Do I have any chance with her?

[leto44]

The

situation is very complicated.

The girl I want to seduce is very special. She is 20 or 21 I think. Her
boyfriend

is famous, he's a model and he is rich. On the other side I'm not good looking guy, I'm not rich and I'm not

famous. The question is "Do I have any chances using pheromons"?

There are some important details:

1. Whithout

pheros I don't have a chance! I'm like a road sign for her. The only word I hear from her is "Hi" and sometimes a

"Hi" with a fake smile.

2. She look like a princess really! Some famous people are jelous of her beauty, some

stars even.

3. She's engaged I think.

4. She was a vergin before him

5. Her boyfriend is somthing more

than an alpha he's like a dream for the girls in our country.

But there are some advantiges

1. That's her

first real boyfriend and I know that at first she wasn't sure that she like him (that sound strange even for

me).

2. I know she said that she never met the one, this was before she met her current boyfriend, but she was 18

at that time, I think. I'm not sure she is normal heterosexual, she may be bi or something.

3. She may even be a

lesbian.

I know this sounds crazy but it's a real challenge for me and I want to try something like special

mixes and combinations, all the weapons you've got, even if I have to smell like a woman.

This will be slow

process but it will be interesting for everybody here.

If you think I have any chance you can post your

suggestions and advices.

I'll keep you informed every time I have a contact with this girl.

Thank you all

preliminarily

Sorry 'bout my low language

skills.
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[WorkingMann]

First of all I would say you

really have picked the one challenge that you really gotta work for huh? :lol:
But thatøs okay if you think you can

pull it off.. I wouldn't say anything because with the hearth you never can tell.. So you might have a chance or

not.. But I will say it will be really tough if you "can" get her, but I'm not sure if you can.. But if you feel

for her then just give it a try.. The worst situation is you end up where you started and that's not to bad because

then you tried at least and then you couldn't have done more..

But if we should help you I would say try telling

a little about yourself.. Is you the quite (silent) type? Then it will be easier for us to give some

advices..

But my first "advice" will be you perhaps can use the advantage of "this is her first one".. Many women

fall in love with the first one they're with sexual but after some time they feel an urge to try out something new

because they don't wanna marry someone when they haven't tried to be with somebody else.. They wanna try something

different them him..
This is not general but I know many women that have had this feelin..
So perhaps if you find

out if she has it that way you have an advantage there.. But do it silently and discretely so she woun't susspect

it..

[leto44]

First of all I would say

you really have picked the one challenge that you really gotta work for huh? Yep, that's definetly the

hardest of all I have in mind.

I'm not scared that I'll end where I started. If it wasn't this forum I would

not even started. I really count to the pheros, without it, I don't have any chances.

About me? When I was

younger chicks liked me but then something happend and I haven't relationship with a woman for a long time. This

thing fall out from the sky for me man.
First of all the chicks don't start conversation with me, I allways start

first. I'm shy sometimes, but only sometimes. I'm not the quiet type, I talk very much, too much and I know

that's a problem. But one thing I know, I'm not the sexy kind-a-guy. The chicks rarely smiled at me and they are

not happy to see me. It's very strange, I allways think it's something about my look.

[Marlboro_man]

I'm not

scared that I'll end where I started. If it wasn't this forum I would not even started. I really count to the

pheros, without it, I don't have any chances.



I can say this much about you. If you believe what

you wrote above then you are right you don't have any chances. I am sorry to sound mean but the moment you feel

you don't have a chance, a woman will sniff that out, and you will be proven as very prophetic.

[leto44]

I can say

this much about you. If you believe what you wrote above then you are right you don't have any chances. I am

sorry to sound mean but the moment you feel you don't have a chance, a woman will sniff that out, and you will be

proven as very prophetic.
Don't give me wrong man. I'm cool when I talk to her, I don't shake like a

dork, but she's a hard one. It's like you to seduce Britney Spears. If the pheros don't do any good I'm doomed.

And not all because of me but because of many things (me too). This girl have a class and I'm a neighbourhood rat

compared to her. Is like a movie star to date a construction worker. I just need an

advantage.
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[Marlboro_man]

Don't give

me wrong man. I'm cool when I talk to her, I don't shake like a dork, but she's a hard one. It's like you to

seduce Britney Spears. If the pheros don't do any good I'm doomed. And not all because of me but because of many

things (me too). This girl have a class and I'm a neighbourhood rat compared to her. Is like a movie star to date a

construction worker. I just need an advantage.
Funny you chose Briteny as she was taken by some trailer

park trash named kevin and I doubt he was using mones. I guess the point is that high status girls don't interest

me in any way, but if I were interested then I would go for it and not think that i'm inferior in any way. If you

hold her above you then you have already disqualified yourself as a potential mate in her eyes. You need to stand

out in a big way from the tons of men that must already worship her if she is all that. Most girls need to feel

proctected so that being said they need a guy that shows dominating traits so they feel like a woman.

[WorkingMann]

Don't give me

wrong man. I'm cool when I talk to her, I don't shake like a dork, but she's a hard one. It's like you to seduce

Britney Spears. If the pheros don't do any good I'm doomed. And not all because of me but because of many things

(me too). This girl have a class and I'm a neighbourhood rat compared to her. Is like a movie star to date a

construction worker. I just need an advantage.

The mones will help you but as Marlboro says.. If you

count on the mones to be your only salvation to get a chance with this girl you're not gonna make it..
The mones

will not do the job for you.. You must do the work, the only thing the mones do is "help you".. So if you seem nice

to her or a little attraction the mones will enhance it..
But! Youøll have to make it work and not the mones..

It's like you expect the mones to do the job for ya, and as you say:

If the pheros don't do any

good I'm doomed.
So we cant help ya.. Because the mones will not do any good when you don't work for it..

Mones don't do wonders.. YOU do!
So if you want this woman you gotta work for it like any other girl, and she will

be as hard as always.. But once you get things goin in the right direction mones will help you to get there a little

faster perhaps..
This is not meant to be harsh but I'm just sayin it so I'm sure you don't misunderstand it..

[leto44]

It's not that i won't do a

thing. The moment I see a look, a real smile or something that shows that this girl don't threat me as a nobody

i'm on man. You said pheros can "help" me, thats everything I need to do

it.
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[koolking1]

I think there's

questions that need to be addressed.

How old are you?

Do you just want to screw her or do you want to

marry her?

I personally feel that in some instances a guy can get the gal without any game at all and just

with the mones. It's happened to me but not with a target in mind, she just came to me while I was eating in a

restaurant, I didn't say much to her and was 25 years her senior.

[Redeye]

It's not that i

won't do a thing. The moment I see a look, a real smile or something that shows that this girl don't threat me as

a nobody i'm on man. You said pheros can "help" me, thats everything I need to do it.

Problem is that

if you have to wait for encouragement, the kind of girl you want, won't be attracted to that.

For me confidence

is THE most attractive thing. Even completely average guys that I wouldn't normally look at will get a look in if

they are confident and charismatic. It's like when you meet someone and don't fancy them, but as you get to know

them, their personality makes them more attractive. You get to the point where you can't imagine having not always

fancied them.

Don't mean to sound callous, but I think we should all aim within our reaches. From what you

have said, you sound like you think your aiming too high. She'll smell that a mile off and be put off. Even if

she doesn't think that, you thinking it will put it in her head.

Pheremones don't make a 5 a 9 imo. Not

calling you a 5 because I have no idea what you are like! Just saying that people who stay together are generally

within a point or so of each other.

Good luck if you do try and get her. If you do want to try, my best advice

as a woman, would be to act like you don't want her! If she's that hot, she'll be completely shocked and maybe

try for you. I know if I think I can get someone easily and they don't want me, it makes me want to make them want

me...if you get what I mean.

[Marlboro_man]

Pheremones

don't make a 5 a 9 imo. Not calling you a 5 because I have no idea what you are like! Just saying that people who

stay together are generally within a point or so of each other.


I agree with everything you said

redeye, but wanted to make a point about this. I think us as men can easily grab a woman as much as 5 points higher

than ourselves with the right attitude. Kinda of what you are saying but it would be extremely rare to happen in

reverse as guys are more physically selective.

[thirtyplus]

Hey guys,

Some good advice

already on this thread. But I have to say:

Even comparing ourselves to women on a POINTS scale is silly. Why?

because women exist on a VISUAL (physical beauty) points scale for us, 1-10 right>

But, to women, we exist on a

MENTAL points scale....with a 1 being a smelly dirty street hippie with no money and 10 being the most dominant,

masculine, powerful, funny, charismatic guy imaginable.

So you have to REALIZE....we have like 200% more ability

to change our place on "the scale" than they do.

Yes, they can get tucks and implants and use lots of makeup but

they still will only move themselves...maybe 3-4 points, objectively, in good lighting (club lighting is

different).

I have seen guys, however, go from TOTAL average frustrated wimp to pretty much BADASSES that had hot

model-quality girls eating out of their hands.

Not easy or quick, but VERY POSSIBLE...with enough self-study and

learning.

Leto, the 'mones alone won't make this girl fall to your feet and start sucking you off, you have to

change yourself for that :) Check out my blog to get started and let us know how it goes!



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[WorkingMann]

I will have to agree with

marlboro and redeye here..
Your attitude is much (especially when people doesn't know ya yet - like clubs

etc)..
But if you play high and are like you're above her and the "natural order" isn't like this (because she's

so beautiful etc) she will be like "what's this.. This isn't "normal".. It will grab her attention and wanna make

her wanna be with you.. She will say if he doesn't want me then there must be a reason.. Can he get better than me?

Something wrong with me? And she will be searvhing for these answers and also be wanting you because you're not

like everybody else..
It's important to stand out and catch her attention..
You do this by not acting like

everybody else and not be predictably..
If you "don't want her" (you act this way) it will catch her attention and

make her interested in you..

[leto44]

Thanks for all your posts. I'm

22 years old.

First of all I'm not in love with that girl. She's not even my friend, we just know each other,

and because it's very hard to take a word out of her I want to make things easier with the pheros. Then I'll start

a conversation with some questions and if I get answers like "Yes." and "No" I stop asking. So my point is to try

different mixing of pheros till I find the best for her (personaly)! Not to seduce her but to start a normal

conversation with her. Get it? Then I'll do my thing. Ones I made her out for a cup of coffee, she's mine.

:)

I'm not purchased any pheros yet so recomend me somthing.

I'll try the "I'm not interested" behaviour,

but I try this alot and it don't help me much. Maybe I don't do it naturaly, but I'll

try.
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[belgareth]

Start with SoE, its difficult

to OD on and rarely repels. It's great for getting people to talk. Chikara or might be a good second

choice. You might even consider waiting until comes out in the new mix. It is potent. Try mixing later after

you've become competent with the individual products.

[WorkingMann]

Yes I would also recommend

SOE as a first choise.. When you get results from that the AQ will probably also be commin out..
But else you can

also try WAGG witch I have had great results from or perhaps also try Liquid Trust..
But with SOE you really know

you get what you pay for..
Perhaps it would be good to buy the unscented version so when the AQ comes out you're

sure you wont mix scents if you choose the scented version (as I expect there also will come out an scented of AQ

version 2)..
is also a good alrounder I would say..
And also Chikira that has 7 mones that makes it more

subtle and alround.. Don't know if there's built in an buffer like AQ but I almost prosume it..

[Redeye]

I'll try the

"I'm not interested" behaviour, but I try this alot and it don't help me much. Maybe I don't do it naturaly, but

I'll try.

With the not interested behaviour, you need to give a little then pull right back, give a

little, pull right back. If you just act completely uninterested you run the risk of her genuinely believing that

you're not.

Maybe one day say something nice to her, something that no-one else will say and that she hasn't

heard before, so she'll remember it. Maybe pick a part of her that wouldn't get much attention and compliment her

on it, like "you have really graceful hands."
So much more believable if it's something so specific and unusual.



Then act uninterested, as opposed to just uninterested all of the time.

[leto44]

With the not

interested behaviour, you need to give a little then pull right back, give a little, pull right back. If you just

act completely uninterested you run the risk of her genuinely believing that you're not.

Maybe one day say

something nice to her, something that no-one else will say and that she hasn't heard before, so she'll remember

it. Maybe pick a part of her that wouldn't get much attention and compliment her on it, like "you have really

graceful hands."
So much more believable if it's something so specific and unusual.

Then act uninterested, as

opposed to just uninterested all of the time.

Yeah but I think she have to see I'm there first. I have

to take her attention, otherwise she won't even see the the uninterested behaviour. At this stage I don't even

exist so this is the first thing I have to change somehow.

I don't met her for weeks now and if she sees me

different than the last time the things may change. There's gotta be a contrast between before-me and

now-me.
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[WorkingMann]

If you talk to her like you

got something else to do and doesn't really are that interested in spending time on her because she's not that

special.. But at the same show some interest a moment and then turn 180..
:lol:

[leto44]

What about

PI?
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[belgareth]

What about

PI?
PI is -none and very strong. Some people, mostly young, cannot wear it at all and many people react

negatively to it. It might be suitable to add to something else later on but as a starter I would strongly urge you

to not use it.

[WorkingMann]

What about

PI?

When I use it I can get fair results from one drop and 2 drops I OD and people get very agrresive and

annouyed.. So wouldn't recommend this..
I've gotten better results from other ptroducts..

[Holmes]

I agree with belgareth. Go with

SoE.

[Marlboro_man]

With the not

interested behaviour, you need to give a little then pull right back, give a little, pull right back. If you just

act completely uninterested you run the risk of her genuinely believing that you're not.

Maybe one day say

something nice to her, something that no-one else will say and that she hasn't heard before, so she'll remember

it. Maybe pick a part of her that wouldn't get much attention and compliment her on it, like "you have really

graceful hands."
So much more believable if it's something so specific and unusual.

Then act uninterested, as

opposed to just uninterested all of the time.

Don't overlook this advice!!! Especially the first

paragragh. Redeye is a woman who clearly has touch in what women like. Remember you need to take 1 step in or you

won't accomplish anything but after you do take 2 steps back and let her follow.

As far as mone choice, I would

also recommend SOE if you want to get a conversation started.

[belgareth]

Redeye gives very good advice.

Pay attention to her. She knows what she is talking about.

[Holmes]

With the not

interested behaviour, you need to give a little then pull right back, give a little, pull right back. If you just

act completely uninterested you run the risk of her genuinely believing that you're not.

Maybe one day say

something nice to her, something that no-one else will say and that she hasn't heard before, so she'll remember

it. Maybe pick a part of her that wouldn't get much attention and compliment her on it, like "you have really

graceful hands."
So much more believable if it's something so specific and unusual.

Then act

uninterested, as opposed to just uninterested all of the time.

Excellent, excellent advice. 100%

true.

Obsequiousness = suicide.

[leto44]

Ok, I'll use the SOE. Now tell

me how to combine it with other products, or maybe just SOE?


I'll purchase 2 or 3 products at least so I want

to know witch one.

Sorry about the late

response.
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[SyraBrian]

Do something dangerous with her.

It probably should be a dangerous but safe activity like riding exciting amusement park rides together. Shared

adrenaline breeds shared bonding and possibly shared affection.

[tounge]

Do something

dangerous with her. It probably should be a dangerous but safe activity like riding exciting amusement park rides

together. Shared adrenaline breeds shared bonding and possibly shared affection.




Hee

Hee. I think the RICH and FAMOUS model is providing her with all the adrenaline she needs.

All the advice

aside, this ballgame is over. (actually was never started) Fantasy is not reality.

[leto44]

tounge, you're allmost right,

but there's something strange about her and that is what I want to use. It's imposible without any help, but if

the mones work on 20% of what the people here say, I may got any chance. If you read carefully you'll see that she

may be even a lesbian!

Don't get me wrong all, but I'm not crazy about her and if nothing happend - no problem.

But she's the perfect girl to try pheros on and if something work out will be absolutely

unbelievable.

SyraBrian, if I could get her to a ride she'll may be seduced already.

:)
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[Holmes]

tounge, you're

allmost right, but there's something strange about her

Can you elaborate?

[leto44]

Can you

elaborate?
Well the girls are so crazy about her boyfriend they're freaking out, but she don't. It's

like if Jessica Alba wants to hang out with you're shure what to do. First you thought "I'm not shure if is wright

to go" but then your parrents tell you to accept her

offer.
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[Redeye]

Well the girls are

so crazy about her boyfriend they're freaking out, but she don't. It's like if Jessica Alba wants to hang out

with you're shure what to do. First you thought "I'm not shure if is wright to go" but then your parrents tell you

to accept her offer.

She sounds to me like she has her head screwed on. Her bf is probably with her

because she's not one of the girls desperate to be with him!
If she values herself why would she be any more

excited to be with him than he her?

[WorkingMann]

See thatøs the point..
If

youøre beautifull you don't want one of those that will do anything to be with you..
They wan't some counterplay

as if they don't wanna be with you and is that kinda way that we talked about..
She isn't one of those that care

much about him and that's why she's SPECIAL! :thumbsup:
See..?
All the other girls is all over him but she's

not.. She catches his attention and therefor he's with her..
And the same is applying to her..
If he were one of

those that was all over her she wouldn't be with him..

And here you need to be the same way towards her..
If

you're not all over her etc. and play the game you got a chance..
And when (if she) she starts getting interest in

you the mones will help you a little here.. Every action you do right will be done a little better to her than if

you didn't wear mones..
So only enhances the things you're already doin.. And hereby I mean the things you do

right..

[leto44]

Maybe there is a counterplay, but

she's real prety too. I know why he liked her but I don't understand why she don't get crazy for him! She may

did, I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I heard. So what other products should I buy than

SoE?
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[visual999]

improve your style - wear

classic stuff that you can't go wrong with

improve your looks, be groomed, work out.

Most importantly -

first figure out what you want from her, do you wanna get laid, relationship, or marriage? Would you feel

comfortable standing next to a woman like that?

[SyraBrian]

The good news is that anybody

who's ever watched a romantic comedy knows that all rich, famous and handsome men are inherently self-obsessed,

arrogant and dismissive of their girlfriend's opinions.

So to pull a typical romantic comedy move, lock

her in a closet containing a television that will, until she comes to her senses and agrees to be with you, show

nothing but that type of romantic comedy. ;)

[Holmes]

The good news is

that anybody who's ever watched a romantic comedy knows that all rich, famous and handsome men are inherently

self-obsessed, arrogant and dismissive of their girlfriend's opinions.

So to pull a typical romantic

comedy move, lock her in a closet containing a television that will, until she comes to her senses and agrees to be

with you, show nothing but that type of romantic comedy. ;)

:lol::lol:

[visual999]

You could also hire a hot

elite prostitute to seduce her boyfriend and make her catch him in the act. Then add some SoE and you'll be the

shoulder of choice to cry on... while those romantic comedies are running in the background :D

[leto44]

For me, a friendly talk will be a

success. Everything above that will be a miracle. A success with her will be a total proof for the pheromones,

unsuccess - disprooves nothing.

visual999 I'm working out for some years now, but I can't afford to wear the

most expensive clotches so I'll have to do it with my not so expensive

ones.
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[WorkingMann]

For me, a

friendly talk will be a success. Everything above that will be a miracle. A success with her will be a total proof

for the pheromones, unsuccess - disprooves nothing.

visual999 I'm working out for some years now, but I can't

afford to wear the most expensive clotches so I'll have to do it with my not so expensive ones.

You

don't need to wear things of pure gold and stuff that's SO expensive.. You can also find cheaper things (and

clothes) that's good looking and aint that expensive..

[leto44]

You don't

need to wear things of pure gold and stuff that's SO expensive.. You can also find cheaper things (and clothes)

that's good looking and aint that expensive..

Yeah, I know that. I wear known brands and they aren't

that expensive, but not the real fancy kind of clotches. I look like a normal guy, too normal, nothing special.

Everything I've got as a plus is in my mind (my brain) not in my

outlook.
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[WorkingMann]

Yeah, I know

that. I wear known brands and they aren't that expensive, but not the real fancy kind of clotches. I look like a

normal guy, too normal, nothing special. Everything I've got as a plus is in my mind (my brain) not in my

outlook.
You can make your outer you look attracting by working out.. And little things can do you cloth

cool.. Find belts that are cool and not everybody wears.. Necklaces.. Rings.. Good smells.. There's nothing wrong

in goin in the "cheap" clothe we can afford (because we aren't millionares) but if you make it different it's

fine..
Set your hair so it's nice.. Perhaps ask your hairdresser what would suit you.. They're very into style

and hairfashion at the moment so they can always help.. Plus if you're not always that good about finding out about

your hair a woman help is always good to get..
Make yourself interesteting..
You can do this in many ways.. Some

do it by goin to something they can talk about that's interesting.. Everything can be cool as long you see it from

the right angel! Fx. piano (everybody thinks guitar is more cool) but if you can play some music really good with a

good tone people thinks it's cool.. The same with violin etc..
Or you can learn magic tricks, hakky sack or

something..

I normally don't do all these kinda things but just ideas because she perhaps could be a hard nut to

crack.. :lol:
But find out what kinda image you want and then work it.. if you go around playin hakky sack up

against the wall and it looks really cool it could help, or you plain piano so everybody could hear how good it

sounds it would help.. Or you goin past her, making a flower go "puff" in front of her, give it to her and walk by..

The next time it will most likely have made an impression..
:wub:

Also remember that most often looks aint the

key thing for women.. As long you don't look like a bum it's your personality that's attracting..

But just

remember not to mix to many "different styles"..
But good luck.. I think you're gonna need it :lol:

[leto44]

Definitely!

:lol:
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[WorkingMann]

Definitely!

:lol:

If you see David DeAngelo's video's (6 of 2 hours seminar) he tells a lot about these and it

helps good poportion..

[leto44]

I heard of him, but I never

watched his seminars. I'll watch them.
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[Marlboro_man]

I too have studied David D

for a while. What I learned is that he has some great idea's that really work and some that are so-so but what he

says that means the most is that your words and actions need to be congruent with the rest of you. In other words

listen to his seminars, improve your inner game, and adopt your own self based on some of his principles as well as

your own.

[WorkingMann]

Year it's not all usable

but use what suits you..

[leto44]

Do you mean some of

these?

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[Marlboro_man]

Do you mean

some of

these?

http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=

David+DeAngelo&ext=&op=and (http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=David+DeAngelo&ext=&op=and)

Yep, I don't know what that web site is but that is the correct stuff.

I would start with the DYD e-book and then do the advanced dating series.

[WorkingMann]

Do you mean

some of

these?

http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=

David+DeAngelo&ext=&op=and (http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=David+DeAngelo&ext=&op=and)

David DeAngelo - Double Your Dating - Video Series

3.82 GB
Seeds 30
Leechers 19

And the link adress till the torrent is:

http://isohunt.com/download/6095681/david+deangelo

There's all 6 movies in..

[leto44]

:) It's unbelievable what you

can find on the internet. :hammer: :cheers: :drunk:

:lol:
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[SwingerMD]

Leto44,

Wonderful advice that

you're getting here, esp. Redeye's advice on pushing & pulling away from her.

I'd also like to add something

else, be sure to go after/test pheromones on other women. First it opens up your options, second it provides you

with pratice (at the very least) on dating skills, and it is one of the ways that you can push away from her.



As for phero advice, be very wary of using PI. It is very easy to OD on this heavy -none product. In fact I'd

also put Rogue Male and NPA in this category as well. I do encourage you to experiment with them though. You can

get some of the most unbelieveable rxns with them, if skillfully used (and some luck, phase of the moon, . . . etc

tossed in as well). In other words don't use this around her or anyone that you are really into until you have

some experience using them. I use them in mixes with SOE (7SOE:3None product).

-SwingerMD

[leto44]

Yeah, I'll take the advices and

I'll use the SoE first then the mixes.
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[gfunk]

This was a rather amusing thread

and I have one tiny suggestion: drop the whole thing! Why do you want to bother with

this when there's millions of other women out there to play with instead??? :POKE:

For one she's out of

your league and two she's already taken!

Now, if all you want is to see if pheromones work then I still suggest

you go try it with someone else. And there might also be the chance of her not being that receptive to mones in the

first place. Not all women are!

But whatever you do it's not my problem and I wish you the best of

luck in everything you might do. :D

[AdrenaIine]

Yep, that's

definetly the hardest of all I have in mind.

I'm not scared that I'll end where I started. If it wasn't this

forum I would not even started. I really count to the pheros, without it, I don't have any chances.

About me?

When I was younger chicks liked me but then something happend and I haven't relationship with a woman for a long

time. This thing fall out from the sky for me man.
First of all the chicks don't start conversation with me, I

allways start first. I'm shy sometimes, but only sometimes. I'm not the quiet type, I talk very much, too much and

I know that's a problem. But one thing I know, I'm not the sexy kind-a-guy. The chicks rarely smiled at me and

they are not happy to see me. It's very strange, I allways think it's something about my look.
How about

you get a good diet, work out in the gym, clean up your dress and appearance, work on your social skills, become

more of a personality figure, and THEN consider pheromones as giving you a slight boost in kicking down more social

barriers between you and her.

[osit]

pics of the girl ftw!. One thing

to remember is that there is never anyone out of your league. With that mentality you are bound to be that

shy, conversation initiator type that you dont want to be. Start working on your confidence because there is nothing

worse than fake confidence because it is easily portrayed by your actions, words. Before you begin to make moves on

this broad, think about what you have to offer and what you have that would make her dump her 1st bf who took her

virginity and probably alot of firsts. I would assume that he is confident because girls are flocking him so my

advice would be to try to not act like him, dress like him or be like him because if she does end up leaving him,

she would not want to be recommitted to a similar person. Be original and have other options. Girls are not

attracted to guys that are attracted to them!!, as shallow as that sounds. Let her know that you are a wanted guy!

She is used to being gawked at so dont stare too long. Instead whenever you are in the room be that person that

people want to talk to, smile and act like you want to be there. Try to be included in conversations and dont be

that guy that is in the corner looking boring because she will notice. This is probably a long post but i tell you

this first hand because i was in a position much like yours. In the end of it all, i did get the girl but when she

came around it was too late. I wasnt interested anymore because i had options"other girls", confident, outgoing and

have something to talk about all the time! Good luck :cheers:

P.S, i think she is still single and calls me

once in a while and still gorgeous.

[osit]

It would also help to stay healthy.

Scrawny and weak looking is not attractive. Work out like adrenaline said, which you would produce natural

pheromones anyway. Its in womens nature to want to be safe.

[Redeye]

Healthy is good, but don't work

out too much! Most women I know couldn't care less about a man's physique. Women tend to notice faces more than

bodies and I personally prefer slim men - just so that all you men out there who struggle to muscle up don't worry

too much.

[Holmes]

Women tend to notice

faces more

And personality! And intelligence. At least the kinda womens I enjoy knowing.

Now,

can anyone tell me where they sell personality and intelligence? And ski masks, while we're at it?

[Gegogi]

I'm found lots of attractive

women prefer slim men. I work out daily but strive for a toned and healthy look. My last GF was afraid I might

become too buff--a look she hates. Didn't happen as you really have to be hardcore to get all ripped

looking.

You can't buy personality and intelligence yet--flash memory upgrades in our future?--but you can

certainly work your ass off and improve and refine yourself.

[leto44]

I'm back. I had to concentrate

to some other things and I forgot to write.

I started to analize the men with hot girlfriends and I found that

not everyone's good looking. Some of my friends are not. They don't look attractive, don't wear expensive

clotches and no money at all. But this is maybe one ot a ten, the other nine are good looking or a little below

that.

The question is what is that thing that makes this one guy so attractive to women? Pheromones?

I guy I

know is like a magnet. People's girlfriends are flirting with him in front of their boy friends. It's

unbeliavable.

Scientist have to test this guy in a laboratory.

And I'm sure it's not because of his

personality, he attract them a minute after they

met.
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[SwingerMD]

I'm back.

I had to concentrate to some other things and I forgot to write.

I started to analize the men with hot

girlfriends and I found that not everyone's good looking. Some of my friends are not. They don't look attractive,

don't wear expensive clotches and no money at all. But this is maybe one ot a ten, the other nine are good looking

or a little below that.

The question is what is that thing that makes this one guy so attractive to women?

Pheromones?

I guy I know is like a magnet. People's girlfriends are flirting with him in front of their boy

friends. It's unbeliavable.

Scientist have to test this guy in a laboratory.

And I'm sure it's not

because of his personality, he attract them a minute after they met.


There are lot of non-verbal

and non-pheromone things that a person can do in that first minute to attract someone. Watch his body language, how

he says things, etc . . . .

-SwingerMD

[leto44]

I watched him, he's realy shy to

the people he don't know.
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[SwingerMD]

I watched

him, he's realy shy to the people he don't know.

A lot of people say the same about me. There are

certain parts of shyness that can be a turn-on or a turn-off. If you play it right, you'll have women stumbling

over each other to pry you open.

Anyhow I highly doubt it is just one thing that have women fighting over

him.

-SwingerMD

[leto44]

Maybe there are alot of things,

but it's the look, the clotches or the cool behaviour. Maybe he is charismatic or something. There is one girl, she

is unbelievably beautifull, met me and startet ask me about him, I called him and when they met, they got away. They

don't even asked me if I wan't to go with them! I wasn't even there! It's strange to me even, how can this guy

be so magnetic to the women!?
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