semi newbie's experiences

[crashbandicoot]

Hi I'd like to introduce myself I
just turned 24 in august dark hair
dark eyes rugged face sometimes

look
mad but am not,
with long hair till
ear lobes. medium complexion like a greek
or mediteranian

wheatish guy or Irani guy
obviously.
5'4 170 lbs average shape from Iran
originally but I grew up in

MAryland Usa.
My mones :
chikara( really good with target crowd )

apc ( only mone product that works

for me without
od)

te (two dabs work just like 7 dabs apc)

npa( always od even with one dab but old

women
love it and guys act like sillly lil girls with me and alpha
males supposedly treat me like one of

them)

wagg( people treat me like a sweet old lady,
guys wanna hang out with me, more than 4 drops
and

people act like they are smarter than me
and really condescending and smart alleky with me)

perception gel

packs: tried 1/4 pack once too much none I guess. works though just dont know right dose.
(dihl from older women

and men)
(target sexy audience 18to25 get edgy and avoidance)

best mix to date( 2 dabs te + 1 spray

chikara gold cap+ 12 inches soe
I make a goatee with the soe unscented roll on)
all covered with versace blue

jeans or chrome
really doesnt matter which cologne.as long as its not too overwhelming.
with this mix I have

been getting smiley women talking alot alot alot with attraction, and they initiate playful kino like jokingly punch

my elbow and touching my hands) very very consistent. with All ages 18 to 50 I love it.
no dihls which is good

right?

Apc: just with 5 dabs women notice me and get dihls also.

Sexiest mix to date: two dabs te, 3

drops ae has got to be the
most sexual mix for me but for ages 30 and up :( not my target audience also I .

Blatantly touching my head and grabbing my arm and telling me I'm handsome but remember all older ladies. I think

If I fine tuned it it should work for the target audience 18to 25 youger girls. Very strange but when I wore this at

a gym I was hoping for this cute younger 25 yr old girl to react somehow automatically, after a while dissapointed

I went to the water cooler and when I turned around
there she was, looking all nervous and no eye contact at

all.
maybe she just wanted water I don't know but as I was wishing for her to come to me, she was standing

behing me
very strange.
Have never followed up properly with any hit I ever got. Wanted to find
a good

mix first and also work on my game which is very limited.
I'm sorry for my writing style I know it sucks. I will

write better

negative experience: 2 sprays chikara 2 drops ae.
Guys are friendly and chatty, women are

rude and mean.
I have always noticed that whenever I have high none on I get attention from men and avoidance

from women.
1 or 2 sprays te gets me respect from all kinds of men
even if I bump into a scary mean looking

man he apologizes
affectionately
and gives me way.
I have noticed that women do get attracted but I have

no game so they are left unopened and untouched)
with high none stuff like ae or te or even npa sometimes even

high dose of apc. but with Apc I still get eye contact.

Chikara: by itself 2 sprays makes me super confident


and funny but needs a none kick maybe.


My conclusion so far: mones can do half the work
but I need

game, or else nothings gonna happen.
With game and mones there is no way you can lose at anything whether its

dealing with women or purchasing a house or a car or at a meeting.

Any advice is appreciated for a new guy,

also
if anyone knows whether learning the mystery method is a good idea and where can I find it. I love the pick

up artist on mtv and can relate to the guys on it. I want to be able to talk to women without blanking out. So I

guess it would be a good idea to learn it, I have no problem approaching and saying hi
but don't know how to

carry on and close. Great meeting you all. Forgive me for my writing style. have a happy day.
Oh P.S whenever I

take tribulus even 2 dabs te is od
and when I take dhea i cannot wear extra rone products makes mad. too Rone

really makes me arrogant :( but I
could be wroug mabye its the none. But none usually makes
me super

confident. Thanx bye. remember 24 male, irani, ok looking muscular guy with probably high none and no nol at

all,
was really antisocial before SOE.
Good evening. :angel: :wave: :angel: :lovestruc :type:




[I]

[crashbandicoot]

anyone know of a cheap

product
that can get rid of od quickly.
Sometimes showering hard still leaves
a bit residue of mones

,
I have a problem with soe none conversion.
Will applying on clothes have the same
effect with soe ? I

usually put it
on my face, seems to work the best, a bit
itchy though but its ok sacrifice for good

hits.
Happy girls every time.

Wagg is real tough to use. I guess i'm
not clint eastwood then thank

goodness.
Also would anyone recommend beta nol
I heard chikara might have beta nol as a secret.
How about

beta nol and soe combo. That's maybe
why soe and chikara is really cool for me, but never
without extra

none.:rasp: :trout: :type:

[belgareth]

The antibacterial liquid soaps

seem to do a pretty good job of reducing the -none conversion issues and of washing of mones.

[crashbandicoot]

:wave: cooool
one

more question pls
should I add a1 to
my current mix of chikara te soe.
Once I wore a1 to work
and guys

commented on how some girl and
I are falling in love cuz we had the same
zodiac sign or something. Felt like

a deep
subconcious connection pheromone.

[tenaciousBLADE]

Ok, I got a lot to say here.
First of all, you seem to be putting too much `mones on. Especially `none.
You're

at an age when your body produces lots of natural `none as it is; You don't need much `none as an addition to what

you already got. And what you wrote is consistant with that. You personally seem to have even more `none than

usual.

I advise you to read The

Minimalist Manifesto (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2260&highlight=manifesto)



7 dabs of `mone-products with `none is usually a lot. Still, the reason APC

works so good for you at that amount, is that APC's got really little `none.
I know. I've been in that situation

myself :)

Now, if you use TE and not too much of it, you'll probably get better results :angel:

It

probably is the `none that gets you arrogant and mad. You see, the `none at small amounts may make you

feel better, stronger, and more self-confident, but at large amounts you get OD, and then you get arrogant and mad.

I'm just assuming - but I think that is the case with you :think:

Your "best mix to date" (2 dabs te + 1 spray

chikara gold cap+ 12 inches soe) seems to be a great mix, and I think it has great cuantities for you. It has only 2

dabs of TE, which is great... it's not too much nor too little. It has SOE which is `nol and at your age, `nol is

what you need most (remember that). I would even add a bit of SOE once or twice to try it out and see if it gets

better or worse. And I myself can do without the chikara but it's also a good product for younger guys like you and

me (I'm 23 years young).
So if I were you, I'll try using that mix for a while and see how it goes. And DO

follow up on your hits! That's the only real way to improve your game ;):POKE:







wagg( people treat me like a sweet old lady,
guys wanna hang out with me, more

than 4 drops
and people act like they are smarter than me
and really condescending and smart alleky with

me)

Great! This shows us that you know which amounts of WAGG are good for you and which are too

much :thumbsup:
WAGG is a product produced to counterattack the OD with `none. You

asked:


anyone know of a cheap product
that can get rid of od

quickly.

Well, there are three answers for that:

1) You can prevent the OD by using less `none

and\or by adding some WAGG to the mix. Try to remember what you've experienced with WAGG to decide how much to add

to the mix ;)

2) You can use a sanitizer. Click this link (http://www.pfizerch.com/brand.aspx?id=310)

to see an example of a hand sanitizer I use myself. You can find many others in the US I think.. The

only reason i use this one is `coz it's the only one I can get in my country :trout:
You distribute it on the

skin, smear it a little, and let it dry for like 3 minutes. That's all you need to do. It usually clears the

OD for me (but with every person it might be a bit different). I do it before I shower sometimes... it get's better

results. But if you use it before the shower, wait 5 minutes between the application of the sanitizer and getting

into the shower; that way it'll dry off and get even better results :D

3) Apparently, there are many users on

the LS forums that find hot water to work just fine for them. Feel free to try that method. If it works for you,

then you got the cheapest method right there I'd say :D

I myself like the second answer best, but it's

only a matter of opinion and what works best for me:type:






No dihls which is good right?

It's perfectly ok if you don't get

DIHLs. However, a DIHL is usually a great thing! :whip:
Think about it...
You're dancing at a party right?

and most of the chicks around are smoking-hot. So you look around, some chicks are ignoring you, some chicks are

looking at you but only for a glance and then they look away, some chicks smile at you and then look away... But

when you look carefully, you suddenly notice this one hot babe who's staring at you with a DIHL. She's looking at

you, like she's a dear in the middle of the road and you're the car that's about to run her over - she's looking

at you with those big round innocent eyes that say "I can't stop staring at you... I don't know why but for some

reason you're attracting my eyes so strongly that I can't look away!"
Get my drift?
A DIHL means you got her

attension in a sub-consious level. She might not even notice she's gazing at you with those big round sweet eyes of

hers - but she is, and she can't stop :thumbsup::cool:

At that point you decide to wink at her with a

bit of a cocky smile that says "I'm a nice guy - but I just cought you staring at me... you're busted, and I think

you're cute"
You think you can make that kind of wink? :D
`coz if you can - the next thing that'll happen is

that chick is gonna be embaressed... and if you approach her in a nice way... she'll also get a bit horny for you.

And from there you can take it anywhere you want to... which means you can try things out and improve your game.



In other words: A DIHL can usually be used as an opening for a play ;)

A DIHL can also be a bad

thing, but it's usually a great thing :angel:




Sexiest mix to date: two dabs

te, 3 drops ae

I suggest - try using it only when you go to clubs. Lot's of people crowded in one place

and many chicks there come horny to begin with hehe:drunk:



Very strange but when

I wore this at a gym I was hoping for this cute younger 25 yr old girl to react somehow automatically, after a while

dissapointed I went to the water cooler and when I turned around
there she was, looking all nervous and no eye

contact at all.

You know what? I'm not sure if this was a hit and she wanted you but was ashamed (or too

busy) to throw an opening line at you; Or if maybe this happened because you ODed, and she didn't want contact.

I'm not sure... it could be either one.
Inconclusive results do come once in a while. It's nothing to get excited

about :)... just remember to feel free and have fun with it :D



negative

experience: 2 sprays chikara 2 drops ae.
Guys are friendly and chatty, women are rude and mean.
It might

just have been a one time thing. Yet it also might be, that women just got confused by the amount of `mones you

added on you, or that you had lots of meat to eat that day or had lots of sport that day (that raises the levels of

testosterne and by doing so also raises your natural `none production... if that happened, you might have ODed...

though it's not too likely that that's what happened).



I have always noticed

that whenever I have high none on I get attention from men and avoidance from women.

Very good:thumbsup:


It's good to notice those things. And indeed it's like that for our age range. And you know what... Men still

give respect at a later age. The only thing that changes is that women also start giving respect to `none. They even

start getting attracted to it at about the age of 25+ (it's a bit different for each woman of course).






Chikara: by itself 2 sprays makes me super confident
and funny but needs a none

kick maybe.Try adding 1 dab of TE. You might have just found you second best mix :D






Will applying on clothes have the same
effect with soe ? I usually put it
on my

face, seems to work the best, a bit
itchy though but its ok sacrifice for good hits.
Happy girls every

time.

Applying on clothes (with any `mone-product) will work about the same (try applying a bit

less than usual if you apply `none on clothes).
The thing is, it satys on the clothes longer and sometimes fades

into the air slower. Also, try applying on spots where you can't see, `coz some products stain the clothes.

I

suggest you just try changing the application spots.
Try applying in different spots and not just one area of your

body. That way, girls look at your whole body and not just the face ;)
Try applying the `none on the neck,

jaw-line, chest, shoulders, on the front of your pants, or such areas which are considered masculine.
And the `nol

on the neck, wrists, upper chest, or such areas. The wrists is good `coz you can wave it around between you and the

girl (don't wave like a chicken :lol:) and spread the `nol into the air to allow a more chatty enviourment.
The

neck is a GREAT spot to put both `mones and even others like `rone. Why? Because it's mysterious and it makes the

girl want to get closer to you and smell you some more... in a more intimate way. My g\f always says she likes to

smell my neck`coz I got such a wonderfull mixture of flavors there :D



About A1 -
I love A1. But I advise

you not to use it yet. It's somewhat more complicated and you should wait untill you're more experienced with

`mones. It's not a `mone-products, like SOE, TE etc., it's just the `mone itself in an alcohol-based

dilution.
I myself waited about a year before I allowd myself to buy A1, even though I wanted to try it the whole

time. And I'm glad I did.
Besides, A1 is a `mone to use when you're in a relationship more than to attract

women\girls.



Now one more thing. I get your enthusiasm to try out many products, but you should focus on

getting to know each product by itself, then focus on getting to know one specific mix (2 or 3 products is usually

enough for a great mix). You'll get to know all your products eventually.
I myself knew APC before I found

LoveScent. When I found LS I bought 8 different products. I now own 10 different products not including SPMO. And

yet after I bought those 8 first products, I found it best to take my time and get to know the products; have

patience. Try one mix for like a month or so... see how it works in different situations... on different days

:angel:


Well... That's about what I got to say. I hope I was usefull :p. :welcome: and good luck.
Oh and

another tip: Read read read:POKE:
It'll be good for you to read and then go and check out the things you read, in

the action-world ;)


P.S.
Here are two more things that you might find valuable:
- A link to

The Cookbook (http://www.pherolibrary.com/pheromone-guide/cookbook/cookbook.htm) (where you learn how to

mix).
- A quote of one of my other posts:

You should be aware that when people here

say they mix `mones, they may mean one of two things:

1) Some people mix just as you said you do - in an

atomizer or a similar bottle-type-thing.

2) Some people (I myself usually choose this way), mix `mone products

by distributing a certain amount of one product on specific parts of their body, then smearing it around, rubbing it

in, or using any other methd to distribut the product in as even a way as possible through the selected part of

their body (wrists, neck, jaw, jaw-line, hip-sides, etc. etc.), and then putting a different `mone-product on a

different (or sometimes over the same) parts of their body... and then covering it all up with their favorite

cologne.

Those are the two methods of mixing I know :)

[crashbandicoot]

Thank you, I have ruined

so many
chances with high dosed of te or npa.
Been feeling really depressed also becauseof that for many

months.
I just got back from the gym wearing 3 dabs npa without dropper
on front of shirt sprayed with issey

miyake.
with 12 inches soe on face and neck.
Same like always intimidation and avoidance.
Dihl from one

terrible looking older woman.
( I'm really sorry to put it like that ) may she have
a happy life.
Made me

feel like lurch from Adams family and my
only match was an ogre lady. Also forgot to mention
when at the mall

today women were keeping their kids close
to them and away from me, looking at me and grabbing them
like I was

some bad wolf. I've learnt my lesson for none
thanx Tenacious and Belgareth.
P.S I probably need to

emulate
scott baio's mone signature he seems to really do some damage and probably has no none. ( compared to

ofcourse Vin diesel or someone) or even that Idiot hugh grant lol.
They sure seem like nice wussys though(no

disrespect), I guess it's true then that nice guys score the best.
Hmm I wonder whats a "cute fun guy mone" ,

perhaps soe, or chikara seperately. I will try to search for that kind of mone.

[crashbandicoot]

will keep posting on

chikara usage
soe and wagg all seperately or combined
since these seem like the mones I should experiment

with
at this age. I work at a bodybuilding and health
food store
with lots of health concious babes, and

also
go to community college so lots of testing opportunity
I'm also gonna use a few openers and play

alot.
Good night everyone.:wave:

[tenaciousBLADE]

Oh my! 3 dabs of NPA??:blink::blink:
Mate - that's probably an OD :trout:



I'm 23 years young and I use 1 dab of NPA tops. Maybe at some rare occasions do I try 1 dab on my body + half a

dab on the front on my pants to get attension there; and that's only at clubs where there are big crowds of people

and all their natural-`mones are mixing in the air, so mine are tough to find ;)

Use TE mate. It's the

same formula as NPA, only 5 times more diluted (I mean less consentrated.. umm...:angel: ).

And seriously

dude, read The Minimalist

Manifesto (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2260&highlight=manifesto). I know it's long but it'll save you tons of troube and ODing :D




will keep posting on chikara usage
soe and wagg all seperately or combined
since

these seem like the mones I should experiment with
at this age.
Yeah.. you got that right :thumbsup:
SE

has `nol, which is uch better for younger guys like us. And Chikara has 7 `mones in it, but it's soft and heavier

on the `nol that the other ones if I recall correctly :think:
You can also add TE to the SOE if you want. At your

age (and my age) TE is great.
Here, let me link you my favorite mix. I use it almost daily and it has TE & SOE in

it. Read the green text in

this post (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17998)


I

work at a bodybuilding and health
food store
with lots of health concious babes, and also
go to community

college so lots of testing opportunity
I'm also gonna use a few openers and play alot.
Nice! You have a

great opportunity and a wonderful play-ground. Have fun with it - experience :D
And go easy on the `none mate.

Start from less, and go up slowly untill you get it right. If you OD again, just lower the `none dosage. There's no

nead to avoid it all together :)... just lower the dosage untill you find the right amounts that fit you.



P.S.
Again, I strongly recommend also reading

The Cookbook (http://www.pherolibrary.com/pheromone-guide/cookbook/cookbook.htm).

[peetteNex]

+1. (http://ijemot.com/article/article.php?id=21) this is very interesting