View Full Version : *Pheros* Concentrate inquiry
DrSmellThis
06-14-2008, 08:10 PM
Greetings.
It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your pulse to find out how
many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.
This will be the last shipment, and the last of the
product, so I just want to get a feel for things.
The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml of the cologne, but
contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.
The full cologne version probably
smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is designed to store
better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data to back up this
hypothesis.
You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But the pure
distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume before
mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own water.
What
say ye all?
Pendragon
06-15-2008, 06:46 AM
Is the Pheros concentrate
meant to mixed with another cologne?
I may not be the best one to answer,
as I am really conservative with Pheros. It's just too much of a "special occasion" thing for me. Almost "too
good." I bought a bottle years ago shortly after I joined up here and I still have about 80% left, plus another
bottle in reserve.
However in general I will say I usually prefer "ready mixed and set to go" products over the
concentrates.
Plus I sorta want to get the product as the "artist" intended, "finished" (although I suspect no
artist ever considers one of their works really ever finished). A concentrate almost makes me think of it as an
"unfinished" kit. To extend the artist analogy, it's the difference between a hung gallery work and a paint by
number. The original artist provides the outline and the paint, but it will lack that final "touch" from the soul.
(Gawd am I being "heavy" today or what?)
Pendragon
06-15-2008, 06:59 AM
Thats what I was wondering if
there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.
I would think the version w/ water would be
better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.
I'd like to try either one. The reviews for it
sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products. Although, if this is the
last call for it then get it while its still there.
DrSmellThis
06-15-2008, 06:32 PM
Thats
what I was wondering if there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.
I would think the
version w/ water would be better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.
I'd like to try either
one. The reviews for it sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products.
Although, if this is the last call for it then get it while its still there.Of course, the fully mixed
version is ready to go and easier to use. It is the version you should get if your only motive is to get some
perfume.
But if you want to save some away, my hypothesis is that the greater alcohol concentration in the
concentrate (as opposed to adding the rest of the water), and the concentration itself; should preserve it longer.
If you are buying more than one bottle, the concentrate might be a good option.
You can always add your own
distilled water (11ml water to make 18ml total) with good results. I assume that everyone who buys the concentrate
would eventually dilute it, but there might be a collector or three among you who would wait indefinitely to dilute
it. Oscar comes to mind.
I will also be giving guidance on how to eyeball it approximately, for those who don't
want to measure 11ml exactly.
When I use Pheros, I always use it diluted to final strength. I do think it
works best at that strength, and ratio of water to alcohol.
idesign
06-16-2008, 05:35 PM
I'll sign up for another bottle
of concentrate Doc.
Pendragon, the non-concentrate version is definitely easier to wear. Though its the same
scent, its softer and more predictable than the concentrate. The constituents release more seamlessly, more like a
commercial scent would.
But if you're a hard-core perfumista, you need to get both versions. For me, the
concentrate tells a story in chapters, with notes more readable individually.
In no way is one version better
than the other, just different wearability effects.
I wear the concentrate when covering -mones, and the regular
version on its own. I don't know why, just seems to work.
My g/f loves Pheros, and wears it with the tiniest
dab of Jasmine EO (thanks Doc). I like it too. ;)
that1guy
06-17-2008, 03:39 AM
Im interested in getting a
bottle of the regular (nonconcentrate) stuff. :)
MOBLEYC57
06-18-2008, 07:14 PM
What's the ETA date, Doc? I
missed out on the last batch. :blink:
idesign
06-18-2008, 08:06 PM
Mobes, you do NOT want to miss
out this time. Pheros is a must have for your collection.
Speaking of which, I just scored the coolest "pen"
spray of real Black Code. Its an 8ml spray in a cylinder with a cap like a fountain pen. Just thought I'd make
you jealous. You gotta get on ebay my friend.
Diverdown
06-19-2008, 02:37 PM
I'll take one concentrate
and a couple of the regular
DrSmellThis
06-19-2008, 06:46 PM
Hey Mobes,
I'm thinking
within the next couple weeks. I've already started bottling, and have been working a while on the various tasks; so
it won't be long.
I'll let you all know when it gets closer to completion.
Mobes, I bet Bruce would be happy
to hold a bottle or two back for such a valuable forum member as yourself! :) What do you see yourself wanting?
MOBLEYC57
06-19-2008, 08:18 PM
Hey
Mobes,
I'm thinking within the next couple weeks. I've already started bottling, and have been working a while
on the various tasks; so it won't be long.
I'll let you all know when it gets closer to completion.
Mobes,
I bet Bruce would be happy to hold a bottle or two back for such a valuable forum member as yourself! :) What do you
see yourself wanting?
If a couple of weeks means around the 5 of July ... I would have time to collect
enough cans to purchase at least 3 of regular brew, Doc. \o/ Hope Bruce is in his GOOD mood. :angel:
Being the
last batch just doesn't sound right. :sad:
Idesign ... have you no shame!?!? :) The only thing worse than a
tease is a pretty tease!
belgareth
06-20-2008, 12:19 PM
I've got two bottles of the
mixed and one of the full strength. If you haven't purchased some of one or the other you are missing out on a
great product. Be sure you get it before it all runs out.
Diverdown
06-24-2008, 10:50 AM
Greetings.
It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your
pulse to find out how many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.
This will be the last shipment,
and the last of the product, so I just want to get a feel for things.
The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml
of the cologne, but contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.
The full cologne
version probably smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is
designed to store better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data
to back up this hypothesis.
You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But
the pure distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume
before mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own
water.
What say ye all?
Will you have larger sizes of the cologne available for sale as well (cheaper
per ml then the smaller bottles)?
Is the list of ingredients identical to the previous compilation?
Many
thanks.
DrSmellThis
06-24-2008, 05:19 PM
Yes, of course; most of the
bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same size; just filled
differently.)
Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.
The only difference, I think, is that the
maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a bit more sense to
the nose with each bottling, IMHO.
For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way the touch of pine
and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy) notes add an extra
dimension to the top end of the woody note.
I also think the spice note is easier to understand, such as the bay
rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult traditions).
The civet also seems more
prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the entire accord.
These changes result,
essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol base; resulting in a bit more liberation
of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll post them. These are just off the top of
my head.
But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.
Bottom line: It's still Pheros, and is
still pleasing to the nose. :)
I'd like to sign up for two
bottles.
DrSmellThis
06-25-2008, 04:10 PM
I'd like to
sign up for two bottles.I assume you are referring to the regular formulation?
Remember, this thread is
to get indications of interest for the concentrate. It is not necessary to "sign up for" or preorder the regular
Pheros perfume.
MOBLEYC57
06-26-2008, 08:54 AM
Doc ... What's the prices for
both going for this last trip around, or are they the same ... can you say? :blink:
DrSmellThis
06-26-2008, 07:04 PM
Doc
... What's the prices for both going for this last trip around, or are they the same ... can you say?
:blink:I know of no price changes at this time, but prices are set by Bruce. Sorry I can't be more
specific.
So it's looking like I should put at least ten bottles of concentrate in the shipment. Since it's a
special interest item, I don't want to go short on the regular bottles.
If anyone else wants to speak up about
it, they should do it soon.
It's a bit sad, to be honest, to see the supply run out.
Sodbuster
06-26-2008, 07:09 PM
I'm
planning to buy
A Pheros bottle (or two
Depending on price).
I'll be going with the regular
version. I don't really like messing with concentrates, simply because I don't have time for the trial and error
that goes with them.
I'm honestly not sure if I will be
ordering the concentrate as I still have at least 1.5 bottles of the "standard" mix. In fact I may not be ordering
more Pheros at all as I like to hold it for special ocassions and there's no sense in me hoarding a supply when
others should be benefiting from this wonderful product. I'm sure my heirs will not have a clue what to do with
it... It's a secret that will go with me to the grave.
In fact maybe I'll have what remains buried with me. Be
the best smelling dude no matter which afterlife I end up in...
DrSmellThis
06-27-2008, 05:28 PM
It does contain a lot of oud,
which has been used traditionally to anoint the dead.
It was reputed to have been used for that purpose on some
guy named Jesus from Nazareth.
idesign
06-27-2008, 05:37 PM
In fact
maybe I'll have what remains buried with me. Be the best smelling dude no matter which afterlife I end up
in...
Whoever that after-person is, they'll compliment you on your good taste.
idesign
06-27-2008, 06:43 PM
Yes,
of course; most of the bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same
size; just filled differently.)
Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.
The only difference, I
think, is that the maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a
bit more sense to the nose with each bottling, IMHO.
For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way
the touch of pine and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy)
notes add an extra dimension to the top end of the woody note.
I also think the spice note is easier to
understand, such as the bay rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult
traditions).
The civet also seems more prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the
entire accord.
These changes result, essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol
base; resulting in a bit more liberation of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll
post them. These are just off the top of my head.
But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.
Bottom
line: It's still Pheros, and is still pleasing to the nose. :)
As an end user I have to agree
with Doc's assesment. I managed to acquire a "vintage" bottle of Pheros from a forum member, and
also have some of the last-released batch. Its maturation is both obvious and pleasing. From your comment here Doc
I can't wait to try the latest batch.
Current perfumery trends tend toward "Light" versions of old products, to
their discredit. Gone (or reformulated) are the deep, sultry animalic sexy scents of the 20's through the 50's.
The 60's brought Patchouli, the 70's oriental overload, the 80's confusion. The 90's overreacted with
chemical cleaners, a bright future with no soul.
The millennia brought niche perfumery and perfume houses in
abundance. Suddenly there was a scent for every perceived nuance, real or imaginary.
The Big perfume houses hit
or miss, subject to the tension between their accounting depts and the creativity of their hired noses.
Niche
perfumers have a better chance at creating a great perfume, but so many are subject to ego and thus triviality. A
few good perfumers have left the big houses for creative freedom. Not all of them are good, a few are.
The
same holds true for natural perfumery. I've tried many of them, and most are not wearable. What they hope to
accomplish in a perfume comes across mostly as an acceptable room spray.
All that to say that we have a
remarkable opportunity with Pheros. It bridges the gap between what modern perfumery has left empty
and what classical perfumery once strived for: pure attraction.
The fact that its formulated with natural
constituents which are historically proven attractants is a bonus.
As it matures, Pheros seems to
be getting better, not lighter.
Doc, I've always caught the pine and spruce blending nicely with the spice. Its
a perfect transition from top to middle. You have to be very attentive to catch the civet, it works underground as
it should. Pheros never ceases to amaze me.
Pendragon
06-28-2008, 06:11 AM
I'd lean more towards the
concentrate version being its the last run. Get as much of the base as possible since distilled water is going away
soon.
MOBLEYC57
06-28-2008, 07:31 PM
If it's not too late ... I'm
wanting ONE of the concentrated brews, too, Doc.
Scary to know it's the last of the last. Might as well enjoy
being one of the ONEs. \o/
Is there going to be a limit on how many of the regular brews one can purchase?
DrSmellThis
06-28-2008, 08:34 PM
That would be a good question
for Bruce, as I don't control what happens once it leaves my lab.
He might be open to limiting the whole
hoarding thing; I don't know. I doubt he's worried about selling the stuff in any case.
I'd like a bottle of
concentrate.
Thanks,
MOBLEYC57
06-29-2008, 02:19 PM
If it's
not too late ... I'm wanting ONE of the concentrated brews, too, Doc.
Scary to know it's the last of the last.
Might as well enjoy being one of the ONEs. \o/
Is there going to be a limit on how many of the regular brews
one can purchase?
Bruuuuuuuuuuce. What's your thoughts, laws, rules on that?
Doc ... do you
have a close ETA on your vodoo brew? Anytime AFTER the 5th and I'd like to push my luck for getting TWO
bottles of the concentrate. :blink:
This Pheros GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sale has got me thinking too much!
:think:
idesign
06-29-2008, 05:53 PM
I'm a little concerned about
supply too Mobes. I'm thinking of upping my pre-order to two bottles of concentrate. Hear that Doc?
This whole
question came up the last time Doc released a batch.
If this truly is the last of Doc's master stock, I wonder
if Bruce would give forum members a week to purchase before releasing it to the regular market, maybe in the "Forum
Club" section. A limit of 2 bottles of each formulation per customer sounds reasonable.
...
Niche perfumers have a better chance at creating a great perfume, but so many are subject to ego and thus
triviality. A few good perfumers have left the big houses for creative freedom. Not all of them are good, a few are.
The same holds true for natural perfumery. I've tried many of them, and most are not wearable. What they hope
to accomplish in a perfume comes across mostly as an acceptable room spray.
All that to say that we have a
remarkable opportunity with Pheros. It bridges the gap between what modern perfumery has left empty
and what classical perfumery once strived for: pure attraction.
The fact that its formulated with natural
constituents which are historically proven attractants is a bonus.
...
Quick comment:
One of
the few sources I now use for personal fragrances is a place whose initials are LP(Magical)P (not sure if I should
name names). The concoctions are considered "potions" and as far as I know are what would be considered "natural"
(they seem to be primarily essential oil blends). Far better than most any commercial product I've tried (we are
excluding Pheros here...) in many cases. The only real problem I have is that one of my "scent test" subjects keep
telling me many remind her of the scent of bath soap(s).
belgareth
06-29-2008, 06:56 PM
If it is not a competitor of LS
and you are not attempting to market for your benefit, we have no problem with you posting a link. If it is a
competitor, you can still mention the name. Another forum is often mentioned here with no adverse effect so long as
you don't use this forum to sell their products or slander them. Why not an innocent, independent and unrelated
retailer of non-competitive products?
idesign
06-29-2008, 07:21 PM
Sure Rbt, you can name names and
even provide a link as long as its not a site that sells human pheromone products.
Yes, that's the gist of so
many natural perfume products. A lot of them smell awfully nice, but its excruciatingly difficult to create a real
perfume from only natural materials.
For over a hundred years our noses have been trained to accept certain
chemical additions to perfume. That's not necessarily a bad thing. One sniff of an early Guerlain or Patou
perfume on a woman and you'll know what I mean.
The problem has come in the last decade or two when costs and
regulations began to prohibit the use of certain raw materials. The result is more chemical than acceptable.
The
constituent scents of raw materials have been isolated into molecular shadows of the real thing. A rose is no
longer a rose, but the formulation of the idea of a rose. That's what we've been trained to know and
expect.
When you use a natural Rose, the memory of a garden filled with complex and intoxicating urges triggers
something different from the substitute, which is "prettier".
To your point (finally), a modern nose reads this a
"soap". The scents used in the natural perfume are not artfully or skillfully blended. What comes across is is not
perfume, which is much more than the sum of its parts. I don't mean this as a negative criticism of your mentioned
product, since I've not smelled it. I only point out what I've experienced with naturally formulated
scents.
That's one of the things which makes Pheros so special. Its good, very good.
The problem is is that LPP did come
out with a few pheromone-containing products of their own. Not a major part of their catalog, but the first did
contain AD products (they now use other suppliers as well). More a sideline experiment and not a major line but...
I have to say that I really am not that fond of the "soapier" smelling mixes (from anyone). The ones that approach
Pheros type effects are my prefferred products. It was just interesting to note how many were "soap-scented."
Granted they were made as potions, not as perfumes.
belgareth
07-01-2008, 09:40 AM
I can't fault your judgment on
either issue. And I fully agree about the soapy smelling stuff.
DrSmellThis
07-01-2008, 03:17 PM
* Mobes: Here in Portland the
temperatures in the 90's and above have prevented me from working at all on this in the last several days due to no
air conditioning. I have to keep the stuff "underground" to keep it cool. So you are safe to order two
bottles.
It's becoming apparent that I'll have to include more concentrate than originally anticipated due to
demand. Thankfully, I've not added the water to any of the bottles yet.
I think around tomorrow or so I'll try
to make a decision as to the numbers of the concentrate.
* Yes, I can assure you this is the last of the product.
I stretched it out as long as I could. Really there was quite a bit of product for a vintage batch, if you consider
how long we've been selling it. People from all over the world are using it now. I haven't even been hoarding any
for myself, although I may have to hold a few bottles back for yours truly and a couple friends/family members this
time ;)
* Natural perfumery is indeed extremely difficult. I often notice that natural perfumes smell "artsy
craftsy", or smell good out of the bottle but not after sitting on your skin.
At one point, I almost thought it
impossible to make a natural perfume; in the earlier days of trying to do it. One perfumer even discouraged me,
saying it is impossible to just mix oils (without employing perfume chemistry) and make a good perfume.
But even
if you know how, supply issues surrounding the best ingredients are making the whole thing almost prohibitive.
Without good ingredients, I cannot do what I intend to do; and am well capable of doing. Before doing another
perfume, I'd have to solve some difficult problems along these lines. I'm telling you, that part takes some of the
fun out of it, since the artist in you just wants to get the good ingredients and create. With unlimited access to
the best ingredients, I'd make something very good tomorrow. This is what derailed the last perfume I had worked on
for two months already. It was a fresher, vintage scent similar to one created at the time of Napoleon, with citrus
and floral elements. But I could not tolerate the results with less than first rate ingredients throughout. I may
have to work out a compromise or 100 at some point, in order to continue.
We will talk about this more at some
point, no doubt.
DrSmellThis
07-01-2008, 05:42 PM
I'm a
little concerned about supply too Mobes. I'm thinking of upping my pre-order to two bottles of concentrate. Hear
that Doc?
This whole question came up the last time Doc released a batch.
If this truly is the last of Doc's
master stock, I wonder if Bruce would give forum members a week to purchase before releasing it to the regular
market, maybe in the "Forum Club" section. A limit of 2 bottles of each formulation per customer sounds
reasonable.Whatever you guys work out with Bruce, and whatever Bruce decides, is OK with me. Obviously, one
thing I wouldn't want is for someone to hoard a bunch and then try to sell it back to folks at a profit, etc.
I
may just put aside 20 bottles of concentrate. But I'll revisit this in a day or so.
MOBLEYC57
07-01-2008, 06:27 PM
*
Mobes: Here in Portland the temperatures in the 90's and above have prevented me from working at all on this
in the last several days due to no air conditioning. I have to keep the stuff "underground" to keep it cool. So you
are safe to order two bottles.
GOOD! Thay haven't been working on it. Funds shipped today for cc usage,
and should hit destination by Thursday! \o/ End results: 2 concentrations and 2 regulars
Sorry about the lack
of A/C.
You won't have to worry about me selling nothing ... unless ... someone starts biding at $1000 ...
don't think I could turn that down, Doc. :nono:
idesign
07-01-2008, 07:22 PM
But
even if you know how, supply issues surrounding the best ingredients are making the whole thing almost prohibitive.
Without good ingredients, I cannot do what I intend to do; and am well capable of doing. Before doing another
perfume, I'd have to solve some difficult problems along these lines. I'm telling you, that part takes some of the
fun out of it, since the artist in you just wants to get the good ingredients and create. With unlimited access to
the best ingredients, I'd make something very good tomorrow. This is what derailed the last perfume I had worked on
for two months already. It was a fresher, vintage scent similar to one created at the time of Napoleon, with citrus
and floral elements. But I could not tolerate the results with less than first rate ingredients throughout. I may
have to work out a compromise or 100 at some point, in order to continue.
We will talk about this more at some
point, no doubt.
Doc, have you run up against any particular ingredient which is impossible to get
nowadays? Anything extinct, either from lack of supply or over-regulation? Just curious.
MOBLEYC57
07-02-2008, 07:05 AM
Doc, have
you run up against any particular ingredient which is impossible to get nowadays? Anything extinct, either
from lack of supply or over-regulation? Just curious.
Yeah, Doc. You gonna answer that incriminating
question? :blink:
Geez, Idesign ... you're such a tease and a trouble maker. :trout:
idesign
07-02-2008, 08:36 AM
Geez, Idesign ... you're such a tease and a trouble maker. :trout:
I'm at least as innocent as I
think I should be, and twice as much as you think I might be, even in my worser moments. :angel: :think:
My
question was purely academic, of course. :)
DrSmellThis
07-02-2008, 04:16 PM
Doc,
have you run up against any particular ingredient which is impossible to get nowadays? Anything extinct, either
from lack of supply or over-regulation? Just curious.There are a number of ingredients that are more
difficult to get, as you might imagine.
But if I had to pick one at the present moment, it would be sandalwood,
which is truly a staple of perfuming.
Due to over farming of this somewhat endangered tree, it is really hard to
get the oil where the trees are aged the proper amount of time. Most companies, when they sell it at all, are
selling oil from immature trees that lack the qualities necessary to use it as a primary ingredient. Whereas I'd
never have considered using the inferior Australian variety before, now that's about all you can find. Good Mysore
is really tough to come by, certainly in quantity at reasonable prices.
Sandalwood is the most used ingredient in
traditional natural perfuming; and is a primary ingredient in Pheros. There are several varieties of very
good sandalwood in Pheros.
DrSmellThis
07-03-2008, 04:23 PM
Yes,
that's the gist of so many natural perfume products. A lot of them smell awfully nice, but its excruciatingly
difficult to create a real perfume from only natural materials.
The constituent scents of raw materials have
been isolated into molecular shadows of the real thing. A rose is no longer a rose, but the formulation of the idea
of a rose. That's what we've been trained to know and expect.
When you use a natural Rose, the memory of a
garden filled with complex and intoxicating urges triggers something different from the substitute, which is
"prettier".As usual, you hold your own quite well when discussing perfumery.
Rose is a great example.
Rose in a modern perfume is largely created with alipathic aldehydes, as in Chanel. These are very nice smelling
chemicals; some of the most useful in perfuming as far as that goes. But they are still chemicals.
Conversely,
the typical natural perfumer will just chuck some rose oil into a perfume and call it a rose perfume. This approach
also fails, to my own standards. Rose oil just doesn't contain all the important qualities and subtleties that a
real rose flower in nature has. The top end is particularly lacking.
In order to get closer to the smell of a
real rose in nature, and the emotional effect; you have to start with rose oil, possibly several varieties for
different qualities, and then begin to a build a scent with more of the essential qualities using other natural oils
to create the whole complex of effects. To use a painting metaphor, it's like saying you would use other colors
besides red to paint a red rose. There are various ways to do it, depending on what kind of rose you want. I wrote
about this in some detail in the "perfuming basics" thread; I think with a basic recipe.
Natural perfumers tend
to neglect all that, because they are typically new agey artsy craftsy types that think it's already beautiful
enough to use all organic ingredients. Because nature is, you know, beautiful and all. They typically lack the crazy
passion, creativity, sick aesthetics, and killer instinct that the best perfumers have. That, of course, is just my
opinion, and I suppose, prejudice. There are exceptions.
Unfortunately the best perfumers are often prisoners of
their accounting departments, as idesign points out.
MOBLEYC57
07-04-2008, 08:17 PM
Doc ... is there going to be an
announcement when Pheros will be in stock or do we need to keep an eye in the store?
Thanks!:run:
DrSmellThis
07-05-2008, 06:31 PM
Mobes, I will give you all
advance notice so that, no matter what, forum people will have an advantage over the general public. I really want
anyone who wants the concentrate to be able to order early. Also, I doubt the general public is even interested in
the concentrate, or knows about it.
I need to talk to Bruce about the labels, which is the last snag. I found
some of the old, pretty lids (now out of production, since company went out of business) on which the labels fit
perfectly. But over half the bottles in this shipment will have some generic lids (as with the last shipment, since
I had to go through another company for them), so that those bottles won't have a flat surface that a label would
stick neatly to. The bottles are the same fish bowl design as the last batch.
As soon as I resolve this issue
with the boss, I'll be able to give you the correct time of shipment.
Upon further reflection, I think I might
keep the number of concentrate bottles to 15, like last time. That will leave more of the perfume for everybody.
theknight
07-06-2008, 08:35 AM
Hi,
Given that there
seems to be so much demand for the concentrate, I wonder if us folks might end up getting any at all ;-)
I'd
love to get one (concentrate) as well.
Doc,
Any specific date when this is going to be available on the store.
Me thinks 15 bottles are gonna off the shelf too damn fast :D so need to keep a lookout ;-)
belgareth
07-06-2008, 11:35 AM
Since I managed to get a bottle
of concentrate the last round and also have two bottles, one unopened, of the final mix I will not be competing for
any. Good luck to all of you though. I love the stuff but only wear it on special occasions.
idesign
07-06-2008, 11:35 AM
I'm not Doc, but I've traded
posts with him on this Forum. :)
So far I think the interest count is a bit less than 15 for the concentrate.
Keep your dial tuned to this channel and you'll get plenty of notice from our sponsor.
philalex
07-07-2008, 09:17 AM
Concentrate
or regular. I'll take one either way.
Happy to get some... that's all!
PS: What else does the
doc sell?
belgareth
07-07-2008, 01:31 PM
PS:
What else does the doc sell?
Good advice. He also shrinks heads in his spare time but that's another
story. Welcome to the forum.
idesign
07-07-2008, 03:33 PM
Yes, so make sure you don't
piss him off. Consider how he makes his living:
"Head Shrinking. The skull is removed from the
head; the maker would make an incision on the back of the neck and proceeded to remove all the skin and flesh from
the cranium. Afterwards, they placed red seeds underneath the eyelids and sewed them shut. The mouth was held
together with three palm pins. Fat from the flesh of the head was removed. The flesh was then boiled in water in
which a number of herbs containing tannins were steeped, then dried with hot rocks and sand, while being molded by
the preparer to retain its human feature."
Word on the street says he's pretty good at it too.
:eek:
DrSmellThis
07-07-2008, 05:35 PM
LOL!!!!!
Thanks for that
highly accurate description of my counseling methods!
(Still waiting to reach Bruce at this time)
Just to make sure I'm "counted," as
I still have one unopened regular bottle and at least 2/3rds of another regular bottle I'm going to pass (resist
mightily) buying any more as I suspect I'll still have some left when I enter the next life. Pheros is such a GREAT
product I would certainly like one of the uninitiated to have a shot... (he said while muttering something that
sounds like "my preciousssss....").
DrSmellThis
07-08-2008, 05:12 PM
Such gallantry among my
customers! :)
Thanks for the appreciation, Rbt. It's truly been one of the special things in my life; to make
something people in various places around the world could get an "atypical kind of pleasure" from.
After studying
oils and pheromones on my own for years; and discovering this impressive forum; all I wanted was to see if I could
make a contribution here.
The idea behind Pheros was to share with everyone the other half of pheromone
and scent knowledge that people here weren't aware of, that I had studied. It was great, because at first all I did
was talk about these things (analog pheromones, etc).
And then people wanted to see an example, so I sent out
samples of this thing I'd been working on for a year. It was weird because I kept obsessively making more of it,
not knowing what the heck if anything would come of it.
Next thing I know, Bruce is saying matter of factly,
"Yes, fine, that's great. We'll start with 500 bottles"! He says that within an hour of receiving his sample, and
I'm like, "Oh boy. 500?! This guy ain't playing. This is absolutely great, but oh crap, I have to get my butt in
gear!"
idesign
07-08-2008, 06:52 PM
And what a gear your butt must
have been in Doc. How many bottles do you suppose you've produced? When did you first send Bruce the initial
samples?
DrSmellThis
07-08-2008, 07:48 PM
And what
a gear your butt must have been in Doc. How many bottles do you suppose you've produced? When did you first send
Bruce the initial samples?I'm going to keep the sales totals to myself. But it's been pretty successful by
L-S standards for a specialty product with no real marketing to speak of (nowhere near the pherogiants NPA or PI,
though) other than forum conversation. It has sold pretty steadily over the years, and has been exclusive to L-S,
unlike other products.
I don't remember when it was first offered. Several years ago, anyway. Too lazy to look
it up. Time is basically a black hole to me anyway.
I think I sent samples to a few forum members long before
Bruce got any, to get product development feedback. That was when the fun started, because people had not smelled
anything like it and were definitely surprised, partially because I was just a regular guy who surfed the forum. If
you're a smell aficionado and have never smelled some of the pungent, organic, naughty ingredients, it's quite an
experience. Very different from typical perfumes and scents.
idesign
07-08-2008, 08:24 PM
If
you're a smell aficionado and have never smelled some of the pungent, organic, naughty ingredients, it's quite an
experience. Very different from typical perfumes and scents.
Its unique to be sure. I've tried a
couple dozen natural, non-commercial scents from half that many "perfumers" and really this is one of 2-3 that I
even think of as perfume. And Pheros is the best of the lot by far.
I wonder why? Everyone has access to
ingredients, that only leaves the composer.
Aftel's stuff is very nice, but costs a fortune and only lasts for
about 5 mins on the skin. Tauer has a great accord here or there, but its in-your-face too much of the time.
I
suppose a lot of it amounts to preference, but there is a relatively well developed standard on how you evaluate a
fragrance.
And then there are the "pungent, organic, naughty" things going on in Pheros. Nobody has that. ;)
Hello. I am new to the board and
pheromones, but love good colognes. I would really be interested in getting a bottle of concentrate if available.
Keep up the good work and hopefully your success with this product over the last 4+ years leads to another
ground breaking cologne in the next year or 2.
idesign
07-09-2008, 07:30 AM
Yes, we just have to pressure
Doc into cutting loose again with his "killer instinct and crazed aesthetic". :)
Welcome to the forum jomo.
I'm going
to keep the sales totals to myself. But it's been pretty successful by L-S standards for a specialty product with
no real marketing to speak of (nowhere near the pherogiants NPA or PI, though) other than forum conversation. It has
sold pretty steadily over the years, and has been exclusive to L-S, unlike other products.
I don't remember
when it was first offered. Several years ago, anyway. Too lazy to look it up. Time is basically a black hole to me
anyway.
I think I sent samples to a few forum members long before Bruce got any, to get product development
feedback. That was when the fun started, because people had not smelled anything like it and were definitely
surprised, partially because I was just a regular guy who surfed the forum. If you're a smell aficionado and have
never smelled some of the pungent, organic, naughty ingredients, it's quite an experience. Very different from
typical perfumes and scents.
The first "real" forum posts from you (DST) on Pheros product were
around 3/1/04 and onward.
idesign
07-09-2008, 04:31 PM
Thanks for the research Rbt,
looks like our new member jomo did his research too.
That's quite a good run Doc, and a lot of hard work. We
should probably thank you most for letting your imagination run wild. What ran wild during the testing stages is
purely you're own business. ;)
I feel like we should give you something to mark the end of an era. I don't
see you being much of a gold Rolex kind of guy so maybe something like, hmmm... a swift kick in the butt and a lock
for your lab door, to be installed on the outside of course, with you inside. Seeing the light of day again should
be good incentive to come up with a new scent yes? :)
To be sure, we'll feed you well. Do you prefer Saison
Dupont Belgian Farmhouse Ale or Bud Lite? Just name it, Bel's buying. :cheers:
DrSmellThis
07-09-2008, 08:07 PM
Bud Lite happens to be my
current beer, fortunately. Can't beat it when the weather's hot. Well, OK; Pilsner Urquell is pretty darn good on
a hot day too. And Harp.
Thanks, Belgareth! :drunk:
No fun to drink alone, though. I'll slip a few extra mugs
into the freezer for y'all.
Sodbuster
07-09-2008, 10:05 PM
Cheers :cheers:
belgareth
07-10-2008, 04:13 AM
Gee, thanks guys. Am I invited
since I have been volunteered to buy? Personally, I'd prefer a nice british beer, something with some body to it.
American beers don't really offer much.
Gee,
thanks guys. Am I invited since I have been volunteered to buy? Personally, I'd prefer a nice british beer,
something with some body to it. American beers don't really offer much.
Newcastle it is then.
Mtnjim
07-10-2008, 09:26 AM
Newcastle it is
then.
No Bass?????
MOBLEYC57
07-12-2008, 08:05 AM
BUD LITE! :drunk:
Dearest
Doc,
My credit card is bugging me to death :frustrate wanting to know the updates of the last of Doc's brew
shipment. :blink: :run:
Pendragon
07-12-2008, 10:37 AM
No
Bass?????
No one mentioned Guinness..
Newcastle is good though.
idesign
07-12-2008, 02:44 PM
Since its summer, I'll weigh in
with Doc for some P.Urquell or Harp, but my, what good taste you all have in beer! Bel, your bar tab is adding up
quickly, I'll need a credit card to run it up any more. Hope sales are good buddy. :cheers:
To follow
up on Mobe's credit card, any news on the other brew Doc?
DrSmellThis
07-12-2008, 05:01 PM
My sincere apologies for the
delay and frustration, Mobes. Bruce made a decision about some new packaging and I'm getting that together. Early
next week I'll post another update.
One other comment to make about
fragrances...
While out walking a couple days ago a 30-ish guy crossed my path. Not sure what he was wearing
but it reminded me of insect spray... ewwwwwwww!
Then again maybe it WAS insect spray... With all the rain and
flooding in the area we have a bumper crop of mosquitoes forming vast clouds that darken the skies and turn day into
night...
Well not quite that bad... but they are pretty dense.
Part of me wishes more colognes had the same
rich smell as Pheros... but then again if all the PUA's smell the same as AFC's I *may* have a chance as the gals
can hang around me without gagging... at least on my fragrance...
(PS I'm a wine man myself. No not a
"whiner..." or "wino...". Nothing beats a really good Austrian trokenbeerenauslese... mmmmmmmmm. The "Pheros" of the
wine world IMO.)
DrSmellThis
07-15-2008, 05:04 PM
Folks, the purpose of this
thread was to get advance interest so I could bottle to the proper number of concentrate bottles; not to announce
availability of the product. I apologize if it became that before I was sure about the timeline. Totally my fault
for opening my mouth.
Having said that, I'm still working on making all the new packaging (new packaging was
Bruce and my solution to the lid and bottle problem) by hand -- each label was created on my computer, cut by hand,
and pasted on the leaflets I also just designed, cut and folded by hand, etc. There is nothing about this project
that is not homemade; and I have another business and music gigs to attend to as well.
So I'd like to get it
shipped by the end of the week. Hopefully I will meet my goal, which would make it available next week sometime.
idesign
07-15-2008, 05:07 PM
:rolleyes: Patience! Or your
bottle will be tainted with Cool Blue Chrome Sport Water! j/k jomo
Ooops, Doc you beat me to the punch, and
were much nicer. :)
Sorry Doc didn't mean to
interrupt the hard work. Was just bored. The boards been slow lately. I have actually had a fun time reading many
of your early post and researching the attributes of your product. Take your time and have fun doing it.
:cheers:
Abtohorizon
07-19-2008, 10:43 AM
Im interested in a couple
bottles of this stuff but I dont know if I have to place a pre-order or get onto some kinda list....?
I've made
a few purchases from love-scent in the past and like to check out what the buzz is on the forums before placing an
order. (First Post but veteran browser)
I dont want it to be available for a few days then go out of stock -
Its not like I check the online store every day. Ive been in touch with a Tammy Smith (cust. support rep) who has
been very responsive and helpful but I guess she doest have any more info regarding the ETA than what's being said
in this thread. So, whoever's brewing this stuff up, I'd like to get my hands on a few units
DrSmellThis
07-19-2008, 05:16 PM
Please read the rest of the
thread. Once again, There is no advance sales for the perfume. This thread is about the concentrate only. If you
want the concentrate, it will be good to check in every couple of days or so, at least every few days.
I
recommend the perfume over the concentrate unless you have a specific reason, as we have discussed in this thread. I
am taking extra care with the perfume version in terms of the special water I dilute it with (aging it with some of
the perfume added to help longevity, etc).
I don't think the stuff will sell out right away, unless it happens
differently than in the past. You never know. So people should be able to relax a bit. I think it will be available
for at least a month, even with it being the last of a limited edition batch.
Gmoney
08-22-2008, 12:53 PM
Doc, just curious, why are you
not going to be Making Pheros anymore? I ordered myself a bottle, but it sounds like such a popular product, why
cut it off?
DrSmellThis
08-22-2008, 06:40 PM
Pheros is a limited edition
perfume. I have neither the recipe nor the supplies, many of which are pretty rare substances.
When I first
started making it, I didn't even know it would be sold. It was just a labor of love, so to speak. By the time I
knew, it was too late to save the recipe; even though I continued making more just using my nose. I worked on it
over the course of a year or more, every day, just adding more and more stuff. Eventually I ended up with a honkin'
huge batch, and was sort of shocked after doing the math on it. With subsequent bottlings I made minor changes and
improvements (e.g, adding more musks, or good sandalwood). Most of the latest bottlings included improvements to the
water or perfuming alcohol (both of which are scented and treated to have fixative properties) used to dilute the
ultra concentrate; as well as tweaks to the bottling, mixing, and stage maturation process. Meanwhile, the mother
batch was aging, which turned out to work fine, since the ingredients needed to age more anyway, as the professional
Nose who smelled it told me.
If I could find all the rare ingredients in good quality, for a reasonalble price, I
could make something just as good or better, that would be a similar type of perfume. But it would never be the same
thing.
Robby
08-25-2008, 11:07 AM
I sent an email last week to
Tammy, but I never got a reply. I bought a bottle of Pheros and requested the concentrate version, but I'm not sure
what I got. The bottle is not marked "concentrate," and it's full, but the bottle doesn't look like it could hold
18mL of fluid (it's smaller than a 10mL bottle I also have). Earlier in the thread it is stated that both versions
will use the same bottle.
Can anybody tell me what I have? :box:
Update: Tammy just informed me that I have
the regular version...
idesign
08-25-2008, 12:48 PM
The concentrate version is a
clear amber liquid, and the regular version is "cloudy".
Did you request the concentrate in the "comments"
section at checkout?
Robby
08-25-2008, 01:22 PM
I distinctly remember
typing "I want concentrate" into the Comments, but Tammy showed me what she had on file and there were no comments.
I'm ok with what I got, as I told Tammy, I just wanted to make sure I didn't dilute something that was
already properly diluted.
idesign
08-25-2008, 03:54 PM
Great! The regular version is
better for general wearing anyway, I'm sure you'll like it. If you have any feedback please let us know.
DrSmellThis
08-25-2008, 06:23 PM
I'll see if I can find out
what was up with that.
The concentrates all come with a hand written set of instructions.
I'll see
if I can find out what was up with that.
The concentrates all come with a hand written set of
instructions.
I just got a bottle of concentrate and it did not come with hand-written instructions. I
have both concentrate and regular from previous orders so I know my latest order was properly filled as
concentrate.
DrSmellThis
08-26-2008, 08:22 PM
Didn't you receive a leaflet
along with the bottle?
When I packed them, I wrapped a signed leaflet around every bottle with a rubber band, and
the concentrates has a couple sentences written on them too.
Gmoney
08-27-2008, 02:28 PM
Just got my order of Pheros and
dabbed a little on my wrists, this is some great smelling stuff you've made Dr. I'm looking forward to seeing
what others think:cheers:
BTW, quite a self effect off this stuff!
idesign
08-27-2008, 04:13 PM
[quote=Gmoney;210898
BTW, quite
a self effect off this stuff![/quote]
Absolutely. I put Pheros on and immediately have a nice calm feeling.
As the evening progresses I feel like I'm in a cocoon of sorts, wrapped in a nice blanket of eros. That's one
reason why its so good as both a cover and a standalone.
Didn't
you receive a leaflet along with the bottle?
Nope. .
theknight
08-28-2008, 04:25 AM
Finally received my bottle of
pheros after a long long wait. As expected...Pheros delivers. Found the scent to have a very calming effect :) Kudos
to DrSmellThis. Didn't receive any notes etc with the bottle though.
My biggest gripe is that during shipment
the cap of the bottle was not closed properly so it appears that 2/3rd of pheros leaked out during transit (unless
the concentrate is being shipped with 1/3rd filled up bottle - which I doubt as Dr mentioned the contents to be 18
ml in one of his earlier posts).
Needless to say find myself a little pi**ed. Am hoping Bruce would replace
this.
Gmoney
08-28-2008, 05:42 PM
it didn't leak, that's how the
concentrate is.
theknight
08-28-2008, 06:46 PM
So the concentrate is just
around 5 ml or so...whereas the cologne is around 15 ml.
Any ideas on how to dilute the concentrate. Would
concentrate be too strong if applied directly ?
idesign
08-29-2008, 07:51 PM
Gm is right, the concentrate
bottles contain less volume in the same size bottle, no worries.
I've used the concentrate without diluting it,
but you should apply a little less. It wears well but of course is more costly to wear in concentrated form.
I
think there is an open question about diluting instructions being included with the concentrate. Doc and/or Bruce
will have to weigh in on this question.
DrSmellThis
08-31-2008, 08:39 AM
*
Concentrates are 7ml, while the regular colognes are 18ml, accurate to within a couple drops,
erring on the side of overfill..
As the leaflets say, you just mix in 11ml distilled H2O to make cologne from
concentrate.That step, of course, is entirely optional.
* I'm sorry you didn't get a leaflet. Perhaps
someone should try ordering with "please include leaflet?" in the comment section. Obviously, though, Bruce and
Tammy are free to sell them however they see best to.
* My opinion is that it is highly unlikely that any lid
would be loose when it arrived at your door. That is because I double checked each and every lid for tight fit
before shipping. I tried to tighten them just the right amount, as tight as possible without damaging the threads
inside the lid.
Just throwing that out there, though I think you understand now about the concentrates not being
filled with water like the regular version.
idesign
09-02-2008, 06:55 PM
I got a leaflet with my order.
Check the packaging and make sure it did not come off. Its only held by a rubber band and may have gotten stuck on
the bubble wrap.
Doc, your penmanship is terrible! j/k of course, your sig may make me some serious money some
day... :)
MOBLEYC57
09-03-2008, 04:13 PM
I got a
leaflet with my order. Check the packaging and make sure it did not come off. Its only held by a rubber band and may
have gotten stuck on the bubble wrap.
Doc, your penmanship is terrible! j/k of course,
your sig may make me some serious money some day... :)
My thought exactly! Good thing his mixing is
better than his writing! :box:
Luv'ya Doc! \o/ \o/ \o/
idesign
09-04-2008, 03:04 PM
Poor Doc. He steps to the
podium victorious and his fans complain about a speck of lint on his shirt.
You can ignore the riff-raff Doc...
Robby
09-04-2008, 06:15 PM
Doc, your
penmanship is terrible!
Doctors are supposed to have lousy penmanship, they have to take a class for
that in Med school.
BTW, I really like Pheros, Doc! Great stuff.
idesign
09-04-2008, 06:35 PM
Another well deserved fan Doc!
(who just happens to agree with me and Mobes). :whip:
Make sure and let us know any reports Robby, how are
you using it?
Welcome to the forum!
DrSmellThis
09-08-2008, 10:59 AM
Doctors
are supposed to have lousy penmanship, they have to take a class for that in Med school.
BTW, I really like
Pheros, Doc! Great stuff.Ah, here is the key to it all... They actually told me they must be giving a
doctorate to the right person for that very reason.
I've always stubbornly defended my penmanship as entirely
legible, and thought it looked downright musical in its rhythm. Every other human being in my life has found it to
be bad, like you guys, often using the words "horrible" or "terrible". But you know what?
THE WORLD CAN TAKE A
BOTTLE FULL OF CHILL PILLS! IN FACT, IF I WASN'T SO ARTHRITIC WRITING SCRIPS FOR CHILL PILLS FOR YOU PEOPLE, WE
WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION!
For the record, I got Cs in penmanship. That is average, last I checked.
Bigrahizzle
12-30-2008, 02:24 PM
Guys i just ordered the
Pheros off the website. I wanted to know if the concentrate was still available. I meant if its not then im going to
order 2 more bottles, cuz i know how its like to have a scent that you cherish and only have soo little that it can
only be used on speical occasions.
Gmoney
12-30-2008, 02:44 PM
Guys i
just ordered the Pheros off the website. I wanted to know if the concentrate was still available. I meant if its not
then im going to order 2 more bottles, cuz i know how its like to have a scent that you cherish and only have soo
little that it can only be used on speical occasions.
I believe the concentrate was made to order,
meaning if you didn't order any, there probably wasn't any made to accommodate you. It was also made long enough
ago that any extra is probably already used up. Of course, this is all speculation.
Bigrahizzle
12-30-2008, 02:49 PM
So what is the bottle on
the site. I just ordered it couple of hours ago. Is it the 7ml Concentrate and rest distilled water from Doc.?
Gmoney
12-30-2008, 02:51 PM
So
what is the bottle on the site. I just ordered it couple of hours ago. Is it the 7ml Concentrate and rest distilled
water from Doc.?
Pretty much, although Doc has mentioned that he "prepped" the water with some other
scents, or maybe the same scents, so I'm not entirely sure. Basically it's the same amount of product as the
concentrate filled the rest of the way with water.
Bigrahizzle
12-30-2008, 02:54 PM
Awesome!!!!!! I cant wait
to get it. From reading all the good reviews i think this will be a winner. Like i said if it suits my taste im
going to be ordering more.
Did you order it Gmoney???
Gmoney
12-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Awesome!!!!!! I cant wait to get it. From reading all the good reviews i think this will
be a winner. Like i said if it suits my taste im going to be ordering more.
Did you order it
Gmoney???
I did, I ordered the non concentrate. I LOVE the smell, but because I could only afford one
bottle, I don't use it often. I normally use Armani Code as a cover, and sometimes I'll add a bit of Pheros to
it, it blends quite nicely. If there's still more available when I have more money I'll be placing another
order.
Actually I haven't been on the scene much lately because of money, I'm on a bit of a finance induced
break from women :LOL:. Although my efforts at a break may have been thwarted...
Pendragon
12-30-2008, 04:05 PM
I received a bottle of the
Pheros concentrate almost a month ago. I just specified in the order comments that I wanted the concentrate if it
was still available.
I'm thinking about trying for another bottle or two of it come the next payday. It smells
great and would really suck to run out of it.
I'll have to try it with the Armani Code and see how it smells.
I've just mixed it so far with Old Spice as mentioned by another poster.
idesign
01-01-2009, 07:57 AM
If anyone has a question about
Pheros availability, the best thing to do is call Tammy at the L-S Store. She'll be able to tell you if any
concentrate is still available, or the regular version for that matter.
Bigrahizzle
01-08-2009, 01:32 PM
Guys i got my Pheros
earlier this week. The thing that concerns me is that it doesnt last long. Ill put it around my neck and by 2 hours
or so its gone. I dont know what im doing wrong, i could be putting on too little or something. Just wanted to know
how it goes for you guys
belgareth
01-08-2009, 05:05 PM
I put on about 3 dabs this
morning, on my forearms. You can still smell it but not the same as it smelled this morning. Remember that your nose
is going to get numb to it if you are smelling it all day. Ask somebody else, female preferably, if they can smell
it on your neck.
DrSmellThis
01-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Thanks for the feedback.
And thanks idesign and Bel, for the customer service assistance. I haven't replied because I am travelling, with
limited access to computers, not having entered the age of laptops (not commenting on the kind strippers
provide...).
My personal opinion is that the perfume mellowed with age a tiny bit more than I would have
preferred, in terms of the top end espcially. There is still a fairly strong wood note in the middle. I tried to
correct for that, but with an organic product you are subject to some whims of nature and limitations in the skills
of the perfumer.
However, I find the staying power per se is deceptively long. You sort of think it
isn't lasting but you end up being able to smell it many hours later, and sometimes into the next day. In some
sense, it even can last longer than many other scents, especially natural scents which lack chemical fixatives. Its
staying power is longer than virtually every scent you'll find with authentic essential oil mixes in health stores
or gift boutiques, for example.
More specifically, in my experience there is sort of a floor effect where it
doesn't fade past a certain point, and even gets sort of a "second life" which can suprise you.
Again, this is
just my experience. If I make another product for Love-scent, I will pay even more attention to these issues and try
to improve.
idesign
01-09-2009, 06:31 AM
Bel's right, if you're
applying it to your neck, the scent is drifting up to your nose continually, and you'll not smell it after a while.
I prefer applying it in several places, just like pheromones, as sort of a "full signature", if that makes any
sense.
For me, that strong woody "middle" itself lasts more than 2 hrs, and the far drydown lasts well into the
day or night. Like Doc, I catch whiffs of it the next morning sometimes.
Try applying a little more, and wear it
on your wrists or the top of your hands for an experiment.
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