Question from a Newbie ...

[WiZ83]

First of all,

hi, I'm new to this community, and generally new to pheromones.

Here's my story. How I encountered and learnt

about pheromones. I saw quite some advertisements, on Pherlure, and actually made a purchase, for 2 bottles get 1

free, for a total of $90 (for all 3 bottles shipped). I've used it for the last 2 weeks, and didn't notice any

differences, till yesterday maybe, I got hit at the gas station's cashier, saying I smell good, but I don't know

if it's just coz of the smell, or the phermones are actually working. I've done quite some research around lately,

and lots of people and websites, that aren't Pherlure related, claims Pherlure is a scam, and the ingredient they

claimed exists in them doesn't exist at all, so I might just try to return them, or maybe try it for another week

or so?

Anyway, I'm working at Rochester, MN, with IBM, and I'm 24 years old, graduated 2 years ago. I'm asian,

5'8", normal looking guy, around 180-190 lbs, and I'm originally born in Malaysia, of 100% pure Chinese

descendant, graduated in the USA with a degree, and got my job working now. I don't have problems getting girls

back in my home country, but sort of struggling to find my momentum here in the states.

I have just placed quite

a large order with Love-Scent, considering it's my first purchase with them, mostly the combo deals, and here's

what I'll be getting in the mail sometime between this week and next week:-

- Chikara
- Scent of Eros
-

NPA
- Super Primal
- The Edge
- And those freebies sample gel packs

And I've already currently own

these:-


- CK One
- CK Escape
- CK Eternity
- Davidoff Cool Water
- Boss #6 by Hugo Boss
- Hugo Cologne

by Hugo Boss
- Issey Miyake
- Jean Paul Gaultier Le Male

- Pherlure (at least till I return them for

refund)

I plan to use all these products to a great combination, and since I'm new to all of them, and

pheromones in general, I need help in finding the perfect combination. I plan to use these for the following:-

-

Office environment (most of the time I work remotely from home, but I have to go to office a couple times a week,

and I share an office with 3 other guys, and a lady)
- Bars/Clubs over the weekends
- Jazz Club (occasionally when

my colleagues need a place to relax after work)
- Poker Night (every Wednesday, a lot of my colleagues, males and

females, join up in one of our houses, and start up poker game, usually around 8 people, has been consisting 5 men,

and 3-4 women mostly)

I'm actually quite interested in one of my fellow co-worker, who's working at another

department within IBM, met her about 1-2 years ago, but haven't got the chance to talk much. I was thinking of

trying to approach her, and get some talking going, and hopefully, secure a date in the future (hopefully soon). I

don't know her exact age, but if I had to guess, I'd say around 23-28, seemed to look like she's a mixture of

Caucasian and Asian. The only time we get to talk is when she had to come over to my department to hand some

files/documents over.

Additional Info: I do have an Asian accent, which I don't know if it's going to affect

me. And I own a 2007 BMW 335i Coupe, which is pretty decent. Initially I thought I could get ladies with my car, but

I haven't got any since I broke up with my ex-girlfriend, so car doesn't help at all. :(

And I'm planning to

travel home to look for family and friends back in Malaysia in about 1 month's time, and hope that everything works

out back in Asia. Read that Asians tend to not like the smell of -none's, but I need more info.

Besides that,

since I'm only 24, and graduated 2 years ago, most of the people I know that works with me are older than me, and

already have a family, therefore I'd have to go to the bar mostly by myself. Any tips on meeting girls? I'm kind

of a shy guy on approaching strangers, especially female encounters, and tips on how to work on this would be

appreciated. It's kind of sad that my girlfriend left me, coz I'm living in an apartment all by myself now, 2

bedrooms, and it's kind of quiet. :( Since I'm not originally from USA, I've got no family members here, so I'm

desperate in getting out of the loneliness disease.

Comments/tips are well appreciated. Thanks a lot. I hope

that's not too much questions at a go (although I know it's a long post). :P

[WiZ83]

Anyone able to help?

:POKE::wub:

[BGuy20]

You'll have to be more specific

on which Hugo Boss fragrance you have. HB makes a Hugo line and a Boss line (Boss is more businesslike, Hugo seems

more nightclubby, plus there's a Hugo In Motion that's citrusy/sporty).

The Edge (if it's scented) is

sandalwood scented, so try to match on that. Basenotes.net is a great place to research what's in respective

fragrances. If you also happen upon a good cologne salesperson, they should be able to tell you as well.

I'd

suggest TE/SOE for experimenting and maybe graduating to NPA when you're serious. Haven't tried the NPA, but the

stories seem to suggest it's worth saving till you step up to the proverbial majors.

I'd also suggest

adding Lucky 6 to your cologne collection, it has an intriguing oriental scent to it that would probably go well

with your background, and IMHO it's the best cologne I have at mixing with pheros (the others being Drakkar Noir,

Armani Code, and Terre d'Hermes).

Most of all, don't hesitate to experiment and (most importantly) put

yourself in situations to meet women!

[gaf]

Dude, the only ladies interested in

you because of the BMW are not worth knowing. You want a woman that likes you for who you are, not what you drive.

Sure pheromones can help and probably will but in the end it's the person on the inside that gets to keep the

girl.
If you're lonely , go out and join some clubs , maybe even the local car enthusiasts club if you are into

that sort of thing. BTW , woman love dancing so a salsa/swing/ballroom class is major single girl territory.
Good

luck!

[BGuy20]

I wouldn't say the girls

interested in your BMW aren't worth knowing. They're probably worth knowing in the biblical sense, but not the

dating sense, if you know what I mean. :rofl:

And as much as I'd like to believe that flowery "it's

what's inside that counts" stuff, as far as physical relationships, girls WANT the cocky asshole and not the meek

nice guy. You should tailor your personality/approach based on what you're looking for.

[gaf]

You should

tailor your personality/approach based on what you're looking for.

Thats what I do now , I do the

qualifying and holy crap it works for me.
It's great fun teasing the crap out of the golddiggers too , they

just fall apart once they realise you are on to them!:trout:

[WiZ83]

I got 2 bottles of Hugo Boss.

-

Boss #6 by Hugo Boss
- Cologne Hugo by Hugo Boss

I'm personally not a big fan of Drakkar Noir, my dad loves it,

it gives me an impression that I'm old, as I'm only 24. I've read a lot of comments on Armani Code as well, but

I'm not a big fan Armani's lineup of fragrance. Most of them reminds me of the smell of toilet. So there's

nothing I can do with what I have? And I've forgot to mention I have Davidoff Cool Water, too.

Anyway, I wasn't

exactly expecting to get any serious ladies with my car, but I could expect to get someone to solve my loneliness

problems once a while, but that isn't the case. All my colleagues and friends think I should score big time with

that car, as it shows a status in a man, reliability and career, but I probably don't know how to put it into play

effectively.

Anyway, I could probably spend another $100-$150 within the next 1 month as soon as I get a refund

on my Pherlure ($80), and I'm looking to add other Pheromones or Fragrances. Lots of people say the A314 are great,

and how do they differ, compared to all those I mentioned that I purchased? And since I'll be traveling in a months

time, I'll be checking out more fragrances at the airport's duty free shop. Till then, I want to stick with what I

already have, so any experience with any of those fragrances/pheromones combo that I already have would really help.

My personal favorite at the moment are Escape, Eternity, and Cool Water.

[ShyAsianGuy26]

Well, I pretty much had

the same experience with Pherlure except I only brought one bottle. Some of the ladies seem to like it but I think

its a rather feminine, but kept it anyway.

I mixed some NPA in it about 3mls or so. It became a rather decent

cologne spiked. I have the same problem with women... the NPA does increase their interest but don't put to much

NPA on because they get weird around you, not sure if its because Asians aren't meant to have to much -mones

on.

Atm, I have some SOE, C7 (chikara), NPA and some gene packs which needs more testing. But I can tell you that

SOE is the real deal.

[WiZ83]

You mean, mix 3ml of NPA

into 30ml of Pherlure actually does the job?

[BGuy20]

Well,

I pretty much had the same experience with Pherlure except I only brought one bottle. Some of the ladies seem to

like it but I think its a rather feminine, but kept it anyway.

I mixed some NPA in it about 3mls or so. It became

a rather decent cologne spiked. I have the same problem with women... the NPA does increase their interest but

don't put to much NPA on because they get weird around you, not sure if its because Asians aren't meant to have to

much -mones on.

Atm, I have some SOE, C7 (chikara), NPA and some gene packs which needs more testing. But I can

tell you that SOE is the real deal.

Weird is precisely the thing I want women to be around me.

MEOW!:whip:

It seems like NPA + SOE makes women go INSANE from what I've read on here. Can't wait to order it

and try! :D

[WiZ83]

Damn man ... I've ordered

all those ... one of the local club here has a special night tomorrow ... Porn Stars gonna come clubbing here ...

I'm probably gonna go over there and have some fun ... but then my orders aren't in yet, not at least till next

week I guess ... unless miracles happen ... :(

[BGuy20]

Wiz: Why not go anyways? I think

the worst thing that can happen is you go there and don't talk to the porn stars.

Get your dance and game on,

bro!

Try to talk to them if for no other reason than it's good practice talking to beautiful women. Being able

to talk to them helps inspire confidence, which meshes with the mone signal you'd be sending out (especially with

-None).

I think the important thing to remember is that mones are one part of a complete package you present to

women. If you wear mones but aren't really presentable, it might not present a consistent image to the woman. If

you don't present a consistent image to women, they call bullshit and there's NO way you can advance. Of course,

the non-presentable thing might say that you don't give a damn, and sometimes that's a turn-on.

I'm just

saying that you have to place mones in context with other things. Are you trying to get into better shape? Do you

have a wardrobe that's impressive? If you're just using mones to attract women and not changing anything else

about yourself, it would be like just working on one muscle group in your body trying to get into shape. And you'd

look like the guy on that Red Stripe "Moderation" commercial.

So use the porn star special thing as a way to

practice your game/approach and build your confidence. Even if you get shot down, you'll better know what works and

what doesn't. Edison had THOUSANDS of prototypes for the light bulb before he found one that worked well. It's a

good thing he never gave up! Even trying and failing can help your game. If your game is good, you look/feel good,

AND you have mones, heaven help the women you meet. :smite::whip:

[WiZ83]

I'm definitely going to hit

the club tomorrow.

I guess I'll be experimenting stuffs.

All I've got now is Pherlure, I'll put it into

some serious test tomorrow.

There are 2 porn stars there tomorrow, and if I successfully bring one home, which is

unlikely, then I'd be the stud of the night. I bet there will be hundreds of people there, maybe a thousand ? I

don't know ... it's very well advertised ... they hand out flyers everywhere, posting posters, and putting them

onto car wipers ... cover charge will be $20 though ... it's usually $10 ... meh ...

[WiZ83]

Argh, I just checked their

website, and notice they have a dress code.

It's Pink Porn Star night, everyone has to wear pink, which I don't

have. :(

[BGuy20]

Wiz: Go out and buy a pink dress

shirt or polo before heading to the club. I think pink is actually in style now for men. Shouldn't be too hard to

find something.

Or just go and get a pink feather boa. :rofl:

Seriously, though, I've been reading

that little stuff like that (if you have the outgoing personality to pull it off) can be a good conversation starter

with women. At the very least, it gets them curious.

Good luck with the Pherlune and porn stars. You better

fill us in on how it went afterwards. :LOL:

[WiZ83]

Don't worry ... I'll keep

you guys updated ... Pink ... hmm ... I'll see what I can get at the local mall ... Feather Boa ... Interesting ...

:P

[terry0400-40]

Weird

is precisely the thing I want women to be around me. MEOW!:whip:

It seems like NPA + SOE makes women go INSANE

from what I've read on here. Can't wait to order it and try! :DI have

had some insane attention from women and also young women when wearing NPA and SOE ,

Funny thing though you have to get the

NPA right though or you will get nothing.



Sometimes i have gone out with my fresh mix on and have been completly ignored

by women as if i did not exist at all, and



Then after about an hour the hits just start to pour in, it seems to me that my

few good dabs of NPA must be an OD in the early stages

On the other hand i always tend to put more

on because it is just like a little runny alcohol and i think how can a few insignificant dabs of this do

anything

Well i have been beceived because i realize that the very smallest dabs of NPA can have a big

effect.

I

would say if you can not learn to be light handed with the NPA then go for a small spray of TE to start things

off.

I think

if it wasent for the grace of the SOE then so many of us could OD easily on NPA or other heavy weight aNONE

products.

Remember a drop of PI or A7 is around 20 mcg aNONE and drop NPA is close to

it,

Asian

women can easily notice 1/4 drop or around 5mcg aNONE,

So when trawling for Asian Babes even 3mcg is

enough to register on their sensitivities, :wub:



And "when used alone" it is very easy to get the attention of most suceptable

women with between 5 mcg or 12 mcg Anone.



I have noticed some young men not getting the results they have envisioned with

pheromones, and all i can say is go easy on the Androstenone :nono: as you already make heaps of the stuff

natutally.

I

think all young men beginning on the road with pheromones should have some SOE or some WAGG or a combination of both

to use as softening and attraction agents to start off their collection, and to

have some on standby when using concentrated


Androstenone products. :thumbsup:

[WiZ83]

You guys know what? I placed

all those orders at 4am 20th June (Wednesday), then the order was shipped out from Colorado on 20th June 11am, and

it arrived here today Friday 22nd June at 1:20pm. I was using regular First Class Mail, I received the package right

after I went to the mall during my lunch break to get a Pink Shirt, and went home and put the shirt on, and saw the

post man there. All I can say is, I'm very impressed with Love-Scent's service, and best still, USPS's First

Class mail took 2 days to get it shipped from Colorado, which is about 22 hours drive away from here.

I will have

the opportunity to test them to the full extent tonight. I will keep everybody posted. :)

[BGuy20]

Good luck tonight. NPA + SOE +

Porn stars = uh oh. You better come back with some good stories!

Also, don't assume that they'll bang you

right away just because they're porn stars. Most of the behind-the-scenes stuff they do with porn stars show they

treat it just like a normal job.

Still, it should be fun. Knock em dead!

[WiZ83]

Okay, these is what I got, I

need someone to recommend me something to put on, something to start with before I head over visit those porn

stars.

- 15ml Chikara
- NPA Pheromone Additive
- Musk Oil with Pheromones (Came with Noob Combo, don't know

what's this)
- Atomizer (Empty Bottle, don't know what to mix in it)
- 10ml Scent of Eros (Roller)
- 24ml The

Edge (I don't know if this is Scented/Unscented/Concentrate? I'm confused with the instructions that came with

it)

A Bunch (as in a lot, like 21 packs of Gel Packs (below):
- 3x Alter Ego The Packet
- 6x The Edge for Him

Pheromone Attractant
- 3x Chikara Gel Pack
- 5x Scent of Eros Gel Pack
- 4x Perception Human Pheromone Attractant

1ml

Please tell me what to start with.

And on top of those mentioend above, are the colognes I mentioned in

the original post.

Please tell me what to start with, I've got another 6-7 hours before I head over to the club.

Before 10pm, 50% cover charge. :)

Oh by the way, I opened up every bottles to sniff it a bit, I don't know

if this is the effect of it, my mouth seemed to be a bit runny, as in, it's wet, full of saliva, for the last 15

minutes, is this common?

[WiZ83]

Just got home from

work.

Still no recommendation?

What I'm planning to do, if I don't get any response, is to do these ...

-

apply 2 dabs of NPA ...
- then roll 12 inches of SoE ...
- then cover with 2 sprays of Chikara ...
- thinking if

I should cover with my other colognes? CK Escape ? Eternity ? Cool Water ? I don't know how they'd blend ...
-

still deciding if I should spay to my upperchest/neck, or wrist ... sigh ...

Please, someone tell me if what I

planned above is too much ... trying to achieve something tonight ... whether porn stars or not ... I hope I'm not

firing blank ... lol I'm probably a bit too ambitious, but ... oh well ... :(

[Mtnjim]

I would just stick with the NPA and

SoE, a proven mix.

[WiZ83]

How much NPA, and how much

SoE? Don't I need any cover scent?

[BGuy20]

Just a DROP of NPA. Apparently

any more can be an overdose.

If you have the roller, 12" to 24" of SOE seems like the preferred

amount.

Haven't tried either, but other posts seem to suggest this might be a good mix.

You MIIIGHT

be able to get away with 2 drops of NPA since these girls probably are used to dealing with alpha guys (they do so

at work). I'd keep a pocket wet wipe handy so you can clean up if you notice any OD reactions to the NPA.

[BGuy20]

I'd say cover it up with Le

Male, unless the SoE is scented. If SoE is scented, I'll try to look up what would go with it.

[WiZ83]

Hi ... as promised ..

here's my story ...

What I did was:

- 1 full drop of NPA
- approimately 12 inch of SoE
- 2 sprays of

Chikara
- 2 sprays of CK Escape

They were all applied to my wrist, rubbed both wrist together, and then rubbed

it over my neck. I applied extra 1 spray of CK Escape to my neck ...

Experience ... I went clubbing by myself ...

there were 3 porn stars there total ... and a porn industry producer throwing the party ... and having a contest,

where 1 person will get a chance to be the next porn star, and win a boob job ...

Anyway, I went there, got a

couple drink, dance a bit, I wasn't great at dancing, then sat by the bar for a while, and tried to get some eye

contacts ... I didn't notice much, as I didn't have ladies approaching me ... so after an hour or so, I decided to

approach 4 ladies sitting by a table, talked a bit and stuffs ... exchanged telephone numbers, I gave them my

name/business card, they gave me theirs, on my cell phone ... I don't know if I got the real deal/number, as I

haven't gave them a call yet ... anyway, these 3 out of 4 of those ladies were pretty hot, and I won't mind

hooking up with them soon. We talked a lot, and dance for a while, I kinda sucked at dancing, so I don't know if I

actually embarassed myself there ... but they seemed to giggle or laugh a lot at me ... maybe I'm their laughing

stock ? :( I don't know if there's any effects from the mones I applied ... It was pretty crazy, as I really made

myself do stuffs I don't usually do ... got a couple drink, and toss myself towards these 4 pretty ladies table and

invited myself to sit down and chat with them ...

Anyway, I'm going to another bar tonight ... I don't know if

I should use the same combination ...


P.S. - I got home empty handed, yet again ... :( But I got 4 new numbers

on my cell ... which I don't know if they're actual working numbers ... won't know till maybe a couple days

later, I'll try calling ... Didn't score, so it's kinda disappointing night? Or maybe went pretty well, don't

know yet, we'll see ...

[terry0400-40]

Hi ... as promised .. here's my story ...



What I did was:




- 1 full drop of NPA
- approimately 12 inch of SoE
- 2 sprays of Chikara
- 2 sprays of CK Escape




They were all applied to my wrist, rubbed both wrist together, and then rubbed it over my neck. I applied

extra 1 spray of CK Escape to my neck ...


Experience ... I went clubbing by myself ... there were 3

porn stars there total ... and a porn industry producer throwing the party ... and having a contest, where 1 person

will get a chance to be the next porn star, and win a boob job ...


Anyway, I went there, got a

couple drink, dance a bit, I wasn't great at dancing, then sat by the bar for a while, and tried to get some eye

contacts ... I didn't notice much, as I didn't have ladies approaching me ... so after an hour or so, I decided to

approach 4 ladies sitting by a table, talked a bit and stuffs ... exchanged telephone numbers, I gave them my

name/business card, they gave me theirs, on my cell phone ... I don't know if I got the real deal/number, as I

haven't gave them a call yet ... anyway, these 3 out of 4 of those ladies were pretty hot, and I won't mind

hooking up with them soon. We talked a lot, and dance for a while, I kinda sucked at dancing, so I don't know if I

actually embarassed myself there ... but they seemed to giggle or laugh a lot at me ... maybe I'm their laughing

stock ? :( I don't know if there's any effects from the mones I applied ... It was pretty crazy, as I really made

myself do stuffs I don't usually do ... got a couple drink, and toss myself towards these 4 pretty ladies table and

invited myself to sit down and chat with them ...


Anyway, I'm going to another bar tonight ... I

don't know if I should use the same combination ...



P.S. - I got home empty handed, yet again

... :( But I got 4 new numbers on my cell ... which I don't know if they're actual working numbers ... won't know

till maybe a couple days later, I'll try calling ... Didn't score, so it's kinda disappointing night? Or maybe

went pretty well, don't know yet, we'll see ...
Not bad, Rome was

not built in a day.
And at least you have got out and shown some

initiative, so good work, Action leads to results, as long as it is good fun and enjoyable keep at it and the sweet

fruits will be in your hand.

When i go out to Bad girls or to a club i get really good results with NPA x 1 drop + about 48"

SOE ( this is about the same as 1+1/2 gel/ pkt SOE ) and also 2 sprays of C7.
When i have had on 48" SOE with my A7 or NPA i have had comments from chicks saying " you smell

sexy"

It may

seem to some forum members that i am being extravagent with my SOE use, But between 32" and 48" works wonders for me

depending upon the venue and circumstances. :cheers:

[WorkingMann]

Being their laughing stock

aren't always bad.. If you aren't embarrassed or let it get to you women can take it as a good thing and you just

are a funny dude that aren't gonna be embarrassed by little things and that shows you're a mann that stands by

what he does and says..

[BGuy20]

I'd say that them laughing at

you is either really good or really bad. Phero wearers on here seem to get a giggle response when women are nervous,

but it could also be that they were indeed laughing AT you. I think it depends on how confident you observed them to

be. If they were confident, they probably were laughing AT you, but if not, they were probably nervous. Also, I

think if they were giggling AT you, it's a sign of interest. If they were giggling while facing their friends,

perhaps not.

It's good that you showed initiative. It's not too often that the girl comes up to you, even

with pheros. It takes pheromones AND some good game to get women.

I'd suggest buying/reading one of the many

pickup books (Mystery Method, et al) so you have the right mindset when approaching women. These systems teach the

confident guy approach that you'll need to appear congruent while wearing -None. If you wear -None and still act

like a wimpy guy, it's a turn-off because what she's seeing doesn't match up with what she's smelling.

4

numbers is good, but keep at it. Screen the ladies, if you aren't interested in them (or they aren't interested in

you) you can still be friends with them and use them to help out your other conquests.

Keep at it!

[WiZ83]

I'll see what happens tonight

when I put on more SoE tonight. Maybe try 24 inches tonight. :P

Will keep you guys updated.

[ShyAsianGuy26]

WIZ on the 3mls I added to

Pherlure, it does get women to be more pleasant around you... its not much.

3mls diluted up to 30mls of Pherlure

or 3:27 in terms of mix. I can tell you now that two Asian chicks that I hang out with told me that I smell like

sweat with that on. They're just friends, not my type, but obviously they smelled something over the strong scent

of pherlure... the good NPA lol.

More testing will be needed since I am rather new with -mones. Don't want to

waste it at work right now b/c it would be a waste of money.

:thumbsup:

[WiZ83]

Quite a few people told me

that Asians are kind of sensitive to -none, as it would mostly turn them off.

As for last night's result, it was

kind of disappointing. No hits, no chicks. Nothing ... :( Sad ... I tried to hit on a pretty hot Hispanic lady, but

she ignored me whole night ... :(

Anyway, I'm gonna sleep with the pheromones on, without shower. I usually

shower before I sleep, but I want see what kind of experience I get, as in dreams, coz I read some people having

weird dreams/nightmares. Just wanna experience it. :)

[ShyAsianGuy26]

I can tell you that it is

a turn off for Asian women for their men to smell like -none or at least for the ones that I hang out with.

Caucasians on the other hang are another story... lol my favorite being the typical nordic look... as in blond hair,

blue eyes and hour glass figure (which will come in time).

Anyway, I am trying to improve myself this summer.

Asians are usually light build... so work out a little more. But most importantly practice your personality which

from what I understand is the most important when trying to put -mones to work.

From an dating standpoint....

women are after

1. Intelligence= more money
2. Kindness <--they say they want this but marry jerks and after

being abused they divorce them.
3. Power= more ops in life
4. Money= to support their life style

What type of

girl are you looking for? One-night stand? short-term? long-term?

All these factors play into what you should do.

:lovestruc

[WiZ83]

At the moment, I'm looking

for any type that comes into my life. Then I'll figure it from there. I won't get married any time soon, but if

the right one comes by, I might consider that.

And by the way, I woke up this morning, without any dreams, except

a boner (morning erection), which doesn't happen often, but maybe it's just a coincidence?

[WorkingMann]

Test again to check.. Always

do this to see if your result was a coincidence or a real result.. Do the same when testing products.. Test the one

same product and ratio for about a week and then you can come with an conclusion..

[ShyAsianGuy26]

I would say just a

coincidence... lol I deliberately left all the -none on from when I OD'd. The only thing I got was it stunk up my

whole bed for the next few nights until I could air it out.

I think -mones are suppose to intensify your dreams

and such.

Well I hope you have luck on your escapades. Keep us posted.

[ShyAsianGuy26]

But then again... Test and

test again. Who knows you might experience the genuine thing. :blink:

[WiZ83]

I've still got a bunch

left, so I'm gonna keep testing. Hope I don't run out any time soon ... :)

[WiZ83]

Wore the same stuff

yesterday to work, no results. :(

[WiZ83]

Went to the strip joint yesterday

with a couple of friends, as it was 2-for-1 Tuesday (Buy 1 get 1 Free Lap Dance), used the same combination

again.

I think it did worked out a little bit. I got 1 private lap dance, paid $25, was supposed to get for 2

songs, then she told me she'd give me another song for free, since I'm sweet. So I paid $25 for 3 songs.

The

others, I don't know, there were lots of strippers coming by, sitting on my lap, trying to get me to buy a lap

dance, but they do that to almost everyone at the strip joint. It was really crowded there.

[WiZ83]

Updates:

I've been

getting a couple of hits, with 1 drop of NAP, 2 Spray of Chikara, 12-24 inch of SoE only on my wrists, never apply

any on my neck. But these only work at office, during lunch.

But none of them worked at bars/nightclubs. Never

got any hits at all at the bars/clubs.

I've tried Perception and SoE Gel Pack, and they never seemed to work.

Any suggestions on how to use them? I apply the whole pack before I go clubbing, spread them over wrists, behind

hears, and neck, and never got anything out of it.

[terry0400-40]

Updates:



I've been getting a couple of hits, with 1 drop of NAP, 2

Spray of Chikara, 12-24 inch of SoE only on my wrists, never apply any on my neck. But these only work at office,

during lunch.


But none of them worked at bars/nightclubs. Never got any hits at all at the

bars/clubs.


I've tried Perception and SoE Gel Pack, and they never seemed to work. Any suggestions

on how to use them? I apply the whole pack before I go clubbing, spread them over wrists, behind hears, and neck,

and never got anything out of it.
Re SOE, 24" is about the same

amount of Pheromone content as a new 3/4 Gel/ pkt.

If i decide to go to a club i use about 1+1/2

gel/pkt SOE.

The last time i visited China Town and sat around inside the mall after having applied Dab of NPA

and 40" SOE i had some wonderfull and very flirty positive encounters with more than a few Asian

girls.

And

later on when i was walking beside my girl she just came straight out and said "You have that sexy smell

again"

I

will be again visiting China Town for my herbal supplies and i am going to wear 40" SOE and one spray Chikara, see

how it goes, ill post up and let you know.



To be certain i have had much more success with SOE when i have patted a good

amount of aftershave into my mix.

I think it helps with the diffusion, i really do.
Especially in cold weather or cool conditions.

I also find warm weather is an added bonus in

distributing the pheromones.

[WiZ83]

I'm going to a local club

tonight, which is hosting a Red and White Independence Day part. I guess I'll try 1 drop NPA, 2 spray chikara, and

48" SoE ? What ya recommend? Since I haven't got a hit at clubs as of yet, should I increase the dose of

NPA/Chikara?

[terry0400-40]

I'm

going to a local club tonight, which is hosting a Red and White Independence Day part. I guess I'll try 1 drop NPA,

2 spray chikara, and 48" SoE ? What ya recommend? Since I haven't got a hit at clubs as of yet, should I increase

the dose of NPA/Chikara?I would not increase the Chikara as i think 2 sprays

is easily enough of that one.

I find that if i put a decent amount of aftershave on with my SOE appliocation it always seems to

be more effective in diffusing the pheromones even over a long period of time.

[WiZ83]

1 Drop NPA, 2 Spray Chikara,

48 inch of SoE, didn't work at the club.

I'm still failing to find the perfect mix for clubs. :(

[WorkingMann]

Tried these products out as

single ones and see what ratios work for what product..?
Then it's easier to mix more products..

[Kong]

My only positive time at a club I

had about maybe 10" of SoE on my neck and then used Phelure as a cover scent. Other than that I've had little luck

with mones. I'm a smaller/younger guy but should I apply more? I also have a bottle of C7 that is rarely used.

[WiZ83]

NPA can be tried alone? Coz the

smell itself is horrible.

[WiZ83]

Oh by the way, I'm taking a

flight to Hong Kong tomorrow on a business trip, will be there for 3 days, then I will be going back to Malaysia and

chill out for 2 weeks before returning to Rochester, MN.

Anyone got any good mix recommendation for some

mile-high-club?

[graniteking]

Hi - just

posting to this thread because I have a similar story. I started with pheremones the first time with Andros back in

the 90s... Big waste of money - never did anything for me.
Then - a few months back, bought Pherlure... not really

any solid "HIT" - although it is possible it affected one woman I ended up visiting the next day (didn't get

anywhere- but she was vietnamese, in her 50s)

About me:
Caucasian, 37, average build
5'10 and about 230

lbs

I started weight training about November, so am in decent shape - and have been ballroom dancing since about

October.

Today I picked up my starter pack from here - what I got:

The newbie kit - with TE and base
SOE

packs
Perception packs
Chikara

and also got a couple of Edge gel packs

my first experience... came home at

lunch and mixed the edge and base together, not a lot of it... sprayed once and went back to work.

No dramatic

anything - had a girl open up a bit, but I am one who can usually get that anyway. So I don't think it was that

that caused it.

So - since I work at two different offices, went to the other one and on way sprayed once more

with TE. I think that helped a bit - a girl came up to talk to another one at work, and was in my space. I have

danced with this girl, so we have been comfortable together, but not that close at work.

Then just got a

friendlier attitude from the other girls there - although that COULD be partly attributed to it being Friday.

I

went from there to get a massage - cute girl there, and I payed her an hour massage (I have an injury to my

shoulder, she is helping loosen the muscles there) but she ended up going over that by about 15 minutes- plus was

overall with her around 90 minutes, even though I was slated to be there 60. She was very open and talkative, more

so than the last time she gave me a massage. Don't know for sure - but it is possible that it was affected by the

mones.

Then - went to buy a cover scent - had no cologne, so bought some Drakkar - put that on and maybe a bit

overkill, but I want to see what can happen - so two sprays of Chikara too. We will see how it goes when I get to

the dance tonight.

I will keep you posted on it... I do still have the pherlure, thought it may be interesting

to mix with others and seeif any different effects...

But tonight - what it comes down to:

2 sprays of TE

(residual from earllier)
2 sprays of Chikara
Drakkar cover scent

We will see if it is an OD or not :)

[graniteking]

Ok - I think that was

inconclusive.

I danced - a lot - and every time I didn't dance I had a girl grab me to dance... but that isn't

unusual... I know a lot of these women and they like to dance with me.

I think I may have had a hit or two

though - one girl I didn't know, kept checking me out... and a few people seemed friendlier than usual - but that

could be me not being there for a couple of weeks recovering from an injury too.... Will have to keep trying,

tomorrow am going to try in a new setting, with people who I don't really know. Haven't decided yet what to wear

though.

[belgareth]

Wear exactly what you did this

last time. By consistantly using the same item under different conditions you will get a better idea if it works for

you. Once you do that you can start tweaking it to make the effect more of what you want.

[graniteking]

I will do that - I do

have a couple of other questions...

First - the newbie kit includes a mix with scent and the edge- the edge

doesn't have a dropper but the other one doesn't. I didn't use the dropper adding the edge, just the scent base-

I may not have exactly 1:1 on it. My assumption is that I don't want to use that dropper in the edge, because I

don't want to contaminate the contents of either bottle. For those who mix, do you just pick up droppers somewhere

and use it or what?

Second - what is this everyone is talking about in inches of scent... ?

Woke up this

morning and I can definitely smell the mone's after everything else has worn off - smells kind of strong. I am

going to try scrubbing hard to make sure as much is off as possible. I read something about buildup being a possible

issue. Any thoughts on that one?

And my plan for the week, based on your post here, is:

2 sprays of TE
2

sprays of chikara
cover scent (drakkar)

I will keep it updated here on anything new from it :)

UPDATE



went out yesterday - was an open-air festival, did a couple of dance lessons.
Nothing I can with certainty

attribute to the mones- I danced with one girl, who was friendly... but that is already my experience with dance. No

noticable glances from anyone along the day... I had stopped into my office and seen a couple of girls there, but

nothing out of the usual.

A little later, went swimming with a friend, and afterwards reapplied, since it had

been several hours since I had put them on. This friend is a girl who I have in the past been VERY close to ;) but I

didn't see anything unusual from her either, even though spent a few hours together.

So where I am at today- I

think I will try one more time today, and one tomorrow. If nothing, I will change it around a bit and see what else

I can do. I have a bunch of perception packs, and may try those starting on Tuesday. With the mix I am using, I want

to find out on one particular girl if it affects her (late 20s, hispanic, very very pretty :) ) before I move to

another mone.

Update - has now been four days since I got the mones...

Yesterday didn't go out, but have a

friend who lives next door, so figured I would try again and see if she noticed anything. Didn't see any results, 2

sprays of chikara and 2 of TE.

Today, wore 2 and 2 again, went to work, didn't really see any results. Came

home for lunch, refreshed the chikara with 2 shots more... then saw the girl I mentioned. She came by for a couple

of minutes, but I think I OD'd because she wouldn't look at me and seemed kind of uncomfortable.

Tomorrow am

debating whether to try SOE or Perception... I read a lot from people that they think perception is bogus - but

others swear by it. I will update again to see what I can come up with from it all. I plan on wearing whichever one

for the rest of the week to see what happens there... then go to whichever of those two I don't do first.... then

probably start into chikara or TE alone and see where it is. I will try and run for at least 4 days straight before

I change, just so I can see what happens with that particular mone. While I haven't had great results yet, I am

sure that the mix is out there somewhere for me, just need to find it :)

UPDATE

First day of Perception -

and I was kind of surprised. I have read a LOT of reviews on here saying perception is useless - so didn't really

expect much. I got a set of packets when I ordered my original kit, so I have 9 packets of it.

My experience:

went in to work after 1/2 packet - liked that it has virtually no smell.

1. A girl at work, who rarely says

more than hello, but only after I talk first - said hi while I wasn't even looking at her. May not sound like much,

but I have worked with her a year, and the most I ever got from her was if she needs a favor or something - she

didn't. I took that as a minor hit.
I came home for lunch, having that only as my experience, and decided to use

the rest of the packet. I know I didn't really need a refresher, since I have read how this one lasts for hours and

hours... but figured I would boost it to a full gel pack.
A couple of surprising things then:

2. The girl I

mentioned previously in this post (the one who I think I od'd with yesterday) - who is my neighbor, on very close

terms... but hasn't really been talking to me much for a month or two. She started a little bit of flirting -

nothing major, and not TOO out of her norm... but then she started talking - ALOT. I have talked to her a lot - in

fact have been more than friends with her - but we haven't been as much talking since we decided to not have the

benefits. So that was kind of out of the norm.

3. A girl I have danced with, had been kind of chatty with

before... but not in a month or so, since we had stopped dancing together (I had expressed an interest in her

before, and she since then had been avoiding me) all of a sudden was very very chatty today. This morning, I saw her

and got a smile from her, not unusual, but after lunch she was very talkative. Seemed like she kept asking things

just to keep me around to talk more.

4. Went to a store on the way home, and saw a girl there... looked several

times her direction and kept finding her looking away from my eyes when I looked her way. Admittedly, I have VERY

blue eyes (contacts :) ) but still that wasn't my normal experience with it. I do get stares sometimes but not ones

that keep looking away when I look at them.

Ages of the first three are girls all around early 40s. The 4th was

a girl probably early 20s.

Overall, I was very impressed with this one. I look forward to seeing how the other

ones do for me :) But, I am going to keep on with perception for a few more days before I move on to trying SOE.



I was also thinking about maybe getting some Alpha 7, and possibly liquid trust. Any experience on those?



UPDATE again

Was out swimming so was pretty sure the perception was gone... so I sprayed 4 sprays of TE (2

came out partially, so I think closer to three sprays total) and got a DEFINITE overdose

The above mentioned

girl who lives next door commented "something stinks" and her and my sis who were both here went over to her house

instead of hanging around here.

UPDATE day two with perception

RAINY day here. I found the big drawback to

this one... almost all of it washed off going outside I think. No hits that I noticed.

Question - WAGG vs A314

- which would be the best way to make approachable? or would SOE or something else do it?

[graniteking]

nothing yet

- 1/2 gel pack of Soe- I didn't notice any hits on this so far. Will try today at 1 pack - I only did 2 days of

perception because of the weather. Once I saw how fast it goes away on rainy days, decided to save it for dry

days.

[vendettaseve]

nothing yet - 1/2 gel pack of Soe- I didn't notice any hits on this so far. Will try

today at 1 pack - I only did 2 days of perception because of the weather. Once I saw how fast it goes away on rainy

days, decided to save it for dry days.

Hey man
I have read thsi whole thread over and have come away

with a few feelings on the issue. I admittedly dont know anything about mones but what iv read on here, as I am

still awaiting mine in the mail, however I would just like to say, there is such a thing as trying to hard, Take it

easy, take it slow, If I were you id try cutting everything your using in half, and try a different cologne, I find

Gravity tends to draw them in even without mones ^.^ Your current scent leaves girls with a funny impression, Used

to use it myself, smells nice but doesnt do the job.

Thats my advice to you, im going to say this again, I really

dont know much about mones but I do have an oppinion oddly enugh.

ALSO one note to Wiz,
Night clubs are evil my

friend, dont go to them with hopes of picking up, as with bars, Girls know that thier just meat in there, and

ultimatly thier defences are so high because they know your just there to pick up that you really wont get anywhere

very often. Go somewhere quiet, Public librarys are wonderful for this, as with Malls etc, Iv found from experience,

that if you shop in girly stores, girls hang off you, Im Canadian so I dont know if you have Claires or Ardenes

around where your from, but find an equivalent, make jokes about not knowing what your doing in there and youl take

them home, without mones :LOL: Or so I find.

Thanks for listening :)
V

[CptKipling]

nothing yet - 1/2 gel pack of Soe- I didn't notice any hits on this so far. Will try

today at 1 pack - I only did 2 days of perception because of the weather. Once I saw how fast it goes away on rainy

days, decided to save it for dry days.

What kinds of things did you do while wearing it?

[graniteking]

For the most part, just went

into work. There is a LOT of traffic there, although I maybe only see 10 to 15 girls there a day- aside from the

girls I work with of course.

As a side note - wore 1/2 pack SoE yesterday - noticed nothing,

Today tried 1

full pack, and one of the girls I work with started rubbing my shoulders with no suggesting from me - was all

spontaneous on it, and she has not done this in the year I have known her. Not a likely candidate for me, being

older (late 50s) and married... But still, I do attribute the reaction to the SoE
:thumbsup:

Was thinking

about going to Barnes and Noble and hanging out a while over the weekend, since it is across the road from me :)



BTW - one other note - using perception as well as SoE - have had no cover scent at all, as my work environment

requires a low profile scent-wise. I really like that perception has a soft scent, not overpowering, so can get away

without cover, same with the SoE.
I do have 3 bottles (my bad) of that OTHER place's non-existent pheremone

cologne - but I do like the scent, so was thinking to use it in a mix with TE to cover the musky smell of TE. I am

just writing it off as an over-priced mistake for cologne, since have only ever seen one potential hit with it after

using it for a couple of months.

[graniteking]

Ok - day 2

of SoE -

one full packet this morning - nothing that I saw... (went to work, around several women).

Think

it all wore off by this evening - 1/2 pack at 7:30 to meet a girl at 8:00, cover of drakkar

Not a sexual hit -

her and I have talked before, as friends... we spent 2 hours walking and talking. All the time walking she held onto

my arm - but this girl is one I have been on hugging terms with for a while anyway. So was this at all related to

the scent? I have no clue - very possibly not. But then, just have to find out with more tests :)

[WiZ83]

Sigh ... I tried all kinds

of combos now and haven't got much of a success. The only thing that I think worked for me at the moment is SoE, as

I've got some people really chatty, other than that, I haven't seen any results from other products that I have

tested since I used them a couple months ago.

[Iaskalotof?'s]

I see that you use

NPA,which is kind of advanced.Why did you choose to use that?

[WiZ83]

Because I read great reviews about

it?

[Iaskalotof?'s]

That's a good point,but

I'm guessing most of those people who made those reviews have had experience already(i.e with lower none products

like TE,then worked their way up). I would suggest trying the edge,its dirt cheap and gets good results!

[terry0400-40]

That's a good point,but I'm guessing most of those people who made those reviews

have had experience already(i.e with lower none products like TE,then worked their way up). I would suggest trying

the edge,its dirt cheap and gets good results!I could not agree with your

excellent advice more regarding that suggestion, as The Edge is easily managed and produces good solid results, and

in my estimation is real value for money that can not be surpassed. :thumbsup:

[WiZ83]

I got The Edge as well, used a

couple times but no results as well, maybe I wasn't applying enough.

My The Edge bottle I got doesn't come with

a spray, so how do I measure sprays then? I usually do like 4 dabs or so, might not be sufficient?


Again,

should I be using TE/NPA alone to test them out? It smells bad, so is it okay to use it alone? Or I should at least

have some cover scent over it?

Of all the colognes I've used, without mones, LeMale gives me the best hit as far

as getting compliments from girls.

[belmont]

i tried TE-Sandalwood...1 spray

to the neck...didn't notice anything.....

can't try it at work as i dun wanan incur the wrath of the guys

there....

on the other hand, SOE seems to do fine.