice. Think about how they're probably a great person with good intentions; and feelings just

like yours, etc. Put yourself in their place, etc. Then all of a sudden they're a real human being to you, instead

of just an intimidating, sexy, object of desire, for example.

It just takes a minute of meditating on this to

produce the desired effect in yourself.

Taking the focus off yourself in that way actually will come across as a

kind of self confidence, because you are not self-conscious.

Thought I'd mention it, since it's probably

the most neglected, and yet still essential, part of self confidence. We are too focused on individualism in our

culture, IMHO; and that is only half the coin (of life, concept, identity, etc.). Here I am talking about the other

half.

I'd even go so far as to say that "self-confidence" without "the other half" is a shallow, fragile kind of

self confidence. You risk coming across as arrogant instead of confident, in that case, more often; or fake,

etc.

BTW Bel, MDMA is a recreational drug, otherwise known as "ecstasy"; not a mental condition. I've never

taken it, but hear it can sort of induce positive social feelings while high on it. The advice I am giving

MieDievil is about producing the same bottom line effect, I think, without the drug. Ecstasy can sometimes be

dangerous, if you are unlucky.

[belgareth]

Doc:
I was giving him the

benefit of the doubt as he had earlier described himself as having a social disorder and stated that he had found a

medication that was helping him. It was my understanding that he was on a medication, which led to the next

assumption: That he was under a doctor's care. The MDMA was a side issue that I was not going to comment on. It's

been a long time since I used recreational drugs and that was one that was not readily available in my day, if it

even existed. So I am not qualified to comment on it. His body, his right to do as he will with it.

MDV:
The

good doc is right. The more you take yourself out of your own mental framework and try to understand the other

person, the better you'll feel about yourself. In most ways we are all alike. The guys who bully and ignore you are

doing so for their own egos. They think they can look big and brave in front of their friends by picking on you.

They are only showing you their fear of their so called friends. Those are people you would be far better off

without.

Rather than fear or hate them you should pity them for the small minded cowards they really are. They

have pretty much the same mindset as rapist, wife beaters, the skinheads, the klukkers and all the other mindless

haters in the world. If just once they come up against their physical equal or betters you'll get to see them

grovel and beg.

[MeDieViL]

thx for the advice but i think

my social anxiety is fully caused by some sort of chemical imbalance, there is nothing wron with my thinking, i know

there is no reasen to be "afraid" and my anxiety seems to go up and down, it feels like a "barrier" around me that

just doesnt allow me to be myself
in fact i feel pretty good about myself, my anxiety isnt even gone when i take an

opiate or drink alcohol even ghb doesnt seem to work, so i'm pretty sure its something with my brains
my motor

coordination is horrible too (you know the sky kids that you see that really cant hit a ball when playing soccer:p)

when i took a psychedelic it was fixed, all drugs working on serotonin work

i am not really under docter care, i

just got medication prescribed from him, theres no therapy


They think they can look big and brave in front

of their friends by picking on you.i know, there suddenly came alot of new ppl in our group but most of them

dont like me, the older ones do, but it isnt as fun going away with them when the others are

around...



BTW Bel, MDMA is a recreational drug, otherwise known as "ecstasy"; not a mental condition.

I've never taken it, but hear it can sort of induce positive social feelings while high on it. The advice I am

giving MieDievil is about producing the same bottom line effect, I think, without the drug. Ecstasy can sometimes be

dangerous, if you are unlucky.i know alot about MDMA, its pretty safe when you drink alot and try to keep

yourself cool, xtc deads are related to body heat

offcourse i didnt have much self esteem before i used mdma, but

the day after mdma my anxiety is all gone, it didnt use to be that way the first weeks i took it, the chemical

anxiety was gone but i didnt have the self confidence, i builded that tough, and theres no sign of anxiety the day

after mdma now

[idesign]

The most

shy person can become a prima donna when you enter into their field of expertise while the aloof and confident one

can become a nervous clod in an area where they have no experience and feel overwhelmed.




Bel gave some good advice.

Self confidence is definitely something you can

talk yourself into having.

You can get rid of most of your insecurity without thinking anything about yourself at

all!

Taking the focus off yourself in that way actually will come across as a kind of self confidence, because

you are not self-conscious.

I'd even go so far as to say that "self-confidence" without "the other half" is

a shallow, fragile kind of self confidence. You risk coming across as arrogant instead of confident, in that case,

more often; or fake, etc.



thx for the advice but i think my social anxiety is

fully caused by some sort of chemical imbalance, there is nothing wron with my thinking, i know there is no reasen

to be "afraid" and my anxiety seems to go up and down, it feels like a "barrier" around me that just doesnt allow me

to be myself

when i took a psychedelic it was fixed, all drugs working on serotonin work

i know alot about

MDMA, its pretty safe when you drink alot and try to keep yourself cool, xtc deads are related to body

heat

offcourse i didnt have much self esteem before i used mdma, but the day after mdma my anxiety is all gone,

it didnt use to be that way the first weeks i took it, the chemical anxiety was gone but i didnt have the self

confidence, i builded that tough, and theres no sign of anxiety the day after mdma now

I have more than a

little experience with that "barrier" MDV, and have always thought of it as a prison that kept my real personality

locked up.

You're right, confidence is only part of the problem. When your natural confidence evaporates at a

critical moment you wonder why.

The key for me lies in what Doc and Bel said, kind of converting inner

confidence into something usable socially. Bel's example is spot-on. I liken that scenario more to having

"security" than "confidence". If you are secure in your environment, you will be confident. In my work environment

there is built-in security and I'm in charge. Socially, I've had to find ways to anchor myself to something

solid, and what I've discovered works best is exactly what Doc said, other people.

If you shift your focus from

yourself, and become good at it, you're suddenly unaware of any problems with yourself. It takes some practice,

but its very liberating. You will project a quiet confidence people will find attractive. You won't be trying to

impress them, they'll enjoy the attention you pay to them and their interests, and you'll set yourself apart from

the goats.

Its a good skill to have in general as well.

MDV, when you say "psychedelic" did you mean

"psychotropic"? Acid or Prozac?

Unlike Bel, I don't mind saying that recreational chems are a really bad idea.

Sure, the immediate "benefits" are seductive, but if you have brain-chemical problems to begin with, you really

don't know what these things are doing up there in the long run, especially in conjunction with prescribed meds.

I'm not meaning to condemn you or your actions or anything MDV, its just my opinion. :)

Back to an earlier

question you had, many, many women find the kind of quiet, self-assured, outwardly focused confidence attractive.

Mix it with a little humor and your A7 will steer it sexual. But you have to lay the

groundwork.

You seem to be thinking a lot about various things relating to this stuff, that's a big advantage in

your favor.

[MeDieViL]

i was talking about acid, the

effects MDMA has on the brain arent that bad, it makes your brain less sensitive to serotonin, but for me taking

MDMA weekly improved my life dramatically, i'm very interested in recreational drugs, and how they work, i know

their full mechanism of action, i also take piracetam a nootropic wich takes away any comedown mdma could

cause


If you are secure in your environment, you will be confident.true, i used to talk alot and

get lots of attention with my friends, but because of those new ppl i feel insecure and i'm very quiet

the

treatment i'm trying is very controversial to say the least:p

[idesign]

//preaching on//
In my day it

was Coke, Ludes, Reds, Black Beauties, Yellow Jackets, Microdots, Yellow Sunshine etc etc. and of course pot and

alcohol. Of course we "knew what we were doing" and had figured out their "mechanism of action". What we did not

know was the cumulative effects of playing with brain chemistry on an ad hoc basis, and the effects on emotional

development, which is key. What I do know is that the ones who continued in that lifestyle were the

ones least capable of healthy social function, whether it be women or work, they eventually fell between the cracks.

At the time I would not have traded the thrills for a future, but I'm glad I eventually did.
//preaching

off//

As a recovering social cripple who has learned more than a little about how to function with a social

disability, I can only say that anything you can do to reform your inner thinking will do the most good. I

understand the need for a "bolstering" stimulus. I also understand that therapy, counseling and inner work has done

me more good than any med. Its the skills learned which enable good functioning in any environment,

no matter who the players are. A solid sense of "self" is critical, and it can only be found when you look for it,

and develop its inherent qualities. To the extent you mask it or artificially manipulate it, you will either

postpone its growth or lose it altogether. That would be sad.

I apologize for the seemingly harsh post MDV, esp

in this forum. Its just that you remind me of myself. Of course that could be an insult to you. :)

I promise

that any further replies will relate only to pheromones. :)

[belgareth]

In support of ID:
I moved away

from the friends I had in the old partying days. After about 15 years I ran into one of my old friends and we spent

some time reminissing. He was still in touch with the remaining people from the old days. In total, of those that

stayed in the partying scene, about half were dead, the other half either in jail or pretty much just losers. The

were unemployed or under employed and making nothing of themselves.

It is your life to lead and I have no

problem with where you choose to go in your life. You can do whatever you like but reality is still reality. ID is

right about screwing with chemicals in an ad hoc manner. The claim you know what they do is nonsense because science

only knows a small portion of what they do. That's why they are still researching the brain, drugs and their

interaction. Hell, a doctor is guessing when he prescribes most of those drugs.

In any case, its your choice.

All I am saying is that you should make informed decisions but even that is your own business.

[MeDieViL]

Thx for your replies, i know

what you guys are trying to say, i'm trying to use drugs in a responsible way, i dont think about themall the time,

and i took breaks before

now back onto the pheromones, i decided i'm gonna experiment with one product at the

time now and for now the "social" ones, and maybe when i go out the sexual ones
i'm gonna start with the chikara

gel packs for this week, i'l try dosages like 1/4 of a pack, 1/2 and maybe a full pack, i'm going to my work in a

few hours

[MeDieViL]

yestersday i applied half a

pack when going to work, i noticed 2 things

theres a girl working there i allways look at so i case so looks back

i smile at here but usually she looks right next to me, this time she looked at me and smiled back

i work in an

supermarket and i was looking where to put some thingsi couldnt find at first and some stranger that works there at

the other side tried to help me finding it

[idesign]

Those look like possible hits

MDV. Gradually increase your dose and you may get more action. I don't use gels as a rule, but have heard of a

full C7 pack getting good results. Good luck and have fun!