Super Tuesday

[idesign]

looks like Obama and Clinton will be fighting it out till the end which will ultimately

hurt their fundraising efforts for the Presidential election.

I don't think McCain's win will last long,

expect him to be "swiftboated" strongly and deservedly. The Christian Right can't stand him, Rush Limbaugh hates

him, lots of his fellow Republicans are wary of him. Huckabee did surprisingly well, now it remains to see if he can

get some more money. Ron Paul did poorly but will continue on till the money runs out and it may not run out. Mitt

Romney may be able to win. Although I really want Ron Paul, I could, just barely, stomach Obama or

Romney.

Good analysis of the Dem results KK. Its a horse race, and just today Hillary had to loan her

campaign $5M. Obama has raised more than twice what she has. What's interesting now is whether something will

happen to upset the deadlock, or will they go to the convention and put on a show. Anything can happen.

I can

neither agree or disagree on the GOP side. McCain is pretty clean... for a politician, and it would be pretty

ballsy for someone to throw dirt at an ex-POW. Unless it real dirt, and not pretend dirt, which doesn't

matter.

As for talk radio... its interesting that McCain did so well even after a lot of bad press from the

radio folks. Their influence may not be as broad or deep as many thought.

Yes, Huckabee did do surprisingly

well, and Romney must be disappointed. IMHO, Romney should drop out soon, very soon. He is not getting Southern

votes or moderate votes, he can't win.

Ron Paul would be a beneficial addition to the campaign if, and only if,

his voice was heard beyond the internet. His platform should be an important part of the debate, but he can't seem

to get it out past the cult following.

[koolking1]

"Ron Paul would be a

beneficial addition to the campaign if, and only if, his voice was heard beyond the internet. His platform should be

an important part of the debate, but he can't seem to get it out past the cult following."

I couldn't agree

more. Here's why. I campaigned for him here in NH. Concord, the capital, has 3 times the population we have here

in Exeter. RP got 167 votes here in Exeter with just 3 campaign volunteers and he got 601 votes in Concord with

likely 1000 campaign volunteers, most from out of state. So, if 3 volunteers can get 167 votes, multiply that by

3xpopulation = 501 votes. So, with an additional 997 campaign volunteers you get an extra 100 votes. Ron Paul

voters are already committed and you can't change the minds of the other voters, they are too tuned into mainstream

politics. Plus, his organization is lousy, lousy, lousy.

There's a possibility McCain would offer Huckabee

VP to gain the Religious Right which can't get on his own. But, real conservatives can't stand either of them.

Clinton wins.

[idesign]

There's a possibility McCain would offer Huckabee VP to gain the Religious Right which

can't get on his own. But, real conservatives can't stand either of them. Clinton wins.

I agree,

neither of them capture the Republican message, and its not just the far right. There are many issues, as you know,

that conservatives of all stripes look for in a candidate.

McCain is weak in the GOP, but not nationally in a

general election, particularly against Hillary. I would worry about McCain v Obama. As empty as Obama is, he has

the super-model mystique.

Obama is a total freak. He's done nothing... absolutely nothing. Can you say no

resume? And based on style and delivery he's some kind of hero. You can tell that Hillary is frustrated, even

though she's equally non-accomplished.

I disagree with you that Hillary will win against McCain. As big a

milk-toast as McCain is, Hillary will just not be elected.

[tounge]

Huckabee and Romney take votes away

from each other,allowing the chameleon to pull ahead. If Rudi would have stayed in he would syphon off from McCain.



I'm a conspiracy theorist. The table is being set for the Wicked Witch to assume the Presidency and continue

with the destruction of the U.S. from within.:rasp:

[koolking1]

"I'm a conspiracy

theorist. The table is being set for the Wicked Witch to assume the Presidency and continue with the destruction of

the U.S. from within."

I agree on that.

And why on earth would we here in the USA go for a Royal

Family thing?

The Republican Party is fractured into 3 wings now. Bush destroyed it. Ron Paul can bury it

with a 3rd Party candicacy. The Democrats have two wings now, anti-war and mommy-state. So what do we

have:

Traditional Republican (Romney)
Populist Republican (Huckabee)
NeoCon Republican

(McCain)
Anti-War Democrat (Obama)
Mommy-State Democrat (Clinton)

A 3rd Party candidate such as Paul

could win with 2/5 of the above voting for him.

I'm a big fan of Justin Raimondo of Anti-War.Com and get a

lot of my info/ideas from him.

Ron Paul needs to get moving and soon. He needs to let the voters know who

he would have in his Goverment, people like Judge Andrew Napolitano of Fox News fame might be good. He's

charismatic and his ideology is similar to Paul's.

I'll hope for the best but am really thinking like

Tounge that it's all pre-ordained and we have no real say in the matter.

[koolking1]

"I can neither agree

or disagree on the GOP side. McCain is pretty clean... for a politician, and it would be pretty ballsy for someone

to throw dirt at an ex-POW. Unless it real dirt, and not pretend dirt, which doesn't matter."

Under the

strictest reading of the Constitution of the United States, McCain, having been born abroad, isn't even eligible to

be President. I've always chafed at that since two of my own children were born abroad, like McCain, of a US

military parent. But, we little people were always told that, "your kid can't be President under the

law".

McCain, prior to being shot down over North Vietnam, was involved in a major accident aboard a carrier

that resulted in the loss of life of at least one other pilot and the destruction of 5 fighter aircraft. The

accident was a foolish one and need not have happened if proper procedures had been followed (they weren't).

McCain's Admiral father got him out of that jam. If something like that happened to other fighter pilots, they

would have been drummed out.

Just being shot down is looked upon by fellow fighter pilots as a sign of

incompetence, perhaps unfair but true.

As far as I know, McCain, unlike some other very heroic POWs, never

made an escape attempt. One can look at the web site http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

and see that there is some measure of dislike towards him. I won't go into details but most former POWs have some

mental health issues that are certainly not their fault but nonetheless they do exist. Due to his past history

McCain, and I will point out too that George Bush Jr has the same dilemna, would likely not pass the same stringent

standards we expect of an 18 year old GI who simply guards airplanes or storage depots where nukes are in play (drug

or alcohol abuse is enough to suspend your nuclear weapons credentials temporarily but it will be permanent if the

alcohol abuse doesn't get cured (and fast) or if it involved drugs such as LSD, heroin, or cocaine). However, I

would think that McCain would have an easier time than Bush of being certified for nuclear weapons after a

psychiatric evaluation. I couldn't be certified today either as I smoke weed.

POW's weren't exactly

trusted by their service branches (mainly Air Force and Navy) after they got back home. For their sacrifice though,

they were assigned to very plush jobs that were out of the mainstream of combat ops until they were eligible to

retire. Fair, not fair, who knows.

I don't think I'm slinging mud here but just presenting some thoughts

that people thinking of voting for McCain might consider. It's too bad the US government back then didn't

EFFECTIVELY pressure the North Vietnamese to release them within days of capture. I wholeheartedly think John

McCain is a hero. It's not for his POW days that I won't vote for him. It's that he's aligned himself with the

neocons and for other reasons.

[koolking1]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/020708_never_tortured.htm

HRC won't have to

bring it up, others will for her or not I've no idea.

[koolking1]

http://bigheaddc.com/2007/10/31/cindy-mccain-bush-spread-rumors-that-john-fathered-black-child-out-of-wedlock/



This is old news but what I find interesting is that Mrs McCain was addicted to pain killers. What

would you do if you were her husband?

[Mtnjim]

McCain,

prior to being shot down over North Vietnam, was involved in a major accident aboard a carrier that resulted in the

loss of life of at least one other pilot and the destruction of 5 fighter aircraft. The accident was a foolish one

and need not have happened if proper procedures had been followed (they weren't). McCain's Admiral father got him

out of that jam. If something like that happened to other fighter pilots, they would have been drummed

out.

Actually, He was preparing to launch off the Forrestal and another pilot fired a missile into

his plane. He barely got out of his plane. The ship burned for several days. Later he was shot down. In reality,

somebody "up there" doesn't like him, he should be dead.

[Mtnjim]

...IMHO,

Romney should drop out soon...

Looks like you called it. I just heard he has suspended his campaign.

[koolking1]

now it's getting

interesting. Romney apparently can hold onto his delegates as he's suspended and not ended his campaign, wonder

what he wants for his leverage?


So, that leaves McCain, Huckabee, and Paul. Something tells me there

will be no more Republican debates now. McCain would be made to look foolish now that he doesn't have Romney to

quarrel with. He'd have to really debate Paul and Huckabee and I'm sure he'd lose badly. The MSM could say that

there's only one viable candidate so no need for further debates. I hope that's not the case but suspect it is.



Jim, I took a look at the Wikipedia entry for McCain and the USS Forrestal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire

I think there's much more to that than what

Wikipedia is saying. I recall things like McCain and his fellow pilots engaging in some dangerous behavior

(something akin to "popping the clutch") that was considered hot-doggin it and against regulations. And, the 1000

lb bombs were not from the Korean War but from the mid-30s and known to be highly unstable. I'll have to do some

further digging.

[idesign]

Interesting comments

guys...

I see Huckabee as the great unknown at this point. If he drops out there will be a GOP candidate in an

instant. If he hangs on (stupidly) he will make as big a mess as the Dems have going on. He will not gain much, if

any from Romney's departure, and he cannot win. Republicans don't have "super delegates", and I think neither

Romney nor Huckabee have sufficient delegates to broker any deal. That may be Romney's play to force Huckabee out:

"suspend" your candidacy instead of dropping out completely.

We'll see how Huckabee reacts to his almost

certain loss in VA. Its a key state... southern and somewhat conservative, but the No.Va. liberal bent may overcome

for McCain.

At this point I think the fractured GOP needs to cut its losses and get behind the compromise

candidate... McCain. He's a big compromise to be sure, and its truly a shame that some of the other candidates

bungled their campaigns.

Now that ST is over and the Dem candidates are in a horse race, I see a catfight until

some major event kicks one of them to the curb. Barring that, their super delegates will get behind Hillary when

crunch time comes, and will give her the nomination.

The Dem situation is so surreal. Hillary is the

establishment candidate but even her own party knows that she's a socialist bitch tyrant, and I doubt that many

like her, even Bill, as history has proven. :)

Obama is ideologically the same person in black-male clothing.

But his persona is diametrically opposed. He's painting a much prettier picture of social/fiscal rape than

Hillary's technical ugliness.

All rhetoric, no substance, flashy-empty promises which promise nothing but big

programs and big taxes. A melting pocket watch against a stark landscape.

[koolking1]

folks are starting to

question the legality of McCain running for President, he's not eligible to be President due to being born outside

the United States.

Paul says he'll continue to run but has cut top staff and will, for now, campaign

heartily for his Texas Congressional seat and is asking for money for that venture. He has lost some supporters

mainly due to his not taking a stance over a recount of the NH vote. Ron Paul maintained all along that it wasn't

about himself but about Freedom and many of his supporters understood that and took it to heart. Too bad Ron Paul

didn't.

A recent study has shown that the length of time in place coupled with the same faces, the House

and Senate are substantially on par with the old Soviet Politburo.

The folks who have always wanted a real

ruler, a Royal Family, have gotten their wish. All Hail the Queen!!!

[idesign]

This one's for you KK...

:)

New York, NY (AP) Ann Coulter, political commentator and best-selling author, collapsed shortly after

completing a Fox News interview where she vowed to go on a hunger strike until Ron Paul dropped out of the

Republican primary.

A spokesman promised further details as they became available but would only comment, "I

don't think Ann would have wanted us to think that her untimely death was related to Ron Paul's astounding results

in Iowa. She never was much on eating anyway."

A Fox News spokesperson declined to comment on Coulter's

collapse, but did say that their decision to exclude Ron Paul from an upcoming televised forum was final, regardless

of any "allegedly official results" from Iowa.

Reaction to Paul's strong showing in Iowa was significant, but

somewhat less severe among other prominent political pundits:

* Bill O'Reilly's entire Talking Points Memo

consisted of a single graphic of a Zogby Poll taken in June 2007 in the background, while O'Reilly placed fingers

in both ears and repeated, "I can't hear you, I can't hear you" for six minutes.


* The three major

networks canceled all Sunday political programming after several talking heads exploded during live coverage of the

Iowa Caucuses.


* Missing for hours, Sean Hannity was finally found under his desk at FoxNews HQ, curled

into a fetal position and whispering to himself, "He's NOT a Great American, He's NOT a Great American..."




* An inside source at the EIB network who identified himself only as "Snerdly" confirmed that Rush Limbaugh had

finally Googled Ron Paul.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i28448

[koolking1]

So now what do we have?

Obama and McCain are the front-runners. I think the Republicans now realize they've made a big mistake in not

listening to Ron Paul. From some polling data nearly half of the Republican faithful can't stomach McCain and will

either sit out the general election, vote for Huckabee or, God forbid, switch parties and vote for Obama (they would

never vote for HRC though). Some consensus is that the country is going to be so screwed up by October anyway that

the best bet is to hand it over to Obama and pick up the pieces in 2012. But, there's still a long way to go till

the conventions. Paul wants to have a big demonstration in DC in the next 3-4 months, that could help but I doubt

it now (upon initially hearing that idea I thought, might work, with more thought though now I don't think it

will). I'll maintain that McCain can beat neither HRC or Obama.

[idesign]

Yep, I see Obama and McCain,

Huckabee's days are numbered and now its only vanity that keeps him in the race, maybe setting himself up for 2012.

He's becoming an embarrassment.

For the Dems.... I don't discount the Clintons, but, BUT, I think even their

faithful are finally getting a clue on their brand of "leadership". I'm still amazed though that Obama has come

this far. He really and truly is, like tongue said, "an empty suit". He's a super-model on the cover of Time

instead of Sports Illustrated, and similarly qualified. But like you said, there's a long way to go.

I hope

you're right about McCain beating Obama. This guy scares me for one reason: voters are increasingly being

dumbed-down. Between the empty debates and the idiotic media there is no real discussion going on about the issues

and their importance. Obama is running on "change", and it strikes a deep chord in America these days, for good

reason. But the change that Obama has in mind is idiotic and sometimes even dangerous. A population which is

uncritical of the candidates - and their so called ideas - could very well vote for someone like Obama. It would be

like choosing a 1st year Med student to do brain surgery; you end up with a lobotomy.

[koolking1]

you misread me on that

one. McCain cannot win against either Obama or Clinton, bank on that. McCain has only half of his own party behind

him and I doubt they'll rally behind him as the campaign heats up. I think they want the Dems to win rather than

their own guy. And, rumor has it that Ron Paul and Edwards supporters will end up in the Obama camp. Both of those

groups detest HRC.

[idesign]

you

misread me on that one. McCain cannot win against either Obama or Clinton, bank on that. McCain has only half of

his own party behind him and I doubt they'll rally behind him as the campaign heats up. I think they want the Dems

to win rather than their own guy. And, rumor has it that Ron Paul and Edwards supporters will end up in the Obama

camp. Both of those groups detest HRC.

Yes I did misread you, but I hope you're wrong. I don't worry

about Hillary. Once the primaries are over the dynamics will change, and we'll see how McCain v. Obama starts to

play out.

I also hope that Paul learns from his mistakes. We really need an alternative voice. Even if he's

not viable, we need his ideas fully heard in the marketplace.

[belgareth]

Unfortunately, it has

definately become another election where most people are looking at the lesser of evils. Neither major party

candidate is worth voting for, as usual.

[koolking1]

"I also hope that Paul

learns from his mistakes. We really need an alternative voice. Even if he's not viable, we need his ideas fully

heard in the marketplace."

Or, better, if his campaign staff have learned from their mistakes and foolish

spending of all the money that was raised. I'm not counting him out yet, nor Huckabee who's becoming a real thorn

in McCain's side. Anyway, as of today it's down to 5 with Romney conceding to McCain and backing

him.

Obama
Clinton

McCain
Huckabee
Paul

Bush said yesterday that the economy is fine

and good for clear sailing through 2008. Bernanke today says it's not looking good at all, who to believe?



" Doris Lessing, who won the 2007 Nobel Literature Prize, says that Obama will be assasinated if he wins" -

source: Huffington Post

I had some measure of respect for Romney but that's gone as of today. The only way

Ron Paul can still win is if Huckabee stays in the race which will force the news channels to have more debates.

The Republican party has to realize that Paul is the only true Republican running.

[koolking1]

to torture

now, hope this hurts his campaign significantly. Perhaps he's never been tortured himself, has me wondering now.

Lieberman says it's ok too.

[idesign]

That reminds me, I've been

thinking about running mates. Look for a McCain/Lieberman ticket this fall.

[idesign]

McCain is

pretty clean... for a politician, and it would be pretty ballsy for someone to throw dirt at an ex-POW. Unless it

real dirt, and not pretend dirt, which doesn't matter.


And the "pretend dirt" has flown from the NY

Times. Seems McCain is the beneficiary in the empty "lobbyist sex relationship favor scandal'. I love this

stuff.

C'mon... the Times has been digging its own grave for years, this is just another example. What were

they thinking?

Perhaps they were (not) thinking the same way as Dan Rather when he "broke" the Bush Nat'l Guard

"story". The mainstream press still thinks it has the respect of thinking people. How wrong can they be before it

becomes delusional?

Unfortunately you can't fire a newspaper. What a joke they've become.

Methinks I rant

too much, sorry.

[tounge]

That reminds

me, I've been thinking about running mates. Look for a McCain/Lieberman ticket this fall.






Not gonna happen. If it did, he's done.

The old fart has a good chance to win because Obama is going to be

unelectable. I still have a feeling the Wicked Witch may still get the dem nod.

[tounge]

And the

"pretend dirt" has flown from the NY Times. Seems McCain is the beneficiary in the empty "lobbyist sex relationship

favor scandal'. I love this stuff.

C'mon... the Times has been digging its own grave for years, this is just

another example. What were they thinking?

Perhaps they were (not) thinking the same way as Dan Rather when he

"broke" the Bush Nat'l Guard "story". The mainstream press still thinks it has the respect of thinking people. How

wrong can they be before it becomes delusional?

Unfortunately you can't fire a newspaper. What a joke they've

become.

Methinks I rant too much, sorry.




The NYT is as relevant as the National Enquirer.

The whole leftist media which is the main stream media in the US, is constantly showing its stupidity among its

arrogance. Most clear thinking people have ignored the leftist media crap for the last decade.

[tounge]

Hey Oly Sheet, the ID man is a

Moderator!:box: :box: :box:

[idesign]

Hey Oly

Sheet, the ID man is a Moderator!:box: :box: :box:

still a working man Bro, still learning. :cheers:

[Mtnjim]

...The whole

leftist media which is the main stream media in the US, is constantly showing its stupidity among its arrogance.

Most clear thinking people have ignored the leftist media crap for the last decade.

The "leftist liberal

media" thing is, and has been an urban myth. Most of the media is owned by right wing Republicans, I mean, Rupert

Murdoch a liberal? come on!!

[koolking1]

with the Mountain Man.

Actually, I don't think anyone anymore knows what is what regarding the MSM. I notice they don't report on Kosovo

during the evening news and there's a lot happening there. It seems there's more "news" about health issues and

movie stars than anything else. BBC America is pretty good though.

[Mtnjim]

...BBC

America is pretty good though.

Agreed, 7:00 PM every night!

[koolking1]

our time differences, 10PM

here

[tounge]

I notice

they don't report on Kosovo during the evening news and there's a lot happening there.




Of

course not. Wouldn't want to highlight Bill Clinton's unjust little war. And of course the chickens are coming

home to roost in that part of the world. The radicals that are going to run Kosovo are going to be a major problem

in the heart of Europe.

[koolking1]

were just radicals,

they are the criminal class.

[tounge]

The "leftist

liberal media" thing is, and has been an urban myth. Most of the media is owned by right wing Republicans, I mean,

Rupert Murdoch a liberal? come on!!
Ha. LOL I guess I shouldnt believe my lying ears and eyes. It's no

urban myth, and the NYT's latest shenanigans point this out once again.

Ruport Murdoch? Have you checked where

he has donated money to lately?

[idesign]

The

"leftist liberal media" thing is, and has been an urban myth. Most of the media is owned by right wing Republicans,

I mean, Rupert Murdoch a liberal? come on!!

With all due respect Jim, I think that your statement is

wrong. Murdoch is indeed the owner of the parent company of Fox Broadcasting, which some accuse of being "Right

leaning", but have a look at who owns and/or has editorial control over other media outlets, both TV and print, and

I think you'll see a different story.

[idesign]

Ruport

Murdoch? Have you checked where he has donated money to lately?

Its very common for any influential

organization or wealthy person to donate money to both sides of any political contest. You know this

tongue...

Unless you're G.Soros. :)