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Gmoney
05-06-2008, 07:51 PM
Is the DeAngelo
material really all it's cracked up to be? I've read so so so many crappy reviews of his stuff, everything from
"insecure wanna be trying to make a buck off sucker readers" to "shallow asshole who'd never make it past week 2 in
a relationship".
Some reveiws from people that share at least mones with me would be appreciated. What should I
expect to get from it? What should I not expect to get from it? I'm all for self improvement if it's educational
and something I can work into my own personality. I refuse to adopt stupid tricks just to lie my way into getting
laid. Feed back is appreciated.
idesign
05-06-2008, 08:20 PM
Very good question Gmoney, and
I'm sure there are different opinions here. It all depends on your goals: to get laid immediately, or to develop
some kind of meaningful relationship beyond one night.
I just posted something relating to this in another
thread. You're wise to want to remain true to yourself.
You might take the time to read through the current
"Alpha Male" thread in the Open Discussion section. A lot of it is off-topic to your specific question, but it will
give you some insight relating to various qualities a man can develop if he wants to be attractive not only women,
but people in general.
Self improvement is a much longer and more difficult path than developing "game". Of
course the results are richer and much more comprehensive in terms of who you become.
IMHO, it's better to
widen your interests and knowledge. Read a lot and do a lot. And, an inquisitive nature is very attractive.
People like people who are interested in what they're interested in. And the more interesting you are, the more
interest you'll attract.
I don't want to diss anyone's ideas or goals. Its just my view and experience.
Blacky Chan
05-07-2008, 03:06 PM
Some of the material from
the seduction types is dead on and some isnt. One of the things that isn't stressed too often is that you've got
to be true to yourself. You can only act like a club freak, sex god, big shot or whatever for so long before you
natually return to true self.
PS. Most of the PDF's can be found for free:thumbsup:
idesign
05-07-2008, 05:30 PM
That's a good point BC. You
can get some very good pointers from the "game" guys. We make such stupid mistakes sometimes, and good advice is
invaluable.
Gmoney
05-07-2008, 08:34 PM
Taht's really all I'm looking
for. Tips on psychological stuff, basically how not to scare girls off before they get to know me, or how to get
them to the point where they have the chance to get to know me. Pheromones help alot for that, but I'm sure some
of that material will help as well.
Blacky Chan
05-08-2008, 11:14 AM
Taht's really all I'm looking for. Tips on psychological stuff, basically how not to scare
girls off before they get to know me, or how to get them to the point where they have the chance to get to know me.
Pheromones help alot for that, but I'm sure some of that material will help as well.
Currently I'm
listening to an audiobook. After listening to the first chapters i could actually see some mistakes I've made. The
last couple of times I went out with friends I just observed. Between body language , openers and disqualification
it's like looking at a whole different world. I watched a buddy lose a girl that approached him in less than 10
minutes. He couldn't understand what went wrong. A while ago I wouldn't have known why but now its obvious.
From what I've seen DD's stuff is
some of the better material. Which means there is quite a bit IMO that is just awful... At least he stresses more
self-improvement and developement than tricks and techniques. He does need ot appeal to a wide audience so there is
good and bad. Some of his "guest speakers" are not the best role models, some are excellent. Like anything, look it
over, try it out, and pick and choose what feels right for you.
I've found you can buy a lot of his stuff on
eBay (video is better to get than audio if you have a choice), use it, and then resell it and get just about all
your $$$ back.
DD is really more of a marketing guru than enything else. In this case he is telling you how to
market yourself. I understand his final session was actually aimed at business marketing, not "dating" stuff.
And yes, "David DeAngelo" is a "stage name." I won't mention any names but his real initials are EP.
I have
some of his material and overall it's decent.
My opinions
Gmoney
05-08-2008, 09:59 PM
Anything in particular that you
recommend?
theknight
05-09-2008, 05:38 AM
Hi,
I had in the past
used DD's material, and I would definitely swear by it. Unlike most of the other people who would probably talk
about shortcuts, I found that this guy was more in the long term strategy & self improvement. Hence the material is
not just about dating (or getting laid) but can be used in pretty much any scenario having to do with interacting
with people.
I had taken just the audio option. Am pretty happy with it. Not sure if the video has anything
extra to offer.
My 2 cents.
Blacky Chan
05-09-2008, 09:21 AM
I'd also suggest the
"mystery method". Gmoney do you have any file sharing programs?
Gmoney
05-09-2008, 09:38 AM
I have torrent.
Blacky Chan
05-09-2008, 01:34 PM
I have
torrent.
Just type in David D, Mystery or seduction. Most of the pdfs download in a couple minutes.
phero79
05-10-2008, 04:09 PM
I think most of the
"mistakes you make" besides being unpolite are only worth 0.05% in the dating game.
My thinking is that fear of
rejection is driving all the problems. It changes everything for the worse. This does not mean that if you have no
fear of rejection you will get the woman. Your chances are only marginally improved (she perceives you as confident
which is good), but the big advantage is that you can move on to the next woman without wasting time.
Reducing
fear of rejection is near impossible without medication, alcohol or drugs, I think. Unfortunately, I don't use
either one and I have a big problem :)
Let's say you are in a bar and a woman enters, sees a guy as "hot", that
(shy) guy approaches her and makes all the mistakes in the world but tells her that he likes her. And then you came
after reading 100 eBooks, and she does not like you on the first sight. You can say to her whatever you want, you
are wasting your time.
Pendragon
05-10-2008, 04:43 PM
Let's
say you are in a bar and a woman enters, sees a guy as "hot", that (shy) guy approaches her and makes all the
mistakes in the world but tells her that he likes her. And then you came after reading 100 eBooks, and she does not
like you on the first sight. You can say to her whatever you want, you are wasting your time.
Just like
sales and anything else your not going to appeal to everyone. Just as everyone won't appeal to you.
Some
people seem bent on finding a way to get that one person that doesn't want them. A common thread in dating
discussion seem to be along the lines of "I get alot of attention from women, but how can I get this one particular
woman that won't go out with me" :POKE:
:LOL:
phero79
05-10-2008, 04:55 PM
I think that we can get alot of
women which are at the same spot as we are on the attractiveness scale. But we always want the best...
I think
that its possible to get women more attractive than us, but we need time to prove we are "suitable" (if you are rich
and show it it you will save this time).
Those eBooks teach you that you can prove that you are "suitable" for
a more attractive woman just by saying a few words. Actually its possible, if you say those words from a Bentley.
idesign
05-10-2008, 06:27 PM
I mostly agree with you in
general phero79. The "game" game is mostly about increasing odds. Improve the negatives and you have a better
chance.
I don't think you need to rich-handsome-and-famous to land a great woman. If a man is focused
exclusively on looks, its a different matter.
One thing I'd like to mention about DD's advice is about personal
hygiene. I read some material of his which in which he recommends "washing 3 times in the shower" and applying
deodorant. He then recommends a few chemically obtrusive colognes.
This is fine if you want to smell like a gym
teacher who bathes in Lysol. However, it defeats the purpose of using pheromones in the first place.
What we're
trying to do is create a chemical signature which enhances our natural signature. If you scrub yourself to a
squeaky clean chemically induced sterility, you've lost the very base you need to build upon, and your presence
becomes less "real".
I don't know how many times I've read here where a woman wore their man's shirt around
the house, or liked sleeping on his pillow. Your scent is unique, and to wash it away is to lose your signature.
This is not to say that good hygiene in not necessary, of course it is. I use natural soaps that do not kill my
body's natural production of attractants. And I choose scents which heighten and complement both my natural
signature, and the chemical pheromone signature.
It takes some practice, just like developing "game", and is a
worthwhile study.
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