View Full Version : Pheromones and congruency
ThatGuy
11-02-2006, 03:40 PM
I used
pheromones a long time ago without coming to any certain conclusions. Instead I forget about them and worked on my
game instead. Although I still have a lot to learn I think I have become really good at reading people, controlling
my own body language and decent at controlling my own state (the most crucial factor when you interact with
someone).
My experience from the field is that attraction can be created simply through attitude and being
unreactive (i.e. being cool). But things like cloths, body language and looks certainly helps as well.
Also
females looks for congruency, i.e. that you actually are cool not just pretending to be. Without congruency initial
attraction is mostly useless.
Let’s assume that pheromones in pheromone products send out certain signals
like alphaness, thrust, comfort, relaxation etc. Then we still have the problem that the user needs to be congruent
with the message. If you are not alpha but send out alpha pheromones your behavior will not be congruent with what
you send out. Which is why I think friendly guys who often end up in the friend zone should not try to use “none” at
all since this will come out as incongruent to women.
Actually I see the whole congruency issue to be the
biggest problem with mones. You will have different doses on different times due to factors such as buildup and how
much time that has gone by since your last application. So if you talk to a women on day one, date her on day two
and try to sleep with her on day three how can you avoid coming off as incongruent since you pheromone message will
probably differ between those days?
As I understand it there is some overlap between the pickup and the
pheromone community. So for people that actually are in the field what are your experiences with mones? What do you
think is the advantages and disadvantages of using them?
smooth312
11-03-2006, 12:17 AM
I see the whole
congruency issue to be the biggest problem with mones.
Ditto.
About a year ago my circumstances changed
and I found myself in a new area, with difficulties starting over. I became a loner, and it really got me
down.
Before this time I was the life of the party. Really delusionally confident...most days I felt high on
life, everyday was a thrill to be alive. I can't even explain, I am dying to go back to that feeling. I was also
very much a social-butterfly, a leader, knew lots of people, fun to be around, etc.
This past year, all that has
been nonexistent, along with my dating/sex life. I haven't even kissed a girl since '05. Yeah, pathetic.
That's why I started using 'mones...I thought there was something wrong with me.
Girls used to always check me
out, do the DIHL thing, approach me, etc. etc. So when it stopped, I began to question myself...am I not
good-looking any more? I craved for that female validation. That's why I started using 'mones.
It worked, I
got the attention. But I think it was mostly because I was consciously noticing it. That's the conclusion I've
come to after making many threads about my PI experiences/hits. I used to be so depressed with my head down, I
didn't notice girls who WERE checking me out before. 'Mones helped, but without the proper game, the hits were
meaningless, and have been.
The hottest chicks in town have been fawning over me, but I've felt so unconfident
that I keep think I'll get rejected if I show interest or attraction in them, even when they approached!
You
see, the thing is...what I've finally come to realize is the true importance of confidence all along. Back then,
confidence did exactly what 'mones have done for me recently - get me noticed by women. College cheerleaders would
get sexual on me back then without 'mones...it was pure confidence. Back then I was still the same out-of-shape
guy but I had such a strong belief in myself that I could get girls wet just looking at me. I remember I was so
confident I truly believed that if a girl didn't smile at me or show attraction it was because she was too nervous
because I was too hot for her. That is SUCH a DIFFERENT state of mind that I've been in lately. You don't
understand how powerful that type of thinking is when you truly truly believe it to be your reality.
Short story,
this past week I've met more people than I've met in the past 3 months. I'm slowly building that confidence
back. I now "get it" that all the times I was insecure about being the center of attention...it all went back to my
confidence issues. I believe I actually have some true 'alpha' nature in me because of my past
reckless/fearless/irrational behavior, I do resemble some alpha qualities.
Anyway, yeah, I definitely recommend
before using 'mones that you question your reason for using them. There should be a pre-requirement of CONFIDENCE
before using 'mones, otherwise you'll feel worse about all the opportunities you miss daily.
I'll keep using
'mones because I like the edge, and now with the growing confidence, I don't feel so pressured as the center of
attention because it's feeling natural again. From now on, I won't be reporting hits as girls flipping hair,
approaching me, or staring/etc...those are all things that should be happening to me by default for being my
confident self. Hits, from now on will consist of make-outs, and sex...results.
By the way, I wish you the best
of luck in achieving a similar congruence with your 'mone signature. Don't underestimate the importance of
confidence.
Sunny
11-03-2006, 01:03 AM
I wish you the
best of luck in achieving a similar congruence with your 'mone signature. Don't underestimate the importance of
confidence.
smooth, this is an excellent post. Thank you for sharing your experience. I can relate to
that. It's been ups and downs for me. The real ups are not from mones, but from my confidence.
Pheromones can
be so strong that they could give you the desired results like new relationships, sex, ... - but even if they
do and you act upon it, without confidence you attribute your success to chemicals that you buy in expensive bottles
- not to yourself! And this attitude does not help your real confidence.
What does it do to my confidence if I
have sex with a girl who I used to believe is way more attractive than I am - and my unconscious mind "knows" that
it is because I "tricked" her with chemicals? It's not date rape, it's not illegal, I don't even think it's
unethical (because she is not forced to do anything against her will) - but what message does it send to my
unconscious mind? It is not a message of self confidence - only a message of external pheromone confidence.
And as we all know, results from pheromones are not reliable, they come and go. BTW I believe that's good because
otherwise one could become addicted to that stuff.
So here is what works: Use mones for the extra edge, that
means, for fun! Knowing you don't need them but you just play with them because it's your choice...
eric_pelletier_tw
11-03-2006, 07:14 PM
I think you are right
about the "dont play the part be the part" thing
but i disagree on the you dont need mones...
you do need
mones cose you have them naturally & use them wheter you like it or not ...
its tru confidence is key in
getting laid
but is not necesserly what blocks somone.
Take me for exaple : im 28 virgin i can brake the ice
whenever i feel like it with just about anybody even cute girls. but here is the thing i got unconcious issues to be
solved so i need mones to get over those
some ppl even use them to help an already verry good game.
some
uses them to change theire mood to make themselves happier
some uses hormones with them for that congruency
thingy
there is lots of uses & congruency is not necessarly needed if you just whant to learn how to play & then
Act the part ...
Gegogi
11-04-2006, 12:32 AM
I and many others mainly use
'mones as an enhancement to our business and professional lives. It's sorta like adding oil to help machinery run
a little smoother. Of course your words, actions and performance must be in harmony or no amount of SOE will get you
a promotion or a publishing deal. So it ain't a magic pill. You still gotta be the shit to make it.
Although
I appreciate the extra edge 'mones can provide for initiating romantic and sexual relationships, I did fine without
them. They merely seem to speed things up a bit, help break the ice, amp things up and provide a little amusement.
However, once in a relationship you're gotta provide the substance or it falls to crap quickly.
"As I
understand it there is some overlap between the pickup and the pheromone community.
I dunno, but the
concept of a "pickup" or "pheromone community" strikes me as huge misnomer. Using pheromones ain't a religious
order or philosophical school of thought anymore than people that like classical music or wear True Religion Jeans.
Followers of Dirty David strike me as meekgeeks transformed into religious zealots trying to work out their
salvation. Sort of a Jehovah Witness spawned by FuckinFas.com.
Sunny
11-04-2006, 12:39 AM
I did fine without
them.
If one does fine without mones, then they have a good chance that they will even do better with
mones, like you do! If they couldn't get anything going without mones, they may not be able to act properly with
mones.
However, once in a relationship you're gotta provide the substance or it falls to crap
quickly.
That's a good point! If I start using even a tiny amount of (well covered) -none in an
existing relationship I get reactions like: "I would NEVER have dated you if you had been wearing that musk
fragrance...". And if I start dating with -none, the girl may be all over me and I am forced to continue or I become
uninteresting (again, incongruent from her point of view).
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