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belgareth
01-04-2007, 01:34 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/

s/livescience/20070102/sc_livescience/howwomenpickmatesvsflings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070102/sc_livescience/howwomenpickmatesvsflings)

We've seen a lot of this before but its

worth reading:

Abigail W. Leonard
Special to LiveScience
LiveScience.com


Tue Jan 2, 2007







Science might be able to explain our fascination with Brad Pitt's

chiseled jaw and George Clooney's smoldering eyes.
Women seem to judge

potential mates by how masculine their features are, new research shows. Men with square jaws and well-defined brow

ridges are seen as good short-term partners, while those with more feminine traits such as a rounder face and fuller

lips are perceived as better long-term mates.
In the study, 854 male

and female subjects viewed a series of male head shots that had been digitally altered to exaggerate or minimize

masculine traits. The participants then answered questions about how they expected the men in the photos to behave.


Overwhelmingly, participants said those with more masculine features

were likely to be risky and competitive and also more apt to fight, challenge bosses, cheat on spouses and put less

effort into parenting. Those with more feminine faces were seen as good parents and husbands, hard workers and

emotionally supportive mates [compare examples].
Despite all the

negative attributes, when asked who they would choose for a short-term relationship, women still selected the more

masculine looking men. Brad and George then would be picks for a brief romance, if not the long

haul.

Makes sense



The study, detailed in

the December issue of the journal Personal Relationships, reached conclusions similar to research published earlier

last year in Britain.
The new study's author, Daniel Kruger at the

University of Michigan's School of Public Health, said that from an evolutionary perspective, it makes sense women

would view more masculine-looking men as potential flings and less masculine-looking ones as long-term partners.


The key, he said, is testosterone, the hormone responsible for

development of masculine facial features and other secondary sexual characteristics.


Testosterone is necessary for development, but can also have

detrimental health effects. It has been shown, for example, to interfere with the body's immune response, so men

who are able to maintain high levels of the hormone are typically strong and healthy—traits women would want to pass

on to their progeny.
Increased testosterone has also been linked to

male cheating and violence in relationships, so while these men might produce high quality offspring, they don't

always make great parents or faithful mates, Kruger says.
The study

suggests women could be equipped to use seemingly superficial characteristics "as a cue to pick up on trends in

these behavioral strategies," Kruger said.



Get a clue



There are plenty of these signals in the animal world. Male peacocks'

huge, outrageous tails can make foraging for food and evading predators difficult, but the plumage, which many

researchers say indicates male fitness, is so effective at luring females that the trait has been preserved in the

population, Kruger points out.
While the findings are compelling, the

scientific community has typically greeted the field of physiognomy, which links facial characteristics to certain

behavioral traits, with skepticism.
Kruger argues, however, that the

research is a valuable tool for understanding mating strategies. And, of course, for explaining how Pitt and Clooney

managed to snag People Magazine's "Sexiest Man Alive" title two times each—it might have to do with their genes,

but could also have something to do with ours.

gecko
01-04-2007, 02:34 PM
hehe

i was about to post the

same link, bel.

here are a few more (sorry if they've already been

linked):

http://www.livescience.com/h

umanbiology/060213_attraction_rules.html (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060213_attraction_rules.html)

that article talks about symmetry, waist-to-hip ratios, 'mones,

etc.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbio

logy/041104_sex_and_smell.html (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/041104_sex_and_smell.html)

that one talks about the scent of

men

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiolog

y/060118_armpit_odor.html (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060118_armpit_odor.html)

that one about the scent of women


there was an article a while back talking

about 'mone research studies. this one study was based on -rone, but i can't find it (i can't remember where i

saw it, but i think it was either yahoo news or cnn news). i'll post it if i ever come across it again if anyone's

interested.

belgareth
01-04-2007, 02:40 PM
That's great, good articles.

Gegogi
01-04-2007, 05:26 PM
I guess that sorta explains the

type of women I tend to attract. I have no problem attracting women--although I have a round face and more

feminine-like traits--but they too often wanta get married and make babies. And that dad burn topic comes up real

fast. And I just wanta have fun and sow ma wild oats...

jvkohl
01-04-2007, 06:51 PM
A paragraph from my forthcoming

journal article/book chapter takes the visual focus of most articles to its olfactory origin:

"In accord with

the learned sexuality motivational theory of behavior, preferences for extremely masculine or extremely feminine

physical features have been attributed to learning mechanisms that allow extreme examples to generate stronger

responses. For example, the increased androgenic natural body odor production of a dominant male might be involved

in a learning mechanism that is associated with his visibly perceived masculine physical features (Havlicek,

Roberts, & Flegr, 2005). Similarly, cyclic androgenic, estrogenic, and progesteronic influences on the natural body

odor production of women might be involved in a learning mechanism associated with visual cues during fertility

cycles (Havlıcek, Dvorakova, Bartos, & Flegr, 2006). In other mammals, pheromones associated with reproductive

fitness and fertility coordinate properly timed reproductive sexual behavior. This would help to explain how a

man’s sexual preference for the scent of high-estrogen ovulatory phase women (Singh & Bronstad, 2001) could acquire

functional significance in properly timed human reproductive sexual behavior."

You can look up the abstracts

for the citations included via a medline search at

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed

In any case, visual appeal in the absence

of olfactory appeal/conditioning is absent in the animal kingdom. Thus, homo sapiens is the only species that could

buy into the visual model of attraction that is commonly used to explain our interest in the opposite sex, with all

too common examples: Brad Pitt; George Clooney? It used to be Tom Cruise.




JVK


bronzie
01-04-2007, 08:43 PM
great article, just to add to

this, i read once, i cant remember the source, but it went along the lines, that...men with facial hair and gruff

looking are more attractive sexually to a woman when she is on her period (im not sure which phase) and at other

times of the month women do prefer men clean shaven, with a more delicate finer almost feminine face to that of an

overtly masculine man

this theory, seems also too tag the line of pheromone use, women during thier period

react sexually and positive to the masculine pheromone Androstenone, and when they are not ovulating, they enjoy the

bieng exposed to the unisex pheromone Androstenol.

femininity is much more fetishised in society in every

way, from the shape of cars, to even electronic gadgets, most have feminine overtones, im not suprised that men that

exibit a overt feminine side are also desired by women, women are sarcsistic by nature, and a man that puts up a

mirror that allows her to glipse the familiar is very seductive.

although bieng masculine in action is also

seductive, having a good mix of both seems to work.

i read that this is what is called, sexual polarity, the

more butch the female is, the more feminine the male she desires, and visa versa

gegogi, one thing that asian

men do have in abundance is a feminine streak, (ofcourse im generalising) this is a good thing for the guys, as ive

seen alot of women attracted to this, especially younger white women under 21 often with fem looking asian

men...

we have to remember, we are all born female, well we all develop as female in the womb, its not

suprising women have this intuition to seek fem traits or even other girls...

Gegogi
01-05-2007, 12:53 AM
gegogi, one thing that

asian men do have in abundance is a feminine streak, (ofcourse im generalising) this is a good thing for the guys,

as ive seen alot of women attracted to this, especially younger white women under 21 often with fem looking asian

men...

Of course, the perception of Asian men being being feminine is mainly due to our small and slender

frames and less body hair compared to anglo males. This perception is mainly limited to Western culture and not the

norm in the East. Asian women rarely consider me "feminine," although White women often do and I suppose that's

part of their attraction to me. Oddly most Asian males I know have extremely macho mindsets and are aggressive and

tough as hell. But, yeah, most of my White girlfriends had far more hair on their legs than me! Got some whisker

burns from odd places as well...

gecko
01-05-2007, 07:40 AM
i found the article i was talking

about before. i don't remember exactly why i didn't post a link. it's either b/c the article is from 1996 or b/c

someone else had already posted a link (sorry again if the link has already been

posted).

http://health.yahoo.com/topic/sexualhealth/overview/article/pt/Psychology_Today_articles_pto-19960301-00

0030 (http://health.yahoo.com/topic/sexualhealth/overview/article/pt/Psychology_Today_articles_pto-19960

301-000030)

the article talks about -rone a lot less than i'd remembered. it also talks about major

histocompatibility complex (MHC) & how women, in general, preferred men w/MHC profiles that "varied the most from

their own.... Hence, any given man's odour could be pleasingly alluring to one woman, yet an offensive turnoff to

another." what i found interesting was that women who were on the pill reportedly felt "attracted to men she

wouldn't normally notice if she were not on birth control -- men who have similar MHC profiles."

here's a link

to an article that talks about -mones supposedly pointing to sexual

orientation:

http://health.yahoo.com

/news/147650;_ylt=ApEeMAkg_8_YsBIQPvf5uS9Lvs8F (http://health.yahoo.com/news/147650;_ylt=ApEeMAkg_8_YsBIQPvf5uS9Lvs8F)

a research paper on "male steroid hormones and female

preference for male body

odor":

http://users.utu.fi/mjranta/reprints/Rant

ala_etal2006.pdf (http://users.utu.fi/mjranta/reprints/Rantala_etal2006.pdf)

and a research paper on

-nol:

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/re

print/jpet.105.098319v1.pdf (http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/jpet.105.098319v1.pdf)


i didn't get to read the research papers in their entirety, though. the new

semester starts next week & i still have tons of homework for the first week of classes.

hope at the very least

some people find the links interesting.