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CAtriathlete
08-05-2007, 06:48 AM
Has anybody seen any research on how fast A1 breaks down into -NONE? And what the variables are?
I'm wondering
if I use a very high dose of A1 the possibility of getting a -NONE OD later in the day.
-CAt
Gegogi
08-05-2007, 11:12 AM
I've not heard of such a thing
nor experienced it (I use A-1 regularly), but don't know if A-1 degrades to androstenone or not. However,
androstenol is known to transform to androstenone. Breakdown is directly related to your skin chemistry and fauna
(plus ambient temp and humidity). That is, if you sweat a lot and have plenty of funky bacteria, it breaks down
faster. If you're dry 'n clean it takes a long time. High temps and humidity obviously accelerate the
process.
The best way to slow or almost stop breakdown is to apply to outer clothing. The worst places to apply
are your pits and groin.
stuttgart-man
08-05-2007, 03:46 PM
Has anybody seen any research on how fast A1 breaks down into -NONE? And what the
variables are?
I'm wondering if I use a very high dose of A1 the possibility of getting a -NONE OD later in the
day.
-CAt
A1 converts to Nol, and Nol to None! But as there are two steps, I think the rate is
relatively small!
idesign
08-05-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm experiencing some of this
in the hot, humid Southeast, with A1 and SoE both.
In my work I have to be outside a lot, visiting job sites and
working with everyone involved. The heat and humidity causes everything to break down very fast, especially the
cover scents, leaving only the stale remnant of the mones, which persists, and does not smell all that good after an
hour or two of such sweaty conditions.
Not very scientific, but I've noticed some looks, and I'm at the point
where I won't wear any mones at all if I know I'll be outside much.
Lately its mid to high 90s here with
humidity over 90%. Nothing can stand up to that, and the natural sweat can only make it worse (as Gegogi
alluded to). Can't wait for Sept. when the temp settles down.
Also, in my experience, A1 has a very persistent
scent, more so than the covers. I've begun to use it more sparingly, even in the evening, and I still get some
good effects from the people around me who get close enough.
I've also started using DST's technique of
spreading it around the body more. It seems easier to cover and is less concentrated at any given place. I like
the results, both within the general population and in more intimate settings.
Hope this helps,
Greg
belgareth
08-05-2007, 05:11 PM
Lately
its mid to high 90s here with humidity over 90%. Nothing can stand up to that, and the natural sweat can only make
it worse (as Gegogi alluded to). Can't wait for Sept. when the temp settles down.
Your climate is even
more unpleasant than here. It's been hot and humid here but yours is even worse than N. Texas. I mostly avoid being
outside in the afternoons here. Early morning and evenings are nice times to be out though.
idesign
08-05-2007, 07:57 PM
Your
climate is even more unpleasant than here. It's been hot and humid here but yours is even worse than N. Texas. I
mostly avoid being outside in the afternoons here. Early morning and evenings are nice times to be out
though.
The SE is known for its hot and humid summers, but we're going through a particularly hot spell
now. The mornings are nice, around 75 if you're up early enough, but the humidity is always there. Fortunately
its only for a few weeks. Unfortunately I still have a job to do no matter what the weather is outside.
Not
complaining, I just hate not being able to do mone research because of the conditions. I still have evening
opportunities though... :D
belgareth
08-05-2007, 08:04 PM
Same here. We've been in the
lower 90s with 50-100% or so humidity(lots of rain this summer). I get out and walk or blade in the early AM
when it's nice. The I arrange my schedule so I am indoors during the worst part of the day whenever possible. Like
you say, it's only a few weeks. In the meantime, I stay with very low doses of mones. There's nothing like walking
into a client's office and the staff all leaves.
I was in Europe on vacation recently and the weather was
fantastic. Low to mid 80s and moderate humidity. Unfortunately, I didn't take any mones with me, not wanting the
hassles of dealing with official-dumb.
DrSmellThis
08-06-2007, 06:31 PM
Research suggests conversions
are two way between A1 and -none, mostly favoring A1 to -none, but also going backwards, from -none to A1.
So
you lose some A1 to -none through conversions, but not all of it.
Also A1, as the most plentiful
testosterone-related pheromone on the male skin, is the parent substance to other pheromones as well.
That is
why, if you can handle it withought depression or anxiety, wearing A1 can be quite useful in more ways than one;
for getting a balanced, complete, and natural enhanced pheromone signature.
idesign
08-06-2007, 06:48 PM
Research suggests conversions are two way between A1 and -none, mostly favoring A1 to
-none, but also going backwards, from -none to A1.
So you lose some A1 to -none through conversions, but not all
of it.
Also A1, as the most plentiful testosterone-related pheromone on the male skin, is the parent substance
to other pheromones as well.
That is why, if you can handle it withought depression or anxiety, wearing A1 can
be quite useful in more ways than one; for getting a balanced, complete, and natural enhanced pheromone
signature.
If I understand, you're saying that A1 converts to -none and then back to A1, or the
conversion is buffered by a reverse effect?
As I'm still on a learning curve, I'm trying to learn the
difference between the effects of the mones, some of which are quite obvious, and the effects of scent, not so
obvious sometimes.
An OD reaction could present the same as a stink reaction.
Curious Dr, how much A1 do you
use in a dose?
DrSmellThis
08-11-2007, 04:18 AM
If I
understand, you're saying that A1 converts to -none and then back to A1, or the conversion is buffered by a reverse
effect?
As I'm still on a learning curve, I'm trying to learn the difference between the effects of the mones,
some of which are quite obvious, and the effects of scent, not so obvious sometimes.
An OD reaction could
present the same as a stink reaction.
Curious Dr, how much A1 do you use in a dose?
* I read it as two
different processes pushing the conversions in opposite directions.
* General olfaction is of paramount
importance in chemical attraction.
But a little phero stank is very attractive to the human nose.
*My sense
is that you will reach your ideal dosage befoe stink becomes a problem, so if you notice stink, you're using too
much anyway. Here I'm talking about stink as used on your body, not out of the bottle stink.
* I've used two
drops chem set A1 and under at 1mg/ml, most of that a half drop at a time, to minimixe "side effects"; or a drop
when ignoring side effects. It's wonderful stuff, one of the major pheromones.
CAtriathlete
08-11-2007, 08:47 AM
I'm glad there's a lot of
discussion about A1 these days. I think it's da bomb.
Last night I used two full drops of A1 1mg/ml rubbed into
my forearms, plus 8 inches of SOE acorss the chest and a dab of A7 behind each ear. The A1 was actually a bit too
strong, so after an hour I washed off the top layer. I was left with a nice gentle pheromone musk.
I went
dancing and had women sniffing me and stroking me all night.
-CAt
idesign
08-11-2007, 04:38 PM
* I
read it as two different processes pushing the conversions in opposite directions.
* General olfaction is of
paramount importance in chemical attraction.
But a little phero stank is very attractive to the human nose.
*My sense is that you will reach your ideal dosage befoe stink becomes a problem, so if you notice stink, you're
using too much anyway. Here I'm talking about stink as used on your body, not out of the bottle stink.
*
I've used two drops chem set A1 and under at 1mg/ml, most of that a half drop at a time, to minimixe "side
effects"; or a drop when ignoring side effects. It's wonderful stuff, one of the major
pheromones.
Thanks for the insight Doc. Blending mones with fragrance is interesting in the "general
olfaction" dept. I personally like the scent of A1, TE and SoE after it settles on the skin for a while. I did OD
(stink-wise) once with A1 (3 full drops) on a hot day, and it was as unpleasant for me as I'm sure it was for the
close public. (Can stink and wise be used in the same sentence)?
The scent of the mones always seems to last
longer than the cover, but its pleasant because I like the musky mone with the faint lingering of the cover. My
biggest concern was that the women wouldn't find it as attractive. In my short experience, the results are good
at both ends of the date.
My current favorite mix for general daytime is a few inches of SoE, a single drop of
A1 spread around, and 2-3 drops of Sandalwood EO spread around more. They blend and evolve very well together. I
like Sandal better than Oud for daytime.
I used a single drop of Oud in the mix instead of Sandal one evening
with a few dabs on the neck from an Edge Wipe and as I approached the bar, pulled out a stool and settled in next to
a woman, she nearly gave herself whiplash looking around. We made eye contact and she smiled broad and generous.
However, she quickly recovered and turned back to face her BF/Hubby. Was it the frag or the mones? Both? Later on
she kept brushing against me in small ways and at one point shoved her behind against my leg and was in no hurry to
remove it. That was the mones. Against my better judgment I was very well behaved.
idesign
08-11-2007, 04:57 PM
I'm
glad there's a lot of discussion about A1 these days. I think it's da bomb.
Last night I used two full drops
of A1 1mg/ml rubbed into my forearms, plus 8 inches of SOE acorss the chest and a dab of A7 behind each ear. The A1
was actually a bit too strong, so after an hour I washed off the top layer. I was left with a nice gentle pheromone
musk.
I went dancing and had women sniffing me and stroking me all night.
-CAt
Two drops seems to
be too strong for me too CAt. One drop, and spread around works best. I like the gentle mone musk too (see above
post). I've not tried A7, but am thinking about buying some from the Used Mone Lot. How do you compare it with
SoE in your mix?
Greg
TriAthlete eh? I admire the dedication and hard work it must take. As for me, the
only Trifecta I ever hit is smoking, drinking and sex all in the same night. On a perfect day you could throw out
smoking or drinking and add afterglow.
CAtriathlete
08-12-2007, 06:55 PM
Two
drops seems to be too strong for me too CAt. One drop, and spread around works best. I like the gentle mone musk too
(see above post). I've not tried A7, but am thinking about buying some from the Used Mone Lot. How do you compare
it with SoE in your mix?
Greg
TriAthlete eh? I admire the dedication and hard work it must take. As for me,
the only Trifecta I ever hit is smoking, drinking and sex all in the same night. On a perfect day you could throw
out smoking or drinking and add afterglow.
Hey Greg,
Bruce advised me to try A7 as pretty much the
freshest, strongest source of -none in the whole product lineup. I originally tried PI as my source of -none, but
found it to be weak. A7 has a very strong musk smell, but fortunately not much like cat piss to me. A7 mixes well
with SOE and A1 to create a well-rounded profile.
Triathlete is an old moniker for me. I've been plagued with
injuries the past few years, and have had to keep the training to a minimum. I still swim and speedskate regularly,
but the running and biking have been sidelined for now.
-CAt
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