Sex and Mones

[CAtriathlete]

I have beem

experimenting with mones for about 6 months. I am working with combinations of A7, SOE, and A1.

I have yet to

find the right formula for reliable hits. I seem to OD pretty easily and need to be careful--even at 44 years I

still have a lot of natural mones. When I'm out dancing wiht my mones on I can't keep the ladies off me early in

the evening, but once I start to get hot and sweaty nobody will come within 10 feet of me. The attraction-OD

threshold is an amazingly fine line.

The big surprise for me is what happens during foreplay or in bed. Once a

woman has decided she wants to be close to me, and spends more than a couple of minutes in VERY close whiff

proximity, she becomes crazy with passion. I have had a few women actually tell me this too-- that something about

me makes them crazy with passion like they've never felt before. And during sex I have caught them deeply sniffing

the spots where I applied mones!!! Women's age seems to have nothing to do with it, as I've been a wide age range

(27- 42).

It seems at this point that mones work better for me as aphrodisiacs than attractants. What are your

experiences with this?

Please chime in gents... especially those with girlfriends-- have you noticed that your

girlfriend is more passionate when you wear mones?

-CAt

[qman]

My girlfriend is 18. When we get

close, making out, etc. she really loves to smell my neck over and over where I sprayed Chikira uncented. She

continues to smell me like a dog. I do have SoE uncented rolled on across my jawline as well. She tends to get

frisky with Chikira + SoE more so than SoE + NPA. I use Gravity cologne to overlap my mones. It does pretty well.

I'm thinking of buying Green Irish Tweed soon when my Gravity runs out.

From reviewing effects of these mones,

Chikira tends to work better for the younger crowd(18-25ish) and NPA for older. Although, I've had good results

with NPA+SoE working on younger gals. Everyone you encounter reacts differently to mones. It seems there's a

tendancy for Chikira working best on younger and NPA working best on older.

[CAtriathlete]

Interesting, Gman! I assume

like me that your girlfriend doesn't know that you are wearing mones... and she may not even be aware that she is

sniffing you so much.

How about it gents: How do the women react when they get intimately close to you? How does

it vary depending upon which mones you are wearing?

-CAt

[CptKipling]

Pheromones always seem to have

a larger impact in more intimate situations. Loosened inhibitions, closer contact...I'm not sure really what causes

it. I can't 100% attribute this to pheromones (I think she had commented on my cologne, though), but recently I

had one girl who wasn't extremely experienced (and we were both a little drunk) go so crazy that I woke up with

painful chafe marks on my thighs!

But I have seen similiar patterns when things get a little hot in clubs - neck

sniffing, "you smell reeeally good", etc.

[MOBLEYC57]

I

have beem experimenting with mones for about 6 months. I am working with combinations of A7, SOE, and A1.



Do share your dosages and application points, CA.

I think mones does that to both sides ... getting a bit more

animalistic while body dancing. That combo probably continued to have served you well, had you not danced at all.

'Mones! Get out there in full force!' is probably what the heat did for you.

[maxo-texas]

Yes my experience matches

yours w/regard to girlfriend.

NPA + SOE pretty much drives her up the wall crazy with lust and a feeling of

safety and security. It has since the start.

I'm 47- she's 50.

[CAtriathlete]

Here are my typical dosages

and application points:

-two drops of A1 rubbed between my forearms
-half a drop of A7 behind each ear
-4" of

SOE across the front of my lower neck

I also use a touch of ylang-ylang essential oil behind each ear to act as

a cover. (I really can't stand cologne)

How does this combo sound? Any suggestions?

-CAt

[MOBLEYC57]

Here

are my typical dosages and application points:

-two drops of A1 rubbed between my forearms
-half a drop of A7

behind each ear
-4" of SOE across the front of my lower neck

I also use a touch of ylang-ylang essential oil

behind each ear to act as a cover. (I really can't stand cologne)

How does this combo sound? Any suggestions?



-CAt

Is that ONE drop of A7 split behind both ears, or a half of a drop split behind both ears?

If

that combo does what you've stated in your first post, it's fine; and you can try adding another drop of A1 to the

back of your neck (testing idea).

Happy hunting! :drunk:

[CAtriathlete]

That's one drop of A7

split between the ears (half a drop per ear).

I'm looking at the typical dosage I posted, and it seems quite

low compared to what most others use. The problem is I seem to OD easily if I use more than a drop of A7. And I

can't stand the way I smell if I use more than 6" of SOE.

I think I need to experiment some more.

-CAt

[MOBLEYC57]

Yes my

experience matches yours w/regard to girlfriend.

NPA + SOE pretty much drives her up the wall crazy with lust

and a feeling of safety and security. It has since the start.

I'm 47- she's 50.

How, how much, and

where do you apply those two, MTex?

Thanks! :wave:

[MOBLEYC57]

That's one drop of A7 split between the ears (half a drop per ear).

I'm looking at

the typical dosage I posted, and it seems quite low compared to what most others use. The problem is I seem to OD

easily if I use more than a drop of A7. And I can't stand the way I smell if I use more than 6" of SOE.

I think

I need to experiment some more.

-CAt

Sorry about the extra post ... it came to me later.

You can

also go with the UNscented SOE when you get another scent that you like, 'cause, to me, 4" of SOE won't master A7,

or A1 if there's any truth to what it does over time. Supposingly, A1 -none's out after a while ... that plus the

A7 could also have been your problem after you started dancing. :blink:

Just a thought. :run:

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks Mobley,

The

thing is that I use so little A7 to begin with, that I don't know why I would need to worry about A1 breakdown

products or using enough SOE to keep the -none in check.

Everyone please check these calculations:

6" SOE =

~11 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1 drop A7 = ~3.5 mcg mones (mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 10mcg mones (all A1)

Total

weight = 25 mcg mones, of which only ~ 3 mcg is -none

The first observation is that the -none component is very

low, so I really need to look carefully at if I'm really OD'ing or just imagining it. Or is it possible that other

components are contributing to OD?

Secondly, I tend to use a lot of A1 proportionately. I like the mellowing

effect it has when I get intimate, but maybe I'm not serving my interest in getting more significant public hits.



Comments?

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

Thanks Mobley,

The thing is that I use so little A7 to begin with, that I don't

know why I would need to worry about A1 breakdown products or using enough SOE to keep the -none in check.



Everyone please check these calculations:

6" SOE = ~11 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1 drop A7 = ~3.5 mcg mones

(mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 10mcg mones (all A1)

Total weight = 25 mcg mones, of which only ~ 3 mcg is -none



The first observation is that the -none component is very low, so I really need to look carefully at if I'm

really OD'ing or just imagining it. Or is it possible that other components are contributing to OD?

Secondly, I

tend to use a lot of A1 proportionately. I like the mellowing effect it has when I get intimate, but maybe I'm not

serving my interest in getting more significant public hits.

Comments?

-CAtGood to see your success with the A1 i certainly could learn a little about this

substance.

Just regarding the Alpha 7, one drop contains easily

over 20mcg pheromone.

Like 7000mcg/10mL =

700mcg/mL

So divide 700mcg by the average number of drops you

can get out of one mL of the actual product and that will get you close enough to the correct mcg per

drop.

Also you will find that you will get less drops per ml

out of the A7 than you will with SOE because it is a lot thicker than the SOE and has a heavier

viscosity.

The same principle applies when measuring pheromones

suspended in Alcohol which has even less weight per drop and a smoother viscosity giving a different reading

again.

And again the amount of drops will always vary depending

upon the temperature of the products and also the type of dropper used in the field

measurements.

That is why i say when dividing the 1ml of

Pheromone into drops you will only get close to the exact mcg/ml , but it is close enough to know what you are

dealing with even though we may be a few % out.


Even one

drop of PI which contains less pheromone content than A7 contains over 20mcg of

Androstenone.

Your calculations are close enough with the SOE.

not to go into any hair splitting.

It is fine that you are

comfortable with one drop of Alpha 7, I also like one drop.

And

also regarding the 6" SOE that is also wonderfull that it is giving you the desired

effects.

Because at 6" the bottle will give you about 320

applications, and this sure is good economy buying.

I am can

usually have success with 6" SOE in a close and intimate setting.

But as far as a good 5 or 6 hours of attraction is concerned i personally need about 24" - 30" or

say 45" when at a dance or nightclub.

Even at the extravagant

amount of 45" this would give me over 40 applications per bottle.

Now at say $55 a bottle inc postage, that would make the cost of my one large application about

$1.38 ea.

Which is really a very cheap price to pay for the

application of a top hit application ammount of Scent of Eros.

Using Pheromones is a very individual and personal thing and we are all different and have our own

preferences and quantities.

And at the end of the day i wish

you well irrespective of your personal choices ect.

But if you

want to get extra friendly responses you could always try several more inches of SOE.

Sea how it goes. ~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~ :cheers:

[terry0400-40]

Thought i had something more to say xcept wish you were here.

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks for the help

Terry!

I'm glad someone checked my calculations. Apparently I was off an order of magnitude-- I mis-read the LS

experimentation spreadsheet.

Going with your approach to calculations, and assuming 20 drops per ml (or 180

inches per ml of SOE by your estimate of 1800 inches per 10ml bottle):

6" SOE = ~17 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1

drop A7 = ~35 mcg mones (mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 100 mcg mones (all A1)

Total weight = 150 mcg mones, of

which ~30 mcg is -none and the overwhelming majority is A1.

That sounds like a pretty solid total dose of mones,

despite what others use. So maybe I am on the right track-- but I should try increasing the ratio of SOE to A1.



I do consider A1 to be very important. I have found A1 to have a powerful comforting effect on women, and I use it

before bedtime with tremendous success for increasing affection, lowering their inhibitions, and increasing passion.

BTW, it was reading about the latest scientific study results of A1 in the news early this year that brought me to

LS!

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

Thanks for the help Terry!

I'm glad someone checked my calculations. Apparently I

was off an order of magnitude-- I mis-read the LS experimentation spreadsheet.

Going with your approach to

calculations, and assuming 20 drops per ml (or 180 inches per ml of SOE by your estimate of 1800 inches per 10ml

bottle):

6" SOE = ~17 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1 drop A7 = ~35 mcg mones (mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 100 mcg

mones (all A1)

Total weight = 150 mcg mones, of which ~30 mcg is -none and the overwhelming majority is A1.



That sounds like a pretty solid total dose of mones, despite what others use. So maybe I am on the right track--

but I should try increasing the ratio of SOE to A1.

I do consider A1 to be very important. I have found A1 to

have a powerful comforting effect on women, and I use it before bedtime with tremendous success for increasing

affection, lowering their inhibitions, and increasing passion. BTW, it was reading about the latest scientific study

results of A1 in the news early this year that brought me to LS!

-CAtI

have used an instant product sprayer that has A1 in the formula, i am not sure how much it has because the product

also has 2 other pheromones included.



I have not found the product to act as a powerfull attractant but it sure does

make a woman feel comfortable and secure.



I have sprayed it on an area of my chest before and had my g/f go to the very

spot and then leave her head buried in the area for 1/2 hour just purring like a contented pussy

cat.

RE -

SOE:- I have counted the drops several times using a rubber ended pheromone dropper that came with an order of

Androsterone that i had ordered from a direct sales chemical company.

I have purchased several bottles of SOE and

using the pheromone dropper each time i have counted the drops in a new bottle it has averaged out at 385 drops per

bottle.

So

dividing the 5000mcg by 385 drops gave me 12.987mcg per drop.

And experimenting with the SOE rollerballs i

get 5" per drop.

Which looks like this on my spreadsheet.

1 drop =Nol 10.384 mcg, Rone 2.596 mcg = 12.98 mcg Total per

drop.=5"There will always be variations in these

calculations for each tester because it all depends upon the measuring tools used and also the temperature of the

pheromone formulation at the time of measuring.



Having said the abovementioned, My calculations are good enough for me to work

with knowing that i am close enough to the mark % wise to be credable in my estimations.

The same goes for you also as it seems

that you have also come up with an estimation that works for you as it seems credable.

I dont think my perceived estimations

for Alpha 7 would be agreed with by the more experienced members of the forum as it is just a rough estimate, and i

have not counted drops from a new bottles yet.



But this is the table i use anyway for Alpha

7.

1 drop = aNONE 24mcg, aRONE 4

mcg.Some would say the None is only 20

mcg,
but that is still ok by me because i will not be making up

gigantic proportions of A7 to go into mixes.



I have made smaller mixes up and used in 5 ml and also 10 ml spray

atomisers.

At the end of the day most new forum users usually just work with a drop of this or a few dabs of

that, or a small spray, or a spray or two ect, so overall thats pretty much ok.

But i can really appreciate the thought that

you put into the calcuations as i try and do so myself, mainly because i like to store made up mixes to have on

standby for a specific given application target or perceived window of appropriate pheromone

action.

And

i really appreciate the A1 feedback and hope you stay posting as i would like to learn more about this Pheromone and

its concentrations and also where to obtain it from. :cheers:

[CAtriathlete]

Hey Terry 'ol mate,



Thanks for the next lesson in "mone math."

I think there's plenty of room for those of us who like to track

the mcgs as well as those who prefer to splash on a couple a' drops and a spray here or there. Since I consider

this a long term study of effectiveness, I, like you, prefer the former. I appreciate your meticulousness!!



Thanks for your drop count on SOE. A search on the web for "drops per ml" seems to yield answers ranging from 15

to 20 drops per ml. So I'm surprised to learn your average of 385 drops per 10 ml of SOE. Even though SOE is so

viscous and you would expact LESS drops per ml than a typical water-based liquid, yet you are experiencing 38 drops

per ml! That's a surprise. I can imagine it has to do with that dropper you are using-- small drops. (Personally, I

have a huge dropper :p ) When I get a chance I will have to do my own study of drop counts for different solutions

and using different droppers. Actually, now that I think if it, I'm not at all surprised the small droppers that

come with most of these mone bottles would yield smaller drops than a typical full-sized laboratory dropper. It's

definitely not true that a drop is a drop is a drop. I guess the take home lesson is for these experiements it's

more important to standardize one's own procedures and measurements relative to each other rather than external

standards.

As for the A1... I am now using full strength solution I got here at LS. Originally I tried the

half-strength stuff, but in retrospect I believe it was a bad batch and I won't buy the half-strength stuff again.

I am very happy with the full strength stuff- very potent! I'll keep reporting my results.

Back to the orginal

topic of this thread... it's becoming more interesting to me to think of the effects of mones in three different

zones, ranging from the periphery into the sexual:

1. The Attention Zone-- This is that 4' to 10' radius where

you hope and expect any ladies to notice your mone "signature" and check you out. If your dosage is just right, you

create a trail of DIHLs in this zone.

2. The Captivity Zone-- This is from 1' to 3' away, in which you already

have the ladies attention, and they can't resist flirting with you as they get a closer sniff. (I would think that

it is moving from the attention zone into this zone where the most OD's occur.)

3. The Intimate Zone-- This is

just and inch or two above your skin, where a woman's nose (and body) is right up against you. She is intoxicated

and wants to take in your scent completely.

Personally, it's the Intimate Zone where I've seen the most

effects and have been satisfied with my experiments-- very satisfied. Not only in bed, but I've had women friends

hug me and linger a lot longer than usual when I am wearing mones. That could be from my strong use of A1. Now I am

ready to work on success in the other two zones, without creating OD situations.

What do the rest of you think

of these zones? Contrived, or a helpful way of thinking about what works?

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

Hey Terry 'ol mate,

Thanks for the next lesson in "mone math."

I think

there's plenty of room for those of us who like to track the mcgs as well as those who prefer to splash on a couple

a' drops and a spray here or there. Since I consider this a long term study of effectiveness, I, like you, prefer

the former. I appreciate your meticulousness!!

Thanks for your drop count on SOE. A search on the web for "drops

per ml" seems to yield answers ranging from 15 to 20 drops per ml. So I'm surprised to learn your average of 385

drops per 10 ml of SOE. Even though SOE is so viscous and you would expact LESS drops per ml than a typical

water-based liquid, yet you are experiencing 38 drops per ml! That's a surprise. I can imagine it has to do with

that dropper you are using-- small drops. (Personally, I have a huge dropper :p ) When I get a chance I will have to

do my own study of drop counts for different solutions and using different droppers. Actually, now that I think if

it, I'm not at all surprised the small droppers that come with most of these mone bottles would yield smaller drops

than a typical full-sized laboratory dropper. It's definitely not true that a drop is a drop is a drop. I guess the

take home lesson is for these experiements it's more important to standardize one's own procedures and

measurements relative to each other rather than external standards.

As for the A1... I am now using full

strength solution I got here at LS. Originally I tried the half-strength stuff, but in retrospect I believe it was a

bad batch and I won't buy the half-strength stuff again. I am very happy with the full strength stuff- very potent!

I'll keep reporting my results.

Back to the orginal topic of this thread... it's becoming more interesting to

me to think of the effects of mones in three different zones, ranging from the periphery into the sexual:

1. The

Attention Zone-- This is that 4' to 10' radius where you hope and expect any ladies to notice your mone

"signature" and check you out. If your dosage is just right, you create a trail of DIHLs in this zone.

2. The

Captivity Zone-- This is from 1' to 3' away, in which you already have the ladies attention, and they can't

resist flirting with you as they get a closer sniff. (I would think that it is moving from the attention zone into

this zone where the most OD's occur.)

3. The Intimate Zone-- This is just and inch or two above your skin,

where a woman's nose (and body) is right up against you. She is intoxicated and wants to take in your scent

completely.

Personally, it's the Intimate Zone where I've seen the most effects and have been satisfied with

my experiments-- very satisfied. Not only in bed, but I've had women friends hug me and linger a lot longer than

usual when I am wearing mones. That could be from my strong use of A1. Now I am ready to work on success in the

other two zones, without creating OD situations.

What do the rest of you think of these zones? Contrived, or a

helpful way of thinking about what works?

-CAtI for one regard your

perception of the zones very imformative and really helpfull.
Unfortunatelly i can not elaborate any further as i am brain tired at the moment but just replying

so i dont lose the thred as i dont receive notification when someone has replied to a common

thread.

Yes

i have used a medical dropper before when counting, but the drops are larger than the pheromone dropper and gets

less drops than the pheromone dropper which is smaller.

When i use water in my dropper i get about 28

drops per ml.

And about 38 for SOE.



Just wonderfull that the A1 your ordering is good quality, ill have to have a

look at the stuff that is for sure. as i am very interested.

[Guy101]

Terry, what is A1? It is not

listed in the products list. Let me know please.
Thank you

[CAtriathlete]

Hey Guy,

A1 is

Androstadienone. It is sold in the Kits/Spupplies section of love scent.

There was a flurry of press about it

earlier this year because some new scientific studies proved specific ways it affects women's moods. Do a google

search and you can find these studies.

A1 is likely one of the sceret ingredients in the products that don't

list their mone content. That's because the company that makes Pheromax has a patent on any topical formulas that

use A1.

I find it is absolutely effective in calming any woman who is close to me, and raises the level of

passion in bed. I am working to use it along with SOE to take the edge off -NONE, from which I OD very easily.



-CAt

[Guy101]

Thank you CAT. So the products

that have already A1 in them like NPA, TE, & Pheromax & maybe AQ, & C7

I notice that when I use NPA women get

sexually aroused & at the same time tend to speak a lot.

[terry0400-40]

Thank

you CAT. So the products that have already A1 in them like NPA, TE, & Pheromax & maybe AQ, & C7

I notice that

when I use NPA women get sexually aroused & at the same time tend to speak a lot.Guy. hey there good thinking 99 ha ha .

Now that you bring it up i recon you could

have been right with those products containing A1 maby it is the secret ingredient that is going in to the

formulas.

They may be adding their own little secret amounts of the stuff.

I am glad there is some feedback coming in

from Cat and others regarding this subject as it is very interesting and it has me considering ordering some A1 so

as to do some of my own experimentation.



There is always room for improvements and tweaks to even our best surmised

mixes as i see it.

So really appreciate the great feedback with sincere thanks. :wave:

[CAtriathlete]

Yeah, I'm not sure people

realize that the makers of Pheromax have exclusive patented rights to use A1 in any combination formulas, so anyone

else who uses it can only use it as an unlisted ingredient.

A1 is special stuff. IMHO, there is no better mone

in the intimate zone. And even if you don't use it on a regular basis to mellow out the effects of -none, it's a

critical tool to soothe any woman during that time of the month.

-CAt

[stuttgart-man]

Yeah, I'm not sure people realize that the makers of Pheromax have exclusive patented

rights to use A1 in any combination formulas, so anyone else who uses it can only use it as an unlisted

ingredient.

A1 is special stuff. IMHO, there is no better mone in the intimate zone. And even if you don't use

it on a regular basis to mellow out the effects of -none, it's a critical tool to soothe any woman during that time

of the month.

-CAt

Hi Cat,

I´m a litle bit confused! Is it allowed to add A1 if this incredient

is not listed on the product? I´ve no many knowledge in patency, but is not alone the fact, that a product contains

A1 (even this one is not listed) a breach of the patency-rules?

Do you sure, that NPA contains A1? I have never

tried NPA, but often TE! And this one (especially in combination with SOE) is a excellent mix, that hardly can

improved! So perhaps I use A1 without to know it!?

[CAtriathlete]

Hi Cat,

I´m a litle bit confused! Is it allowed to add A1 if this incredient is not

listed on the product? I´ve no many knowledge in patency, but is not alone the fact, that a product contains A1

(even this one is not listed) a breach of the patency-rules?

Do you sure, that NPA contains A1? I have never

tried NPA, but often TE! And this one (especially in combination with SOE) is a excellent mix, that hardly can

improved! So perhaps I use A1 without to know it!?

Good questions! I do not know much about patent law.

I suspect that it is against the patent to use A1 even if it is not listed, but at this point I doubt it is worth

the time and money of the makers of Pheromax to go after these small companies.

I reviewed the patent again, and

noticed it is over ten years old. I wonder if it has expired, in which case I don't know why more products

wouldn't include it in the product listing.

The patent info is

here:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=qwUaAAAAEBAJ&dq=androstadienone

I don't think anyone (except

the manufacturers) knows if NPA or TE contains A1 for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Anybody have any more

definitive info about the use of A1?

-CAt

[WorkingMann]

CAT I don't think they can

be the only one who are allowed to use it in mixes and tell it in the ingredient list..
Look at this

link:

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-skeptic16jul16,1,740671.story?coll=la-headlines-health[/u

rl]

Drugstores also sell tubes of (Name hidden because of rules)hair gel for men, containing

androstadienone, for about $6

but again..I also found

this:
[url]http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1485
so you may anyway prove to be right..

But

the reason for I made this post was because I believe I had searched AromaSciences homepage and found somewhere they

mentioned Androstadienone.. But I can't seem to find it now but I think it was when I sought for Dr. Dodd but I

can't find what I remember (even though it wasn't that long ago).
So when I can't prove anything I'm not gonna

say you're wrong..

[Mtnjim]

If I remember correctly the patten

says manufacturers can't add it to a scented product.:blink:

[CAtriathlete]

CAT I don't think they can be the only one who are allowed to use it in mixes and tell

it in the ingredient list..
Look at this link:



http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-skeptic16jul16,1,740671.story?coll=la-headlines-health



Drugstores also sell tubes of (Name hidden because of rules)hair gel for men, containing

androstadienone, for about $6

but again..I also found

this:
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1485
so you may anyway prove to be right..

But

the reason for I made this post was because I believe I had searched AromaSciences homepage and found somewhere they

mentioned Androstadienone.. But I can't seem to find it now but I think it was when I sought for Dr. Dodd but I

can't find what I remember (even though it wasn't that long ago).
So when I can't prove anything I'm not gonna

say you're wrong..

I think their patent covers perfumes and the like, but not hair gels. And I thought

I read that there are a few other companies that pay the Pheromax company for the rights to use it in their

products. In any case, it's a complicated issue, and there's no knowing what the secret ingredients are in these

products. And since I think A1 is such an important ingredient, I want to make sure I am using it and not hope that

it is a secret ingredient.

That's why I only use products which have listed ingredients and their amounts (A7,

SOE, A1). IMHO, it's the only way to really figure out the mone proportions that work best for you. But that's

just my approach.

-CAt

[oscar]

I think

their patent covers perfumes and the like, but not hair gels. And I thought I read that there are a few other

companies that pay the Pheromax company for the rights to use it in their products. In any case, it's a

complicated issue, and there's no knowing what the secret ingredients are in these products. And since I think A1

is such an important ingredient, I want to make sure I am using it and not hope that it is a secret ingredient.



That's why I only use products which have listed ingredients and their amounts (A7, SOE, A1). IMHO, it's the

only way to really figure out the mone proportions that work best for you. But that's just my approach.



-CAt

CAt,

It's not PHEROMAX but PHERIN who holds the patent on the use of A1 in

combination with a fragrance.

PHERIN is an American outfit connected with EROX (former manufacturers of

REALM (http://love-scent.com/product_info.php?ref=66&products_id=47)), while

Pheromax (http://love-scent.com/product_info.php?ref=66&products_id=18) is a product made by NuLife, a

German company.

Whichever entity (PHERIN or EROX) actually holds the patent, they HAVE licensed the rights to

other companies to use A1 in fragrances. The ones I know of are AVON for their "PERCEIVE" line of phero products,

and Niche Marketing who currently distribute REALM.


Oscar :)

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Pheroline also advertise to have Androstadienone in their scented pheromone product.

[CAtriathlete]

CAt,



It's not PHEROMAX but PHERIN who holds the patent on the use of A1 in combination with a fragrance.



PHERIN is an American outfit connected with EROX (former manufacturers of

REALM (http://love-scent.com/product_info.php?ref=66&products_id=47)), while

Pheromax (http://love-scent.com/product_info.php?ref=66&products_id=18) is a product made by NuLife, a

German company.

Whichever entity (PHERIN or EROX) actually holds the patent, they HAVE licensed the rights to

other companies to use A1 in fragrances. The ones I know of are AVON for their "PERCEIVE" line of phero products,

and Niche Marketing who currently distribute REALM.


Oscar :)

Thanks for the clarity, Oscar. I was

aware it was the Erox company, but called it the Pheromax company for simplicity-- it seems many people on here are

more product than company oriented. But it is nice to have you clear up all of the relationships.

In any case,

would you not agree that A1 would be used a lot more (or at least listed as an ingredient a lot more) if it weren't

for the patent? IMHO, A1 is just as important as -NONE, -RONE, and -NOL, but because of the patent it doesn't get

the attention it deserves.

-CAt