View Full Version : Can you seduce people with pheromones even against their will?
dunbar
10-10-2006, 08:37 PM
Is this possible? That the pheromones have such a strong effect on people that you could
seduce them against their will? Wouldn't this almost be something like rape? When you manipulate a person this way?
Where is the difference between using pheromones and seducing a woman and putting drugs into her drink?
Or do
pheromones not work this way?
live4themusic
10-10-2006, 08:53 PM
Sorry, are you asking if
we can rape people? If you have sex with someone against their will, that's rape.
Or are you asking if our
pheromone use can impair a person's judgement to the point where they should not be legally entitled to make
personal decisions regarding sex? If that's what you mean, then I haven't seen anyone affected that much by
pheromones, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
dunbar
10-10-2006, 08:57 PM
I am asking wether pheromones can
seduce a person to the point that she would have sex with you against her own will because this would basically be
rape. It would be the same as putting someone on drugs and then raping the person,imo.
Let's say your gf breaks up
with you and you put on the nones and seduce her knowing that she would never have had sex with you under normal
circumstances then this is basically rape or at least abuse. I just ask myself if this is possible.
live4themusic
10-10-2006, 09:16 PM
Hold up, even if you give
someone drugs or alcohol, they can still willfully have sex with you (maybe it is easier to forcefully rape them
also, but that is not what I'm talking about) The ethical question that arises is whether they're decision to have
sex with you is based on judgement so impaired that they should not be considered to be capable of giving such
consent (much like a child would be considered)
Now it is true that pheromones appeal to the primitive, or
reptilian, brain, and that this brain is sometimes in competition with the logical brain. However, I have done many
drugs and know that no pheromone I have experimented with so far (at least in realistic dosages, maybe it's
different when you get into 5000mcg+) have affected me or anyone around me to the same extent that drugs do. For
example, a high dose of Androstenol MAY have the same intensity of effect on some people that a single beer would,
but I doubt it's even that much, and I doubt people can be affected too much by the pheromones.
Now an
interesting question is whether or not there is a "multiplier effect" between pheromones and drugs. I have yet to
experience this, but I have read many hit reports of phero users who have had drunk people pretty much jump their
bones. On the other hand, drunk people often get this way without pheromones. If you're good-looking, dress nice,
carry yourself properly and at a bar, there's a good chance a drunk girl will try to sleep with you regardless of
whether you have game or good pheromones. So the question is whether or not pheromones influence people to the point
that it could tip them over the edge from thinking rationally to thinking irrationally.
I still don't think so,
but there's really no way to find out at this point.
If someone is completely sane, sober, and mentally
refreshed (a.k.a. not running on no sleep for a few days), then your pheromone use is not going to influence them to
sleep with you in a way that you could not also influence them through other methods (dressing nice, saying the
right things, looking good, etc.)
Pheromones are just one part of a package. Basically consider it like raising
your level of attractiveness by 1 point.
live4themusic
10-10-2006, 09:58 PM
Let's say
your gf breaks up with you and you put on the nones and seduce her knowing that she would never have had sex with
you under normal circumstances then this is basically rape or at least abuse. I just ask myself if this is
possible.
In a situation where your gf breaks up with you, without a doubt the best thing to do to get her
to have sex with you again is to let her see you with another girl you are having sex with who is hotter, cooler,
and smarter than her (assuming she didn't break up with you cause you cheated on her, and hence she is the 'hurt'
one in the relationship, not you)
So to say putting on pheromones would make her have sex with you against her
will is like saying that letting her see you with another girl causes her to have sex with you against her will. In
both situations, you are having to do something to raise her perceived value of you to get her to sleep with you
again. This doesn't mean she's acting against her will.
maxo-texas
10-10-2006, 10:25 PM
All things are possible-
perhaps in the 5 billion people out there someone is that sensative to phermones.
But it's not likely in the
real world. Otherwise you would see a lot of men and women able to successfully use it now.
If you are into
evolution- you have to assume something selected against phermones working that well in humans. Possibly the fact
that so many other factors matter to whether your child will grow up and be able to reproduce.
platinumfox
10-10-2006, 10:57 PM
Is this
possible? That the pheromones have such a strong effect on people that you could seduce them against their will?
Wouldn't this almost be something like rape? When you manipulate a person this way? Where is the difference between
using pheromones and seducing a woman and putting drugs into her drink?
Or do pheromones not work this
way?You are giving mones waaaay too much power.Mones makes you more attractive how can you compare that to
slipping a drug into someones drink?Humans naturally give off pheromones anyway even if it doesnt come from a
container.
I say getting a girl drunk and taking advantage of her is more like rape than using mones.Some
women get just as turned on from regular colognes would you consider that "near rape" as well?
You can't
make a person do something against their will even if you hypnotize them I know.So there is no way mones could force
a woman to take off all her clothes and have sex.The thought might cross her mind with mones but thats about it.
Muscle4Hire
10-10-2006, 10:59 PM
Let me just say that the
emotional responses a woman develops and remembers about you are WAY much more important that pheros. The mones can
get the ball rolling in the right direction. So for instance, if you piss off a woman because you had sex with her
best friend and then lied about it, you can wear 5 bottles of LT and WAGG... it won't do a damn thing. What will
happen is the pheros will tug at her saying "hey, he's a good guy, trust him" but her emotions will overide them
and say "those thoughts are bullshit, don't make sense... here's why you hate him"... the emotions will win hand
over fist anytime...
So, what I'm saying is learn how to create good emotions with women starting from first
contact and building up the ladder... pheros will help kick things off but if you're a dumbass or in a bad frame of
mind, go reframe yourself/get in a better mood and go for it then.
Later
smooth312
10-10-2006, 11:42 PM
PI is so incredible, you'll
seduce any woman on earth.
Seriously, since I've been using it daily, I laugh to myself when I see a hot girl
nowadays.
It's like I can get any girl to melt. Even when I see a celebrity on TV, I think, ha, she would melt
if she spent 5 min with me.
I walk into a room and all the girls stare all oogly-eyed.
Again...:box:
dunbar
10-11-2006, 12:44 AM
PI is so
incredible, you'll seduce any woman on earth.
Seriously, since I've been using it daily, I laugh to myself when
I see a hot girl nowadays.
It's like I can get any girl to melt. Even when I see a celebrity on TV, I think,
ha, she would melt if she spent 5 min with me.
I walk into a room and all the girls stare all oogly-eyed.
Again...:box:
are you serious?
but if all these stories here are true then mones do indeed have
a huge effect on people. this sounds way stronger than just a beer. when a woman drinks a beer she doesnt start to
stare at me or have a DIHL, whatever this is.
live4themusic
10-11-2006, 01:25 AM
are you serious?
but if all these stories here are true then mones do indeed have a huge effect on people. this sounds way
stronger than just a beer. when a woman drinks a beer she doesnt start to stare at me or have a DIHL, whatever this
is.
I believe smooth is the only user I have read to report the kinds of results he gets with the
consistency he gets. While I don't doubt he is telling the truth, he also mentioned in one of his posts that he is
very good-looking and has had DIHLs (Deer-in-headlights- a very focused, rapt look of attention a girl apparently
gives you when her interest levels skyrocket) even without pheromones.
Pheromones will only take you so far. It
seems like they have taken smooth from 10 to 11, but if you're starting out lower, you're not going to get the
same kinds of results, even if you have the perfect mix for yourself.
Every aspect of your personal appearance
(the combination of those you can control and those you can't) is important as well.
Personally, I have not had
great success with pheromones, but I feel like things are about to change for me, because everything I am doing is
starting to come together. I believe pheromones have played a role in this, but I will not say I am positive of
this, as I have been working on improving myself in many other ways concurrently. In order to determine exactly IF
it's the pheromones that are bringing me success, and if so which ones, I'm going to bring my 'game' level up to
about 7 (where I'm getting laid regularly), and then try to figure out how much of it is the pheromones and how
much of it is other work I've done.
I would say before pheromone use, I had dropped off to about a 3, although
long before that I had been as high as a 6 before. Right now I would say I'm somewhere between 4 and 5, where 5 is
getting laid with decent-looking girls every now and then. I think objectively (but don't tell this to me when I'm
off the boards) in looks, I'm about a 4 or 5 as well (for my age group and location). My 'game' was lower due to
a low mental state, the fact that I'm living with my parents, didn't have a car, thought I was going to jail, had
a minimum wage job, bad body language, vocal tonality, social skills, etc. Before that, when it was higher, I was
maybe a 6-8 in physical appearance (I think my hair loss, weight gain, body hair takeover, and a few other things
have hurt my physical appearance a bit, to the point where I noticed I was having trouble gaining compliance in some
ways that came easier to me before, when trying to hook up with a girl, but even though I've logically accepted it,
I've blocked myself from FEELING that way about myself). In addition to my more 'youthful' appearance (even
though I'm only 21 now), I was perceived as high value by my peers due to a combination of my intelligence, ability
to relate to people, living in an apartment with 2 cool roomates, and the fact that I was selling drugs, and making
good money and generally a fun person to be around (I got arrested and went to live with my parents after
that)
My point is that there's a LOT besides your pheromone output that you need to work on if you want to have
success with women (or people in general). You need to have EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE in order to have the most
success you can get. If you are making great money, then you could afford the cosmetic maintenance, gym membership,
and wardrobe updates to ensure you are at LEAST a 5 in appearance (no matter what your 'base' appearance is). Once
you have that, you need to know how to carry yourself, what to say, how to dress, how to keep yourself groomed, AND
how to maintain firm control of your pheromonal communication through synthetic -mones.
Good luck in your quest
for success!
Oh, in case you're wondering, I've only been on my self-improvement kick for about 3 months, but I
am putting in about 3-4 hours of studying how I can improve myself and reading related materials a day. My grades in
school might be suffering, but I do have a decent-paying job now, and everyone around me has noticed how I'm more
confident and self-assured. And I guarantee you it's not just the pheromones.
Gegogi
10-11-2006, 03:11 AM
Can you seduce people with
pheromones even against their will?
Sure, it works for insects and lower mammals. If only it were
that simple and easy for humans... Unfortunately, our massive brains get in the way of our tiny nads real fast. You
have as much chance at bedding someone against their will with pheromones as you would by wearing a nice shirt or
new pair of shoes. So, pretty dad burn slim.
Besides, if it were against their will it wouldn't be
seduction. It would be rape. You may get those somewhat willing but sitting on the fence to go for a roll in the hay
against their better judgement. However, they ultimately make a choice however whimsical it may be.
maxo-texas
10-11-2006, 07:01 AM
live... I think I had some of
the same issue about hair loss.
It bugged me- and I let them know it bugged me which is of course like saying,
"Be sure to look or think about the HUGE white expanse and how it bugs me!"
As I managed it and my feelings about
balding- it dropped in importance to the ladies too (except the 1% who just have to have long hair- which is
unrealistic on their part when you are talking about 45 year olds).
I accept my strong parts- easy going,
non-judgemental, humorous, great teeth (more of a factor as years of poor dental habits catch up with the other
guys), fit (huge numbers of guys bloat up bad in their 40's), smart, successful, no substance problems, yada yada
yada.
I don't know what having a collection of girlfriends puts me at- I'm not a 10, but it is a relative
thing- I may be a 9 among 40 year olds.
I have seen mones have a powerful effect on *some* females. I have seen
them make me much more funny, interesting, comfortable to be around to many females. I've never seen any "buyers
remorse" on the part of the ladies tho- so they don't regret the time later. If they did, I'd say the mones and
my "game" was putting them into a false state.
I do get a lot of comments that indicate they get into states
they *LIKE* being in and that many other men can't bring them to. Those statements intensified after I added in
mones and appropriate male behavior and became slightly more alpha than I "really" am.
Method
10-11-2006, 12:16 PM
im with gegogi...mones just
heighten your appearance...if phero use is rape then so is getting a nice haircut or wearing nice cologne
okay i can be silent no longer,
:LOL:
first, i work in a place where i decant my pheromones.
this
is a very public place.
i would be a horny MESS if pheromones, on a body or not, were to make me do anything i did
not already have in my mind to do prior.
this should actually be good news to the fellas; if a gal is all over you
and the deal is sealed, its all YOU,baby.
pheromones make me ballsier to act on what im thinking, and if im on the
fence they push me over, but they are nothing but a neon-sign saying " take a look! " . having said this, i still
dont ever want to be without them, they are too much damn fun!
SoCal
10-11-2006, 04:46 PM
Not that I have
had much success yet, but my feelings is this:
This aspect of
Pheromones remind me of hypnotism. I am not saying they are in a trance state. What I am saying is that if you were
in a trance state by a hypnotist, where you subconsciously take suggestions, you will NOT by any means do something
that your mind and body says no to. This includes morals. Therefore, no matter how strong the phero reaction, if the
girl does not WANT you, or does not WANT to sleep with you, then she will not. She will not act on something if she
feels it is wrong. The only reaction in my opinion is that pheros help you be noticed, and help you with your own
mood. NOTHING ELSE. The only involuntary thing that I can guess, and only because I have read it, is EW might make a
man physically aroused. But I have doubts about that one too being uncontrolled because I imagine if I do not want
to be turned on, or if I do not dig that girl, I don't think anything will get me noticeably
aroused.
I hate that I am shallow, but I am. A pretty girl can
wear mones and I will notice her, a not so pretty girl could wear mones and I may notice her, but I will not act,
because I am a shallow person (which I am working on changing). I always think of things that are not attractive
when I talk to a less than attractive person.
Just my
thoughts.
Monello
10-11-2006, 05:11 PM
You
Know Live and Maxo, you bring up an interesting point, intentionally or not. You mentioned that hair loss made you
horribly self conscious and thus created a negative effect. Yet one can take a Bruce Willis or Vin Diesel type
(hey I could say joe down the block but nobody on the forum likely knows Joe and I am making a point here!:lol:
) and they make bald sexy. Same circumstance different reaction. Sort of the glass is half full v. half empty
thinking. But beyond pessimism/optimism, it demonstrates, as you both discovered to your success, that it is
so much about attitude.
Incidentally, I have ordered Alpha 7 and will be very interested to see how it
works in with who I am compared to the Realm I tried a couple years or so ago. I have heard next to nothing about
Alpha 7 on this forum. Why is that?
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