Chikara unscented ----I think it's boosting my regular mix's effects

[lifetransform]

I got the scented Chikara way back when it was first introduced and didn't

care for the scent so I kinda gave up on it. then recently I wanted to test it again after reading that quite a few

users are noting it's effectiveness.

so far I've been using it for 2 days, adding it to my regular mix of

Edge, NPA, A314, Instant shine and Instant honesty and I am noticing more eye contacts and attention and women seem

to open up / warm up to me more in conversations.

will keep testing it to make sure it really does enhance my

mix.

[DrSmellThis]

This is how I got the best

results from it -- in small quantities in a mix. Definitely enhanced things for me that way.

[lifetransform]

what happens if you using

higher dosage? it ODs easily?

currently I'm using about 2-3 sprays on chest.

[DrSmellThis]

For me, it just loses

effectiveness, and then evolves into an OD if you try to push it. I use 1 spray, a light spray, with a well-rounded,

judicious mix. Your mileage may vary.

[CptKipling]

My usual dosage for the

original bottle which gave tiny sprays was just 1 spray. I would usually wear other things with it

as well (TE, AE etc.)

[lifetransform]

hmmm so only limited to 1

spray?

I just tried 4 sprays today with my usual mix and received even more attention and eye contact than 2

sprays. no sign of OD yet, I think I'll keep experimenting with upping the dosage. it looks like the unscented

chikara might be just the extra oomph I was looking for.

[CptKipling]

Not saying you shouldn't wear

more, it's just that above two sprays from the old bottle gave me diminishing returns.

EDIT: You will probably

find that Chikara is hard to OD on because it seems to be pretty balanced, so there might be some merit in applying

a lot if you can stand the cost.

[lifetransform]

ok, I'm officially IN

LOVE with chikara now. I'm ranking it right up there next to Edge/NPA as my all time favorite mones.

I got so

many positive results today it's blowing my mind. I upped the dosage to 5 sprays today for experiment. went to

class, nothing special happened at first, then we broke into groups for discussion and boom all the IOIs started to

pop up all over the place. first, I was the only male in my group so that gave my mones plenty of room to work its

magic. (it's interesting to note that all of the other groups were either all male or all female, I was included

in an all male group the last time we broke into groups, b4 I started adding chikara in my mix)

the girls in my

group ranged from 18-35+ and all were behaving very friendly towards me, laughing at every little joke I made,

giving me their full attention when I talked and welcomed my input, constant eye contact, looking down and away,

etc. these were the same girls that sat with me for the last 2 classes and never paid any attention to me. I try

some kino on all the girls and none of them seemed to mind, taking their hand and touching their shoulders etc. at

the of the class, one girl in particular stayed behind to chat with me and walked me to my car(even tho she parked

all the way on the other side of campus), then I drove her to her car and we sat in the car and talked for about 4

hours till all the windows fogged up and she said 'oh it's totally titanic' lol

suffice it to say, chikara

obviously works better the more I apply. I will keep upping the dosage till I start seeing OD reactions. 6-7 sprays

for tomorrow! :wave:

[terry0400-40]

ok, I'm officially IN LOVE with chikara now. I'm ranking it right up there next to

Edge/NPA as my all time favorite mones.

I got so many positive results today it's blowing my mind. I upped the

dosage to 5 sprays today for experiment. went to class, nothing special happened at first, then we broke into groups

for discussion and boom all the IOIs started to pop up all over the place. first, I was the only male in my group so

that gave my mones plenty of room to work its magic. (it's interesting to note that all of the other groups were

either all male or all female, I was included in an all male group the last time we broke into groups, b4 I started

adding chikara in my mix)

the girls in my group ranged from 18-35+ and all were behaving very friendly towards

me, laughing at every little joke I made, giving me their full attention when I talked and welcomed my input,

constant eye contact, looking down and away, etc. these were the same girls that sat with me for the last 2 classes

and never paid any attention to me. I try some kino on all the girls and none of them seemed to mind, taking their

hand and touching their shoulders etc. at the of the class, one girl in particular stayed behind to chat with me and

walked me to my car(even tho she parked all the way on the other side of campus), then I drove her to her car and we

sat in the car and talked for about 4 hours till all the windows fogged up and she said 'oh it's totally titanic'

lol

suffice it to say, chikara obviously works better the more I apply. I will keep upping the dosage till I

start seeing OD reactions. 6-7 sprays for tomorrow! :wave:c:goodpost: The

most of the unscented Chikara i have used is 2 sprays, I recon after reading this reoprt that i will up the sprays

and see where it takes me.

[lifetransform]

tried 6-7 sprays today and

I think I've sort of reached an OD limit. there were still good eye contacts and extra attention but about 10

minutes after application I felt this irrational frustration and anger. I felt a definite alpha male vibe going

through me but at the same time too unstable to control my emotions.


I think the optimal dosage for me is 3-5

sprays. anything higher and I risk pissing myself or others off for no reason.

[kevio]

:goodpost:
That's some

information you have.
Can I ask about your usual application point?

[lifetransform]

neck and chest. chest is

over clothing.

[kevio]

Thank you. Hope for your even

better results.

[BGuy20]

tried

6-7 sprays today and I think I've sort of reached an OD limit. there were still good eye contacts and extra

attention but about 10 minutes after application I felt this irrational frustration and anger. I felt a definite

alpha male vibe going through me but at the same time too unstable to control my emotions.


I think the

optimal dosage for me is 3-5 sprays. anything higher and I risk pissing myself or others off for no

reason.

I got the aggression when I started out using mones, I don't think it's as bad now. You

might actually find it an advantage, since I think women are more attracted to aggressive alpha males.

[lifetransform]

good point. women are

indeed more attracted to aggressive alphas.

I'm a bit confused tho, I can drown myself in Edge NPA as much as

10+ sprays or dabs and never feel the -none OD anger on myself or others. but chikara at 6+ sprays made me really

irritable and impatient - the ugly side of alpha aggressiveness.

[Pendragon]

Yes. Although watch the line

between aggressive and abusive. Some like the abuse though. Run from those. :whip: LOL :run:

[jdp710]

At first I didn't notice any

results with unscented Chikara with a couple sprays but I found out after about 4+ sprays girls will definetely

notice you more and become more talkative. I think their overall impression is hey, he's cute. It even works on

the older women too.

I even tried OD'ing on it once with about 20 sprays and I coudn't. I smelt horrible and

I felt like my pulse was racing the whole time. I felt like the biggest smart ass but no anger. Others also had

the same affect around me.

[lifetransform]

omfg. 20 sprays? you

have won the OD contest hands down lol!

so you normally wear about 4+ sprays?

yes, you are right on the money

about the 'hey he's cute' effect. the girl that talked with me for 4 hours mentioned within the first 5 minutes

that I remind her of an actor. (good looking one I hope! lol)

[jdp710]

Yeah, it was about 20 sprays lol.

My heart felt like it was racing a mile a minute and I had to take a shower about 4-5 hours later.

My magic

number is about 4-5 with 6 being better but I start getting affected too much by it. I also put it on my neck and

hair as that seems to get the best results.

I think all the people that say they haven't noticed anything with

Chikara didn't spray enough on :D .

If it helps, I'm 28 years old, laid back kind of person so I think

I'm pretty low on -none.

[lifetransform]

yes, thank you. this info

is helpful and matches my own findings.


I'm surprised you didn't collapse from the 20 sprays lol. your

nervous system must've went into turbo mode to cope with so much artificial neurotransmitters.
did you feel

dehydrated the whole time your heart was pounding?

most people don't want to OD so they usually use 2-3 sprays,

which is the correct dosage for most products, LS or the other place. except that I'm also low on the natural

-none level so I tend to get better results the more I apply.

have you tried the A7 or the enhanced Liquid

trust? I think liquid trust is another product that needs massive dosage to see any visible results.

[kevio]

A little off the topic. But what

type of pheros you usually prioritize? Thanks

[lifetransform]

could you elaborate what

you mean by prioritize? is it product ranking or the type of mones? (-none, -nol, -rone..etc)

[lifetransform]

btw, jdp710, do you apply

chikara on the skin or clothes? or half half?

I recently started to realize that 1 spray on the clothes does not

= 1 spray on the skin. since the diffusion rate is so much slower on the clothes, it's more like 0.5 or 0.3 sprays

compared to 1 spray on skin.

[kevio]

Sorry. I meant type of mones.

I

don't know much about the products but I welcome any suggestion.

[lifetransform]

gotcha.

I think all 3

types are equally important in a mix. but since I produce low -none levels I tend to use a lot of -none heavy

products like Edge, NPA to create high sexual tension.
I also use massive -nol products to encourage chattiness and

friendliness.

my fav product ranking after 7+ years of usage:

Edge / NPA - undisputed king of sexual hits

hands down, blows Ammo or turn up the heat outta the water.

Chikara - my new all time fav, it boosts and enhance

all aspects of a mix, making the results much much more visible.

instant honesty - excellent for building

comfort and connection and encourage communication.

instant shine - good mood elevator and energizer.

A314 -

the most effective product for respect and admiration, period.

[kevio]

Have you ever tried Pheros? I need

some comments on it.

And yeah, Chikara is placed in my list of next order now - does it work well with our Asian

siblings?

[lifetransform]

yes I also got Pheros when

it first came out. sadly no visible results. I think Phero's formula has evolved, maybe I should give it a try

again. might be pleasantly surprised like Chikara. :-)

hmm, Chikara on our Asian sisters...I can't really say

because I already get attention from Japanese and Korean girls (sometimes Chinese but never Taiwanese...cry)
but

what jdp710 said about the 'hey he's cute' effect is very accurate and the 'cute' effect should be universal

regardless of race.

I think you can expect good results from it. remember to experiment with the dosage to find

your own sweet spot. mine is 4-6 sprays and I think you might need less because you probably produce more natural

-none than me.

[kevio]

Many thanks, brother.

[lifetransform]

no prob buddy.

[belgareth]

yes

I also got Pheros when it first came out. sadly no visible results. I think Phero's formula has evolved, maybe I

should give it a try again. might be pleasantly surprised like Chikara. :-)

The only real change in

Pheros since it came out is some aging of the ingredients. Pheros is not a pheromone product, having only trace

amounts of some pheromones in it. Instead, it has anolog pheromone products (You'll have to ask DST for details)

and natural scents. It gets attention but not on the same level as a pheromone. It is a superb cover scent though.

When I wear it I get compliments which means they are getting a good wiff of the pheromones it is covering too.

[lifetransform]

has any Asian users

reported positive results from Pheros? I don't want to offend DST but Phero's scent didn't do it for me. my gf

commented that it smelled very exotic and rich and reminds her of Egyptian spice, probably due to the packaging

design. I think Pheros is the type of scent that is compatible with -none heavy races, so basically everybody on

earth except Asians.

my gf and I prefer scents like coolwater, jean paul's unforgivable, aqua de gio..etc.

[belgareth]

Not that I know of but that

doesn't prove anything. DST isn't likely to be offended, he knows as well as anybody that no scent works for us

all. Pheros is something I wear as a change myself, no as an everyday scent. Most the time I wear musk and/or Oud.

[jdp710]

hey lifetransform, I never use

-mones/chikara on my clothes because like you said it doesn't seem to work as well and I don't want any kind of

build up on my clothes. One thing about Chikara that I noticed as well is that people tend to think you're younger

than you really are. Not sure why though.

I also like to try and OD on every -mone to see how I react

and see the dosage before I OD. I once OD'd on NPA with 8 "drops" on my neck and let me to you that was not a

pleasant experience. I felt like I wanted to start with a fight with anyone and everyone. I even had one of my

family members yelling and screaming at me for no reason at all. My dosage for NPA is 1 drop but if I put something

like WAGG or SOE then I can put on 2 or maybe 3 drops.

The -mones that I've tried is

AE - gives me a bad

headache but that could be because the smell was too strong but it does seem to work just not as well as other

-mones.

chikara gel packs scented. I do like the scent but it can get tiring after awhile. Works the same as

chikara unscented spray. People also want to talk with me when I'm using it.

SOE - My productivity goes up

and if I start getting tired I'll use it as a wake me up. People are a little more friendly and talkative towards

you but I don't use it by itself.

WAGG - People are more friendly towards you and you'll look less hostile.



A314 - You'll feel and look "a lot" more laid back and a little more sexier. This is the one I use at work

because you're able to think clearer. If guys have a hard time talking to girls this is the one I'd recommend.



NPA - Is my all time favorite. You'll look and feel a lot sexier but if you use too much you can be

intimidating. That's where WAGG or SOE comes in. You can use larger doses of NPA with less chance of OD which

means you'll look and feel even sexier. I prefer to mix it with WAGG but SOE also works. I wear NPA/WAGG 90% of

the time when I'm not at work.

As for "A7 or the enhanced Liquid trust," I haven't tried those yet but A7

is on my list to get next time.


Hope this helps

[lifetransform]

I see. I should switch to

all skin applications and see if the hits increase in frequency or intensity.

lol 8 drops NPA, yup that'll do

the trick off pissing off the world.

I never noticed much results from WAGG. do you notice that if you don't

use it people tend to be reluctant to talk to you? how much do yo apply?


soe as a pick me up? interesting. I

have noticed increased chattiness with soe but I try to stay away from oil applications. get itchy sometimes on the

neck. where do you apply it if you have to wear lots of clothes?

yes, NPA / Edge and A314 are the king. they

are my all time fav too. =)

have you tried the instant honesty/openness line from 'the other place'? I think

they work really well as social mones, really gets people to open up and talk. and they are sprays so you can wear

them in the hair and the diffusion is excellent.

[Rbt]

I've always considered and used DST

Pheros as a cologne/cover scent, not as a pheromone product. I save it for special occasions. It's not an everyday

item. I find I like it, a lot. I also find I don't like the "Cool Water" type scents much at all. Use waht is best

for you, or what tickles your preferred target's fancy. Everybody is different. Thankfully.

[DrSmellThis]

has any Asian users reported positive results from Pheros? I don't want to offend DST

but Phero's scent didn't do it for me. my gf commented that it smelled very exotic and rich and reminds her of

Egyptian spice, probably due to the packaging design. I think Pheros is the type of scent that is compatible with

-none heavy races, so basically everybody on earth except Asians.

my gf and I prefer scents like coolwater,

jean paul's unforgivable, aqua de gio..etc.
If I'd known you liked Aqua and other citrusy scents,

primarily, I could have predicted Pheros wouldn't be your type of scent, since it is more rich and musky,

with more blatant romantic intentions. A number of times I have "warned" about this on the forum, to help people

decide a bit before ordering it.

I have heard from people in more than one Asian country that liked it, but I

don't know or remember what their nationalities were.

I think it's more about your taste in scents. It's

really the opposite of something like Coolwater.

Thanks for giving it a try. I'm sorry it wasn't for you.



I do know that Bruce has always been great about accepting returns of Pheros, as with other products.

[lifetransform]

ah, opposite of coolwater.

no wonder.

I got the Pheros when it first came out ages ago. ya think Bruce will accept that for return lol?

[idesign]

I got the Pheros when it first came out ages ago. ya think Bruce will accept that

for return lol?

lifetransform, I'll be happy to take your old Pheros off your hands, how much is left in

the bottle? Contact me through Yahoo.

It'd be cool to compare the new with the aged product.

[lifetransform]

hiya idesign, sure that

sounds good to me.

my Pheros is completely untouched. all I did so many years ago was to open the seal and smell

it and let me gf smell it. then the lid goes back on and never thought about it again.

I don't have yahoo

messenger on my computer. can we send PMs on this forum?

[kevio]

Hey, LifeT, I like acqua di gio as

well. And is that coolwater the davidoff one? If yes, I have one too!

I think I will have chikara unscented, a314

and Liquid trust for my next order. What do you think?

[lifetransform]

yup, the daviddoff one.

my gf loves that smell, says it was what I was wearing when we first met so she 4ever associates that feeling with

the scent.

she recommended another cologne to me recently called:

unforgivable - by jean paul.

it smells

very unique and nice. if you like aqua di gio and coolwater you'll definitely like unforgivable.

yes,

unscented chikara is a must have.
liquid trust....I didn't see any results from it, the general opinion is that

you have to spray like half of the bottle to see some effects, if any. and, it seems to make both the wearer and

the target stupid in large quantities. (maybe that's why it's 'trust' cuz it temporarily makes the brain go

dumb?)

A314 is also a must have.

remember to get unscented soe too! =)

[kevio]

Understood.

Now, I tried

smelling myself again after a hot shower (no soap). SoE smells just nice. It was good when the fragrance worn off

but this is even better.

I think I saw unforgivable before. I'll check that out. However, sometime I prefer a

deep woody smell of sandalwood as well, not cedar, it's too spicy. I use it when I do something formal and/or meet

someone important. (I bought it from Body Shop) Although I like perfume and such, my sense of smell is not that

great.

[lifetransform]

my sense of smell is worse

than you lol.

I don't understand all those perfume lingo, citrus, woodsy, musk...etc cuz I can't realy tell the

difference.

my gf emphasized that unforgivable has a distinct woody undertone that's very manly and mature....I

have no idea what she means, but hey as long as they like it. :cheers:

[idesign]

hiya

idesign, sure that sounds good to me.

my Pheros is completely untouched. all I did so many years ago was to

open the seal and smell it and let me gf smell it. then the lid goes back on and never thought about it again.

I

don't have yahoo messenger on my computer. can we send PMs on this forum?

just send a message to

[lifetransform]

email sent.

[idesign]

just send

a message to

Thanks, reply coming

[lifetransform]

ok, the chikara testing

continues...

another really successful day overall.

this time, I upped the chikara dosage back up to 7 sprays

but I made sure to also apply a shitload of -nols to buffer the possible aggression. (also had a bunch of Edge/NPA

on as always)
I think I had on like 6-7 sprays of instant openess, 5 sprays of instant honesty, and 4 sprays of

come talk to me2, most of them applied in hair and chest for best diffusion.


went to class, female classmates

would initiate convo on their own, linger around my space, guys wouldn't look at me. (too much -none I think) the

girl sitting on my right would get a little catty with the girl on my left when we were all chatting. I don't

wanna go so far to say that they were 'fighting' for my attention, but they were definitely competing for some

sort of dominance.
I tried to diffuse the situation by paying them equal amounts of attention, lots of kind hearted

humor and kino and they seemed to simmer down after a while.

later, another female classmate walked by and asked

me where I got my jeans. I told her it's the levi's 527 low boot cut and she said it looks really nice on me. (I

should've came back with 'well that's cuz I have a nice ass and long legs' lol) but instead I replied, 'yeah,

and check out these stone washed patterns on the back of the knee, see?'


the girl sitting on my right was the

same one that I chatted with for 4 hours in the car after the last class, we've gotten closer and she lets me hold

her hand and put my arms around her when we are walking. (sharing an umbrella in the pouring rain helped lol) we

went out for some food after class and talked for a while, then I took her back to her car. usually we hug goodbye

in the friendly-upper-body-arching-hips-not-touching way, but this time she just stood there with her hands curled

up in front of her chest and looking down to the right at the ground, waiting for me to hold her.
so I did and

she buried her face in my chest and took a big whiff and said my jacket smelled really good. (the bulk of the mones

is on my shirt tho)

I suddenly got the urge to kiss her, so I tried to lift her chin up and as I went in she

ducked back into my chest. I asked 'is it too fast?' and she just made some noises. we kept hugging for a while

then we left.

I felt 'a bit' guilty for almost kissing my classmate so I went to the coffee shop my gf was

working at to surprise her. this was about 4 hours after the initial application, I refreshed with 1 dab of NPA and

3 sprays of instant openess togo. I went in the store and found my gf, she was pleasantly surprised that I showed

up, I've never been there b4. as we were talking, 2 of her coworker baristas gathered around us and was checking

me out and asking if I was the bf. later, my gf told me that they asked about me after I left the store and thought

that I was cute. (chikara power!) :hammer:

I did not feel any aggression or impatience this time with 7 sprays

of chikara, maybe my body has adjusted to the dosage or all those -nols I piled on was doing their job. either way,

it's working nicely, no sign of OD at all.

[Pendragon]

It's stories like that which

make me think I'm not wearing enough. I usually just have 1-2 dabs npa and some SOE down my neck.

:cheers:

[idesign]

this time, I upped the chikara dosage back up to 7 sprays but I made sure to also

apply a shitload of -nols to buffer the possible aggression. (also had a bunch of Edge/NPA on as always)
I think

I had on like 6-7 sprays of instant openess, 5 sprays of instant honesty, and 4 sprays of come talk to me2, most of

them applied in hair and chest for best diffusion.


I'm not familiar with some of what you were

wearing, but that's a big pile 'o mones, 6 by my count, and 12 sprays on top of the "bunch of Edge/NPA".

Wow,

that's enough to cause power failure in a medium sized city.

Chikara is not known to produce OD reactions, but

if so, why would you wear 7 sprays when a typical dose would be 1-3? Just wondering...

[Tester123]

I'm not

familiar with some of what you were wearing, but that's a big pile 'o mones, 6 by my count, and 12 sprays on top

of the "bunch of Edge/NPA".

Wow, that's enough to cause power failure in a medium sized city.

Chikara is not

known to produce OD reactions, but if so, why would you wear 7 sprays when a typical dose would be 1-3? Just

wondering...

Yeah, I think it's overkill. I started using mones last summer, and I had also was prone

to trying a gazillion different things at the same time in large quantities while looking for the perfect

combination (the one no one else has found). I realized after a while that if I wasn't producing ODs and still

getting good results it was probably just a few of the products working their magic. I'm back to simple

experimentation with one or two mones or maybe three. This allows me to see what is doing what. Combinations are

fun but it's probably best to start with simple ones in small quantities. After all, some girls may respond

positively to one and negatively to another. Combined they might go either way or be totally neutral. Imagine how

many factors are at play with everything you've got on. And, it may be that one product in a small quantity might

have worked better. I'd think that you could save money and have a better grasp of what's going on with less on.

Less is more.

Just my thoughts.... :)

[lifetransform]

I'm

not familiar with some of what you were wearing, but that's a big pile 'o mones, 6 by my count, and 12 sprays on

top of the "bunch of Edge/NPA".

Wow, that's enough to cause power failure in a medium sized city.

Chikara is

not known to produce OD reactions, but if so, why would you wear 7 sprays when a typical dose would be 1-3? Just

wondering...

yeah lol, power failure indeedy.

mones dosage is different for everybody, I naturally

produce pretty low levels of -none so I discovered long ago that I tend to get more obvious and pronounced results

the more I apply.

the typical 2-3 sprays for most products doesn't work for me, I do notice some sporadic minor

hits here and there but I get consistent fantastic reactions when I go up to what is considered OD levels for

'regular' users.
besides, I'm an attention whore. :wub:

if you wanna know, the actual # of products I had

was:

new version A314 - 3 drops, neck and wrist
Edge - 6 sprays, neck and chest
NPA- 2 dabs, wrist
instant

honesty - 5 sprays, wrist and hair
instant openess - 7 sprays, chest and hair
come talk to me2 - 4 sprays, neck

and hair
instant shine 2x - 3 sprays, neck chest
chikara - 7 sprays, neck and chest

:smite: hehehe

[lifetransform]

Yeah, I think it's overkill. I started using mones last summer, and I had also was prone

to trying a gazillion different things at the same time in large quantities while looking for the perfect

combination (the one no one else has found). I realized after a while that if I wasn't producing ODs and still

getting good results it was probably just a few of the products working their magic. I'm back to simple

experimentation with one or two mones or maybe three. This allows me to see what is doing what. Combinations are

fun but it's probably best to start with simple ones in small quantities. After all, some girls may respond

positively to one and negatively to another. Combined they might go either way or be totally neutral. Imagine how

many factors are at play with everything you've got on. And, it may be that one product in a small quantity might

have worked better. I'd think that you could save money and have a better grasp of what's going on with less on.

Less is more.

Just my thoughts.... :)

yup, I agree with experimenting with single products at a time

to gauge the effectiveness, it's the only way to become familiar with reactions to see if the product is working

for you.

but like I said, mones dosage is different for everyone, what works for me may or may not work for

another user. we all have to go through the trial and error to figure out the OD limit, there's no

shortcut.

that being said, I've been using mones for going on 8 years now, mostly products from LS and recent

couple of years products from 'the other place'. I've had enough time with each product as they were released

one by one to test whether they work on me.
(I'm especially familiar with Edge/NPA's usage, no surprise there

hehe)

as far as the 'perfect combo nobody else has found' goes, it's the same concept with dosage, the perfect

mix for me is most likely not the perfect mix for somebody else. you can't 'discover' the perfect combo for

others, you can only discover your own.

an example of this is one of the experimental test mix from 'the other

place' called mx203 - aka instant Caucasian magic, that seems to work really well on white girls but tends to repel

every other race- Asian, Hispanic, Black...etc I tested this in one of my classes and man, all I can say is I'm

never touching mx203 again. I wont' go into the story much here but basically it made me invisible to the girls in

my class, to the point that when I switched back to my bread and butter mix(with lots of Edge), a tall slim sexy

Persian classmate approached me and asked why she hadn't seen me in the class before, then proceeded to sit beside

me for the rest of the quarter. (she ended up asking me out on her own, I screwed it up tho lol)

but there are

other users who have received great hits from mx203 in their mix. (maybe they are in a predominantly Caucasian

environment?)
in this case, their perfect mix doesn't work on me, especially in California where the racial

profile is so diverse.

I do have to admit that I like to test products by going overboard and then scaling it

back as opposed to starting small and stepping it up. I prefer to see some kind of reaction, even OD than to see

nothing if the dosage is too low. but that's just my personal preference.

I gotta say tho, I think I have

already found my 'perfect mix' when I discovered what chikara can do for me. I was already getting pretty good

results with my regular mix but chikara's 'hey he's cute' effect is like pouring gasoline on fire. I can't

live without chikara in my mix now, like I can't live without Edge/NPA. :smite:

lots of words I know lol, there

has been many discussions on the topic of OD so I have quite a bit of thoughts on the subject. :hammer:

[Pendragon]

besides, I'm an attention whore. :wub:

As long as your honest with

yourself, then it's all good! :LOL:




if you wanna know, the actual # of

products I had was:

new version A314 - 3 drops, neck and wrist
Edge - 6 sprays, neck and chest
NPA- 2 dabs,

wrist
instant honesty - 5 sprays, wrist and hair
instant openess - 7 sprays, chest and hair
come talk to me2 - 4

sprays, neck and hair
instant shine 2x - 3 sprays, neck chest
chikara - 7 sprays, neck and chest




With that much on, why not just take the whole bottle with you and ask her smell and give her opinion of

it? The whole bottle would definately be OD. LOL

[lifetransform]

As

long as your honest with yourself, then it's all good! :LOL:



With that much on, why not just take the

whole bottle with you and ask her smell and give her opinion of it? The whole bottle would definately be OD.

LOL

oh yeah, I know I'm definitely an attention whore. I feed off and get off on it, daily. what man

WOULDN'T want the girls to check him out? eye contact and extra attention are the frontlines of IOIs. and since

girls are genetically designed to be attracted to high status males with lots of social proof, extra attention from

people (women or men) sure don't hurt.

a girl seeing another girl checking you out will become more curious

about you and checks you out some more. (they sense you have been preselected by other females)

"love me, hate

me, just don't ignore me." =)

if the girl doesn't even notice you, you already lost half of the battle is what

I always say.



and asking a girl to sniff the bottle doesn't work, OD levels or not, it has to be applied on

a human for the context to be congruent. I tried lacing my apartment with PI for experiment b4 - 2 bottles.

nothing happened, not even a hint of extra aggression or anything else, forget arousal.

[Tester123]

Ah, I didn't realize that

you'd been using mones for so long! I should have looked at your registration date to see that you've been on the

board for a while. Regardless, I totally agree that this is all very individualistic though I do think there are

some general things that work for most people of the same sex/race.

That mix for attracting white girls sounds

interesting to me. I wonder what's in it that would attract Caucasians and repel others. Are Nordic types more

attracted by it than other "whites?" Also wonder if the wearer should also be Caucasian. Anyway, I've never

ordered from the other place. I have nothing against them. I just have my hands full already and really like Love

Scent. I'm not averse to trying the OP, but I will always consider this my primary. LS was my introduction to

mones after hearing about them for years and years. If it hadn't been for LS and this board, I probably wouldn't

have known what to look for and may have concluded that mones didn't

work.

[kevio]

LT. What mones (products) do you

use when you go to a pub or bar? (quite crowded)

[lifetransform]

LT.

What mones (products) do you use when you go to a pub or bar? (quite crowded)

tbh, I don't go to pubs or

clubs much lol. I find that my personality doesn't work in such environments.

but when I do go, I just used

the same mix I usually wear, but with even more sprays! not really a surprise there eh? lol

lots and lots and

lots Edge/NPA, and even more instant openess/come talk to me2. a good idea to cover your entire upper, hell, lower

body too in unscented soe.

I haven't tested chikara in a crowded club setting, but I think if it works in daily

situations it'll work anywhere.:cheers:

[kevio]

I'm getting over my idiocy and

need some refreshing atmosphere. I don't go to such places often too. Just for a change.

Thanks bro

[lifetransform]

Ah, I didn't realize that you'd been using mones for so long! I should have looked at

your registration date to see that you've been on the board for a while. Regardless, I totally agree that this is

all very individualistic though I do think there are some general things that work for most people of the same

sex/race.

That mix for attracting white girls sounds interesting to me. I wonder what's in it that would

attract Caucasians and repel others. Are Nordic types more attracted by it than other "whites?" Also wonder if the

wearer should also be Caucasian. Anyway, I've never ordered from the other place. I have nothing against them. I

just have my hands full already and really like Love Scent. I'm not averse to trying the OP, but I will always

consider this my primary. LS was my introduction to mones after hearing about them for years and years. If it

hadn't been for LS and this board, I probably wouldn't have known what to look for and may have concluded that

mones didn't work.

yes, I consider LS my home too and been dropping mucho dinero on them for years. I

even went to a vegas pheromone convention held by Bruce back in the day, got to meet Bruce and JVK and stonelab's

Phil in person, such friendly people. =) JVK did a advanced speech about his book scent of eros (soe) but I did

not understand a lick of what he said with my puny brain. lol

the mx203 non-Caucasian repelling effect has been a

popular topic of discussion at 'the other place'. some swears by it and others claim that they can get still

Asian girls with it.


I can sell you mine if you wanna give it a try, I know I'm never touching it anyways.

it's an experimental mix so it's not in stock at the moment at 'the other place'

[idesign]

Yeah, I

think it's overkill. I started using mones last summer, and I had also was prone to trying a gazillion different

things at the same time in large quantities while looking for the perfect combination (the one no one else has

found). I realized after a while that if I wasn't producing ODs and still getting good results it was probably

just a few of the products working their magic. I'm back to simple experimentation with one or two mones or maybe

three. This allows me to see what is doing what. Combinations are fun but it's probably best to start with simple

ones in small quantities. After all, some girls may respond positively to one and negatively to another. Combined

they might go either way or be totally neutral. Imagine how many factors are at play with everything you've got

on. And, it may be that one product in a small quantity might have worked better. I'd think that you could save

money and have a better grasp of what's going on with less on. Less is more.

Just my thoughts....

:)

Very nice analysis Tester. With all the various environmental and personal factors, keeping the -mone

factor simple makes it easier to judge effectiveness.

[DrSmellThis]

Chikara

is not known to produce OD reactions, but if so, why would you wear 7 sprays when a typical dose would be 1-3? Just

wondering...I've heard any number of accounts of ODs from Chikara over the years. They can be unpleasant,

and I've experienced them myself.

[idesign]

I've

heard any number of accounts of ODs from Chikara over the years. They can be unpleasant, and I've experienced them

myself.

How much, and what was the reaction? I've always felt safe with Chikara, and the only neg I've

gotten is way too much chattiness.

Admittedly, I always play it safe and don't try to OD. My max dose is 1-2

sprays, usually layered with TE or A7.

[terry0400-40]

How

much, and what was the reaction? I've always felt safe with Chikara, and the only neg I've gotten is way too much

chattiness.

Admittedly, I always play it safe and don't try to OD. My max dose is 1-2 sprays, usually layered

with TE or A7.Chikara alone at one or two does nix for me, even with a

spray of TE added.

I think i will just strap my balls down and go all out and give it a four spray blast alone, or

with an added spray of TE what do ya reccon ?? :rasp:

[lifetransform]

How

much, and what was the reaction? I've always felt safe with Chikara, and the only neg I've gotten is way too much

chattiness.

Admittedly, I always play it safe and don't try to OD. My max dose is 1-2 sprays, usually layered

with TE or A7.

yes, I'm also very curious about the unpleasant reactions. so far I've experienced

nothing but positive enhanced effects of my original mix. the only OD I came close to was my own mood being

effected at 6+ sprays from the first test run, but it seems if I buffer it with a gallon of -nol products it all

works out nicely.

[lifetransform]

Chikara alone at one or two does nix for me, even

with a spray of TE added.

I think i will just strap my balls

down and go all out and give it a four spray blast alone, or with an added spray of TE what do ya reccon ?? :rasp:



yah man, go for it. buffer it with tons of -nol like soe, or the instant line products

from 'the other place' and let us know what happens. :hammer:

[terry0400-40]

yah man, go for it. buffer it with tons of -nol like soe, or the instant line products

from 'the other place' and let us know what happens. :hammer:Sure thing

LTF, i am out of SOE but i still have some CTTM 2 and also half a bottle of Spaceland that should buffer it up

enough.

The

last time i went to the dentist i had on like 5 sprays of Spaceland and the dentist would not shut

up,

this

was in a big dental hospital with scores of dentists and their assistants all in this one area like and this dentist

also burst out into song with a good base tena booming out he sure appeared really out of it and his female

assistant went as red as a beetroot and all the staff were laughing at him, he ended up pulling out nearly every

tooth i posessed that day lol....

Wear enough of this shit and it sure will have some remarkable effects that is for

sure.....:rofl:

[lifetransform]

Sure thing LTF, i am out of SOE but i still have some

CTTM 2 and also half a bottle of Spaceland that should buffer it up enough.

The last time i went to the dentist i had on like 5 sprays of Spaceland and the dentist would not

shut up,

this was in a big dental hospital with scores of

dentists and their assistants all in this one area like and this dentist also burst out into song with a good base

tena booming out he sure appeared really out of it and his female assistant went as red as a beetroot and all the

staff were laughing at him, he ended up pulling out nearly every tooth i posessed that day lol....



Wear enough of this shit and it sure will have some remarkable effects that is

for sure.....:rofl:

omg lol, I remember reading this dental story from 'other place'

forum haha.

really makes me wanna try spaceland plus pot...


cttm2 is always a good chatty product, but wears

out too fast. I've found that instant openess is the most versatile in most situations, like Gegogi

suggested.

:hammer:

ever receive sexual or too-friendly hits from spaceland? or are the effects more like

laughing gas?

[lifetransform]

I was just going through

the forum again to see if I could find any hints as to what the 4 new pheromones are in chikara that makes it

enhance my mix so much...

no luck.

I have a strong suspicion that it's something close to P74 and P83, those

2 putatives seems to elicit similar reactions from people when I tested them, albeit not as smoothly and blatantly

detectable.

P74 - friendly, having fun, life of the party pheromone

P83 - inhibition reducing, impulse

encouraging pheromone

:smite:

[terry0400-40]

omg lol, I remember reading this dental story from 'other place' forum haha.



really makes me wanna try spaceland plus pot...


cttm2 is always a good chatty product, but wears out too

fast. I've found that instant openess is the most versatile in most situations, like Gegogi suggested.



:hammer:

ever receive sexual or too-friendly hits from spaceland? or are the effects more like laughing

gas?I have some mixes made up in atomisers Spaceland + NPA + Androsterone

sorta like using npa+soe or alpha7+soe.

Certainly using the

stuff alone can produce some mindless motormouth so i now use it in mixes, or use it alone and add 1/4

aRONE.

2 Drops of Alpha7 and couple sprays Spaceland do it for

me good.

Alpha A314 @ 2 drops and Alpha 7 @ 1 drop is another

magic mix, very smooth attraction mix once conversation has been initiated.

I tried instant honesty but only had a 2.5 ml trialsize so needed more to evaluate its effects, I

was of the opinion that Instant Honesty may suit me better and produce more intimate conversation than instant

openess, seeing that IH is predominantly more betanol less alphanol probably produce less motormouth lol.

[lifetransform]

instant honesty works

better in 1 on 1 settings. I had on tons of IH when that girl stayed in my car and we chatted away for 4

hours.

I thought the same thing at first of IO, but then after some trials I realized that you need both IO and

IH to maximize the benefits.
IO does indeed encourage motor mouth, but that's not a bad thing, you can always

guide the convo towards more intimate topics. I prefer the girls to do most of the talking anyways, so I don't

have to reveal too much about myself, and they think that I'm a good listener. (another downside of IH, you really

have to watch what you say and not give away the farm...happened to me several times and I kick myself afterwards)



IH does not open girls up as well as IO, too intense and serious for breaking the ice.

these days, I use more

IO when I'm in a group setting and I'm noticing more girls initiate convos with me on their own. I bring a togo

IH with me and excuse myself to the restroom to apply it when I'm in 1 on 1 settings.

[terry0400-40]

instant honesty works better in 1 on 1 settings. I had on tons of IH when that girl

stayed in my car and we chatted away for 4 hours.

I thought the same thing at first of IO, but then after some

trials I realized that you need both IO and IH to maximize the benefits.
IO does indeed encourage motor mouth, but

that's not a bad thing, you can always guide the convo towards more intimate topics. I prefer the girls to do most

of the talking anyways, so I don't have to reveal too much about myself, and they think that I'm a good listener.

(another downside of IH, you really have to watch what you say and not give away the farm...happened to me several

times and I kick myself afterwards)

IH does not open girls up as well as IO, too intense and serious for

breaking the ice.

these days, I use more IO when I'm in a group setting and I'm noticing more girls initiate

convos with me on their own. I bring a togo IH with me and excuse myself to the restroom to apply it when I'm in 1

on 1 settings.:goodpost: Really good information and fab presentation, had

ta give you + reps. :type:

[kevio]

LT. Do you know the ratio of alpha

and beta -nol in each Instant product? I remember Spaceland is mainly alpha. IS is 30% beta. IO is 70%???

[lifetransform]

yup, somewhere along those

lines...

IS - mainly TAA, don't know if it has any -nols in it.
IH - 80% beta -nol
IO- 80% alpha -nol
CTTM2 -

50/50 alpha/beta -nol

spaceland...forgot lol

terry knows more about spaceland. =)

[lifetransform]

:goodpost: Really good information and fab

presentation, had ta give you + reps. :type:


blush...:wub:

[terry0400-40]

yup, somewhere along those lines...

IS - mainly TAA, don't know if it has any

-nols in it.
IH - 80% beta -nol
IO- 80% alpha -nol
CTTM2 - 50/50 alpha/beta -nol

spaceland...forgot lol



terry knows more about spaceland. =)Just about 100% Alpha Androstenol with

possibly a small touch of stabiliser or fixitive if i recall.

My motivation for ordering it in the first

place as well as ordering Androsterone was to make my own version of Scent of Eros.

But i am not sure if SOE is a mix of beta nol

and Alpha nol + aRONE.

If SOE is a combo of the 2 nols, I dont think we will get the information regarding the ratios

ect, probably secret id say.

[lifetransform]

I remember seeing JVK post

the ratio of soe on the other forum not too long ago-
90% half half alpha beta -nol, 10% -rone.

I reserve

the right to be wrong. :hammer:

[terry0400-40]

I remember seeing JVK post the ratio of soe on the other forum not too long ago-
90%

half half alpha beta -nol, 10% -rone.

I reserve the right to be wrong. :hammer:Sounds ok, seems like it would be a workable combo, Had a few bottles of SOE and numerous g/pks, like

other good products sometimes very positive great results and sometimes nothing noticed.

It seems so that sometimes suitable

conditions and suitable targets come together at the correct times to get the best advantage of a product and or a

mix and sometimes they just dont line up, but when they do it can be a wonderful event and also awsome in its

perceived effects.

I am very happy with my results overall and as time goes by i find that one has gained the

intuition to mix and match pheromones to suit the best perceived windows of opportunity.

Im just waiting for the correct time to

apply my planned 4spr Chikara and 1spr TE blast.

[Ectoplasm]

I got so many positive results today it's blowing my mind. I upped the dosage to 5

sprays today for experiment. went to class, nothing special happened at first, then we broke into groups for

discussion and boom all the IOIs started to pop up all over the place. first, I was the only male in my group so

that gave my mones plenty of room to work its magic. (it's interesting to note that all of the other groups were

either all male or all female, I was included in an all male group the last time we broke into groups, b4 I started

adding chikara in my mix)

the girls in my group ranged from 18-35+ and all were behaving very friendly towards

me, laughing at every little joke I made, giving me their full attention when I talked and welcomed my input,

constant eye contact, looking down and away, etc. these were the same girls that sat with me for the last 2 classes

and never paid any attention to me. I try some kino on all the girls and none of them seemed to mind, taking their

hand and touching their shoulders etc. at the of the class, one girl in particular stayed behind to chat with me and

walked me to my car(even tho she parked all the way on the other side of campus), then I drove her to her car and we

sat in the car and talked for about 4 hours till all the windows fogged up and she said 'oh it's totally titanic'

lol

suffice it to say, chikara obviously works better the more I apply. I will keep upping the dosage till I

start seeing OD reactions. 6-7 sprays for tomorrow! :wave:

Did you use ONLY these 5 sprays of Chikara,

or still in a mix?

[lifetransform]

Did you use ONLY these 5 sprays of Chikara, or still in a mix?

always in a mix.

:smite:
chikara doesn't work much on its own for some weird reason.

here's the typical mix I use day to day

in case you're wondering-

new version A314 - 3 drops, neck and wrist
Edge - 6 sprays, neck and chest
NPA-

2 dabs, wrist
instant honesty - 5 sprays, wrist and hair
instant openess - 7 sprays, chest and hair
come talk to

me2 - 4 sprays, neck and hair
instant shine 2x - 3 sprays, neck chest
chikara - 7 sprays, neck and chest

[lifetransform]

damn, my chikara bottle is

already down to 1/3 after 1 month of usage.

just ordered 3 more chikaras and 4 liquid trusts. hehe

:hammer:

so far, I still can't be absolutely certain liquid trust actually does anything, BUT...I've long ago

learned to trust 'coincidences' when it comes to matters of the mone.

went out on couple of dates with the girl

from class. she is responding well to my mix and my advances. on one of the dates we went to play pool and I

decided to add some liquid trust (6 sprays) in my mix to see if there's any difference in her reactions, ANY kind

of subtle difference to demonstrate that liquid trust does have some sort of effect.

well, at first she seemed ok

when we met up at a coffee shop, then we got into my car (enclosed space) and she started asking about some of the

scars on my hand- not a big deal, but she never noticed b4. then as we were playing pool, I'd grab her and kiss

her cheek and neck every chance I got. (when she sank a ball or miss or when I did something funny) everything was

going REALLY well, I felt she was becoming much much more comfortable with me. whereas b4 I was usually the one to

initiate kino with her - hold her, kiss her neck, hold her hand, brush her hair...etc, this time she started to put

her arms around my waist while I was aiming for a shot or give me a tiny peck on my cheek when I was holding

her.

I was emboldened by her behavior so I became really aggressive with my remarks and displays of sexual

arousal by her. I'd wait for her to bend over the pool table studying a shot and say "are you TRYING to turn me

on?" and she'd bounce straight up and acting really self conscious, yet never showing annoyance or anger, just

shyness.
or I'll get really into kissing her neck and she'd giggle and smile and eventually pull me off her and

say 'ok, ok, go play pool' with big grin.

again, I still can't be sure this is liquid trust, it might've

just been a logical kino escalation as that was the 3rd date we went on.

she did comment that she felt we were

moving kinda fast as we don't know much about each other but she really liked spending time with me, that was b4 I

added liquid trust, it was chikara and instant honesty at work.

will continue testing adding liquid trust with my

new chikara enhanced mix.

[lifetransform]

"Estrogen increases the

effects of oxytocin, while testosterone mutes them and causes them to dissipate sooner, so women feel all

oxytocin's effects more strongly."


found this from a liquid trust dosage experiment review off google

search.

very interesting, I'll increase my dosage to 10 sprays next time and hug her real tight for a while to

make sure she's inhaling enough of the oxytocin. then we'll see if she behaves like she did on the pool

date.

also, does this mean oxytocin becomes more effective the closer a woman is to menstruation? cuz the

estrogen levels skyrockets during that cycle.

:hammer:

[DrSmellThis]

How

much, and what was the reaction? I've always felt safe with Chikara, and the only neg I've gotten is way too much

chattiness.

Admittedly, I always play it safe and don't try to OD. My max dose is 1-2 sprays, usually layered

with TE or A7.I started getting OD at 3 full sprays -- a real closed off reaction. At smaller doses by

itself it enhanced trust.

Please take what lifetransform is saying about CK as only his personal

experince, and not the experience of the typical user.

[lifetransform]

I started getting OD at 3 full sprays -- a real closed off reaction. At smaller doses

by itself it enhanced trust.

Please take what lifetransform is saying about CK as only his personal

experince, and not the experience of the typical user.

yes, quite right. I require much higher

dosages to see the results I want and I don't OD easily.

[idesign]

yes,

quite right. I require much higher dosages to see the results I want and I don't OD easily.

It seems

that huge doses would overcome any effect of the wearer's skin and chem makeup. In such a case, a preponderance of

chemical -mones would completely overwhelm any natural signature. Given that a small dose of, say NPA, produces a

signature many times that of any natural output, I wonder where any benefit would be beyond a certain dose.

It

occurs to me that its the "target" who reads a -mone signature. General forum experience suggests that there are

limits to what, in general, a target can tolerate in terms of "power doses".

All that to say, I mean ask, have

you ever OD'd on any of your mixes?

[idesign]

I

started getting OD at 3 full sprays -- a real closed off reaction. At smaller doses by itself it enhanced

trust.

Good to know Doc. My max has been 2 sprays, and I backed off from there both alone and esp in

mixes. I can do 2 sprays as a standalone, but dislike the chattiness. One spray with TE or A7 is nice.

[lifetransform]

It

seems that huge doses would overcome any effect of the wearer's skin and chem makeup. In such a case, a

preponderance of chemical -mones would completely overwhelm any natural signature. Given that a small dose of, say

NPA, produces a signature many times that of any natural output, I wonder where any benefit would be beyond a

certain dose.

It occurs to me that its the "target" who reads a -mone signature. General forum experience

suggests that there are limits to what, in general, a target can tolerate in terms of "power doses".

All that to

say, I mean ask, have you ever OD'd on any of your mixes?

yup, horrible OD experiences while testing one

of the experimental mix from 'the other place' called mx103 - a spray form of A314.

I used to go up to 10+

sprays of Edge (mostly applied on clothes) and never had much OD problems. I'm pretty positive I'm one of those

types that don't produce much natural -none.