View Full Version : Still no Success with anything...
Jamie3500
12-23-2007, 02:21 PM
Hey all. Well about 4 months and £200 later I still have seen no effects of the 'mones. Im sorry to keep comming
back to this but can anyone help me get them going?
What I have:
Alpha 7
A314
The Edge, unscented
chikara,
scented
Typically I use 3 sprays of TE or Chikara, or 4 drops of A314 or A7, all on my neck as the weather is
cold and i am always wearing long sleeves I sometimes cover with Prada but sometimes dont cover atall.I realise
these all contain -none to some extent or another so mabey I should stay away from it all together and stick with
pure -nol or -rone . What do you guys think?
Possibly useful info - Male, 17, brittish,slightly below average
looking (IMO), not alpha, mabey not even Beta lol. Shy around some women but not all.
Thanks Guys
Bruce
12-23-2007, 03:15 PM
My initial reaction is that you are
using waaaay too much at one time. I would hold off on everything except maybe a spray of Chikara until all that
dies down; could take a few days. Many OD folks have noticed hits while the OD applications die down to effective
levels.
Guys that use pheros in smokey clubs may get results from applications like that; myself I wouldn't
wear anything near that at the mall.
Peace,
B
callmejt
12-23-2007, 04:12 PM
4 drops of A7? ouch! That
sounds like a killer from what I've read. The recommended dose for that seems to be 1 or 2 drops, and a cover of
some kind. Goodluck.
paulman
12-23-2007, 05:43 PM
I agree. All of that stuff is
way too strong. Give it a couple of days without pheromones. For some people, none will actually repel women. The
safest thing to use is SOE if you have some(Gel packs are inexpensive). It creates a very friendly yet masculine
aura. If you do decide to go with the other none based products, I'd go very light. Try just one or two dabs (not
sprays) of the Edge with SOE. A314 is best for work outstanding for this purpose - creating a reliable alpha image,
but can repel people in lighter party situations. A7 sounds too heavy for a starter product and I'd use it after I
got the hang of pheromones.
You also might want to think about some of the programs on the internet to build your
confidence with women as this is more critical than the pheromones. You can use Google to find lots of free and
paid info.
Gegogi
12-24-2007, 03:03 AM
I'll have to concur here. A 17
year old wearing OD levels of androstenone heavy product is a recipe for failure. Normally only older men are in
need of androstenone replacement therapy. You naturally make it in abundance.
You probably need a good dose of
social mones--alpha androstenol--and maybe female comfort increasing mones--A-1. The -nol will foster verbiage and
help impart a friendly air whereas the A-1 will crease female comfort and relaxation. You can't OD on either one of
those, but high doses of -nol can get goofy. If you must wear androstenone, use a tiny dosage and buffer it with
androstenol and/or A-1.
With all that said, success is still mostly about you: your social skills, appearance and
persona. If I had to pin a number on it, I'd say 90% you and 10% mones. So you have to work hard if you want to
enhance your social, professional or romantic life. The mones can only amp you up if you put out.
Jamie3500
12-24-2007, 06:54 AM
Thanks guys, these are the
sort of resposes I was execting but none the less helpful. :goodpost: . I decided a few days ago to try a different
approach and I orderer SoE(scented) and Pheros for its apparently very appealing smell... Do you folks think these
are more suited for myself?
Cheers
belgareth
12-24-2007, 07:00 AM
Most likely, yes. At your age
SoE is one of the best choices out there. After you figure out the amount that works for you, you can supplement
with a none product but start small.
Jamie3500
12-24-2007, 07:08 AM
Now, when you say small...how
small? For some reason I cant see a single drop being enough to produce any scent. Yeah I know the "less is more"
theory but how little?
paulman
12-24-2007, 07:53 AM
Starting small with none depends
on the product. One drop (even a small one) is a lot of none and could be an instant overdose for you. The Edge is
much less concentrated. I wouldn't go for a full spray though. I'd use Edge by taking the bottle and dabbing to
my finger. Try one or two dabs first and don't go over that until you get this down. None is strange in that it
can repel or attract very strongly.
paulman
12-24-2007, 07:54 AM
Fix for last post - One drop of
A7 can be an instant overdose for some people.
belgareth
12-24-2007, 07:59 AM
It isn't the scent, it's the
pheromones dispersed into the air. A drop of TE will give you many time the amount of pheromones dispersed around
you that your own body produces. You've said yourself that you are not alpha. Stay away from alpha products to
avoid a possible conflict between real persona and pheromone signature until you have learned how to handle it.
Koolking1 and Gegogi have both written numerous, excellent tracts on how to approach women properly, look around the
forum and you'll learn quite a lot.
I can't really speak to exactly what will or will not work for you, partly
because we only have a small and subjective description of you. I am somewhat an alpha and 51 years old. I must
still produce a large amount of -none because I am better off not wearing any artificial -none at all.
Start
maybe half a dozen inches of SoE and wear it for a week while watching AND interacting with people. You can increase
the amount the following week. What you are trying to do is learn how much of a single product you need. Once you
have come to understand that product, add a single small dab of TE to it and see what happens. Again, give it a few
days because you want to expose your mones to as many different people as possible. If no reaction or change in
reactions you can increase the dose in a week.
There is little I can add to what
has been said, except to vouch for the problems androstenone can cause. I'm hovering near 60 y/o but had a "curl up
in a defensive ball" reaction from a 35 y/o female test subject while experimenting with Primal Instinct (only 1 to
2 drops at that too).
Start with minimal dosages, and *give yourself time* to evaluate the results. One or two
encounters isn't enough, It can take weeks if not months to suss out how things will work for you, if they work at
all. Also a sepcific product may work great for some people, not at all for someone else.
Experiemtation!
Jamie3500
01-01-2008, 09:58 AM
Thanks guys. I got my order of
SoE and Pheros. I have used SoE before (although that time it was unscented but I assume the dossage should be about
the same). Pheros however, to the best of my knowledge, is not a pheromone produce per say. Can anyone tell me if
there is any dossage limit to Pheros?
Thanks guys.
I got my order of SoE and Pheros. I have used SoE before (although that time it was unscented but I assume the
dossage should be about the same). Pheros however, to the best of my knowledge, is not a pheromone produce per say.
Can anyone tell me if there is any dossage limit to Pheros?
DST would be the expert on Pheros, but to
the best of my knowledge there is no "OD" limit except in terms of smelling too strong like with any cologne or
fragarance. Subtlety is key.
Pheros supposedly contains some "natural pheromones" and enhancers, but at very
low levels. For all intents and purposes you can consider Pheros pheromone-free in terms of adjusting dosages.
My opinions.
Jamie3500
01-01-2008, 11:31 AM
Yeah, i figured it would be
something like that, just neded a second opinion, thanks. heres just a general question to anyone who has tried
pheros - how many dabs is enough for people to detect the smell without smelling pungent? I ask because I personally
have next to no sense of smell :(
Yeah, i
figured it would be something like that, just neded a second opinion, thanks. heres just a general question to
anyone who has tried pheros - how many dabs is enough for people to detect the smell without smelling pungent? I ask
because I personally have next to no sense of smell :(
Try one dab of Pheros. It will be subtle, just
at the edge of awareness.
It's good stuff. That's the way I use it.
Yeah, i
figured it would be something like that, just neded a second opinion, thanks. heres just a general question to
anyone who has tried pheros - how many dabs is enough for people to detect the smell without smelling pungent? I ask
because I personally have next to no sense of smell :(
Try one dab of Pheros. It will
be subtle, just at the edge of awareness.
It's good stuff. That's the way I use it.
With this or
with most any of the oil-based Essential Oil type perfumes/fragrances I aim for about two dabs as a starter, then
work up maybe a dab at a time if necessary. Most products I've been using like this (including Pheros) seem to work
best for me at around 4 dabs. But it also depends on the weather and what kind (how many layers) of clothes I'm
wearing.
Usually I only need to apply once a day and it lasts a good 8+ hours, although it can sometimes get
faint, If it gets into the clothes I'm wearing I can sometimes smell it the next morning! (but I have to get up
close. So if you wake up with someone snuggling up against you from the evening before....).
The key of course
is as was said. Keep it subtle. Strong enough to cover any funk from pheromones etc, but just at the edge of
detection.
Note: I have discovered that when I am fighting an infection of some sort (eg a cold) my armpits can
get really skunky. In fact that's one way I an tell I'm coming down with something as that stink usually perceeds
my actually feeling bad. When this happens I grab the ever-so-lightly-scented Mitchum "unscented" antiperspirant to
keep the skunk at bay, but I still need to take the stank into consideration when applying any fragarences. It's
the only time I wear anti-p except I know I'm going to be in a sweaty formal situation where sopping pits are
frowned upon...
:hammer:
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