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K, I just got
my 1st ever delivery today: TE, SOE, Chikara, all in gel packs. As I mentioned in another forum, I don't have any
faith in these la-la-land products, but I'm open enough to put my bias aside and try them and report the results.
In fact, tonights halloween parties will be an excellent opportunity.
Now here's another observation: I keep
reading stories on this forum saying how "this girl looked at me" or "she came to the classroom and sat next to me"
or "she looked confused as soon as she came by", etc, and report that as evidence of the product working. Here's my
unscientific explanation:
The confused thing is the best part... how can you tell she was confused? And if she
was, how do you know that has something to do with you?? The other examples, I'm just guessing that they happen
everyday but the person with the mones realizes them at that particular time because either (1) the mones have given
him a psychological boost of confidence and therefore he's much more aware of this stuff or (2) they're just
regular meaningless actions that the person with the mones THINKS is related to him, but most probably is not.
Any comments?
oscar
10-31-2006, 03:00 PM
sep,
Sure there's the
potential problem of "self-fulfilling prophesy", in that if you're consciously LOOKING for out of the ordinary
stuff you're especially likely to notice normal or random occurrences that you might mistakenly attribute to
pheromones.
But there's also the side effect that when you ARE striving to be especially conscious of those
things going on around you, you'll often appear to look creepy or predatory to others. So to some extent these
cancel each other out. ;)
So a good starting method is to try applying a
reasonable amount (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=191593#post191593) of ONE product over
the course of several days to a week (or more) to try to rule out those "happenstances" that are often erroneously
perceived as "hits".
To avoid skewing results, just try to forget that you're wearing the stuff. (Not real easy
the first couple of days! ;))
Then do your evaluations based on use over a period of time.
Oscar :)
Superman
10-31-2006, 03:01 PM
The other examples,
I'm just guessing that they happen everyday but the person with the mones realizes them at that particular time
because either (1) the mones have given him a psychological boost of confidence and therefore he's much more aware
of this stuff or (2) they're just regular meaningless actions that the person with the mones THINKS is related to
him, but most probably is not.
Any comments?
I'll just say that I'm seeing lots of differences in
other people's behaviour with the mones on.
Lots of flushing faces for one. Or women rubbing themselves in front
of you. It isn't something I see often at least. I don't know you perhaps you see this stuff regularly.
k Oscar, thanks for your advice. i
forgot to ask 1 question: how long does a mone last on the skin? Until I wash it off? Or does it just vaporize?
Mtnjim
10-31-2006, 03:39 PM
Sure there's the potential
problem of "self-fulfilling prophesy", in that if you're consciously LOOKING for out of the ordinary stuff you're
especially likely to notice normal or random occurrences that you might mistakenly attribute to
pheromones.
This was the whole point of my
post (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16787). :type:
Gegogi
10-31-2006, 04:27 PM
Pheromones are scienfically
proven to be part of human communication, social ritual and mating. However they are only one component of a much
larger system of intertwined events, traits and interactions. Sprinkling a little NPA or SOE on your loser hide
won't a stud make. A charismatic personality, new sports car or thick wallet will certainly be more effective as a
babe trap. Nevertheless, they can impart a nice edge to your game given some intelligent use, perhaps even make you
a little bigger than life if you play the part well.
tounge
10-31-2006, 06:06 PM
As I mentioned in
another forum
Any comments?
Yes, I have a comments. Reading too much
from other forums could be detrimental to your pheromone reality.
Some people spray on mones and magicaly
they turn from the Micky D's mop up man, into a secret agent that nobody can take their eyes off of. Suddenly thge
world revolves around them. Everytime someone sneezes, belchs or farts, it just had to be because of the pheromones
they were wearing.
Pheromones are subtle, and the patient person will benefit the most. Stick around here and
you'll get a more unbiased opinion on the realism of mones. There are a few BSer's who pop in from time to time,
but there are quite a few more intelligent people, as you have just seen here, who will set you straight.
Everytime
someone sneezes, belchs or farts, it just had to be because of the pheromones they were wearing.
... set you
straight.
Haha, nice stuff. Loved the fart part! Yeah, I'm totally with you on the BSers, so many funny
stories!
Halloween has ended, and so has my first night with mones. The setting:
1) 1/3 TE gel pack, applied
to wrist, bit to forearm, and neck
2) 1/2 Chikara gel pack (the news ones... my god they're tiny!) applied to
forearm and chest and a bit on the wrist
3) Covered the forearm with a bit of cologne
4) 2 scenes: 1 at a pub
with my friends, and after 2-3 hours at a friend's apartment, where everyone was a friend
THE RESULTS:
1)
Nada
2) Nothing
3) Zilch
Detail: sp basically nothing out of the ordinary happened. When I paid the entrance to
the pub, the girl collecting the $ was veeeery nice and warm, but a) I can't make a conclusion based on 1 case,
especially when it's nothing out of the ordinary and b) I later saw that she's also very warm to everyone else as
well
The rest of the night went normal. People were warm and friendly and talkative but that's how it always is.
I didn't see anyone getting more physical or just suddenly becoming a lot more friendlier that they used to
be.
So that's it. Test1 result: the above combination of pheros on day1 does not work. Still too early to draw
any big conclusions. Will test a similar combo tomorrow in class before I dismiss it, unless someone has a better
suggestion.
So no one answered: how long does it take before the pheros wear off from the skin?
Pheromones are
scienfically proven to be part of human communication, social ritual and mating. However they are only one component
of a much larger system of intertwined events, traits and interactions. Sprinkling a little NPA or SOE on your loser
hide won't a stud make.
I'm not worried about that part. I think I have my "game" even without the
pheros.
As for the scientifically proven part, I'd really like to see the scientific studies if you can show
them to me. I'm not talking about natural human pheromones, I'm talking about these Chikara and SOE stuff,
externally applied.
I can show you scientific studies that deoderants have "killed" the pheros which are released
naturally from your armpits, and if I'm not mistaking, that's where most of them are supposed to come out
from.
Again, I'm open to studying these scientific proofs. And don't say 'you heard of it' or don't send me
a link that takes me to Bob Joe's daily forum. Nothing scientific about those two.
Superman
10-31-2006, 11:51 PM
Just trying something once
doesn't show you anything. You've got to stick at it for a few days at least.
live4themusic
11-01-2006, 03:30 AM
Let's be completely
honest here, it's completely possible that even if pheromones do work, you might use them for the rest of
your life without ever seeing results that knock you off your ass and make you go "Wow, that was because of the
pheromones."
Heck maybe everyone in your area is aromatically impaired, or maybe some chemical in the air where
you live blocks the dispersal of pheromones. There are any number of conditions which can complicate the process of
gaugeing reactions.
I've been using pheromones for about 3-4 months. In that time I've had very few eye-opening
results. Even when something crazy happens, I believe it's possible that it was unrelated to pheromone use.
But
even still, I've been slowly growing more confident in the effectiveness of the pheromones. Scientifically I guess
it's impossible to prove that they work for any one given individual. I guess the only thing you can do is
keep trying them. Eventually, you might see something that you're not sure would have happened without the
pheromones. From there, you have to figure things out for yourself.
I have yet to have a woman knock me over the
head and drag me back to her cave, and if that's what you're looking for, you might be out of luck.
No I'm not looking for someone to
jump over me and start humping me in public!! But I am looking for results. I just can't imagine why anyone would
pay all this money without being sure that he/she is getting results.
Yes, I know wearing them once can't lend
to any conclusions. Never said test1 failed = mones failed. Test 2 is coming up today.
Now, can someone please
tell me how long do mones stay with each application?
Superman
11-01-2006, 06:17 AM
I believe it's claimed to be
around 8 to 12 hours. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Myself, I see effects up to at least 4 hours.
koolking1
11-01-2006, 07:17 AM
depends on
several factors. Put it on your clothes and it lasts as long as your clothes last, washing removes most but not
all, dry cleaning does the job best. Put it on your skin and it lasts about 12 hours but diminishes over time,
you'll have to trust your own nose on that one, normal showering with soap reduces it considerably but may still be
there, using anti-bacterial soap and it will be gone, have heard that alcohol works well too if you want to get rid
of it.
Your negativity won't earn you a lot of friends on the board but there are folks who agree with
you, that's for sure. I've been using mones since 1999 and have had various successes with them. I am not
familiar with the products you are currently using. One experiment you might try would be to put some mones on one
arm and none on the other, then cover with your cologne, ask a female who trusts you already to smell both your arms
and give her opinion which one smells better to her (explain in advance that your are experimenting with just
somewhat different versions of the cologne). Then, tell us the results of that experiment.
Superman
11-01-2006, 07:21 AM
On the forums I read you can
use a polysorbate shampoo to get rid of them too.
belgareth
11-01-2006, 07:50 AM
Scepticism is a good thing,
hopefully you can be both sceptical and open minded at the same time. It took a long time for me to convince myself
that mones really worked.
A good place to start for scientific information is at JVKohl's site. He created one
of the products and continues to do research into pheromone science. Try here:
http:///ScientificEvidence.html.
Since most products contain mainly the same pheromones generic evidence regarding any specific mone serves as an
indicator that a given product has at least some functional component. Perhaps not all are proven but some will be.
Remember that this is a new field and there are a lot of unknowns yet. Also that your body chemistry impacts the
effacy of pheromones as does your attitude and so on.
Mixing to start out is not going to get you as reliable
results as if you went about it methodicoly. Start with a single product and work with that over a period of days.
Increase the dosage every few days until you see some results, good or bad. Once you have established that a product
does or does not work for you, try something else. You've purchased several items so have the tools to experiment
for a while.
The last thing is that friends are the worst place to experiment because they already have you
pidgeon holed and changing how they already see you will take a lot more time than working with people you don't
know.
King, I'm not being negative, I'm
just critiquing by experiments. I fail to see how that's going to make people not like me on this forum. I'm just
reporting observations and making my own conclusions based on them.
As for covering one arm with mones and asking a
female friend to smell both arms and decide which one smells nicer, a cologne could do the same thing. It might just
smell good. doesn't say anything about the effectiveness of mones.
Now on to Test2
Test2
Setting: Morning
class (seminar) with 20 other students, one chick who always sits beside me and has never really shown any interest.
7 other girls in the classroom. The setting varied from Test 1 in the sense that I only know 4 people in that class,
2 of them male students. So it's a classroom where almost no one knows me and has seen me once every week since
September for 2 hours per week.
Mones used: 1/2 Chikara small gel pack and 1/3 TE Gel Pack, applied to wrist,
forearm, neck and ears, a bit on the chest (thanks for the advice. I'll test individual mones from tomorrow instead
of combining them).
Result: Nada. Tried several times to get the attention of the girl who was sitting next to me
by sitting at an agle and crossing my eyes towards her, hoping she would do the same. Nothing. No weird interactions
outside classroom either.
Problem with the setting: seminar class, requires students to focus on class discussion
and debate. Not really a place to flirt or even think about flirting.
Conclusion from test 2: not enough evidence
(subjective evidence of course) to support the utility of mones given the above settings. Again, I'm not going to
draw any conclusions based on 2 tests.
PS. Test 3 will be interesting. I'm going out with an ex that I haven't
seen in a while and her friends (most of them girls) to a lounge. She's got a boyfriend but it'll be interesting
to see if there are any reactions.
Finally, I just want to add that I AM AWARE that my experiments are perfect in
design. There are so many variables involved that it almost makes it impossible to carry such an experiment.
Nevertheless, I'm going to try.
koolking1
11-01-2006, 11:42 AM
"As for covering one arm
with mones and asking a female friend to smell both arms and decide which one smells nicer, a cologne could do the
same thing. It might just smell good. doesn't say anything about the effectiveness of mones."
I think you
may be misunderstanding the experiment I'd like you to try.
A. Explain to a woman that you are
experimenting with slight variations in a cologne you like.
B. Put mones on one arm only. Cover with your
cologne.
C. Put no mones on the other arm and then add the same amount of cologne as the previous
arm.
D. Ask women which arm she prefers.
maxo-texas
11-01-2006, 11:51 AM
Sep.
I'm a pretty massive
sceptic but was totally converted my experiences.
In my case, one of my girlfriends that I was already intimate
with for 9 years goes completely bonkers over -none. The effect was dramatic and unmistakable. Other women i see
have been affected slightly and some not at all that i could tell.
One 30's girl who had turned me down (didn't
feel comfortable) has flipped and has been coming on, flirting, etc. and she started when I started the SOE + 4.2
(which is none).
I would say not all women are affected- but some are affected intensely. Positive reaction to
mones is becoming a prerequisite for me.
Test 3
Setting: 8-9 hours after
applying mones (test 2). Going to have dinner with a female friend and a friend of hers which I hadn't met, also
female. In university cafeteria.
Application: just TE, around 1/4 of a gel pack. Applied to wrist and neck, and at
the end wiped off hands on shirt. Covered the neck with Victoria Secret cologne.
Observations: nada again, nothing
out of the ordinary. Her friend was nice and warm, but nothing special. No other incidents with other people
either.
Btw, I forgot to mention that yesterday I asked a friend to smell my forearm, which was covered with TE
and Chikara. She sniffed and without changing her expression told me that it's not the one I use all the time, and
I said no it's a new one. She said it smells smokey, and that's it!
So what's a good brand that has -none?
If anyone knows the answer, please
reply asap.
TOnight's test4 setting has changed. It's going to be at a pub with lots of younger girls (18-22).
Well, not that much younger, i'm only 23. But anyways... out of Chikara, TE, and SOE, which one would you guys
recommend, and how much of it, applied to where?
SoCal
11-02-2006, 04:29 PM
Where is this pub, I want in!
Well, TEST 4
Setting: 24 hours
after test 3. Smoke-free pub with around 6-7 20-21 year old girls and 9-10 guys. Bit dissappointing, was hoping
there would be more people.
Dosage: 1/5 or 1/4 of SOE, 1/4 TE, applied to wrist, forearm, neck and ear
Result:
Nada again.
LOL you want in? Come to canada!
Gegogi
11-03-2006, 03:12 AM
For bars I find I need at least a
half pack of SOE, oft I go with the whole thang. I usually combo with half dozen to a dozen dabs of NPA. A quarter
pack or SOE and TE is more of a going to work dosage for me. With competition from crowds, smoke and loud music, you
gotta bump up against an OD to stand out.
I love Canada. As I recall from my college days the drinking age is
19 in Vancouver, they have real strip clubs and the Cannabis Cafe is way cool. Only prob is the USA border guards
can be real asses when they realize you're a bunch of drunk college students. I figured they were jealous they
weren't having any fun.
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