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idesign
09-26-2007, 05:42 PM
Got my shipment of
Pheros today and have to applaud Bruce for again providing great service. :thumbsup:
Thought that this new
thread would be a good place for Pheros buyers to post their impressions.
First impressions: Nothing less than
amazing. I've been smelling it on my wrist for over 3 hours now and every time its different. There's a
consistent musk note after the opening of fresh woods and spice, but not at all overpowering, and lots of other
things come through over time. Complex!
To be completely honest, the first 30-60 seconds after application there
was some subtle note I didn't like and thought, Oh No! Nothing strong, but a scent that didn't seem to fit. It
died very quickly, and its not uncommon for me to not like a fragrance fresh on my skin. Even EOs.
As it matured
I realized that I was experiencing a half-dozen of my favorite colognes all rolled into one, and even better because
there was none of the brash chemical assault and subsequent shallowness. Pheros is warm from the beginning and
keeps inviting you in.
Very well done Dr. I now know why Pheros has the reputation it does.
DrSmellThis
09-26-2007, 07:56 PM
Thanks for your detailed
feedback, idesign. Your analysis is accurate, except for the praise, which is neither accurate nor innaccurate.
Frankly, I agree totally about the one annoying note. I know exactly what you mean, and spent countless hours over
months in damage control trying to subtract it out or disguise it, with only modest success. It was a batch, not a
formula, so you're stuck with it.
It came from a mistake in adding one ingredient -- just the slightest touch
-- that I never should have added. It was much worse at first, trust me; and I was very depressed until progress was
made to "heal it". It is part of the top note, so it does go away, like you said.
Oh well, lots of good things
have a flaw. The best I can say is that I managed to make it a minor aspect over time. Like you said.
The fact
that it smells different every time you smell it bucks every trend in contemporary perfuming, which tends toward
simple "consorts" that always smell the same. The professional "Nose" who smelled it had that as his primary
criticism. So it's kind of guerrilla perfume in that way.
Anyway, in order to have it be the same all the
time, you have to age every oil just the right amount of time, which means you have to be working for a multimillion
dollar international perfume corporation with a huge budget set aside for your particular product. A small detail.
;)
Personally, I don't mind the kaleidoscope effect. Makes life more interesting; more organic. That's the way
life is; and the way people are too.
idesign
09-27-2007, 05:10 PM
Personally I LOVE the
"kaleidoscope effect", and that's a great term for it. And its unpredictability always pleases.
The funny note
at the beginning is not that big a deal, and I hesitated to even mention it. You have to really pay attention at
just the right time to even catch it. Its so fleeting, and in no way detracts from the experience.
I like the
way the scent lingers like a memory. I've noticed this with EOs too. Even after it totally leaves the skin my
nose (or brain) registers the scent at random times. It happened this morning 2 or 3 times before I applied it for
the day. Does this make any sense?
Hope others will chime in. Whaddya think guys/gals?
DrSmellThis
09-27-2007, 10:10 PM
I like
the way the scent lingers like a memory. I've noticed this with EOs too. Even after it totally leaves the skin my
nose (or brain) registers the scent at random times. It happened this morning 2 or 3 times before I applied it for
the day. Does this make any sense?Yes. The reason you remember the smell so well is because of the analog
pheromones, which have corresponding places in the brain and olfactory system that have evolved to process them.
Your brain is already hard wired to process valerian root, sandalwood, almond, cumin, floral elements, benzoin,
and the musks; to name some examples. Other scents in Pheros, like real citrus and honey, are memorable
because they are processed like food.
This is why people often remark that it smells "familiar", and that they
remember vividly how it smells. The same can be said for synthetic lab pheromones, as recent research posted in this
forum suggested.
If your smell creates a lasting impression, hopefully you will too.
Commercial perfumes,
on the other hand, are made from tweaked petroleum derivatives and the like; often brand new chemicals that our
neurological/olfactory systems are not designed to process. They are going to register as strange rather than
familiar, and are going to be comparitively easy to forget.
Guy101
09-28-2007, 01:35 AM
Well, I have not tried Pheros
before, but is it an oil base or what?
Tiger4
09-28-2007, 10:21 AM
When did you
order it? I preordered mine 21 Sept. and it still hasn't arrived yet.:think:
Got
my shipment of Pheros today and have to applaud Bruce for again providing great service. :thumbsup:
DrSmellThis
09-28-2007, 12:36 PM
Well, I
have not tried Pheros before, but is it an oil base or what?Alcohol and water.
jamesdeanmartin
09-28-2007, 12:39 PM
Just got mine today.
Smells great. Will try it out tonight in all likelihood at the bars.
idesign
09-28-2007, 04:39 PM
Your
brain is already hard wired to process valerian root, sandalwood, almond, cumin, floral elements, benzoin, and the
musks; to name some examples. Other scents in Pheros, like real citrus and honey, are memorable because they
are processed like food.
Commercial perfumes, on the other hand, are made from tweaked petroleum derivatives
and the like; often brand new chemicals that our neurological/olfactory systems are not designed to process. They
are going to register as strange rather than familiar, and are going to be comparitively easy to
forget.
Thanks Doc, this makes perfect sense.
I've been reading that EOs have such complex molecular
structures that many (or even most) oils have not even been broken down completely. It would seem that all
the constituents of any natural scent would play a role in our perception, esp at subliminal levels.
To
isolate a particular compound for its pleasure factor would eliminate the whole, which is the most amazing part.
There are some commercial frags that I really like, but I don't remember them until I put them on again.
Before I hijack another thread, my own even! I will say that Pheros is more than just a great smelling scent.
Your comment about it being more "organic" and more "like people" is just right.
And its becoming addictive.
:lovestruc
CAtriathlete
09-28-2007, 05:23 PM
I got mine today and I'm
in heaven! I love the complexity and the way it evolves over time on my skin.
I've never been a fan of scents
that had such spice notes, but this truly rocks.
Bravo!
Now I may need to get some concentrate for the
future...
-CAt
Gorgar
09-28-2007, 05:38 PM
My bottle arrived today. I tried
a small sample and right away it sort of reminded me of "Old Spice". It does fade into a nice pleasant scent that I
keep sniffing, it makes me feel good. I'll be wearing it tomorrow night with a bit of Perception.
belgareth
09-28-2007, 07:58 PM
Try it with SoE(u), they go
great together. I'm planning on trying mine out with AQ(u) this weekend.
DrSmellThis
09-28-2007, 09:36 PM
It does
fade into a nice pleasant scent that I keep sniffing, it makes me feel good.I've had a tendency to feel
depressed lately, and found that applying Pheros to my face like aftershave pretty much lifts my depression
away for the rest of the day. A tiny bit under the nose seems to increase the effect. Honestly, I am suprised at how
well it has been working for that. Even though I always knew it was good for mood and emotions, I was focused on
other aspects of it.
I definitely recommend people try it for mood purposes. It just occured to me all of a
sudden that the effect was pretty remarkable for that; really a sort of radical difference; like you would expect
from an antidepressant drug without the side effects. Like there is no way it could be your imagination.
I'd be
very interested to know whether others are affected in this way, to this extent.
What was most remarkable about
it for me was that the effect has been lasting, with no crash or come down; not a temporary spike in mood.
I like it. It reminds me of scents
from the 19th and early 20th century. Those are often my favorites, and Pheros will easily join them. It's good
to find someone still using natural oils and understanding their interactions.
Mine is separating out a bit. I
think there is too much water in the carrier. Perhaps a higher concentration of alcohol for the carrier would be
better. I was considering moving it to a spray bottle but I won't because this separation requires shaking before
use and that wouldn't mix the oils in the spray tube.
Tiger4
09-30-2007, 01:36 AM
I have
to admit that when I first smelled the pheros I was disappointed. It smelled rather familiar, like some scented oils
I remembered smelling somewhere. I then put some behind the ears and on my neck and could not smell a thing on me,
so I put on a little more. Later that day, something strange happened. I went to the grocery store and was asking
myself "what is that smell?" (forgetting that I had the pheros on). Then it occured to me that it was the pheros on
me. The scent smelled a little richer than it did from the bottle. It didn't seem like a very strong scent at
first, but I could smell it on me later in the day. Maybe others can smell it on me even better?
WorkingMann
09-30-2007, 07:34 AM
Does it come in the bottle
shown in the picture with the cork or what does it come in?
Does it
come in the bottle shown in the picture with the cork or what does it come in?
I haven't seen the
pictures, but mine came in a little spherical bottle of clear glass, with a screw top. No label.
DrSmellThis
09-30-2007, 01:16 PM
I like it.
It reminds me of scents from the 19th and early 20th century. Those are often my favorites, and Pheros will easily
join them. It's good to find someone still using natural oils and understanding their interactions.
Mine is
separating out a bit. I think there is too much water in the carrier. Perhaps a higher concentration of alcohol for
the carrier would be better. I was considering moving it to a spray bottle but I won't because this separation
requires shaking before use and that wouldn't mix the oils in the spray tube.I'm glad you appreciate an
old school approach.
Yep, the separating out of the ingredients is something I'd prefer not happen.
It
could have been prevented if I'd used just alcohol as the carrier, as you suggest. Indeed, there is no separation
in Pheros Concentrate, for the reason that it lacks the water. However, when I tried different ratios of
water and alcohol, and tested them on volunteers, the ones with more water turned out better.
I concluded,
Fernando Lamas-like, that it was better for a perfume to smell good than to look good.
Tiger4
10-01-2007, 09:22 AM
More
experimentation is needed, but it seems as though the pheros brings on depression with me. I was wondering if any
A1 is in it.
I definitely recommend people try it for mood purposes. It just
occured to me all of a sudden that the effect was pretty remarkable for that; really a sort of radical difference;
like you would expect from an antidepressant drug without the side effects.
I'd be very interested to know
whether others are affected in this way, to this extent.
nbnbtc
10-01-2007, 11:10 AM
Pheros, old batch, always made me
happily sleepy. Never depressed. I hope the current Pheros is more of the same!
WorkingMann
10-01-2007, 02:03 PM
I
haven't seen the pictures, but mine came in a little spherical bottle of clear glass, with a screw top. No
label.
Does it have a syringe or anything?
DrSmellThis
10-01-2007, 02:32 PM
More experimentation is needed, but it seems as though the pheros
brings on depression with me. I was wondering if any A1 is in it.
Judging from the history of pheromone
use discussed on the forum over the years, there are insufficient amounts of any one lab pheromone in Pheros
for any single lab pheromone to cause a depressive reaction; like 1/100 of the level of other products.
Wearing
any normal androstenone product will probably result in more than that converting to A1 on your skin; and you have
quite a lot of A1 on your skin already due to nature.
But it's possible you could react negatively to one of
the essential oils, like having a sensitivity.
The stuff affects me and most others in the opposite way, as far
as I can tell. But anything that is psychoactive, because of aromatherapy or whatever, has the potential for
differing effects in different people, due to individual differences.
It's possible that something other than
Pheros is causing you to have low mood, I'm assuming.
But it's also very possible that this "side
effect", if it is actually somehow due to Pheros, will go away on its own; or that it could be different if
your body conditions change in the future.
Nevertheless, if you continue to get depressed wearing it, I'd
sugggest discontinuing use, and sending the product back for a refund.
DrSmellThis
10-01-2007, 02:44 PM
Pheros,
old batch, always made me happily sleepy. Never depressed. I hope the current Pheros is more of the
same!Relaxed and content is the reaction most have described; and the exact reaction I personally
experience.
No depressive effects here.
Yesterday I tried daubbing on some of the concentrate. It works just fine like that. I think I prefer the
concentrate to the dilute version which separates.
WorkingMann
10-02-2007, 08:49 AM
Just got mine today.. Both
concentrate and normal..
At first when I smelled the bottle the scent is very strong (at least to me) and I didnøt
like it very much..
But I thought I gotta try it out before I can give of my oppinion..
I dabbed a little on my
right wrist and some under my nose..
Not long after I got really tired and got into bed and fell asleep.. I've
sleept 2-3 hours and I just smelled my wrist again..
NOW it smells GREAT! Sweet and vanilla like (at least to me)..
The first scent was very spicy and was a bit to much to me but now I really like it.. :twisted:
I don't think it
was Pheros that made me sleepy - because I didn't get much sleep last night but further testing will show this in
the end..
Thanks for the wonderpotion Doc :kiss:
idesign
10-02-2007, 04:17 PM
I
have to admit that when I first smelled the pheros I was disappointed. It smelled rather familiar, like some scented
oils I remembered smelling somewhere. I then put some behind the ears and on my neck and could not smell a thing on
me, so I put on a little more. Later that day, something strange happened. I went to the grocery store and was
asking myself "what is that smell?" (forgetting that I had the pheros on). Then it occured to me that it was the
pheros on me. The scent smelled a little richer than it did from the bottle. It didn't seem like a very strong
scent at first, but I could smell it on me later in the day. Maybe others can smell it on me even
better?
Yes, others will smell it, and you will too if you apply it to your pulse points, ie
inside elbows and wrist, neck, etc. If you apply it on those places (below your nose) you'll have a better
experience.
Any good fragrance will evolve over time on your skin for several reasons. Smelling it from the
bottle is a "cheap imitation" of what you get when you wear it. I think you've figured that out.
Try this:
Apply it on your wrist and inner elbow and smell it right away. Wait 2 mins and smell again. Wait 5 mins and smell
again. After that try it in 10-15 min. intervals. You can do this with your eyes closed for greater effect. I
suspect what you'll find is more than you thought you would.
idesign
10-02-2007, 04:31 PM
No depressive
effects here.
Yesterday I tried daubbing on some of the concentrate. It works just fine like that. I think I
prefer the concentrate to the dilute version which separates.
Pheros is very mood lifting
for me.
I've been thinking about that too Gone, but I understand the water mix. I prefer dabbing over
spraying anyway.
I received some samples of a natural EO scent from a very reputable, even "famous" perfumer a
few days ago, mixed with alcohol only. The scent was just great, as good as I expected, but in an hour it was over,
the end, nothing left. Over a 4 hour period I had to apply it 3 times to get even a sense of what it had to
offer.
I suspect Pheros could have ended up something like that with pure alcohol and no water.
For me,
when the time comes I'll probably mix a portion of the concentrated Pheros with a carrier oil and see how
that goes.
idesign
10-02-2007, 04:52 PM
NOW
it smells GREAT! Sweet and vanilla like (at least to me).. The first scent was very spicy and was a bit to much to
me but now I really like it..
Yep WM, I get the vanilla-musk too, very inviting, as in... "allow me to
show you the boudoir now dear, you'll be comfortable there and it always gives satisfaction".
I like the spice
though too, and the woods.
DrSmellThis
10-03-2007, 09:15 PM
For me,
when the time comes I'll probably mix a portion of the concentrated Pheros with a carrier oil and see how
that goes.Unfotunately, I don't know if the oil idea would work. Over the many, many months Pheros
was created, some water made it into the concentrate version, back when I thought it might be finished, and before I
decided to distribute it. It's not clear whether that would interfere with it mixing with oil. It might, but I've
never tried it. I'd advise sticking with the water.
djjediforce
10-04-2007, 01:00 AM
Got the Pheros earlier this
week (I live in Beijing so was rather surprised that it arrived so quickly)...I must say I absolutely love the
scent!
Just for starters, I went to a local restaurant later that day with a few other people. I had already
applied about 12 inches of unscented SOE hours before leaving home. A nice but rather plain-looking waitress took
our order, nothing special. I excused myself to go to the restroom after ordering and, once there, placed a very
small amount of Pheros right under my nose and a little bit behind the ears to see what would happen. Within
seconds, I felt a huge surge of confidence...like an immediate high, very uplifting. I also felt much more alert and
aware of my surroundings. When the same waitress came to serve our food 10 minutes later, she seemed 10x more
attractive in my opinion than before. Needless to say, this stuff definitely had an effect on me if nothing else.
She also seemed a bit nervous this time around and actually spilled one of our entrees on the table.
Similar to
what DrSmellThis experienced, my mood lasted for the rest of the day and never let up. Thanks for making such a
great product :thumbsup:
Since I'm fairly new to mones, I'll keep testing and seeing what happens in other
locations/situations.
DrSmellThis
10-04-2007, 10:30 PM
Within seconds, I felt a huge surge of confidence...like an immediate high, very uplifting. I also felt much more
alert and aware of my surroundings. When the same waitress came to serve our food 10 minutes later, she seemed 10x
more attractive in my opinion than before. Needless to say, this stuff definitely had an effect on me if nothing
else. This kind of vignette seems promising for female users, given your reaction to the waitress.
The
ingredients in Pheros are unisex. Pheromonally, it's certainly not tilted one way or the other. So it all
comes down to taste as to which sex wears it. I hope some women are trying it, in particular those who don't like
girly scents, but prefer something earthier.
In any case, I'm happy you found the effect on yourself to be so
pleasant. If you're feeling more confident, that can't hurt.
idesign
10-07-2007, 10:12 PM
Unfotunately, I don't know if the oil idea would work. Over the many, many months
Pheros was created, some water made it into the concentrate version, back when I thought it might be
finished, and before I decided to distribute it. It's not clear whether that would interfere with it mixing with
oil. It might, but I've never tried it. I'd advise sticking with the water.
Point well taken. I'll
try the oil with a small amount of concentrate to experiment. I love the blended Pheros a lot, but the concentrate
is just so pretty in the bottle, it'd be nice to have a special blend with oil to use at special times. Someone I
know really likes it. ;)
raul1966
10-08-2007, 12:26 PM
Hello everyone!
i got
my pheros saturday, ay first when I smelled from bottle it felt to me so strong, so I put a little be under my
nostril and I did like it. I felt so relaxed that send to sleep! I believed it happen cuz I didn't sleep enough the
night before!
Superman
10-10-2007, 07:15 AM
Hi Dr and everyone
else!
Received my pheros concentrate today finally!
Hmm.. is it "safe" to use it during a woman's PMS?
Just
wondering :)
DrSmellThis
10-11-2007, 06:41 PM
Hi Dr
and everyone else!
Received my pheros concentrate today finally!
Hmm.. is it "safe" to use it during a
woman's PMS?
Just wondering :)All indications are that the stuff is very woman-friendly, no matter the
time of month. It seems to be gentle towards mood and supportive of mood for both sexes.
But do let us know your
own experiences.
Superman
10-11-2007, 10:29 PM
All
indications are that the stuff is very woman-friendly, no matter the time of month. It seems to be gentle towards
mood and supportive of mood for both sexes.
But do let us know your own experiences.
I tried four dabs
of the concentrate.. I liked the smell. It did sound familiar to me in the sense I did try to experiment with EO's
and it reminded me of that...
Went out with my girlfriend, who was in a good mood despite it being PMS time for
her.. Restaurant staff were friendly and took good care of my order (once they forgot about it, this time they did
not).
Also she told me something about a past boyfriend... wonder if that's due to the cops content?
I'm
thinking of trying some beta with it next.. to see how it goes.
DrSmellThis
10-12-2007, 06:04 PM
I tried
four dabs of the concentrate.. I liked the smell. It did sound familiar to me in the sense I did try to experiment
with EO's and it reminded me of that...
Went out with my girlfriend, who was in a good mood despite it being PMS
time for her.. Restaurant staff were friendly and took good care of my order (once they forgot about it, this time
they did not).
Also she told me something about a past boyfriend... wonder if that's due to the cops
content?
I'm thinking of trying some beta with it next.. to see how it goes.Why would cops lead
her to her tell you about an ex? Maybe I'm being dense here.
Keep us up to date on any mixing ideas.
In the
past people have had luck mixing it with NPA or Edge.
Superman
10-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Why
would cops lead her to her tell you about an ex? Maybe I'm being dense here.
Keep us up to date on any mixing
ideas.
In the past people have had luck mixing it with NPA or Edge.
I don't know perhaps it had
nothing to do with the cops. But if the thought that you may have been with someone else came to her, perhaps
that's why she brought this up. Just a maybe.
Anyway used a generous bit of the old beta and covered it
with 3 dabs of Pheros, added another 2 dabs on the front side of my wrists.
I did get a smile from a girl walking
with her bf, before I met my gf. Then our discussion turned to a sexual topic and the subject of marriage. Later we
walked for a while and I noticed girls smiling at me and possibly what looked like a DIHL from some woman. One girl
I didn't even recall where I knew her stopped me to say hi in front of my gf.
I'll mix Pheros with -none in
later experiments.. :)
idesign
10-15-2007, 06:35 PM
The last couple of weekends
I've been using Pheros to cover an A7/A1 mix with nice results. My g/f has become hooked on Pheros as well, and
confiscated my bottle of concentrate last weekend, we were at a wedding and related parties.
At a bar Sat night
we seemed the center of attention, with friends and strangers of all ages. We each got compliments on the scent,
and every time we looked at each other and smiled since we were both wearing it. It was fun teaching her how to
apply dabs of fragrance, as opposed to her usual sprays of commercial stuff. "Think about now, and later dear..."
:)
With the Pheros we both seemed to be very relaxed and open. Driving in the car we had the nicest mood, and
approached the night knowing that all was well in the world. At one point I looked over at her and she was wearing
the most content and pleasant smile. Well, it could have be ME making her smile. :)
The A7/A1 must have made a
difference too. I noticed men deferring in conversation and women subtly cozying up, with obvious restraint because
of my date. "I could'a been a contenda".
DrSmellThis
10-15-2007, 07:57 PM
The last
couple of weekends I've been using Pheros to cover an A7/A1 mix with nice results. My g/f has become hooked on
Pheros as well, and confiscated my bottle of concentrate last weekend, we were at a wedding and related parties.
At a bar Sat night we seemed the center of attention, with friends and strangers of all ages. We each got
compliments on the scent, and every time we looked at each other and smiled since we were both wearing it. It was
fun teaching her how to apply dabs of fragrance, as opposed to her usual sprays of commercial stuff. "Think about
now, and later dear..." :)
With the Pheros we both seemed to be very relaxed and open. Driving in the car we had
the nicest mood, and approached the night knowing that all was well in the world. At one point I looked over at her
and she was wearing the most content and pleasant smile. Well, it could have be ME making her smile. :)
The A7/A1
must have made a difference too. I noticed men deferring in conversation and women subtly cozying up, with obvious
restraint because of my date. "I could'a been a contenda".When worn by men, A1 and -none products like A7
seem to be good for mixing with Pheros.
My theory on that is that, since the biochemical profile is sort
of "generic sexy human", (like the pheromone, androstenol) you activate the stuff to its potential by tilting it
decidedly in one gender direction or the other. If a woman were wearing it, I'd want to see what copulins would do
to it.
idesign
10-24-2007, 06:07 PM
A general note on mixing
Pheros... -none products always have a "sharp" edge to their scent. From NPA (razor sharp) to A7 (dull but
cutting). TE and A1 have their biting edge too.
Pheros is so warm and comfortable, and is the opposite. Mixing
the two is such a good match. What they do to each other is great.
I've matched some favorite commercial scents
to different -mones, but Pheros seems to work great with any mix. I'll wear the commercial stuff if I'm in a
certain mood or occasion, but Pheros has become my favorite cover, and it works well both day and night.
Gorgar
10-29-2007, 02:56 PM
I got my first positive
non-solicited reaction from my wife today. I had to pick her up from work and drive her over to the doctor's office
this afternoon. Before I left I applied a liberal dose of Pheros. When I jumped in my Dodge I noticed a half used
packet of SOE in the ashtray from Friday. I added a very small amount to the back of my neck and the back of
each hand, maybe 3 drops total.
My wife hopped in and the first thing she said was "You smell good!" Funny thing
is that I've worn Pheros off and on for the past few weeks and she never said anything unless I asked if she liked
the scent.
Well, I'll call it a hit! :D
idesign
10-29-2007, 03:31 PM
Good job on two counts! I wear
SoE/Pheros at least 3x/week during the day. Its a world beater mix for happy/friendly. C7 is too chatty for
work.
I wear Pheros alone and get compliments, but not like mixed with a -mone product. I don't know what
effect is being had on what, but they do work together very well.
For the nose, maybe the sharpness of the -mone
excites the calm of the Pheros, or Pheros wraps the -mones into a welcoming blanket. Either way, the result is
good, and repeatable.
Otherwise, what the Dr. said above makes sense. A natural scent designed for "sexy
universal" could play subtly in a thousand different ways when mixed with a -mone.
Gorgar
11-01-2007, 02:16 AM
I have a question. Would it be
possible to add something to Pheros to keep it from separating? Would a drop of unscented dish washing detergent do
the trick or would it spoil the mix?:think:
idesign
11-01-2007, 08:28 PM
An emulsifier would blend the
two, but I remember reading that DrSmellThis decided against using it for some reason, probably adding an unnatural
element was undesirable.
He should weigh in on this, but personally I don't mind the settling. The few seconds
it takes to shake it up allows an anticipation of how good it will smell.
DrSmellThis
11-01-2007, 09:07 PM
I have a
question. Would it be possible to add something to Pheros to keep it from separating? Would a drop of unscented dish
washing detergent do the trick or would it spoil the mix?:think:I'm hesitant to make a recommendation,
since I decided against experimenting with it.
I just shake the bottle a couple times. It's ugly, but
non-commercial things sometimes are.
nbnbtc
11-30-2007, 08:42 PM
just got my Pheros. it seems
lighter than the old version i had, but still just as lovely. it is like wrapping myself up in a warm comfy
blanket.
Gorgar
12-01-2007, 01:15 AM
It's good stuff. What I like
most about it is you can't really put too much on like some colognes that I've tried. It doesn't give you that
cologne OD.
belmont
12-01-2007, 01:58 AM
is there newer version of pheros
coming out ? i love the current one though
idesign
12-01-2007, 06:05 PM
just got my
Pheros. it seems lighter than the old version i had, but still just as lovely. it is like wrapping myself up in a
warm comfy blanket.
I never experienced the older version, but agree with your take on the current
Pheros. Nothing but good remarks from others too.
HK45Mark23
12-01-2007, 11:42 PM
Pheros is by far the best scent I have even had the pleasure to wear. I only have a few ccs left in a very
small vial. I hope to acquire more soon. Thanks DrSmellThis for such a wonderful product.
As I said it in
my review of it originally, I can’t say it any better.
By Nathan Date Added: Tuesday October 05,
2004
I am very pleased
with the smell of Pheros. Pheros is truly an exotic scent. It is unusual to find a truly natural product. I would
wear this product for the rest of my life. I have never found cologne that I have felt like this about. I have not
found anything I liked and would consider a scent that I would want people to associate me to, until now. The
natural perfumery DrSmellThis practice supersedes the advertisement. It is a shame that this truly exotic product is
a collector’s edition in limited production. Once it is gone there is never going to be
more.
idesign
12-03-2007, 05:22 PM
The
natural perfumery DrSmellThis practice supersedes the advertisement. It is a shame that this truly exotic product is
a collector’s edition in limited production. Once it is gone there is never going to be
more.
Agree wholeheartedly HK. Fortunately for us the DR. held back some master
mix.
I just ordered another bottle of the regular and the concentrate, which I hope is still available.
DrSmellThis
12-04-2007, 11:41 AM
just got
my Pheros. it seems lighter than the old version i had, but still just as lovely. it is like wrapping myself up in a
warm comfy blanket.I'm happy that the perfume managed to achieve an identity --the warm, comfy, friendly,
feel-good thing. That makes it more useful for our purposes, and makes total sense, given the ingredients (e.g.,
valerian root, natural musks).
The perfume is in fact the exact same concentration as the older batch;
which is actually a notch stronger than the original batch (without Bruce or you having had to pay more). I just
went off the same mathematical formula for mixing everything.
It just mellows with age, and becomes less sharp
at first smell; even a little weaker on the top note. However, the bottom notes and longevity are improved over
previous batches, if anything, IMHO (it's taken me a while to have enough confidence to say this). So it's mellow
in character, but still smells good for a pretty long time.
I still really enjoy it, honestly, and wish I had
more, even for my own use. I have to use discipline to not wear a bunch of it all the time. It's just too pleasant
to have on your body, if you guys know what I mean. I smear it all over my face and neck, usually, and get an
immediate pleasant feeling. I'm really happy that this has been documented over time as a consistent effect across
people. It's cool to me that the "technology" is so different than for other products, i.e., natural.
Again,
these are just my real feelings; not some effort to market something that has already been bought out from the
manufacturer's perspective.
DrSmellThis
12-04-2007, 11:52 AM
Agree
wholeheartedly HK. Fortunately for us the DR. held back some master mix.
I just ordered another bottle of the
regular and the concentrate, which I hope is still available.Soon I am going to ask everyone again if they
want still more concentrate, as I'm bottling up another shipment here soon.
belmont
12-04-2007, 03:41 PM
Soon I
am going to ask everyone again if they want still more concentrate, as I'm bottling up another shipment here
soon.
yeah, i also want a bottle or 2 of the concentrate
idesign
12-04-2007, 05:41 PM
It
just mellows with age, and becomes less sharp at first smell; even a little weaker on the top note. However, the
bottom notes and longevity are improved over previous batches, if anything, IMHO (it's taken me a while to have
enough confidence to say this). So it's mellow in character, but still smells good for a pretty long time.
I
still really enjoy it, honestly, and wish I had more, even for my own use. I have to use discipline to not wear a
bunch of it all the time. It's just too pleasant to have on your body, if you guys know what I mean. I smear it all
over my face and neck, usually, and get an immediate pleasant feeling. I'm really happy that this has been
documented over time as a consistent effect across people. It's cool to me that the "technology" is so different
than for other products, i.e., natural.
Again, these are just my real feelings; not some effort to market
something that has already been bought out from the manufacturer's perspective.
Good to hear about the
aging aspects. I mostly dislike the top notes of half the fragrances I have, commercial or natural, Pheros not
included. I think Pheros has great longevity, and enough sillage to get noticed, but not overpower, as Gorgar said
above. On me it lasts longer than -mone smells and I often wake up in the morning with a very subtle and nice scent
of it in my nose. And Lord love a duck, once a woman gets her nose on you it stays.
It really truly is a
pleasant scent to have on. The mood uplift, the general feeling of well-being and the attractiveness of the scent
makes you want to wear it every day. But for the scarcity.
If any women out there have Pheros, or for you guys
who like to experiment on your great-smelling partners, take DST's tip and put a dab of Jasmine EO on your skin
before applying the Pheros. Its wonderful.
idesign
04-14-2008, 06:52 PM
I've been reading a lot, and
beginning to understand a little about what you call "analog pheromones". I think. I'm not a scientist, so I can
only write in lay terms.
People cannot help but to respond to scent, whether the response is "hardwired" or
"programmed/conditioned". From food to sex, not many of us realize its importance. As well, there is a huge
documented history of naturally occurring scents which have been used to powerful effect, from the calming lavender
to the raw dirty sex of civet or castoreum. Even plants have animalic/sex notes... indole in jasmine and musk in
ambrette, among many others, and have populated perfumes since before God published. Its my understanding that the
far drydown of King Tut's burial perfume lasted until just after his tomb was opened. How do they do that?
:)
The fact that many of these scents (molecules) are actual pheromones which attract the birds and bees to
flowers (and civet cats to civet cats) is an interesting side note to the fact that, in the right proportions,
mixtures of these scents have a powerful effect on humans on a very deep level. Before any of the constituent
chemicals of these scents were isolated (c1870), they were used by humans to effect and modify behavior, attraction
and sex probably being foremost among those (covering unwashed body odor should be considered as purposefully
attracting in them days :)).
On the other hand, if Napoleon wanted Antoinette unwashed (in all her excreting
glory), what does that say about us latter day stink mongers? It says that we are onto something that the
understanding of science has yet to fully explain, and that we are sophisticated to the point of wanting to smell
nice while doing it, even while we mix perfumes which have rutting stink among their ingredients. Deep urges meet
polite society and only a great perfume can achieve that height, offering a multitude of choices from high to low
enticement, or both.
Genetics certainly plays a role (hardwiring). From the natural human pheromones that are in
play when a baby breast feeds, to those playing mischief among uncomprehending adolescents. Its the hidden
molecule, by any name, that entices the young, and confounds the mature as they (we) try to reproduce what nature
serves as a light cockail before lunch.
I'm a moderate collector of vintage fragrances. What I smell from a
pre-70s classic perfume is heaven compared to the castrated (breast-reduced?) scents of today. Beyond composition,
just the ingredients were enough to make you mortgage the kids for just another night with its wearer, preferably
your wife, thus saving the kids. :)
Programming from birth is certain, and variable. There's not one of us who
doesn't have a memory tied strongly to scent, and our memory of scent is stronger than we probably realize.
Subliminal recognition I guess, but deeper and stronger than mere identification. Perfumers and scientists have
written far more on this than I can hope to approach with my limited understanding.
All that to say, Pheros
contains such ingredients that it achieves the purposes of attraction on both the "shallow" scent level (it smells
nice), and on the deeper level of "unknown" attraction (it subtly effects behavior on a deeper (subconcious)
level.
A pretty disjointed post Doc, does it make any sense vis a vis the subject?
I'll do a Mobley here, and
reserve the right to be wrong!
idesign
04-14-2008, 08:06 PM
After all that, here is my
current "review" of Pheros.
After wearing Pheros for a few months, I would describe it as very warm, mostly
linear, with a brightness at the top, with what I smell as lime, to kick it off. Its lack of classical construction
(top, middle, base) makes you keep smelling, and smelling, to figure it out. Forget figuring it out, its too
complex, and this is a good thing.
Most all-natural fragrances defy comprehension because they make no sense.
They are either flat (all meat, or more likely all salad) or jump from course to course without a unifying idea.
Pheros is a meal set before you, seamless and perfectly balanced, with the surprise of having the chef spring
unexpected surprises without notice.
The dash of citrus reappears unexpectedly even after an hour, much past the
time it should have disappeared, a real achievement, and keeps the fragrance from being too dully soft. The
multifaceted spice plays in and out of the woods, and you're curious as to what you'll smell next, like a good
movie keeping you on the edge of your seat.
The deeper facets come into play 2-3 hours after application. At
least as far as smell in concerned. This is where the sex lies. Its so sultry, and spawns fantasies both lived and
unlived. This is a good, good base and, one wonders how much of this is available to the noses of our mates from
the beginning in the way of analog pheromones. Doc, this is what made me think I understood what you meant by that
term.
DrSmellThis
04-14-2008, 10:27 PM
I've
been reading a lot, and beginning to understand a little about what you call "analog pheromones". I think. I'm not
a scientist, so I can only write in lay terms.
People cannot help but to respond to scent, whether the response
is "hardwired" or "programmed/conditioned". From food to sex, not many of us realize its importance. As well, there
is a huge documented history of naturally occurring scents which have been used to powerful effect, from the calming
lavender to the raw dirty sex of civet or castoreum. Even plants have animalic/sex notes... indole in jasmine and
musk in ambrette, among many others, and have populated perfumes since before God published. Its my understanding
that the far drydown of King Tut's burial perfume lasted until just after his tomb was opened. How do they do that?
:)
The fact that many of these scents (molecules) are actual pheromones which attract the birds and bees to
flowers (and civet cats to civet cats) is an interesting side note to the fact that, in the right proportions,
mixtures of these scents have a powerful effect on humans on a very deep level. Before any of the constituent
chemicals of these scents were isolated (c1870), they were used by humans to effect and modify behavior, attraction
and sex probably being foremost among those (covering unwashed body odor should be considered as purposefully
attracting in them days :)).
On the other hand, if Napoleon wanted Antoinette unwashed (in all her excreting
glory), what does that say about us latter day stink mongers? It says that we are onto something that the
understanding of science has yet to fully explain, and that we are sophisticated to the point of wanting to smell
nice while doing it, even while we mix perfumes which have rutting stink among their ingredients. Deep urges meet
polite society and only a great perfume can achieve that height, offering a multitude of choices from high to low
enticement, or both.
Genetics certainly plays a role (hardwiring). From the natural human pheromones that are in
play when a baby breast feeds, to those playing mischief among uncomprehending adolescents. Its the hidden molecule,
by any name, that entices the young, and confounds the mature as they (we) try to reproduce what nature serves as a
light cockail before lunch.
I'm a moderate collector of vintage fragrances. What I smell from a pre-70s classic
perfume is heaven compared to the castrated (breast-reduced?) scents of today. Beyond composition, just the
ingredients were enough to make you mortgage the kids for just another night with its wearer, preferably your wife,
thus saving the kids. :)
Programming from birth is certain, and variable. There's not one of us who doesn't
have a memory tied strongly to scent, and our memory of scent is stronger than we probably realize. Subliminal
recognition I guess, but deeper and stronger than mere identification. Perfumers and scientists have written far
more on this than I can hope to approach with my limited understanding.
All that to say, Pheros contains such
ingredients that it achieves the purposes of attraction on both the "shallow" scent level (it smells nice), and on
the deeper level of "unknown" attraction (it subtly effects behavior on a deeper (subconcious) level.
A pretty
disjointed post Doc, does it make any sense vis a vis the subject?
I'll do a Mobley here, and reserve the right
to be wrong!Excellent essay. You make me think all I have written on the subject here has meant something.
You are a capable student of scent.
Isn't funny how thinking about scent leads you to poetic insights about
humanness?
DrSmellThis
04-14-2008, 10:42 PM
After
all that, here is my current "review" of Pheros.
After wearing Pheros for a few months, I would describe it as
very warm, mostly linear, with a brightness at the top, with what I smell as lime, to kick it off. Its lack of
classical construction (top, middle, base) makes you keep smelling, and smelling, to figure it out. Forget figuring
it out, its too complex, and this is a good thing.
Most all-natural fragrances defy comprehension because they
make no sense. They are either flat (all meat, or more likely all salad) or jump from course to course without a
unifying idea. Pheros is a meal set before you, seamless and perfectly balanced, with the surprise of having the
chef spring unexpected surprises without notice.
The dash of citrus reappears unexpectedly even after an hour,
much past the time it should have disappeared, a real achievement, and keeps the fragrance from being too dully
soft. The multifaceted spice plays in and out of the woods, and you're curious as to what you'll smell next, like
a good movie keeping you on the edge of your seat.
The deeper facets come into play 2-3 hours after application.
At least as far as smell in concerned. This is where the sex lies. Its so sultry, and spawns fantasies both lived
and unlived. This is a good, good base and, one wonders how much of this is available to the noses of our mates from
the beginning in the way of analog pheromones. Doc, this is what made me think I understood what you meant by that
term.Thanks for sharing, Idesign. This type of review makes it all worthwhile.
IN A PURELY
NONHOMOSEXUAL WAY (not that I don't wish I were gay sometimes), it's sort of intimate to read it. :)
It's
like when you write a song and you are in your bedroom alone with it. You struggle to get some effect which creates
a mood and a feeling. You wonder if anyone else could feel that feeling which is thick in the room, but only for
you. There is no evidence they will feel it, but you keep trying to communicate it; to bring it out in your music.
Eventually someone hears it, and talks as if they we always and already there with you at the moment of "creation";
the coaxing of the elements.
I suppose it's similar when you are just alone and appreciating a work of art;
say, a song; and you discover someone else feels the same things you do about it.
Its nice to know that physical
distance is irrelevant for people to experience some of the same things on a relatively deep level.
We who
appreciate art of many kinds, and/or are artists, are truly fortunate in this way; and should feel grateful.
I
hope many others enjoy their experience with Pheros.
***
Incidentally, you are the first to notice and
appreciate the citrus note, as I recall over the few years. It's one of those things where you know you want an
animalistic entity and are nonetheless working to bring an element of freshness to bear on top. It was not easy, and
the effect ended up just blending into everything else rather than creating a distinct and independent top note.
Instead of poop, then, you have FRESH POOP. :D
But that's better, because the woody, musky, spicy, sweet,
ambery <pauses to catch breath> thing has quite enough facets to process as one entity. I'd describe the overall
effect as "homey" in a personal way.
that1guy
04-15-2008, 01:56 PM
This talk about pheros had
gotten me interested. I would like to get a bottle, but can't find it on love-scent. I vaguely remember something
about there being a limited supply. Am I out of luck?
idesign
04-15-2008, 02:51 PM
This talk
about pheros had gotten me interested. I would like to get a bottle, but can't find it on love-scent. I vaguely
remember something about there being a limited supply. Am I out of luck?
Hmmm, just looked at the the
store and you're right, no Pheros. Good thing I got some extra. :)
Doc mentioned not too long ago about the
possibility of another batch.
idesign
04-15-2008, 07:03 PM
Excellent essay. You make me think all I have written on the subject here has meant
something. You are a capable student of scent.
Isn't funny how thinking about scent leads you to poetic
insights about humanness?
Thanks Doc, that means a lot to me.
BUT, you didn't answer my question.
:trout: :lol:
Vis, is this a correct understanding of analog pheromones?
Yes, its amazing how scent
encompasses life and living.
There's not one of us who doesn't have a song or songs which will either bring
you to tears or make you want to take an exalted leap at the moon.
Scent can do this too, but is mostly
trivialized as a fashion accessory.
DrSmellThis
04-16-2008, 03:13 AM
I'm not entirely sure how you think about it.
But what I call "analog pheromones" are chemically similar
or identical to human pheromones, or can trigger a relevant response in humans; but are found elsewhere, such as
somewhere in nature. I am most often refering to plant pheromones, or what we could call "phytopheromones". But
you could also consider animal musks as containing analog pheromones. Sometimes I've even referred to
pheromone-similar chemicals or human emotional/behavioral "triggers" from perfume chemistry as analog pheromones.
So it just means a substance that is like a human pheromone without being the actual pheromones on the human
skin.
Analog pheromones have also been distinguished from chemically identical human pheromones that are
synthesized in the laboratory; such as are sold here. This is the an important distinction to keep in mind for
our purposes.
The "fuzzy" part is that I've considered chemically identical pheromones from plants as analog,
but not lab synthesized versions of these. So androsterone from cedar, sandalwood, or celery would be an analog
pheromone, but the same thing from a lab would not, in the way I've used the term.
I hope this clarifies it.
DrSmellThis
04-16-2008, 03:43 AM
This
talk about pheros had gotten me interested. I would like to get a bottle, but can't find it on love-scent. I
vaguely remember something about there being a limited supply. Am I out of luck?Yeah, I just received an
email from Bruce about this. Wow, you guys went through that shipment pretty fast.
I do have more, fortunately;
but I'm in the process of moving; and the whole lab is packed away in boxes.
I'll let you all know soon, when
I get the lab set up/cleaned, and can give a more accurate time frame.
Sorry for the gap in availability. But
thanks for your interest. We'll get it to you as soon as we can.
idesign
04-16-2008, 04:00 AM
I'm
not entirely sure how you think about it.
I hope this clarifies it.
My post ("essay") was a
scattershot, trying to figure it out.
Its perfectly clear now, thank you.
idesign
04-16-2008, 09:04 PM
Thanks
for sharing, Idesign. This type of review makes it all worthwhile.
IN A PURELY NONHOMOSEXUAL WAY (not that I
don't wish I were gay sometimes), it's sort of intimate to read it. :)
It's like when you write a song and
you are in your bedroom alone with it. You struggle to get some effect which creates a mood and a feeling. You
wonder if anyone else could feel that feeling which is thick in the room, but only for you. There is no evidence
they will feel it, but you keep trying to communicate it; to bring it out in your music. Eventually someone hears
it, and talks as if they we always and already there with you at the moment of "creation"; the coaxing of the
elements.
I suppose it's similar when you are just alone and appreciating a work of art; say, a song; and you
discover someone else feels the same things you do about it.
Its nice to know that physical distance is
irrelevant for people to experience some of the same things on a relatively deep level.
We who appreciate art of
many kinds, and/or are artists, are truly fortunate in this way; and should feel grateful.
I hope many others
enjoy their experience with Pheros.
***
Incidentally, you are the first to notice and appreciate the
citrus note, as I recall over the few years. It's one of those things where you know you want an animalistic entity
and are nonetheless working to bring an element of freshness to bear on top. It was not easy, and the effect ended
up just blending into everything else rather than creating a distinct and independent top note.
Instead of
poop, then, you have FRESH POOP. :D
But that's better, because the woody, musky, spicy, sweet, ambery <pauses
to catch breath> thing has quite enough facets to process as one entity. I'd describe the overall effect as "homey"
in a personal way.
My survey says... fresh poop is preferred overall over other brands of poop!
:thumbsup:
Sitting alone with a new creation that pleases you is satisfying, but is only fully born in the lives
of others. I think that's a tension within an artist's psyche yes?
If I design a house, a room or any space
for a client, I have the burden of knowing that they'll live in that room for years. I can use every technical and
creative skill at my disposal, but will not be satisfied with my work until the client is as pleased as I am with
the result.
Its not "art" per se, but when someone walks into that room and appreciates the accomplishment,
probably not knowing why they like it, then my work is successful. If its someone who knows and values such things,
life is better. :) The hours of thinking and drawing are alternatively frustrating and exhilarating.
Its
interesting how a common appreciation of creativity draws people closer. In terms of the relationship with my g/f,
we introduce each other to authors, movies, music, fragrances, etc, etc. With each new discovery there's a new
infusion of interest and growth, commonly and individually. No matter the medium, it gives us a way of relating
through the ideas and vision of others. Whether its dancing in the living room to Glenn Miller, smelling a new
perfume find we both love, or watching a movie we both hate, there is a path to intimacy.
Your appreciation of my
appreciation is a fine luxury for us both, and I'm glad we both have it.
"Homey" is an ok word, if you mean the
comfort of home. In this sense its great, giving deeper substance to attraction. OTOH, Pheros does give a great
sexy residual coating on your skin, letting her know that you're not Ozzie, and if she's Harriet she'd better let
her hair down and get a thong.
Guy101
04-19-2008, 01:56 AM
Since Phero is alcohol base, can
it be mixed with oil base perfume like Amber, & Musk? Or is it better to apply it & then cover it?
Since Phero is
alcohol base, can it be mixed with oil base perfume like Amber, & Musk? Or is it better to apply it & then cover
it?
Quite honestly, I am of the opinion that DTS Pheros is a fine stand-alone that needs no other
"cover." If anything it makes a top-notch primo "cover" for other pheromones (primarily the "unscented" ones).
If you feel you want to "play" with it by adding other scents/fragrances I'd opt to apply individually. IMO you
don't have to apply all your scents/products in exactly the same places. You don't need to put one exactly on top
of the other or the like. Dab a bit here, wipe a bit there. Spread the scents around.
Also don't get too
carried away. A subtle overall scent is probably far better than one that knocks everyone over the momentyou walk
into a room. People are more likely to flee than want to be near you. Watch out for what I call "scent clash."
Something that smells great individually may reek to high heaven together. I'd look for quiet "notes" rather than a
loud "symphony."
And lastly, just like pheromones, your cologne is only a very small part of how you will be
judged/perceived. There are more important things.
My opinions.
Guy101
04-21-2008, 01:47 AM
RBT, thank you for your advises,
I will keep them in mind.
DrSmellThis
04-21-2008, 01:53 AM
Quite
honestly, I am of the opinion that DTS Pheros is a fine stand-alone that needs no other "cover." If anything it
makes a top-notch primo "cover" for other pheromones (primarily the "unscented" ones).
If you feel you want to
"play" with it by adding other scents/fragrances I'd opt to apply individually. IMO you don't have to apply all
your scents/products in exactly the same places. You don't need to put one exactly on top of the other or the like.
Dab a bit here, wipe a bit there. Spread the scents around.
Also don't get too carried away. A subtle overall
scent is probably far better than one that knocks everyone over the momentyou walk into a room. People are more
likely to flee than want to be near you. Watch out for what I call "scent clash." Something that smells great
individually may reek to high heaven together. I'd look for quiet "notes" rather than a loud "symphony."
And
lastly, just like pheromones, your cologne is only a very small part of how you will be judged/perceived. There are
more important things.
My opinions.Good ideas. Wearing Pheros on your face and neck only is
one variant on your "different locations" idea that works for me.
Guy101
05-07-2008, 01:46 AM
While we were talking about
Phero, it seems that the stock is all gone.
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