why arent there more -rone products?

[ipwnu52]

ok, so i was reading on pherolibrary, and i saw that -rone and -none are very similar except that -rone doesnt have

the added aggretion, that comes with -none, so why arent there more -rone based products?

[terry0400-40]

ok,

so i was reading on pherolibrary, and i saw that -rone and -none are very similar except that -rone doesnt have the

added aggretion, that comes with -none, so why arent there more -rone based products?I think that Androstenone displays a sexual and dominant forcefull type aura to the wearer, and

Androsterone more or less signals the impression of protection and reliability and projects a more gentle side of

the isomer, so usually a little is added to an Androstenone formula to soften the hard hitting or sexual edge of the

aNONE and give an impression of a gentleman, if to much aRONE is used it will give too much of a limpwristed wimpy

type edge to the aura, which is not really attractive overall. And the other pheromone that you did not mention is

Androstenol, which gives the impression of being approachable and attractive. I think that the addition of nol and a

smaller amount of rone can increase the effectivness of the none. and make one appear more appealing to a larger

percentage of the targeted agenda. So overall a little bit added gentleman Arone is nice and smooth, but too much

will make you appear just too gushy and wimpy limpy. :thumbsup:

[gaf]

This is why I suspect chikara (C7)

can give some guys a "gay signature"
:cheers:



if to

much aRONE is used it will give too much of a limpwristed wimpy type edge to the aura, which is not really

attractive overall. (snip)
Arone is nice and smooth, but too much will make you appear just too gushy and wimpy

limpy. :thumbsup: [/COLOR]

[terry0400-40]

This is

why I suspect chikara (C7) can give some guys a "gay signature"
:cheers::goodpost: Gaf, I think you have a point there, Some men can appear to be effiminate in nature sometimes

because of their mannerisms and other factors, and i suppose an addition of some Chikara could accentuate these

characteristics quite adequately. Back in my younger days one of my best friends said that he thought i was gay when

he first met me, i can remember wearing 8" high heeled shoes, striped flaired trousers and long sleeved frilly

shirts at the time when i went out sometimes, and i had shoulder length blond hair as i was also into a bit of

surfing at Bells beach and ocean grove when i wasent pussy poaching which was a full time activity... Oh those were

the days. Back on subject, I actually would not mind giving the Chikara a bit of a test run, as i think one full

spray may go very well with 1 drop of my magic Alpha 7 unscented, I have heard that the scented Chikara is

attractive to women, I wonder if the gel/pks exibit the same nice fragrance, I may actually try some of those if

they are scented, to get an idea of the character of this famous product. :wave:

[Gegogi]

Off the top of my head I can only

think of one product that is mainly 'rone--A314--and it's about 80% as I recall. It's a very successful

product well known for the strong, smooth and confident male image it normally engenders. You'd have to try really

hard to come off as whimpy or gay. Women seem to really take a shine to me while donning A314.

[marina1]

really? I've had little or no

results using A134, maybe I was using too little???

[Gegogi]

I need 5-6 drops for optimal

results, but I'm an old fart.

[ipwnu52]

well, when i got my chikara, and

the sample packets, i tried perception, TE, and C7 and i got little to no results with TE, while with preseption,

and C7 i recieved pretty good results, i just think that aRONE works very well for me personally, i would buy A134,

but its too expensive

[stuttgart-man]

i

would buy A134, but its too expensive

and this although Arone is a very cheap pheromone compared to None

and Nol.....

[ipwnu52]

well, i was considering buying

concentrated Arone, but i found 2 places to buy it: 1. from love scent where the price is substancially higher then

the second place:adrotics direct, can somebody please expalin to me the difference between these two sources and/or

products?

[Gegogi]

It would only be fair to compare

prices by matching the concentration, e.g., how many mg of androsterone is dissolved in how many ml of alcohol, and

volume of product. AD sells in multiple concentrations and the first few prices options (in dropdown menu) are far

less concentrated than the LS product. They're bacially mostly alcohol with a little pheromone. Once you hit the

$80-100 range you're getting a decent concentration of a-rone from AD.

Low concentrations are better for direct

applications to skin whereas high concentrations work better in mixes with cologne and other pheromones. I prefer

high concentrations for premixing in an atomizer. Thus I can spray 'n go wthout playing with many little bottles.

[ipwnu52]

so, if i wanted to create my own

unscented phero mix, would buying the chem set be a good idea, IE would there be enough mones to make a decent sized

mix?

[Sigma]

so, if i

wanted to create my own unscented phero mix, would buying the chem set be a good idea, IE would there be enough

mones to make a decent sized mix?

This is usually the better route to go, so long as you know what

you're doing. I only make a few pre-mixed batches for re-application mixes, but even for mixes I throw together on

the fly, I prefer applying with chemset type products. Its expensive initially, but is cheaper in the long run,

plus you have a greater degree of control over the mixes (fewer unwanted ingredients to muddle a mix). Higher

concentrations are usually a better value in the long run, particularly for pheromones that you use up frequently.

[marina1]

I need 5-6

drops for optimal results, but I'm an old fart.


I tried it again, 5 drops at once on wrists and

neck. same result.

it's somewhat dissapointing because I really like the smell, yet it somehow I feel very

depressed using a134, almost as if there was no hope.

how old are you? maybe I need to way a dozen years for it

to start making the desired effect...

[terry0400-40]

I enjoy the A314 experience, it is very subtle and not sort of in your face effect, and it can as you

mention have an effect on the wearer, as it will certainly magnify your mood somewhat, i usually wear 4d max, or use

2d mixed with 1d Alpha 7, or few dabs of NPA, sometimes you have to kick this one around a bit alone or mixed to get

get the best feelgood result, also if i havent worn it for awhile i notice the effects more readily when i use it

again, but it can have a little depressed note to it, that can be overriddden by a few minutes in a meditive state

and relaxation, or even a little grinning and tounge work can transform the mood to one of a persons choosing, as

the mones only work for us, and there is no doubt about it we are far superior and have the understanding to control

and project the energy of the substance as we see fit. :)

[ipwnu52]

terry, u seam to know a lot

about mixing, i am considering buying the chem set, and i wonder what u think will be a nice starter for somebody

who fits my profile:
I am probably one of the youngest mone users out there, im 15 years old, 5'5, 125 pounds, and

am what you would call "punk" so any pointers as to mixing would be appreciated -josh

[Mtnjim]

... So if you

want to ahem them make sure you have a handy stash of viagra.

If you're a noob, don't! Gain some

experience with "ready to go" products first.

[terry0400-40]

terry, u seam to know a lot about mixing, i am considering buying the chem set, and i wonder

what u think will be a nice starter for somebody who fits my profile:
I am probably one of the youngest mone users

out there, im 15 years old, 5'5, 125 pounds, and am what you would call "punk" so any pointers as to mixing would

be appreciated -joshSo good to see your post Josh, and glad to communicate

with you before you purchase the "chem set ", as Mountain Jim says, it really would not be a good idea to order this

set yet, yes it is really excellent value for money, and yes you have some real control built into this as to good

creations of your choice, BUT it really takes time to learn what will work for you first, and at your age there are

some pheromones in the chem set that you just would not need to use, so save your money and go for products that

have no Androstenone or are very low on it, I think girls under 21 would be influenced more by brand products like

Chikara, or Scent of Eros, If for some reason medical or otherwise you considered your self to be low on natural

Androstenone ( most young healthy men have more than enough ) Then you could try some of The Edge, or Maby one or

two drops of Alter Ego, But if you were after a good starting out product then i would suggest you order some Scent

of Eros and see how you go with it. :wave:

[ipwnu52]

ok, in that case i am hoping

that ill get some soe in my sample packets to try out
-josh

[terry0400-40]

ok,

in that case i am hoping that ill get some soe in my sample packets to try out
-joshYeaar, i recon youl go ok with the SOE, as it always seems to be consistant in quality

ingrediants, if you start out with the gel/pks then they are designed to provide a generous one usage, or a little

bit extra, so i think in your case you may be able to start out using 1/2 gel/pk, in your initial applications and

see how you go. I think if you were using added Androstenone then you would start attracting older more experienced

women, and i dont think it would be productive in the long run for you to have become a toy boy. I think the SOE

will help your communication and social interactions with nice fresh young women, so get in there close amoungst

them and give them a generous blast of your good stuff. :wub:

[ipwnu52]

ok, thanks for all the help, i

have one more question, where should i apply it, currently i am applying chikara, to wrists, neck/jaw line, and

behind the ears, is there any place that im missing??

[terry0400-40]

ok,

thanks for all the help, i have one more question, where should i apply it, currently i am applying chikara, to

wrists, neck/jaw line, and behind the ears, is there any place that im missing??Well Josh it seems that you have got it well covered, I am also interested in your perceptions

with the Chikara, as i am thinking to order some, the gel/pks would be good to trial, but the 10mg/15mL would

certainly be far greater value for consistant use, Just keep us posted on this one, i hope it suits you.

[ipwnu52]

unfortunatly, i didnt get any

SoE, with my free samples, so i will wait till i am ready to place my next order to buy some packets. how ever i

have my perception, and now that it is warm here in NJ i am noticing subtle changes in the way people act toward me,

unfortunaly this time around, i am also seeing some of the bad parts... (aggretion (sp?) with guys) i will keep on

updating as i get more results
-josh

[ipwnu52]

I am now wearing perception on a

daily basis. Recently i have been hearing things like "omg you seem so much manlier 2nite" and stuff like that, so i

am quite pleased, but i have a question: this friday i am going to a heavy metal concert, it owuld be a very high

heat high moisture, high density enviroment, so what product owuld be better of the 2 i have: chikara, or

perception??

[terry0400-40]

I am

now wearing perception on a daily basis. Recently i have been hearing things like "omg you seem so much manlier

2nite" and stuff like that, so i am quite pleased, but i have a question: this friday i am going to a heavy metal

concert, it owuld be a very high heat high moisture, high density enviroment, so what product owuld be better of the

2 i have: chikara, or perception?? Hey Josh, its great that you have

managed to unlock some of the potential of Perception, well it really seems the most obvious choice for the nights

rage for sure considering the heat, as i am sure the Pheros will have a chance to break free into the atmosphere,

Did i pick up you having a male reaction to the stuff, if you were using it straight from the 10mL unscented bottle

then one drop would probably work out at around 4 mcg aNONE and another 4 mcg aRONE and about 8 mcg aNOL this is a

rough estimate, nevertheless the formula looks well balanced, even if some of the competition may feel a little

threatened by your manly sofisticated prescence ha ha, good on you, well i suppose you could always lighten things

up a tad with the addition of 1/3 g/p of your Chikara this will give you another 27mcg dose of fun pheros with 2

doses left in the g/p to use as refresher as time goes by, or according to the mood in general as you see fit. :lol:

PS just looking at the Perception gell pack, if you are using one of these then you should use the whole thing as it

contains a total pheromone content of 80 mcg which breakes down to around 40mcg aNOL, 20mcg aNONE, 20 mcg aRONE, .

For normal daytime use you will probably get 2 applications from the g/pck.

[ipwnu52]

As borat says:"GREAT SUCCESS!"

the concert went without any visible effects, but thats ok because i was the smallest (and youngest) person there,

however i seamed to get a lot of respect in the mosh pit, which was unusual. However i recently picked up a new

"friend with benefits" accenedentaly, she came to my house, and i decided to put on some perception, cuz shes kinda

hot and i thought what the hell. So we were inmy basement, kinda flirty etc. and out of nowhere BOOM we start making

out SOOOO pationatly for around 30 minutes without stopping, it was a great hit. to assist my perception, i was

wearing an experimental "gucci by gucci" cologne that is for testing purposes, and for a product that hasent been

relesed yet, its amazing overall i am still very happy with my perception gell packets

[CptKipling]

I think that Androstenone displays a sexual and dominant

forcefull type aura to the wearer, and Androsterone more or less signals the impression of protection and

reliability and projects a more gentle side of the isomer, so usually a little is added to an Androstenone formula

to soften the hard hitting or sexual edge of the aNONE and give an impression of a gentleman, if to much aRONE is

used it will give too much of a limpwristed wimpy type edge to the aura, which is not really attractive overall. And

the other pheromone that you did not mention is Androstenol, which gives the impression of being approachable and

attractive. I think that the addition of nol and a smaller amount of rone can increase the effectivness of the none.

and make one appear more appealing to a larger percentage of the targeted agenda. So overall a little bit added

gentleman Arone is nice and smooth, but too much will make you appear just too gushy and wimpy limpy. :thumbsup:



I think you have it slightly confused there. High -rone is not a "gay" signature.

I

think the only problem with -rone is that the effects are less dramatic than other pheromones, but it's still

powerful and useful.

[gaf]

I think you

have it slightly confused there. High -rone is not a "gay" signature.
I think the only problem with -rone is that

the effects are less dramatic than other pheromones, but it's still powerful and useful. ( Cpt refering to

terrys post)

Now I've looked back on my diary and taken sometime to think about my neg experiences with Chikara

, I reserve the right to be wrong.

Lately I've been using it again and am very happy with the results , no

problem from other guys mistaking me as "gay" . I'm a bit of a metrosexual and always make an effort on my

appearance, something that other guys can mistake for being on "the otherside". Maybe I'm a bit sensitive on the

issue, but then the guys that have given me a hard time in the past were mainly fools that I don't usually

socialise with and were a bit confused that I can attract the ladies with little effort and not be interested in

casual sex with some of them.
I've been using mones for a few years now and am still but a grasshopper in the

world of pheremonology and am open to reviewing my opinions from time to time.:cheers:

[Bruce]

Very interesting and concisely

written. I had to Wicky the term "metrosexual." I'd heard it before, but wasn't crystal clear on it. I have

been living in Asia most of my life, then moved here to Eugene, OR, so I really have no clue other than what I just

read. I guess it sort of brings to mind something like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever or something. I

really have nothing else to connect it with. Folks just don't get dressed up around here.

Bruce
@ tree

hugger central

[terry0400-40]

I

think you have it slightly confused there. High -rone is not a "gay" signature.

I think the only problem with

-rone is that the effects are less dramatic than other pheromones, but it's still powerful and

useful.Well yes i dont think rone gives off a gay vibe, I actually wore it

as the major ingredient in a few mixes when i was working along side about 6 women at one stage, and they were

actually treating me with heaps of respect, and they were actually anticipating my movements so as to be positioned

to assist me at every opportunity, and they were saying "sorry terry" far too much, the whole scenario was just too

incredable to be credable, but it was occuring on the days that i used 6 drops of added rone, at 1mg/ml strength, at

the time i thought the rone made me into the old grandfather sort of figure, but now that i look back and also when

i see that some of the girls were emailing me, and asking me to sit with them at rest breaks, in their car, i

realise that the rone is probably more attractive and possably more sexual than i have given it credit for. Also i

realise that people take the word limpwristed as sort of gay, but i was not thinking of the word in this context at

the time of my post but more like as meaning the obscure old man in the pantry man sort feel, even so, i now think

rone is more dynamic than i previously had given it credit for. And i thank you for bringing it to my attention.

sorry about the late reply, but i dont know why i have stopped receiving email notification to my posts and threads

as i used to receive them from L-S, I actually receive them still from the other phero forum when i rarely post on

a thread, but i dont get the email thread notifications from L-S for some reason now. :wave:

[gaf]

Thats ok Bruce,
I live in a city of

about 1.5 million people , small by world standards but is the largest city here in New Zealand. Often as most

people are the country type here if you look a bit dressed up and use hair gel you get called a metrosexual (or FAG

at the best)
My hairs receeding back so I don't worry about the gel but as I often deal with corporate clients and

turn up in office spaces I'm pretty much expected to look a bit dressed up. No Tie, but think dressy jeans and tidy

shirt. Also, I'm a bit lazy and don't shave every day as I get a rash anyway...
Anyway, we all meet idiots at

the local pub and my mistake was that I listened to them... They are mainly tradesmen and view anyone that wears

anything but short shorts and free T-shirts as being "bent". I'm a lot happier with myself and don't care too much

anymore , it's funny but the barmaid will often come over and talk my ear off as she knows
I can answer any

question she has about current affairs and to a lot of guys this is viewed as being "gay". go figure... I think they

are just jealous as they can't understand how I manage to get the hotties to come and talk to me and holy crap I

leave alone! (my choice as I have a GF) Despite being the quiet type I enjoy conversation with others , I'm just

crap at the bullshit small talk.

[CptKipling]

Terry,

No worries :)

Your

post surprised me as the presence of high -rone is actually the opposite of homosexual according to JVK.

[stuttgart-man]

If a man is heterosexuel,

the amount of natural released androsterone is higher than the amount of etiocholanone whereas heterosexual women

and homosexual men release more etiocholanone than androsterone! So androsterone makes you more masculine!

[terry0400-40]

Ha Ha i just remembered something funny, when i had this casual job working with

5 or 6 real honeys, sexy as well, as i explained several posts back on this thread, they were treating me extra

special every day and getting as close to me as they could as i explained before, as i was wearing some aNONE with

about beetween 4-6 drops of aRONE, depending on the day, and these group of girls were acting like they adored me,

it was starting to get a little tiresome actually, As it happened a new girl turned up one day and she started

working with me and the cute girls, at the same table about 5 foot away from me, the same as the cute girls, and

this girl was young and overweight and very butch, and she absolutely hated me from the first whiff, she only worked

1/2 a day and just dissapeared, but for the 4 hours she was near me she tried to compete with me just about in every

way she could manage, and very strange thing was that she could not keep her eyes away from me, every time i looked

up she was glaring at me, so it appeared that the petite sexy girls really liked me and my "mix" where as this big

solid lump of a girl had the opposite reaction, This little excersise actually convinced me of the powerfull effects

a good Mix can generate. :rant:

[lilstitch]

I think that Androstenone displays a sexual and dominant

forcefull type aura to the wearer, and Androsterone more or less signals the impression of protection and

reliability and projects a more gentle side of the isomer, so usually a little is added to an Androstenone formula

to soften the hard hitting or sexual edge of the aNONE and give an impression of a gentleman, if to much aRONE is

used it will give too much of a limpwristed wimpy type edge to the aura, which is not really attractive overall. And

the other pheromone that you did not mention is Androstenol, which gives the impression of being approachable and

attractive. I think that the addition of nol and a smaller amount of rone can increase the effectivness of the none.

and make one appear more appealing to a larger percentage of the targeted agenda. So overall a little bit added

gentleman Arone is nice and smooth, but too much will make you appear just too gushy and wimpy limpy. :thumbsup:



Aptly put T-man. I always love reading your posts.:goodpost:

[terry0400-40]

Aptly put T-man. I always love reading your

posts.:goodpost:Thanks Lil -----, I apply a pheromix every day and

sometimes apply 3 times on a long hot day between

showers.



I'v been using the stuff for years and still experience so many good hits

that if i were to post it all up then i recon it would be overkill and folks would think this boy from downunder was

part of the L-S establishment lol.... :lol:

[lilstitch]

Thanks Lil -----, I apply a pheromix every day and

sometimes apply 3 times on a long hot day between

showers.

I'v been using the stuff for years and

still experience so many good hits that if i were to post it all up then i recon it would be overkill and folks

would think this boy from downunder was part of the L-S establishment lol.... :lol:



I gotta ask this T-man. You're an Aussie. What are Aussie women like?? Are they as freaky as rumors say they are?

I've always wanted to date an Aussie gal but in my neck of the woods they don't usually drop in. I live near

Portland, Or. I've had occasional encounters with some. The Pacific Northwest is renowned for its outdoor beauty as

well as outdoor activities, and the encounters I have had had to do with Aussie girls that were gonna go spelunking,

or hiking, etc. I know you guys love your outdoor activities:rofl:

[terry0400-40]

I

gotta ask this T-man. You're an Aussie. What are Aussie women like?? Are they as freaky as rumors say they are?

I've always wanted to date an Aussie gal but in my neck of the woods they don't usually drop in. I live near

Portland, Or. I've had occasional encounters with some. The Pacific Northwest is renowned for its outdoor beauty as

well as outdoor activities, and the encounters I have had had to do with Aussie girls that were gonna go spelunking,

or hiking, etc. I know you guys love your outdoor activities:rofl:For

the most part the Aussie girls, and women in later years that i have enjoyed relationships with have been more

desposed to indoor sporting fun adventures with some retail therapy thrown into the mix and some driving trips with

the occsaional picnic and a steak on the

BBQ.



I have had several with whome a good beach and a bong were favourite

passtimes with a goodly amount of sausage sauntering thrown in.





I have enjoyed the company of girls from all over the world and i have also

been married once in good old Glasky town Scotland and also to another lucky lass in Leeds West Yorkshire, with a

previous marriage in Victoria Aust and then my last one for a total of four in Suva Fiji Islands.


I probably was of the opinion that variety is the

spice of life.



But i recon women are women the world over and they are all great, as one of

my sayings is that " There aint just nothing like a woman" especially when you really need one desperately, and that

for me is very often .... :wub: