View Full Version : Unattractive or intimidating?
MagicPower
12-05-2006, 05:41 AM
Sometimes, a pheromone product makes girls appear completely uninterested in me
(the invisible man effect).
When girls pay no attention to me or even
walk away from me, it can mean two things.
It could mean that I don't
appear masculine enough, i.e. women don't consider me a prospective mate. If that were the case, I would need to
try a more sexual-type pheromone.
On the other hand, it could mean that I
appear too masculine and threatening. If that were the case, I should use a more fiendly-type
pheromone.
How can I tell which way it is? What signs should I look out
for, in order to be able to tell whether a pheromone product makes me appear not masculine enough or too
masculine?
How can I tell which
way it is? What signs should I look out for, in order to be able to tell whether a pheromone product makes me appear
not masculine enough or too masculine?
Generally, any products with androstenone will make you seem
more dominant. Too much will make you seem intimidating.
The only product I've found with the opposite
effect -- making you seem friendly and approachable -- is WAGG (and that's the product I use because anything with
androstenone totally scares 'em off. I'm intimidating enough as it is!).
So try a product with androstenone
in it, like Alpha-7, and try WAGG for the opposite effect to see what works for you.
Bruce
12-05-2006, 12:34 PM
Magic,
There is tremendous magic
in a smile. People want to have a good time as a rule, and being with someone who looks like they are having a good
time works right along with that goal. A little WAGG, a little LT maybe, and a dab of good will.... you can't go
wrong.
Peace and Love,
B
MagicPower
12-06-2006, 07:24 AM
Generally, any products with androstenone will make you seem more dominant. Too much
will make you seem intimidating.
So that would have been the case at the
party where I was last week?
There were 12 people (4M, 8F). I was wearing Alter
Ego. The two alpha females kept flirting with me throughout the evening, and even playfully competing for me,
whereas a lovely shy girl whom I was actually more interested in, wouldn't even look me in the eye, and once when I
was standing next to her, she actually walked farther away.
Would you say that's
a sign of too much -none?
The only product I've found with the
opposite effect -- making you seem friendly and approachable -- is WAGG
I
don't have WAGG but I just got WAGG-N and tried it once and it didn't seem to do anything. Gotta try
again.
So try a product with androstenone in it, like Alpha-7
I've been using Primal Instinct a lot, and the funny thing is that I
have never noticed any reactions whatsoever.
Thanks for the reply anyway, I'll
go on experimenting with different mones.
There is tremendous
magic in a smile. People want to have a good time as a rule, and being with someone who looks like they are having a
good time works right along with that goal.
Yeah, right. You forgot to
add: bring her flowers and take her dancing.
maxo-texas
12-06-2006, 10:13 AM
Wagg-N gave me one of my two
negative self hits.
Otherwise, your post sounds like a classic -none overdose post. Maybe your natural -none is
already high.
Bruce has excellent advice.
1) Smile
I'd also say
2) Square off
3) Keep good posture.
4)
Know and use their names.
5) Find appropriate reasons to touch them in safe places (hands, shoulder).
MagicPower
12-07-2006, 03:34 AM
Wagg-N gave
me one of my two negative self hits.
Pardon my ignorance but what does "negative self hits" mean?
smooth312
12-07-2006, 11:24 AM
a dab of good
will...
Hey Bruce, I couldn't find "good will" on the main site, do you have a link where I can get
some?
Thanks.
^to the OP, it sounds to me you may be overdosing on the -none.
MagicPower
12-08-2006, 05:59 AM
it sounds to me you may be overdosing on the
-none.
All right, everything's
logical so far. Reading the above, I would agree myself that it's a pretty clear case of -none OD. (Except that
getting it from 2 drops of AE seems quite an achievement.)
But now,
let's make things complicated. Not that I expect anybody to solve my problems for me, but this might be an
intellectual challenge for you.
The above-expressed assumption that I
seem to be naturally high on -none is in grave contradiction with my long-time experiences. You see, I can get
pretty much any girl agree to go out on a date (that is without any 'mones), but I can't get them into bed
afterwards. Sometimes they look outright surprised when I suggest after a date that we'd go over to my place or
something. You can imagine how offending it is when I've spent hours with a girl who appears to be eating from my
palm, and then suddenly she has this question written all over her face: "Where on Earth did you get the idea that I
would have SEX with you?" And in spite of that, they're quite willing to date me again, and again, and again. In
short, I'm a typical case of a "nice guy" women like to be with and talk to, but won't consider as a sex
partner.
Different women have also made it clear that they don't consider
me physically threatening. For instance, they've been very surprised learning that I do martial arts, and said they
would have never expected that.
I think that would suggest I'm
naturally high on -nol and low on -none, wouldn't it?
Experts, any
idea how to explain that contradiction?
Bruce, just to save your time,
I do smile. Believe it or not, I also brush my teeth, and I don't fart in the presence of other people. So let's
skip that part and get to the point.
ThatGuy
12-08-2006, 06:30 AM
The above-expressed assumption that I seem to be
naturally high on -none is in grave contradiction with my long-time experiences. You see, I can get pretty much any
girl agree to go out on a date (that is without any 'mones), but I can't get them into bed afterwards. Sometimes
they look outright surprised when I suggest after a date that we'd go over to my place or something. You can
imagine how offending it is when I've spent hours with a girl who appears to be eating from my palm, and then
suddenly she has this question written all over her face: "Where on Earth did you get the idea that I would have SEX
with you?" And in spite of that, they're quite willing to date me again, and again, and again. In short, I'm a
typical case of a "nice guy" women like to be with and talk to, but won't consider as a sex
partner.
Different women have also made it clear that they don't consider me
physically threatening. For instance, they've been very surprised learning that I do martial arts, and said they
would have never expected that.
I think that would suggest I'm naturally high
on -nol and low on -none, wouldn't it?
Experts, any idea how to explain that
contradiction?
Bruce, just to save your time, I do smile. Believe it or not, I
also brush my teeth, and I don't fart in the presence of other people. So let's skip that part and get to the
point.
That problem has probably nothing to do with mones or your own
natural mone output.
It is more likely your own behavior that causes it.
I have been on dates were I
had great rapport with the girl where we both had a great time but I got the same results as you did when I tried to
bring it to a physical level.
The solutions is kino – i.e. touching the girl very early and gradually
escalate the touching in a natural way. Going from talking for two hours without any touching to suddenly suggesting
sex is simply to abrupt for many women.
You see, I can get pretty much any girl agree to go
out on a date (that is without any 'mones), but I can't get them into bed afterwards. Sometimes they look outright
surprised when I suggest after a date that we'd go over to my place or something. You can imagine how offending it
is when I've spent hours with a girl who appears to be eating from my palm, and then suddenly she has this question
written all over her face: "Where on Earth did you get the idea that I would have SEX with you?" And in spite of
that, they're quite willing to date me again, and again, and again.
Magic, that sounds like needing a very little steering.
Once you meet a girl on such a date, execuse yourself
in the first 5 mins, and go apply nomore than 1 drop of PI, or even half drop to your neck.
That may tip the
evening for you, from 'nice guy' to 'desired'.
maxo-texas
12-08-2006, 10:19 AM
Negative self hit.
I use
this to describe when putting a mone on makes me feel bad.
I have a pretty tight reign on my emotions most the
time and I can usually recognize when they are behaving wierdly without any logical reason. If I have unexplainable
strong bad feelings when using a mone, I think of that mone as negatively affecting me.
They are right about the
touching-- starting it early starts chemical and mental processes in the girl. Think about yourself this
way.
1)
A girl you have gotten comfortable with and laughed with for a few hours leans towards you.. and when
you lean toward her she kisses you.
2)
A pretty girl that you think is kinda hot after chatting with you for a
few minutes and you are thinking about asking her out and she suddenly leans forward and starts kissing you.
3)
A pretty girl walking past you that you know nothing about suddenly veers over and starts kissiing
you.
Probably reactions.
1) You like it.
2) You may not feel comfortable.
3) You will probably violently
withdraw and feel suspicious and wonder what the hell is going on. Is someone trying to rob you. Etc.
terry0400-40
12-08-2006, 02:08 PM
All right, everything's logical so far. Reading the
above, I would agree myself that it's a pretty clear case of -none OD. (Except that getting it from 2 drops of AE
seems quite an achievement.)
But now, let's make things complicated.
Not that I expect anybody to solve my problems for me, but this might be an intellectual challenge for
you.
The above-expressed assumption that I seem to be naturally high on
-none is in grave contradiction with my long-time experiences. You see, I can get pretty much any girl agree to go
out on a date (that is without any 'mones), but I can't get them into bed afterwards. Sometimes they look outright
surprised when I suggest after a date that we'd go over to my place or something. You can imagine how offending it
is when I've spent hours with a girl who appears to be eating from my palm, and then suddenly she has this question
written all over her face: "Where on Earth did you get the idea that I would have SEX with you?" And in spite of
that, they're quite willing to date me again, and again, and again. In short, I'm a typical case of a "nice guy"
women like to be with and talk to, but won't consider as a sex
partner.
Different women have also made it clear that they don't consider
me physically threatening. For instance, they've been very surprised learning that I do martial arts, and said they
would have never expected that.
I think that would suggest I'm
naturally high on -nol and low on -none, wouldn't it?
Experts, any
idea how to explain that contradiction?
Bruce, just to save your time,
I do smile. Believe it or not, I also brush my teeth, and I don't fart in the presence of other people. So let's
skip that part and get to the point.
MAGIC hi nice guy, being nice is a most wonderfull quality, so good on you, and i agree it
will not necessarily get you wasted i mean that in the very best of ways.But it can cause a
real lot of wasted downtime, so the best strategy would be to convey the message from the outset that you are a nice
guy ok great but a sexy nice guy or a sexy hot nice guy,
you will not be wasting time this way, and it will lead to more getting wasted wantonly wasted
we are dealing with numbers and percentages now as some girls do and some girls dont
and some girls just wont, and some girls just love it and there are
some girls who cant get enough, SO Slap a good mix on and go and do
your thing and be noticed, and just who are you You sexy hot nice guy.
hit hit HIT hit HIT hit HIT on them. Winers play the numbers
Thats the name of the game. GO 4 WHAT U WANT , life is so simple and
time is sliping slowly away.:thumbsup:
MagicPower
12-09-2006, 04:50 AM
That problem has probably nothing to do with mones or your own natural mone
output. It is more likely your own behavior that causes it.
Guess so.
Thanks.
A pretty girl walking past you that you know
nothing about suddenly veers over and starts kissiing
you.
[---]
3) You will probably violently
withdraw and feel suspicious and wonder what the hell is going on.
So
sorry to disappoint you, but I really wouldn't mind. The other two alternatives would be really nice, too, and if
you asked me which one of the three I'd prefer, it would be rather hard to choose.
:-)
Of course, it is quite clear to me that women are dirrerent.
that sounds like needing a very little steering. Once you meet a girl on such a
date, execuse yourself [---] and go apply nomore than 1 drop of PI[---].
That may tip the
evening for you, from 'nice guy' to 'desired'.
Sounds
like a good idea. Thanks a lot, I'll try it.
Btw, this sounds interesting to
discuss further. Has anybody else noticed any 'mones that make women more comfortable with the idea of being
touched, or even actually wishing you'd touch them?
d3kst3r
12-13-2006, 07:06 PM
My theory is that you need to at
least mirror the mones you're wearing otherwise they'll have a negative affect.
If you wear lots of -none but
act extremely timid and shy then people are going to be extremely hostile. If you act dominant however then you'll
get respect from it.
Gegogi
12-13-2006, 07:21 PM
My theory is that you need
to at least mirror the mones you're wearing otherwise they'll have a negative affect.
If you wear lots of -none
but act extremely timid and shy then people are going to be extremely hostile. If you act dominant however then
you'll get respect from it.
I agree, for best results, your words, action and appearance should match
and/or complement your pheromone signature. Nevertheless, I have not once experienced hostily or even indifference
while wearing 'none products and going stealth. I can basically turn off my personality, assume buddha face and
almost melt into the wall. In said state I'm oft perceived as shy or even unfriendly. Also, I don't find it
necessary to be cocky, overbearing or obviously social dominant to be treated with respect. However you can project
an alpha aural by how you carry yourself, use your eyes and even manner of dress. The truth is, it's not a single
aspect of behavior but the sum of many little things than help complement your pheromone signature project the image
you desire.
MagicPower
12-14-2006, 07:41 AM
you need to at least mirror the mones you're wearing [---]. If you wear
lots of -none but act extremely timid and shy then people are going to be extremely
hostile.
I agree, but I don't really meet much hostility. My problem is that I
don't seem to be able to interpret people's reactions correctly. I can't figure out whether I should try to
appear more masculine or less masculine.
terry0400-40
12-14-2006, 10:19 AM
I agree, but I don't really meet much hostility. My problem is that I
don't seem to be able to interpret people's reactions correctly. I can't figure out whether I should try to
appear more masculine or less masculine.
Fu*k other
peoples reactions, just be what you are naturally and please yourself, dont worry the rest of the world will fall
into line, the only positive way you can change is to become more loving as a person, because just because people
dont recognise the spiritual side of themselves doesent stop it from manifesting very real effects in their lives,
pheromones or no pheromones, pheromones will have an effect on you the wearer just wear that one or combo that makes
you feel good and then it will enhance your signiture which is unique to you and no one else anyway and you will
attract that what you have an affinity for, in life we are never going to be attractive to every one, except maby
for the wrong reasons like money or power or fame or looks even still it is of no lasting advantage to you in the
building of the real man which is not an instant thing but takes a lifetime of refining so all you can really do is
just relax and be who you are as far as your chemistry is, enhanced or otherwise, as other personalities will still
have their gut feelings to what is real in their perceptions and a none genuine person or a person who is acting is
easily discerned on different levels either subconscious or conscious, A person can never perpetuate or sustain that
which is not true and they will only become twisted and sick inside when they insist on being false and this always
manifests over time in sickness and disease of mind or body. So as i said find out what is a feel good combo that
you really like to wear and go for it and relax with your own level of masculinity whatever it may be, as it is
different 4 all of us, and dress in a manner that pleases you and then you will have better chances of attracting
that which you have an affinity for and vice versa, its so simple.:wave:
Gegogi
12-14-2006, 11:30 AM
I can't figure out
whether I should try to appear more masculine or less masculine.
I agree with Terry, be yourself. When I
was a young 'n dumb college student I was insecure and worried if I was masculine enough. In hindsight I realize
this was a total waste of time. If you try to be something your aren't you appear insincere, a mere poser. Once I
decided "damn the torpedos" and let it all hang out, I did much better. Most people accepted me at face value and
that was that. No loss at the few that didn't accept me. The most important personality trait is confidence and
security in who you are, and it really shows if you lack it. Be the real deal.
terry0400-40
12-14-2006, 01:38 PM
I agree with Terry, be yourself. When I was a young 'n dumb college student I was insecure and
worried if I was masculine enough. In hindsight I realize this was a total waste of time. If you try to be something
your aren't you appear insincere, a mere poser. Once I decided "damn the torpedos" and let it all hang out, I did
much better. Most people accepted me at face value and that was that. No loss at the few that didn't accept me. The
most important personality trait is confidence and security in who you are, and it really shows if you lack it. Be
the real deal.Listen to Gegogi because he has been there, i really never had
a formal schooling so he really knows where your at, especially as he knows also the edict of the learning
facilities and also the social structure and cultural aspects regarding life and culture of the younger man ect.
Also have a look at some of Slickracers posts and or threads as he is a young man who really knows how to select
pheromone products that suit him and that he enjoys wearing for the effects they display upon him first and formost,
Relax and keep up posting because we all wish you success in your endevours and we are here 4 you Magic Power.
:cheers:
MagicPower
12-15-2006, 06:53 AM
Fu*k other peoples reactions, just be what you are
naturally and please yourself, dont worry the rest of the world will fall into
line,
Don't give me such crap. For the fortunate few who can naturally
attract women, it's easy to laugh at those to whom the nature hasn't given that gift. For us the common mortals,
the statements like the one quoted are an outright insult. If there is one surefire way to devastating failure with
women, it's by acting naturally and speaking honestly.
If all that it takes is to be
yourself, why do you think are all those people buying pheromones? Actually... I wonder what are YOU doing in a
pheromone forum? :-))
Gegogi
12-15-2006, 11:02 AM
Ease up their Mr. Magic, you're
missing the point. Believe me, show me a poser and I'll show you an unhappy man, and a man out of touch with
himself and those around him. Assuming your natural state of being means setting goals you really want, striving
towards them and becoming the best that you can be. Out of shape? Eat organic and hit the gym for an hour daily. Got
butt breath? Practice dental hygiene. Look like a geek? Drag along a fashion conscious friend when shopping. Have
difficulty speaking in front of groups? Join toastmasters. Look like a guy with no future? Major in something you
love and rise to the top of your professsion.
Women are attracted to guys that are confident in themselves
and have a future. You have to project that in spades. Trying to be more or less masculine is a fast ticket to
poserland.
I'm an effeminate Asian male: slight of build, long fingernails, metromale dresser and work as a
musician. Inside I'm tough as hell, driven and goal oriented, but outside I appear delicate, gentle and somewhat
feminine. I gave up long ago trying to appear more macho. It just didn't work and made me appear insincere (fake
voice, swagger, etc.). Women can spot a poser in a nanosecond. However, once I exorcise my demons 'n got my ducks
in a row, the poonani poured in. And this was long before I used pheromones. Honestly, lots of women are attracted
to effeminate guys. Oceans of them. I didn't find that out until I said hell with it and decided to be myself--the
best self I could be--and focused on doing what I loved--music.
belgareth
12-15-2006, 11:15 AM
Gegogi and Terry are right, in
my opnion. Once you learn to be yourself and stop worrying about what others think you'll have better results. You
don't even need all the pieces. I'm a geek professionally, dress very casually and don't give a damn about style
but women are not any real problem for me. Even married I have opportunities regularly with very attractive women.
In part, its because I am not trying to attract them. Just having fun and enjoying life.
I should add that while
I agree with the general terms Gegogi used to define an alpha male I disagree on particular people he mentioned. But
that is probably more an issue of our own mindsets than anything else.
Marlboro_man
12-15-2006, 12:52 PM
Magic,
Please don't be
offended by this but I have read this whole thread several times and here is what I have concluded.
1)You over
value the power of mones. They aren't magic (sorry for the word choice) rather they are part of the equation, as
well as kino, smile, and cofidence are.
2) Girls tend to be more relationship driven while men tend to be more sex
driven, especially when younger. So basically your asking girls to have sex with you when they don't feel that your
a good long term mate. Reverse the rules: what if a girl made you date her for 2 years without so much as a kiss?
You would probably run too!
3)You seem to be trying to follow the footsteps of someone like david D (who I learned
a ton from) but your not getting the whole picture. He will tell you that he can't pick up every woman he meets.
Your inner game doesn't seem to be there, and that's what everyone is saying in their own way. The reason everyone
is telling you to be yourself is because the MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ATTRACT A WOMAN IS CONFIDENCE!!!, and you
don't seem to be showing it. I have been down this road before so I understand. You are trying to be someone you
are not and therefore it causes you to fail with the ladies on dates. It's easy to get numbers and stuff by
"acting" confident but it takes "being" confident to get more. Confidence means being your self regardless of what
others think, plain and simple!!!!
In conclusion take some time and get things right in your own head. I used to
be totally different than who I am now. I have changed to someone I wanted to become by reframing and focussing on
what I wanted to be. I can tell you it's not a fun process and you probably will lose most of your friends, so make
sure it's what you want. People do this all this time for example someone who was in the drug scene heavy decides
to go clean. In the process their personality changes, as well as their habbit's and friends. I wasn't comfortable
in my own skin before but now I AM. Simply put: Until you love yourself, don't expect any one else to love ya. I
hope you read this with an open mind, cause I can tell ya I have walked miles in your shoes, but in the end it was
all worth it.:cheers:
Marlboro_man
12-15-2006, 12:59 PM
Also, I forgot to say this
but it's real important. I don't always agree with what everyone on this site says but I always read it with an
open mind. I can tell you Bruce, Bel, and Oscar are very intelligent people and they are definitely worth listening
to, they don't talk just to talk, they think about what they say and care what they write. I can also say there
are many others on this forum (way too many to mention) that have tons of wisdom to share with you! Take Terry and
Geoggi for example in this post. I don't agree with every word they said, but they make some damn good points.
Best of luck to ya with this whole thing.
terry0400-40
12-15-2006, 01:00 PM
Don't give me such crap. For the fortunate few
who can naturally attract women, it's easy to laugh at those to whom the nature hasn't given that gift. For us the
common mortals, the statements like the one quoted are an outright insult. If there is one surefire way to
devastating failure with women, it's by acting naturally and speaking honestly.
If all
that it takes is to be yourself, why do you think are all those people buying pheromones? Actually... I wonder what
are YOU doing in a pheromone forum? :-))Hi
magic, i really started out to see if there were any products around that could be good enough to withstand the
scrutiny of direct sales like face to face. and good enough to get repeat sales, unfortunately there are no magic
bullets around, erum khaaaaar excuse me just clearing my throat,as yet well not amoungst my
30 different products at least ha ha, so i havent found anything that i could resell like face to face because the
effects of pheromones are suttle and there are many people who are looking for smack bang her right now instant
results, besides Magic i am personally really only interested mainly in the social aspects of the use of pheromones,
and also experimentation of the sexual woman attraction side which is very interesting as excellent results can be
obtained with the right product application and under the correct conditions to match, Phero Masters usually serve
an apprenticeship so to speak before becoming sutch and i can assure you they certainly have to develope patience
and observation skills, Now let me tell you one thing, Most women love getting attention from confident, interesting
presentable gentlemen, preferably emmiting a nice exotic fragrance, and an intelligent woman can discern what is
true and what is crap in a mans presentation, they are usually good at discerning these things, However there are
always some women around who will ALLOW themselves to fall for anything, as sometimes they are desperate for a mans
company and or love, I know one thing for sure and that is a man does not have to pretend in order to attract a
girl, I have had so much attention from women when i have been homeless and walking the streets barefoot, i found
that so many just wanted to take me home and use me all up, there really is no accounting for taste. BUT we here are
only offering advice, we dont get paid for it, but some of us have been around the block a few times and we have
learned a few things on the way because we have learned by our mistakes TRIAL AND ERROR, SO drink
free of the waters of knowledge we have to offer, the choice is yours.And whatever we wish you the
utmost success in your endevours.:thumbsup:
bronzie
12-15-2006, 01:07 PM
Great post terry, I dont think
anyone has ever summed this subject better than you, on this forum. Good stuff terry..
terry0400-40
12-15-2006, 01:31 PM
Great post terry, I dont think anyone has ever summed this subject better than you, on this forum.
Good stuff terry.. Your very modest Bronzie, I have learned so much from you
Pheromasters and your advice has saved me wasting my money on lots of crap that is always around, it is a bit of an
honour really when i get an applaud from guys like yourself and Gegogi and Belgareth. I myself have only had around
100 different women and girls that i have picked up and scored with so i really am not so experienced when compared
with a pick up artist, but i can honestly say i would be just as happy had it only been a few, because when it all
boils down, TRUE LASTING ENDURING HAPPINESS CAN BE FOUND IN GIVING TRUE LOVE TO ONE WOMAN. what more does a
man need. AS its ( ALL IN THE MIND ) Nevertheless we have are toys our fun our associations and best
of all we have a friend or two.:rant:
bronzie
12-15-2006, 01:39 PM
[FONT=Comic
Sans MS][COLOR=navy] I myself have only had around 100 different women and girls that i have picked up and scored
with so i really am not so experienced when compared with a pick up artist,
terry your older than me,
but 100 girls is pretty good by any persons standard i think, im aware that you have been hitched a few times too,
so you do have alot of experience under your belt with the fairer sex! hahaha, not saying that in the literal
sense!
maybe we should create a whole new post, seduction according to terry, or terry's method? :cheers:
terry0400-40
12-15-2006, 01:55 PM
terry your older than me, but 100 girls is pretty good by any persons standard i think, im aware
that you have been hitched a few times too, so you do have alot of experience under your belt with the fairer sex!
hahaha, not saying that in the literal sense!
maybe we should create a whole new post, seduction according to
terry, or terry's method? :cheers:Under the belt ha ha, I never had much
luck when i just wanted to go out and fu*K a girl i usually just went home and had a spill ha ha. The times that i
always seemed to get sucess was when i sort of just see a girl somewhere and she just took my breath away and i ha
ha just fell for them as i was in their power and all i really wanted to do was really kiss them and hold them ever
so close with my heart beating so fast and my head spinning, it was when i ended up in this condition that i always
got the girl and they never ever settled for my kisses or cuddles which i was more than happy with as i was in LOVE
ha ha Those were the days, But I am in love with my wife right now and have been for over 10 years and our love is
always exciting fresh and above all else TRUE. REALLY it just keeps on getting better and that is how it is
meant to be.TRUE :thumbsup:
Mohammad Shah
12-15-2006, 09:00 PM
Your very modest Bronzie, I have learned so much from you
Pheromasters and your advice has saved me wasting my money on lots of crap that is always around, it is a bit of an
honour really when i get an applaud from guys like yourself and Gegogi and Belgareth. I myself have only had around
100 different women and girls that i have picked up and scored with so i really am not so experienced when compared
with a pick up artist, but i can honestly say i would be just as happy had it only been a few, because when it all
boils down, TRUE LASTING ENDURING HAPPINESS CAN BE FOUND IN GIVING TRUE LOVE TO ONE WOMAN. what more does a
man need. AS its ( ALL IN THE MIND ) Nevertheless we have are toys our fun our associations and best
of all we have a friend or two.:rant:
wow!! 100 girls huh!
Terry!!http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif Some people are REALLY
blessed!!http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
terry0400-40
12-15-2006, 10:56 PM
wow!! 100 girls huh! Terry!!http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
Some people are REALLY
blessed!!http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
I really think one would probably had been enough, it is just that it took so long for me to see the Truth, because
at the end when all is said and done it is not going to improve my spiritual wellbeing, hmmm well i dont really
think so, only in as much as i have learned a little, but it really is no big deal and if i had let it carry on
unchecked i could well have ended up with an addiction problem. So i am so happy that i have learned to love one
woman and care 4 her in any and every way which i am able. :angel:
MagicPower
12-16-2006, 03:34 AM
Ease up [---] you're missing the point. Believe me, show me a poser and I'll
show you an unhappy man
I'm not sure you're getting my point either, so
I'll try to give you a comparison as simple as possible.
If a traffic cop
pulls me over for speeding (thank God, none ever has), there is something I want from him. That is, to get away
without a fine, or if that turns out to be impossible, with a fine as small as possible.
In order to reach that goal, it would be most stupid to act according to my true nature, that
is to tell him to stuff his stupid speed limits and that I drive as fast as I please and will continue to do so in
the future, and that I would like to beat the shit out of those bastards who keep screwing it up for hundreds of car
drivers by setting up absurd speed limits.
Neither am I going to make the
attempt of turning myself into a law-abiding citizen who never exceeds a speed limit. It would remove the danger of
getting speeding tickets, but I don't want to try and learn to approve of something that I detest from the bottom
of my heart – i.e. that some scum have the power to oblige other people to drive no faster than 70 km/h on a road
that can be safely driven with 100 km/h most of the time. And even if I tried to, it's not at all certain that I
would succeed to change myself into something so profoundly different from my current nature.
The only reasonable course of action would, in my opinion, be to try and explain (politely
enough to not irritate the cop) that I was not speeding, and if he insists that I did, say that I must have
forgotten to look at the speedometer and possibly pressed too hard on the accelerator for one moment, and I am very
sorry about this and I usually never violate traffic regulations and it will never happen again.
As to the long term strategy, it would be reasonable to improve my skill of noticing traffic
cops early enough, always warn other drivers of traffic cops on their way (so that they would be thankful and warn
me in the future), use whatever chances I might get to achieve changes in law etc, and well, yes, try to drive
slower whenever it's not too boring.
Now, back to dealing with the opposite
sex. As I naturally detest lying, pretending and deceiving (as it seems, more so than an average man), it's
understandable that when I was younger and naive, I stubbornly kept being myself and acting naturally with women (as
well as with everybody). After many years of painful disappointments, I learned that with women, it's not about
displaying who you are and what you want. It's all about playing the game. Impressions are everything. Of course,
as you try to display the image that would work best with women, you grow in the process yourself too, but to
suggest that every man can be successful with women by honestly displaying his true being, is obviously
absurd.
Oh, by the way, I've seen people achieve great success with outright
ridiculous posing which I could never pull off and which would be too disgusting for me to try and learn to do. As
to whether or not their happy, I have no idea. They tend to look very happy but I most certainly wish that they're
only acting.
Women can spot a poser in a
nanosecond.
It's a wide-spread belief among men that women can read you
like an open book. I could explain what this myth of women's superhuman intuition is all about, but firstly,
that's a bit longer story, secondly, I'm not sure you're the kind of person worth wasting my time on, and
thirdly, we're really getting off topic here. This is supposed to be a pheromone forum.
MagicPower
12-16-2006, 04:12 AM
1)You over value the power of mones. They aren't
magic
I don't.
This is a pheromone
forum. So it is logical that on this forum, I ask questions about pheromones. I might have lots of questions about
other things, like where is the best online source for short non-offending jokes to tell to girls, but there are
other means for getting that information. I won't ask such questions on a pheromone forum because that's not what
a pheromone forum is for. It's as simple as that.
I never intended to turn
this thread into a discussion of my peronality. If you care to look at the beginning once more, you'll notice that
I asked quite a specific question about pheromones. That's what I hoped to get an answer to. I don't mind getting
other information on the way, but I'd rather avoid infesting Love-Scent's website and disk space with discussions
that have got nothing to do with pheromones.
If a friend said there was a
funny sound in his car's engine and did you have an idea what it could be, would you start telling him that you
think his coat is too warm for this weather and maybe he'd be happier if he'd wear something
lighter?
And everybody, please do not start posting URL-s for online sources
of short non-offending jokes to tell girls. :-)
They
aren't magic (sorry for the word choice
Sorry? Take it easy, man. Do
Americans really take offense so easily? Well, yes, they do, I know.
Girls tend to be more relationship driven while men tend to be more sex
driven, especially when younger.
Oh, thank you so much! What would the
world be like without guys like you?
I'll tell you a secret, too – girls
don't have a dick! That's why they have to sit on a toilet to pee. A friend told me just
yesterday.
3)You seem to be trying to follow the
footsteps of someone like david D
Sorry, who? DeAngelo? Hell, no, not
him.
Seriously, I don't try to follow anybody's footsteps. That would be
foolish as every person is different. That's what some of the previous posters don't seem to be able to realise.
They seem to believe that what has worked for them will work for everyone.
You are trying to be someone you are not and therefore it causes you to
fail with the ladies on dates. [---] Confidence means being your self regardless of what others think, plain and
simple!!!!
You are dead wrong. But I guess my previous post answers
that.
He who has born with wings can fly on his own wings and can afford to
sneer at those who have to pay for an airplane ticket in order to fly. Or to bring a more earthly comparison – for
me, a person who needs a calculator to add up two four-digit numbers looks like a near-hopeless idiot. But I
understand that people are born with different abilities and I am far from suggesting that everybody should always
do arithmetics mentally instead of using calculators.
terry0400-40
12-16-2006, 09:54 AM
I'm not sure you're getting my point either, so I'll try to give you a
comparison as simple as possible.
If a traffic cop pulls me over for speeding
(thank God, none ever has), there is something I want from him. That is, to get away without a fine, or if that
turns out to be impossible, with a fine as small as possible.
In order to
reach that goal, it would be most stupid to act according to my true nature, that is to tell him to stuff his stupid
speed limits and that I drive as fast as I please and will continue to do so in the future, and that I would like to
beat the shit out of those bastards who keep screwing it up for hundreds of car drivers by setting up absurd speed
limits.
Neither am I going to make the attempt of turning myself into a
law-abiding citizen who never exceeds a speed limit. It would remove the danger of getting speeding tickets, but I
don't want to try and learn to approve of something that I detest from the bottom of my heart – i.e. that some scum
have the power to oblige other people to drive no faster than 70 km/h on a road that can be safely driven with 100
km/h most of the time. And even if I tried to, it's not at all certain that I would succeed to change myself into
something so profoundly different from my current nature.
The only reasonable
course of action would, in my opinion, be to try and explain (politely enough to not irritate the cop) that I was
not speeding, and if he insists that I did, say that I must have forgotten to look at the speedometer and possibly
pressed too hard on the accelerator for one moment, and I am very sorry about this and I usually never violate
traffic regulations and it will never happen again.
As to the long term
strategy, it would be reasonable to improve my skill of noticing traffic cops early enough, always warn other
drivers of traffic cops on their way (so that they would be thankful and warn me in the future), use whatever
chances I might get to achieve changes in law etc, and well, yes, try to drive slower whenever it's not too
boring.
Now, back to dealing with the opposite sex. As I naturally detest
lying, pretending and deceiving (as it seems, more so than an average man), it's understandable that when I was
younger and naive, I stubbornly kept being myself and acting naturally with women (as well as with everybody). After
many years of painful disappointments, I learned that with women, it's not about displaying who you are and what
you want. It's all about playing the game. Impressions are everything. Of course, as you try to display the image
that would work best with women, you grow in the process yourself too, but to suggest that every man can be
successful with women by honestly displaying his true being, is obviously absurd.Every woman is unique and has a unique image in her head as to what she wants its all in
her head as some women always fall for bums, some really love a more efiminate sort of guy some like rough types
some go for smooth rough, some rough rough, or smooth sofisticated, or sofisticated rough, or rough alpha, or rough
macho, or smooth macho, or wimpy sofisticated, or wimpy and sexy, some tall dark and handsome, some love a bald
head, others love mostaches, some like hairy legs some like big talkers, others like quite talkers so they can do
more talking, some like casual smart, some like smart smart, some like cheeky men or rude men some love jerks and
i could go on 4 years , Because there is no accounting 4 taste, OH I FORGOT some really like
a down to earth genuine nice guy someone who can stand alone and be what he wants to be, so one earth man is not
going to be the choice of every woman and unless you know exactly what a woman is looking for in a man when you
first approach her then who is you gonna be then, unless they put out a pheromone called INSTANT
EVERYWOMANS MAN.
Oh, by the way, I've seen people achieve
great success with outright ridiculous posing which I could never pull off and which would be too disgusting for me
to try and learn to do. As to whether or not their happy, I have no idea. They tend to look very happy but I most
certainly wish that they're only acting.
It's a wide-spread belief
among men that women can read you like an open book. I could explain what this myth of women's superhuman intuition
is all about, but firstly, that's a bit longer story, secondly, I'm not sure you're the kind of person worth
wasting my time on, and thirdly, we're really getting off topic here. This is supposed to be a pheromone
forum.Magicpower i have probably missed your point
completly as usual, in that case i have shown you and the world how stupid i can be, and apparently there is no
excuse for stupidity but do i look like i give a rats, anyway i have only seen one perfect person in the last 55
years. :frustrate you must have a hard head terry, no actually it only feels
hard because the wall is so soft.:angel:
Gegogi
12-16-2006, 11:39 AM
Mr. Magic obviously you're an
intelligent man, but you do realize most of us have tried to help you with our best advice--advice that has worked
for us. However, being the best you can be isn't acting nor is it dishonest. It's you enhanced. So you've tried
everything and nothing has worked? None of us knows you and obviously there is something more at play here than you
let on or any of us can understand. All of us have been there at one time--a failure with women or society in
general. I needed to pull myself up by my bootstraps many a time, move on and better myself (that didn't include
faking a more masculine character). It's an endless learning process. Social success--including mating rituals and
coupling--isn't the result of a simple cut 'n dry formula. It's an ever evolving dance and you must adapt for
every situation.
Also, we all have flaws, some very glaring ones at that. However success comes from a sum
of the whole. If you fall short in one area you can compensate in another where you excel. I know a very attractive
nurse that fell in love with a man paralyzed from the chest down (diving accident). Since she was a friend, I asked
what could possibly be attractive about him? He was once an athletic guy but was soft and shapeless. He had tubes
running in his body. Her rely was his honestly, love of life and never give up fighting spirit. She truly admired
his strength of character, something apparently in short supply among menfolk. Women are not usually attracted to
quitters, bitterness or a poor attitude.
Nevertheless, perhaps a few dabs of NPA or PI will help impart more
of the alpha dude vibe for ya.
SwingerMD
12-17-2006, 12:14 AM
MagicPower,
There is a
lot a good advice here in this thread from a lot of different points of view.
Yes "being yourself" is not all
what it takes, neither is wearing the right mone at the right time, saying the right thing at the right time,
dressing right, or even looking fit . . . it is all of these together as a whole.
I remembered when I first
started out with SOE. I was noticing a lot of chatty people around me and nothing else. One day I decided to test
out a theory I had out on a bus. I wore my iPod with the white earbuds on the bus to the University with no volume
so that I can listen in to people's rxns with them thinking that I was busy listening to my music.
About 1/2 to
the University this 18 yr old blonde got on to the bus and walked passed me with her brunette friend (same age).
Right after she passed me I heard her exclaim, "Oh, my God! He smells so good that I . . . ." Needless to say I was
quite floored by her rxn.
With that in mind, the next person that I sat next to on the bus (the next day) I
struck up a conversation with her. My way in was that I noticed that, "Hey isn't that the new Biology series
edition . . . .?" Had a pleasent conversation with her but forgot to get her number. Next time I went out with SOE
I got a number . . . and so on . . . and so on.
Anyhow remember not to toss out conversation skills, looks,
personality when using mones. "Being yourself" is a very easy and comfortable thing to do and it is genuinely YOU.
In the end you want to hook up with someone that wants you for who you are.
-SwingerMD
Marlboro_man
12-17-2006, 07:30 PM
Magic,
It's clear to me
that you feel you know more than everyone else around here, so I don't know why you ask for advice. It's also
clear that you feel mones are some amazing cure for your lack of personality that you have distributed by
continually attacking everyone in this post. I apologize for my inability to understand what you are trying to say,
because it's obvious that other's and myself don't understand your communications.
I will no longer respond to
this thread as I now realize how much of my time that I have already wasted on it, but I wish you a lot of luck in
figuring out what it takes to become a man worth being more than a friend in the ladies eyes.
MagicPower
12-18-2006, 01:54 AM
It's clear to me that you feel you know more than everyone else around
here, so I don't know why you ask for advice. It's also clear that you feel mones are some amazing cure for your
lack of personality
I have realised that this forum is a complete waste
of my time. I ask a specific question about certain effects of pheromones, and all I get is a bunch of snags trying
their best to convince me that pheromones are useless.
One last thing. If
someone's actions contradict his words, I believe his actions, not his words. If you don't believe in pheromones,
what are you doing on this website? If a guy who claims he has managed to seduce a hundred women is telling the
truth, what does he need pheromones for? Think about it.
I will leave this
thread now, too. You can go on writing about whatever's on your mind and let out steam on me, but I won't be
reading it, as it's near certain that nothing you'll say will bear any connection to the question I
asked.
Gegogi
12-18-2006, 02:51 AM
Mr. Magic, if your attitude and
forum behavior are any indication of your discourses with women, one can easily see why you have difficulties. It
has nothing to do with being too masculine or not masculine enough. I'm afraid fews dabs of NPA and/or SOE will
only serve to enhance and project your narcissism and negativity.
If a guy who claims he has managed
to seduce a hundred women is telling the truth, what does he need pheromones for? Think about
it.
Obviously most of us have thought about it a great more than you. Pheromones are a powerful
enhancer of one's persona for all human social activity. I mainly use it on the job as "social lube." Getting laid
is actually the least useful thing about 'mones. Think about it, we socialize all day at work, school, home and
neighborhoods. Being liked and maintaining good relationships with coworkers, students, family and neighbors is your
most important asset. And those social contacts also mean you'll have ample opportunities to foster romance as
well. No friends or good relations with coworkers and neighbors? Very likely no nookie
either...
Incidentally, no pheromone will do much to make you appear masculine or feminine. That's totally
up to you, e.g., how you talk, carry yourself, dress, physical condition, etc. As I wrote earlier, pheromones simply
enhance traits already present. Because of that I avoid wearing pheromones if depressed or angry--the bad vibe gets
out just as easily as a good one. You project your best and it gets amped up. Do nothing and nothing happens.
People here only wanted to help you. Good luck my friend.
terry0400-40
12-18-2006, 03:47 AM
I have realised that this forum is a complete waste of my time.
I ask a specific question about certain effects of pheromones, and all I get is a bunch of snags trying their best
to convince me that pheromones are useless.
One last thing. If someone's
actions contradict his words, I believe his actions, not his words. If you don't believe in pheromones, what are
you doing on this website? If a guy who claims he has managed to seduce a hundred women is telling the truth, what
does he need pheromones for? Think about it.
I will leave this thread now,
too. You can go on writing about whatever's on your mind and let out steam on me, but I won't be reading it, as
it's near certain that nothing you'll say will bear any connection to the question I
asked.I am sure i am speaking 4 all who have tried to
help you here as sure as i know that you are reading this even if you dont reply. As any one of us can very easily
and simply go out right now and seduce a woman quick and easy pickup and lay, with or without juice on anytime,
really Magic this is no big deal, its not an issue really, 4 us pheromone exploration is a very social and also a
fun activity because it is so very interesting to see the many various reactions caused by our particular
signatures, in each case it is unique even as we are, really its all just so much good fun vibration sort of thing
and that is why we post, because we have this wonderfull medium in common ( Pheromones ) that
we share and also can empathise with. nuf said sea ya. terry0400-40
Mr. Happy
12-20-2006, 03:46 PM
MagicPower I have to
say, your attitude sucks. Until that changes no amount of pheromones will help you.
Mungojerry
12-20-2006, 05:16 PM
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terry0400-40
12-20-2006, 05:33 PM
Magic: I do not agree with everything you say... especially with regard to the validity of
speed limits [though I recognise the point you were using this example to make]!
However, in my assessment
people in this thread have given you an unneccessarily hard time. This is not to sat that some good advice has not
been given, for it most certainly has; however, I disagree that your attitude is fundamentally worse that others on
this forum. Given, that, in my view, the arguments you make are logical and the questions you ask intelligent in
some ways I would actually commend your attitude as superior to lots of other people's.
However, I digress.
Firstly, the "being youself" advice is not something that I personally agree with. I fully recognising faking can
often, [though not always as you rightly point out] be unproductive; however, this is not to say it is possible to
change youself, i.e. to grow as a person and become a new you.
The peson I am now is different to the person I
was 5 years ago. Events, ideas and peer groups alter who you are. They alter your emotions towards things, they
alter your thought patterns, they alter your outlook.
Through careful use of rigourous thought about the
fundamental assumptions of your beliefs, exposure of yourself to new situations, NLP/Hypnosis, sometimes fake acting
a certain way until it becomes natural, you can consciously alter this direction. This is no bad thing.
People
can be bad and/or unsuccessful - they can and in the first case probably should change. None of us are perfect and
we can all grow and become better people. It is my view that none of us should be too attached to "who we are" - we
should be instead attached to the idea of becoming good people and becoming successful people.
Many people will
also be able to incorperate different behaviour patterns into thier lives without needing to change anything radical
able their mental attitude. Some "Seduction Techniques" fall into this category. Just because you have always done
something a particular way does not mean that behaviour pattern is integral to your personality.
Secondly, I
agree that it is probably not the pheromones that are your problem, it is more something about your
behaviour/attitude that is at fault [where reaching the specific goal of bedding women is concerned at least]
Thirdly, I agree that "kino" is one good way forward. I don't do it much myself, but i've seen it work well for
others.
Personally I like to slowly escalate some key kino. The most important of these is for me is holding
hands. If she is laughing with me, has good body language towards me i'll simply take her hand. If she doesn't
pull away i'll hold it for a bit, then let go.
This is an indicator of her attraction towards me, but also
serves as a gentle non-verbal understanding that you are interested in her in a sexual way.
Personally I would
also:
- Verbally tease them [gently at first, more if they react well]. - If done well this is very powerful.
- Make sure that at no point was I paying for their attention, i.e. I would not supplicate them, offer to pay
for drinks, do favours for them etc. This I ensures that the only reason they were being around me was because they
liked me in some way! Its a good filter.
- Show my preferences, e.g. not just agree with them because I was
trying to curry favour, but tell them when I disagree or don't want to do something straight up.
- Make the
decisions & show that i'm not a puppy dog by not following them around. e.g. At a museum, i'll go to which
exhibits interest me and not just try to stand next to her all the time.
- Hold an attitude of abundance that
if she isn't intersted in you, then it will not affect your happiness at all. You will have a million and one more
bites at the cherry or at the very least you are happy being single. This way she will not feel leant upon, nor be
expected to be a prop of your own mental neediness. It will also remind you to focus on your preferences which puts
you in the position of the selector.
- Perhaps most importantly, be comfortable with your ability to handle
things if thing go sexual. Knowing how to have nice sex and not being uneasy about being crap in bed is gold dust.
I could go on, but its late and i'm tired!
Fourtly, and in regard to your original post, I'd say it is
not a dictomoy of too masculine to not masculine enough. I'd more specifically put it as a OD for your target
population, which may have a complex relationship with your personality and your personal sensitivity to what you
are wearing.
As AE seems to work for you i'd simply tone down the dose, or introduce some -none mitigator such
as AI, couplins or additional nol. GREAT POSTING Mungojerry, you certainly
have some positive flair for this, just appreciate your style and intelligence thats all, as it will be of benefit
no doubt. :wave: :angel:
Mungojerry
12-20-2006, 05:38 PM
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MagicPower
03-29-2007, 03:04 AM
I thought I would never post again in this forum. Meanwhile I have, however, calmed
down and I feel that this discussion has left important questions unanswered by me, and my leaving like this might
make people think that I didn't know what to say, or even that I felt I had been proven wrong. As those assumptions
would be incorrect, I thought I'd post this article to try and clear some things up. I don't know whether or not
the moderator will delete it, but I have no influence on that, so I won't worry about
it.
At the time I am posting this, I really believe (again) that this will be my
last post ever to this forum. So I won't be reading your feedback, which, of course, doesn't mean that you
couldn't post it here for your own pleasure.
Neither did I bother to read your
replies to my last post.
First thing to be cleared up is my suggestion that
the guy (I've forgotten who) who claimed to have had sex with more than hundred women was
lying.
My saying that was a deliberate insult. Actually, I rather believe him.
Obviously, there's no way I could ever know for sure how many women he has had sex with, but if I had to bet
everything I own on whether he's telling the truth or lying, I would bet that he's telling the truth. I was just
fed up with him, so I chose to insult him. I'm not going to apologize because I think he deserved
it.
What I still can't understand, however, is what is he doing in this forum.
If he seduced his 100 women before he began using pheromones, what does he need pheromones for? If he seduced his
100 women after he began using pheromones, how can he say that pheromones can't get you laid?
My best explanation (which I admit, is nothing but a shot in the dark) is that
he used to be a natural master seducer but has gotten old meanwhile and needs some artificial aid to remain
attractive.
By the way, I believe the reason why master seducers turn monogamous
is because of their physical ability to have sex that naturally diminishes with age has reach a critical point at
which they think it's better to settle down with one woman. They won't admit it, of course, instead they try to
explain it with love and such. But I'm drifting off the topic, sorry.
Now to
the last post I read, about me believing to know everything better than everybody
else.
I most definitely don't believe to know everything better than anybody
else. In fact, there are lots and lots of things I know way too little about.
However, although there are many things I don't know, there are some things
that I do know for certain. For example:
1. I know that when I touch a hot iron,
it hurts. I know it for certain because I have done it. So if somebody claims that when I touch a hot iron, it
won't hurt, I know that he's not telling the truth, and if he insists upon that advice, I have every right to tell
him to stop bothering me with such obvious nonsense.
2. I know that when I jump
into the water, I get wet. I know it for certain because I have done it many times. So if somebody claims that when
I jump into the water, I won't get wet, I know that he's not telling the truth, and if he insists upon that
advice, I have every right to tell him to stop bothering me with such obvious
nonsense.
3. I know that I can't get women into bed by being myself and acting
naturally. I know it for certain because I have tried it many times. So if somebody claims that I can get women into
bed by being myself and acting naturally, I know that he's not telling the truth, and if he insists upon that
advice, I have every right to tell him to stop bothering me with such obvious
nonsense.
It seems that some people have missed a very important point here. When
you say that I can be successful with women by acting according to my true nature, and I say it's not true, I am
not saying that nobody can do it. I am merely saying that I can't do it. Why on Earth do you keep insisting that I
can do something which I know I can't do? I know what I'm saying from my long time first hand experience. Where
are you supposed to know the opposite from?
It really feels stupid to repeat
something as obvious as this over and over, but some of you just don't seem to get it, so I'm gonna say it again.
A strategy that works for one person, doesn't necessarily work for another. I have tried to explain several times
what I mean, but I don't seem to be able to get the message through. I will try one last
time.
Among all the men on Earth, there are those naturally more attractive to
women, and there are those naturally less attractive to women (just like there are taller and smaller people,
stronger and weaker people, people with a good vision and people with a poor vision, people who are good at mental
arithmetics and people who aren't good at mental arithmetics etc.). The more attractive men don't have to make any
conscious effort in order to get laid. They can just go through life being themselves and acting naturally, and
women will want them, because they are attractive. The less attractive men, if they acted naturally, would have to
settle for fewer women, less attractive women (that is, women who aren't good enough for the attractive guys and
thus have to go for the less attractive guys, although they'd still prefer the attractive guys) or, in extreme
cases, go without sex for their entire lives. If that fate is unacceptable to them, they have to either try and
change themselves in order to become more attractive (like by exercising, getting rich, becoming actors), or use
artificial means to appear more attractive (like by posing or using
pheromones).
So while very attractive men can get women into bed by being
themselves and acting naturally, less attractive men can't. I can't put it any plainer than this.
At this point, I realise that I haven't been quite precise with what I said a couple of
paragraphs earlier. You see, strictly speaking, I have actually not tried to get women into bed by acting according
to my true nature. If I really acted according to my true nature, I would upon sight of a pretty woman go to her and
say: "I don't want to to go out on a date with you. I'm not interested in talking to you. I don't even want to
know what your name is. I just want to fuck you right now." Heck, I wouldn't even tell her that. I would simply
tell her to follow me, take her to a private place, then tell her to strip naked, and then I'd fuck
her.
You still think that I would get laid acting according to my true nature? Of
course I wouldn't. The above strategy is so obviously stupid that I have never ever even tried it. But there were
times when I acted with women as much as possible in accordance with my true nature, and were reasonably honest with
them – that is by telling them that I like them and I'd like to spend more time with them and get to know them
better. I assure you (and I guess I already did earlier in this thread) that this is the surefire way to devastating
failure. I know it from repeated first hand experience.
That is why I, in
spite of my meager experience (only 16 sex partners so far; yes, all of them were adult human females), feel
entitled to tell you to stuff your nonsense advice that the way to get laid is by being yourself and acting
naturally.
It might be difficult for a very attractive man to understand how
come others have difficulties getting women. He might be wondering: "Hey, what's wrong with you guys? Why do you
keep wasting your money on seduction books or pheromones? Why don't you just go out on a street and walk around
minding your own business. Women will then approach you and you just pick whom you want." Or, if they're a bit less
attractive, they might say: "Don't bother with all those seduction books and pheromones. Just take a good shave and
go to the women and talk to them and smile and they will come to bed with you. I do this all the time, so why don't
you?" Just recently I read a newspaper interview with a guy who told how he has had sex with dozens of women and had
never had to buy as much as one flower. Surely you all have heard about (or even know) men who have bunches of women
running after them. And surely you have observed that the overwhelming majority of men aren't that fortunate. They
have to play the game, go through the frustrating courting rituals, pretend that they enjoy going out on
dates...
Do I hear voices of protest? Are you trying to tell me that you actually
like going out on dates? You are lying. To prove that, let me ask you the following simple
question.
If there was a pretty girl you had never had sex with before, and you
were given the following two choices:
1. To go out on a date with her, and after
that, if you both so wish, have sex with her.
2. To have sex with her, and after
that, if you both so wish, go out on a date with her.
Which one of the two would
you choose?
How many men do you think would choose the first option? I don't
mean when answering a hypothetical question in front of a TV camera, with their wives listening. I mean, if it was
for real, and nobody would know? You must admit that you'd be hard pressed to find a man who'd pick the choice #1.
Now, please don't get me wrong. I am not about to start lamenting how the
world is unfair and why do we have to do what women want. No, with the above example I am merely demonstrating that
when you claim to be yourselves and act naturally with women, the overwhelming majority of you is lying. Each time
when you go to a girl you haven't fucked yet and tell her that you would like to go out on a date with her, you are
not acting according to your true nature. What you really want is to have sex with her. You pretend that your
intentions are something else than what they really are. You play the game because you are, for various reasons, not
supposed to say to women directly what you want from them. It's all right to do that but that's definitely not
what I'd call being yourself and acting naturally.
By the way, your claim
that you believe that being yourself is the way to success with women, is further proved wrong by your buying and
using pheromones. If I could get women into bed by being myself and acting naturally, I would impossibly waste as
much as one hour of my time on a subject like pheromones, not to mention spending money on them. Your being on this
website means that you are trying to be more successful with women by appearing a different kind of person then you
are. After all, that's what using pheromones is all about – sending out chemical signals that make women
subconsciously believe that you are something that you really aren't.
It
therefore puzzles me greatly to find people here as well as in other pheromone forums who apparently have much
experience with pheromones, and who report their sometimes amazing sexual successes, and still try to discourage
other people from using pheromones.
I could understand if people who post in ASF
would fiercely insist that pheromones couldn't possibly get you laid. After all, they have developed a
mind-blowingly complicated, near-esoteric system of rituals which they claim to be absolutely necessary in order to
seduce women. Of course, they can't accept the idea that someone can simply wear some fragrance that costs less
than 100 USD and achieve what they have achieved through years of rigorous learning and
practice.
I could also understand when pheromones were being bashed in a
discussion in an online newspaper or a general interest forum. Such a discussion would involve different kinds of
people, some of which would oppose pheromones simply because they would think that using them is immoral, so they
would insist that they can't possibly work.
However, a pheromone forum is not a
place that is frequented by the general public. Most people don't know what the word "pheromone" means. In a
pheromone forum, one would expect to meet people who are interested in pheromones, and at least open to the
possibility that they can do what they are claimed to do. It's beyond my comprehension why do so many active
pheromone users insist that pheromones won't get you laid? And if they believe in what they are saying, why on
Earth do they obviously keep buying them? I wouldn't waste good money on something that just makes people somewhat
friendlier.
At my current state of knowledge, I can only come up with two
possible explanations for such strange behaviour.
1. They have tried a product or
two which haven't worked, so they try to discourage other guys from using any pheromones, because they get envious
at the thought that the others might achieve the success that they haven't achieved. (This is the same phenomenon
as with people who practice crap martial arts and claim that no martial art is good for defending yourself on the
street. They say it because they know that their art is no good for defending oneself on the street and they can't
accept the thought that they have chosen a martial art that is no good.)
2. They
have found a product that works and want to keep their competitive edge by preventing other guys from finding out
the secret. In that case, however, trashing pheromones in general is not the best strategy. It would be more
efficient to post fake success reports claiming that a crap product is actually good, so that other guys would buy
it and get disappointed and begin to think that all pheromones are crap. If a guy has found a pheromone that works,
and keeps insisting that no pheromones are any good, the other guys might get suspicious (like I did) as to why he
wants to waste his time spreading that message.
So, the first explanation is more
likely. But I'll go on investigating.
I don't even try to find any
explanation to a guy who runs a pheromone shop advising me to smile and just be myself, instead of placing any hopes
on pheromones. Things couldn't really get any weirder than that.
Now, what
this discussion actually started from was my asking a question which I could rephrase as follows: how can I tell
whether a woman considers me not masculine enough and thus not worth her interest, or too masculine and thus too
scary for her to show her interest.
None of you has answered that question or
made any attempts to answer it. None of you has even suggested that there is something wrong with that question,
except bluntly stating the obvious nonsense that I shouldn't care what the women think of me, I just should be
myself and I would get everything I wanted.
You have displayed the stupid
attitude typical to many men that goes like this: "I can't answer his question, but as a man, I can't admit that I
don't know the answer to a question. I therefore give him some other advice which I believe to be useful, even if
it bears no connection to his question. Or if I can't think of any useful advice, I'll just blurt out the first
thing that comes into my mind."
Such attitude is actually right with women you
are trying to impress. In order for the women to consider you masculine, it's more important to always have a quick
answer than to have the right answers. However, in an online discussion among guys, such attitude is out of place,
to say nothing of pathetic. By speaking nonsense confidently, you might fool some stupid chicks but you won't fool
me. If there is a concrete question and you don't know the answer, or you're even too stupid to understand what
the question is, why don't you just press the "back" button and open the next thread?
Well, as I said, I won't be reading your replies, as I have better things to do with my time
than arguing with the kinds of you. As this forum doesn't support private messages, you probably won't be able to
contact me and get me to read your rants, but I can live with that. This discussion has taught me that it's
pointless to discuss pheromones with other people (at least on this website). I'll just have try things out on
myself, which is what I am doing, every day.
koolking1
03-29-2007, 06:08 AM
Magic, you seem to
like analogies, here's one for you.
You go to the Doctor because you are sick. The Dr writes you a
prescription that is going to make you hopefully feel better (mones). The Dr also says to you: "Magic, you should
also get more rest and drink plenty of fluids (good advice to enhance the effect of the prescription). In other
words, the drug (mones) will likely work but it will work better if you take some other advice along with it).
You said: "At this point, I realise that I haven't been quite precise with what I said a couple of
paragraphs earlier. You see, strictly speaking, I have actually not tried to get women into bed by acting according
to my true nature. If I really acted according to my true nature, I would upon sight of a pretty woman go to her and
say: "I don't want to to go out on a date with you. I'm not interested in talking to you. I don't even want to
know what your name is. I just want to fuck you right now."
Well, guess what? I've tried that technique
(only twice) and it worked both times. Go figure.
You having been sexually with 16 women is not bad, many
guys on here might envy you that. I certainly don't know the actual numbers but I would guess that some rather
large percentage of the world's male population has either never been with a women at all or only one women. You
could save up your cash by not going out with "regular women" and just getting a hooker or two per month. That
seems more your style and if you go that route, I'd go heavy on the .none products. You could easily add 12-24 new
women annually!!!
I'd say "best o' luck" to you but you would find that to be annoying, no?
tounge
03-29-2007, 10:52 AM
Magic, I won't be so nice.
Basically you're a pig. You, by your own posts. think of women as sex objects. As you think, so will you
become.
You don't believe a man can settle down with one women and be happy? You're full of it. Love exists
and blessed are those that find it.
You yourself admit, that if you could just meet a chick and skip the
dating process and just fuck her for your own selfish gratification, that's the way it would be. Yes, there are a
lot of guys like you, and that is unfortunate. And thankfully, the women you have been with lately, see through you
and probably enjoy frustrating the hell out of you and enjoy knowing, that a pig like you, will never touch their
charms.
visual999
03-29-2007, 11:22 AM
Magic, am I correct that you
drink a lot of coffee or caffeinated beverages? Or you're very young... 20,21? If it's the coffee, cut down on it,
none (AE) + coffee = not good.
I've been using pheros for 7 years or so and I've had the reactions you've
described with both none and nol. And also awesome reactions with both.
I probably have the best testing
grounds available and I still don't know what works "the best" and what doesn't, sometimes SoE makes girls start
rubbing their booty against me, othertimes it makes them run away from me (maybe it's a tacti they use?)
The
best advice I can give is to keep testing and always remember:
Each woman is different and all women are crazy.
;)
WorkingMann
03-29-2007, 11:33 AM
Each woman is different and all women are crazy. ;)
So true...! :cheers:
marina1
03-29-2007, 11:43 AM
Sometimes, a pheromone product makes girls appear
completely uninterested in me (the invisible man effect).
When girls
pay no attention to me or even walk away from me, it can mean two things.
It could mean that I don't appear masculine enough, i.e. women don't
consider me a prospective mate. If that were the case, I would need to try a more sexual-type
pheromone.
On the other hand, it could mean that I appear too masculine
and threatening. If that were the case, I should use a more fiendly-type pheromone.
How can I tell which way it is? What signs should I look out for, in order to be able to
tell whether a pheromone product makes me appear not masculine enough or too
masculine?
I think you are more or less mistaken, women seem to pay attention
to other stuff, not only (if at all) how much masculine you *look*, but also how you behave, but socially and in
your life.
mones speaking, yesterday was really weird, I've been aplying too much PI, purposedly ODing to see
what effect arises, tell you, people would not sit besided me on the bus and girls were behaving strange.
from
what I can gather you need to find a middle line, you need both look approachable and creat sexual tension.
After many years of painful disappointments, I learned that with women, it's not about
displaying who you are and what you want.
funny, I learned to other way around, after I
stopped playing the pretender things started to get better around women, and life.
I won't lecture you, but if
you want do a google on Michael Pilinski, author of a book called
Without Embarrassment.
It's not NLP stuff, but
it did open my eyes to a lot of things that were wrong in my approach to women.
wow,
don't know what else to
say...
Superman
04-05-2007, 01:47 AM
So i am so happy that i have learned to love one woman
and care 4 her in any and every way which i am able. :angel:
:goodpost:
I hope to find
that one woman myself, phermones may help me I think... but it's only part of the equation.
Most people who posted in this
thread seem to forget a few things..Any talk about how to act and not act in front of women in general is more or
less a waste of time, IMO.This due the the simple fact that we are all different.Some like vanilla, some like
chocolate.To say that women usually prefer the alpha type of guy is a big over-generalisement.I know tons of
women(many of them good lookin and sexy) that simply feel intimidated by this type of guy.They consider the alpha
guy to be mostly all muscle and no brain, shallow in personality, and in the worst case ; some kind of a brute.A guy
like that would need to ACT friendly, warm, deep, intelligent and considerate.He would after a small while however
see that this acting is not leading at a great length to anywhere : sooner or later, women WILL pick up on the fact
that he is ACTING..
My take on this whole thread is that we should recognize there is a BIG difference between
ACTING natural and BEING natural. If you can honestly be your natural self there won't be any need for acting.If
you can't be your natural self around women successfully, then that only shows you need to work on your
personality.This doesn't mean acting something you're not ; it simply means developing your personality, growing
as a human being and challenging your old ways of thinking for new ones ;
and as you do that, the change in your
BEING fill follow almost automatically, and women WILL notice. IMHO
belgareth
04-05-2007, 04:28 PM
Baco,
Well said and
correct, IMO. Good post.
koolking1
04-05-2007, 06:55 PM
"Some like
vanilla, some like chocolate"
Some like both!!!!
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