TE not working

[trgl]

Well I just got my first

bottle of TE recently and the sample.
First I tried a TE gel pack on my neck and jacket collar and didn't get

any reaction not even an OD reaction which I found out later one pack of gel was too much. People were just being

their normal self.:sad: So I shower good that night and this time gave the spray a go. One spray on my wrist and one

on my neck. Again I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary either. :sad:

Please tell me what I'm doing

wrong guys and what I should do to fix it, thx.

[Method]

I've had my triumphs and

tribulations with TE. What i have found is that often OD reactions are harder to notice than hits. You're gonna

notice a girl checking you out but you're not gonna notice people avoiding you. start out with small dosages and

work your way up.

[trgl]

Well I went to the mall with oen

pack on me and I don't know if I stink or not. I notice everything was normal but maybe people normally avoid me.

Well I'll try it again tonight to see how it goes, still I think this whole pheromone business just seem too good

to be true.

Edit: The reason I put on a lot is because I thought might need more than an average white guy

since I'm an Asian guy with scrawny build, so I couldn't imagine anyone be intimidate of me.

[eric_pelletier_tw]

start at 1/2 or 1/4

pack (i started at 1/16) but still i need more testing....

or start at one spray (if spray thingy)

[Gegogi]

still I think this whole

pheromone business just seem too good to be true.

Like most good things in life, the sucessful use of

artifical pheromones requires a great deal of knowledge and skill to make it effective. You need to experiment with

amounts and combinations to find what works with your unique pheromome signature and persona. Nevertheless, even a

perfect application will not defeat a loser, negative attitude or poor social skills. For best results, you need to

work on the total package, e.g., appearance, social skills and status.

The best way to think of 'mones is as an

enhancement of the real you. It amps you up and makes you a little bigger than life. If you're depressed or

negative, that gets amped up too, so you gotta have your ducks in a row. 'Mones ain't a free lunch or magic pill.

It took me several months to nail down the basics and start getting fairly consistent results.

[trgl]

Gegogi:
If it really does work

then I'm willing to put forth all the effort but I just don't want to waste my time on something that just seem

too good to be true. Nevertheless I'm the only person that can convince myself.

But the reason I turned to

mone is because this is the last year in highschool for me and I want to enjoy it as much as possible. But this is

hard for me because I'm label as the nerd which makes it hard for me to get respect from the jocks with lower IQ

because they think they are better than me for some reason. Also I'm curse with facial hyperhidrosis which

altogether turn me completely antisocial the past two years.
But thank the lord a lot of Asian chicks dig me for

some reason I'm still trying to figure out.

So recently I got tired of this because this really hot Asian

girl start talking to me all the time. Then I found out from her friends that she liked me. But the problem is I was

so used to being antisocial I couldn't talk to the girl and we usually get those akward silent moment. After a

while she gave up on me and went after another guy. So I'm banging my head on the wall cursing at myself for

passing up the opportunity cause I never got the gut to even ask for her phone number. So after about three weeks

she dump the guy and I notice she give me the occasional stare all the time, so I'm helping mone will help me a

little bit here and get me a little bit more respect.

I'm starting to think TE wasn't the best idea for

this but come Wednesday I'll give it a go in school and see what happen.

BTW: How many times do I have to

wash my jacket to get the mone off?

[Mtnjim]

But the problem is I

was so used to being antisocial I couldn't talk to the girl and we usually get those akward silent moment. After a

while she gave up on me and went after another guy.

TE nor any ~mone is not going to "fix" this.

You need to fix this. After you do, then ~mones will make you a more "better" you. ~Mones simply enhance that which

is you, they won't make women rip off their clothes and rape you without you saying a word. You'll want to start

working on this now, because when you get into college...

There are lots of people here that will work with you

on this, just ask.

Also, perhaps TE will never "work" for you, everybodys different and what works for me may be

a total failure for you. For example lots of people think AE is "the bomb", for me, total failure, not a thing, go

figure.


By the way, :welcome:

[trgl]

Thanks for the advice man but I

think the reason I'm antisocial is because of the hyperhidrosis I'm hoping that won't be a problem because I'm

trying to find a way to fix it. Once that happen I'll use mone to give me a little help.
And yes college is

nearing and I really don't wanna be left out of the fun.

Edit: Let me rephrase that , I go to a special

highschool with only 400 people that is located on a college campus. The whole program is pretty sweet because I get

two years college credit once I graduate after just 4 years of highschool.
And there is A LOT of gifted college

girls around that just walk by me like I'm invisible:rant: , so that was another reason I turn to mone.

[Mtnjim]

Thanks for the advice

man but I think the reason I'm antisocial is because of the hyperhidrosis I'm hoping that won't be a problem

because I'm trying to find a way to fix it. ...

{tough love/on}So you sweat, big deal. Once you work on

gaining some confidence, that'll take care of itself. Then you'll need to find another excuse.{tough love/off}

[bronzie]

trgl, listen carefully to mjim,

he knows more then any us in here, some things only come with experience, and he has it

.mones will not help

your growing pains! if you use them as a placebo effect fine, but i wouldnt rely on them for this either

[eric_pelletier_tw]

A- i havent figured out how to use the mones but i KNOW its a trial error thing
B- if you cant "read"

a person is interested in you HOW THE HELL you figure your gona do with it mones ?
C- i read somwhere none dosent

work so well with Asian chix
D- Get a Grip man,your a nerd SO WHAT!??


ok here is some sugesstion

1-

nerd: did it occur to you you might be borring ? get some subject to talk about ... be funny
2- BODY LANGUAGE!!!!

this is how you "read" somone : air flipping feet pointing at you (moving towards you with her feet loose in the

shoe) are just signs to look for (better lern to awnser to those sings in body langage too )
3- mone like said

before are a TOOL if you have a hamer dosent mean you can hit a nail with it! Trial & error man... just like evry

body else...
4- check the basics :
-clothing
-tidyness (be clean& smell clean)
-hair cleaned & combed
-TEETHS

(clean them & wash your mouth & carry A pack of fresh breath gums)
5- start conversations with complete strangers

(at school) [girls mostly] this will help your confidence

[trgl]

1-Good point there, to strangers I

seem boring but I'm really not and I'm pretty funny, one of the few things I have going for me. But I try to tone

down the funny thing a bit lately because I learned it's hard to earn people's respect this way.

2-This

reading body language is still new to me so maybe it's working and I don't know it.

3-Well

said

4-Got the basic going but I'm worry I might stink and not know it because TE unscented smell good to

me but many people said it smell like piss.

5-I have never done that in my life. One time I was sitting alone

during lunch in the hall doing my homework, then this beautiful girl sat beside me ( 3 feet away) for about 30

minutes and neither of us said one word. I think I really need to work on this one but I just have no idea

how.

I also agree with you about the Asian chix not agreeing with high none(most of them are too scare to

talk to me as it is) but I guess I'll find out come time for school.

[windcloud]

Like most good

things in life, the sucessful use of artifical pheromones requires a great deal of knowledge and skill to make it

effective. You need to experiment with amounts and combinations to find what works with your unique pheromome

signature and persona. Nevertheless, even a perfect application will not defeat a loser, negative attitude or poor

social skills. For best results, you need to work on the total package, e.g., appearance, social skills and

status.

The best way to think of 'mones is as an enhancement of the real you. It amps you up and makes you a

little bigger than life. If you're depressed or negative, that gets amped up too, so you gotta have your ducks in a

row. 'Mones ain't a free lunch or magic pill. It took me several months to nail down the basics and start getting

fairly consistent results.

First post :)
Have to agree with u. Mones are an enhancement(big enhancement

though).
I tried various combinations with A314,PI,SOE,NPA and LT and initially I couldn't believe my

eyes/ears.
I get DIHLs at clubs and upon acting almost immediately on the DIHLs with a big smile and non-chalant

"hello", the door is opened. Talk about enhancement! Never ever been this easy before the use of mones.
Blatant

sexual advances were just unbelieveable. Initially, I thought it may be a coincidence or a placebo effect but when I

met 2 gals(best friends) I wasn't so sure anymore. One of them started kissing my arm while moving my hand towards

her undies.
Her best friend was so perplexed and shocked at her reaction. It's through the friend's reaction that

I realized it's the mones.

I also observed that mones are optimized when gals get high on booze and their

inhibitions set loose.

[live4themusic]

:blink:

Do you happen

to remember what you were wearing that night Windcloud? That has to be the most impressive hit I've read about

here.

[Mohammad Shah]

Well I just

got my first bottle of TE recently and the sample.
First I tried a TE gel pack on my neck and jacket collar and

didn't get any reaction not even an OD reaction which I found out later one pack of gel was too much. People were

just being their normal self.:sad: So I shower good that night and this time gave the spray a go. One spray on my

wrist and one on my neck. Again I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary either. :sad:

Please tell me what

I'm doing wrong guys and what I should do to fix it, thx.

Dear trgl,

Normally the absence of result

is cause by our personal attitude. Sometimes we have to look into ourselfs bcoz most of the answers that we are

looking are within. Pheromones are not magic, just use it daily, be cheerful, friendly & helpful towards people.

Normally people will avoid someone who has negative attitude or like you mentioned - antisocial. How do you expect

to see 'good results' with this?

Always interact with people, it doesn't matter if they ignored

you.Everything has ratios. Listen more and talk less. Show that you're paying attention on what she's saying (if

you want to attract a woman). Have interest in the other party's topics of conversation. The most important thing

is to be 'positive'. And for the pheromones, whether it works or not, it's a different story...

Mohammad

Shah
(An Asian too)

[Lor]

{tough love/on}So you

sweat, big deal. Once you work on gaining some confidence, that'll take care of itself. Then you'll need to find

another excuse.{tough love/off}
your skill with the switch knows no equal.

:thumbsup:

what a great

thread!
i really hope others get a look, its speaks to alot of the issues in so few words.....
i cant imagine

anyone not comming away with something from here.

[Mtnjim]

your skill with the

switch knows no equal.

:thumbsup:



Gee thanks! <blush>:wub:

[eric_pelletier_tw]

Body language (BL) my

friend is evry thing i actualy have a story about that but to keep it short : forget about DIHL stuff this girl was

so into me ... cuz BL experience i did (i didnt say a f*kn word ! ) aslo im shure of all that trust me on this BL is

so cool...


Edit:oh about that last thing its simple start asking time (leave your watch at home helps a

bit)
start with a old lady or somthing soon you will find its just in your head : how do you think a salesman does

it ?
a good strategy is to start in your class & move up ..
say hi to a diffrent girl evry day for a week then

say hi my name is "dude" do you know what time it is?
then try diffrent subjet like nice dress ,shoes hair-do

think of somthing
then move up a litle longer & longer conversation with diffrent ppl all the time ....

"Break

the ice not your spirit you idiot!":thumbsup:

[restless]

1-Good point there, to strangers I seem boring but I'm really not and I'm pretty funny, one of the

few things I have going for me. But I try to tone down the funny thing a bit lately because I learned it's hard to

earn people's respect this way.

2-This reading body language is still new to me so maybe it's working and I

don't know it.

3-Well said

4-Got the basic going but I'm worry I might stink and not know it

because TE unscented smell good to me but many people said it smell like piss.

5-I have never done that in my

life. One time I was sitting alone during lunch in the hall doing my homework, then this beautiful girl sat beside

me ( 3 feet away) for about 30 minutes and neither of us said one word. I think I really need to work on this one

but I just have no idea how.

I also agree with you about the Asian chix not agreeing with high none(most of

them are too scare to talk to me as it is) but I guess I'll find out come time for school.

Some

comments:
1) Not exatcly. Being fun ONLY won´t realy earn you instant respect, but it helps a lot with breaking

the ice and creating a nice atmosphere; once it´s done, it´ll be easier for you to show other parts of your

character. Just don´t be the court´s clown.

2) There´s a number of good books and e-books (including free

ones) dealing with BL. The best way of really learning about it is to watch other people, specially when you´re not

in the spotlight. Observe other groups, how people in it react to some words and moves, try to understand what the

gestures mean and, of course, confirm them later on the "bibliography" you have. Take quick notes for yourself if

necessary. You won´t be able to interpret what they´re saying to you (and thus you won´t reply correctly) if you

can´t see what happens to others.

4) That´s a bit hard, but the best thing is to ask people that know you

well and do care about you. For example, my sister and one of my cousins play a big role in this "How´s this

shirt?", "Do I look nice?", "Do I smell bad?" thing. This may be a bit unconfortable in the beginning, but it ain´t

any trauma. ;) After some time, you won´t need to ask anymore.

5) it´s probably the worst part if you think

it is, or the best one if you wish to believe it. ;) The "ask the time" approach works quite nice; when I entered

college, I used to leave my watch at home or even in the pocket just to have this excuse.

If you´re not used

to start conversations, I´d advice you to try practicing when you´re in a good mood, avoid it when you´re down. The

reason is simple: if you get a bad result when you already don´t feel good, you´ll stick too much to it and be

depressed, while good results won´t have a great effect in your mind. Besides, it´s hard to show people how good you

are when you don´t THINK you are. So, do think you ARE. ;) But be aware that for each success, there will ALWAYS be

various failures.

Write down in a sheet of paper you good qualities, and maybe even some other you wish to

(and can) afford to have by yourself. Then hang it in a visible place, read it every day start and every singe time

you see it, think "Hey, I really AM this, and it´s good". Watch other people´s qualities, try to figure out how they

afford to have them, and eventually (not often) ask them about some points, like "hey, how can you maintain this

large smile all day long?", they´ll probably answer with something you could use too.

Sounds stupid, but it´s

guaranteed to work. Once you´re aware of, and maximizing your qualities (and THEN the ´mones will be working

really nice), you can begin working out your bad parts - but probably not before this moment. :thumbsup:

At

last, sorry for the long post, though I tried to be brief... and may the force be with you!

[windcloud]

:blink:

Do you happen to remember what you were wearing that night Windcloud? That has

to be the most impressive hit I've read about here.
yes I do. I keep a log book on my dosage/mix ratio n

hits/lack of with each combo.
I was wearing A314/NPA 2 drops each n 1/2 pack SOE n 2 sprays LT. As the night

progressed n the ladies got friskier, I excused myself n reapplied 6 inches of A314/NPA/Cologne with 1:1:3ratio

respectively .

[windcloud]

Haven't had any hits

for a few days. I may have mone residual issues resulting in OD. Gonna stop using mones for a few days. Anybody

with the same problem?

[trgl]

Some

comments:
1) Not exatcly. Being fun ONLY won´t realy earn you instant respect, but it helps a lot with breaking

the ice and creating a nice atmosphere; once it´s done, it´ll be easier for you to show other parts of your

character. Just don´t be the court´s clown.

2) There´s a number of good books and e-books (including free

ones) dealing with BL. The best way of really learning about it is to watch other people, specially when you´re not

in the spotlight. Observe other groups, how people in it react to some words and moves, try to understand what the

gestures mean and, of course, confirm them later on the "bibliography" you have. Take quick notes for yourself if

necessary. You won´t be able to interpret what they´re saying to you (and thus you won´t reply correctly) if you

can´t see what happens to others.

4) That´s a bit hard, but the best thing is to ask people that know you

well and do care about you. For example, my sister and one of my cousins play a big role in this "How´s this

shirt?", "Do I look nice?", "Do I smell bad?" thing. This may be a bit unconfortable in the beginning, but it ain´t

any trauma. ;) After some time, you won´t need to ask anymore.

5) it´s probably the worst part if you think

it is, or the best one if you wish to believe it. ;) The "ask the time" approach works quite nice; when I entered

college, I used to leave my watch at home or even in the pocket just to have this excuse.

If you´re not used

to start conversations, I´d advice you to try practicing when you´re in a good mood, avoid it when you´re down. The

reason is simple: if you get a bad result when you already don´t feel good, you´ll stick too much to it and be

depressed, while good results won´t have a great effect in your mind. Besides, it´s hard to show people how good you

are when you don´t THINK you are. So, do think you ARE. ;) But be aware that for each success, there will ALWAYS be

various failures.

Write down in a sheet of paper you good qualities, and maybe even some other you wish to

(and can) afford to have by yourself. Then hang it in a visible place, read it every day start and every singe time

you see it, think "Hey, I really AM this, and it´s good". Watch other people´s qualities, try to figure out how they

afford to have them, and eventually (not often) ask them about some points, like "hey, how can you maintain this

large smile all day long?", they´ll probably answer with something you could use too.

Sounds stupid, but it´s

guaranteed to work. Once you´re aware of, and maximizing your qualities (and THEN the ´mones will be working

really nice), you can begin working out your bad parts - but probably not before this moment. :thumbsup:

At

last, sorry for the long post, though I tried to be brief... and may the force be with you!


OK I

think it's my fault that I made it sound like I was completely antisocial and don't know how to talk to people. I

was very sociable up until a year ago so I do know how to socialize with other people when I want to. It's just

that I tend to shy away from hanging out in groups because I don't enjoy it much. But guys lets not make this

problem all about me and not mone since after all this is a pheromone forum. I realize I need to work on some stuff

but that is my personal problem and I'll sort it out myself.
However I like to know from some long time mone

user on why after 4 spray of TE I'm getting no OD reaction, in fact I talk more today than I did in a long

time:blink: .
Does anyone think I should try more than 4 sprays to see what happen?

[eric_pelletier_tw]

i would try to OD just

for the sake of knowing limits ex: i get 1/4 of TE get no reaction so i increase doses till i get OD reactions witch

sets the upper barrier of OD/bad smell limit so from that point you can go back & set thing more adjusted : if you

tried at 1/2 TEgel & then at 1 TEgel
the if you OD at 1 1/2 you then can test at 1/4 ,3/4 ,1 1/4 & 1 3/4
note:

always try for several days at the same dosage (to see if it wasnt somthing else that trew off the reactions)
im

still testing so im far from success ...

[tman6919]

I found It took a lot of TE for

me to OD. I really think NPA is greate because i apper to have low none levels. I have to bathe in TE to feel

affects but i only use mones in clubs/bars etc

[Mohammad Shah]

Talking of TE &

androstenone, I read somewhere in the forum that older person has low a-none level. Can any expert out there verify

this? I'm waiting for my Beginners Kit to arrive somewhere this week I hope.

[restless]

OK I think it's my

fault that I made it sound like I was completely antisocial and don't know how to talk to people. I was very

sociable up until a year ago so I do know how to socialize with other people when I want to. It's just that I tend

to shy away from hanging out in groups because I don't enjoy it much. But guys lets not make this problem all about

me and not mone since after all this is a pheromone forum. I realize I need to work on some stuff but that is my

personal problem and I'll sort it out myself.
[...]
Oooops... sorry, guess I got it entirely wrong.

:trout: Then I'll just hope it may help someone else. :D

I don't know TE, but if my short-term experiences

with scented IMPI count, I found that one only spray at the adam's apple, spread by one wrist to each ear, is far

better than 2 sprays, with wich I get... absolutely nothing. Any unusual reaction, positive or

negative.

Someone said here that Impi is weaker than TE or NPA, so starting back from one spray may be nice.

;) Also, following a tip somewhere in this forum, I recently started to slightly rub my shirt's collar to my neck

after appliance, and this seems to amp the effects a little - but I'm still talking about scented Impi. Eric's

tips work for sure too. :thumbsup:

[woofa1]

Mones doesnt maketh the person.

The person must make himself.

May seem a little deep but from my experience this is the reality. Mones may help

but if you havent got your game going it may become is a futile effort.

By game i mean knowing thyself, learning

from mistakes in life, and having awareness. Through spiritual practises meditation, yoga, reading etc. This can be

achieved, but its a journey and everyone has one. We shoudnt get dissapointed if a particurlar mone doesnt have the

desired effect. Think of it in this context the mones are part of your journey? Learn from them ? By the way te does

not work for me either , but NPA does? You beauty.:lovestruc

[bronzie]

Mones doesnt

maketh the person. The person must make himself.

May seem a little deep but from my experience this is the

reality. Mones may help but if you havent got your game going it may become is a futile effort.

By game i

mean knowing thyself, learning from mistakes in life, and having awareness. Through spiritual practises meditation,

yoga, reading etc. This can be achieved, but its a journey and everyone has one. We shoudnt get dissapointed if a

particurlar mone doesnt have the desired effect. Think of it in this context the mones are part of your journey?

Learn from them ? By the way te does not work for me either , but NPA does? You

beauty.:lovestruc


great words of wisdom Woofa.....
:box: :box: :box: :box: :box: :box:

[gaf]

Today I went shopping and was in a

great mood , engaged lots of assistants in small talk , flirted with a few for the fun of it. In short got several

hits.... but here's the thing, I havn't worn any mones for about a week. It was all me.
The first thing you need

to work on is yourself , mones only amplify "the you" at the time. But you know this by now....
Good luck!

[trgl]

Well guys after two weeks I'm

pretty sure I got what jambat called the TE effect. I got no response from women but the guys are more talkative and

respect me a lot more. Exmple would be, I was waiting for a ride home in school and I was tired of waiting so went

to take a leak. When I came back this one guys ask me if that white honda was my ride so I said yes. Next thing I

know he is running after the car hollering for it to come back:rofl: .I'm like WTF this guy is a stranger not even

my friends would do that for me.
So now I need to know what to do, honestly I'm flattered but I wasn't looking

to attract guys so WTF do I do?:rant:
Lol maybe I accidently got TE for women.

[sep]

Not every incident is going to be

related to the mones man. That might've been an accident... well not an accident, but the guy was nice, happens.

Not everyone is evil on this planet.

Here's the deal: when I read the stories on this forum, it sounds like

people just get a boost in confidence. Keep reading how "this girl looked at me" or "she came to the classroom and

sat next to me" or "she looked confused as soon as she came by", etc. The confused thing is the best part... how can

you tell she was confused? And if she was, how do you know that has something to do with you?? The other examples,

I'm just guessing that they happen everyday but the person realizes them at that particular time because either (1)

the mones have given him a psychological boost of confidence or (2) they're just regular meaningless actions that

the person with the mones THINKS is related to him, but most probably isn't.

Anyways... I just got my stuff in

the package today. 1st time I'm gonna use em. Chikara, TE, SOE gel packs. As someone who hinges on thinking this

stuff is all bulls***, I'm gonna try and be objective and will post my results on a separate page of course (I

don't think pheromones are bs, but the external ones).

[eric_pelletier_tw]

1st-forgiveme sep (&

moderators)
but you post that mones dont work & you havent tried any yet ??

2nd - as it has been said many

many many.... times mones dont make you who you are you make you who you are! sorry if this sounds redundant
3rd -

yes i got MANY hist WITHOUT mones but that is not why i am here & i think lots of ppl will agree : im here becose my

"hits" arnt predictable & verry sporadic in nature. I personally have lots of trouble breaking the ice & if mones

are the awnser then im in the right place.

4th im still testing & within the first week i saw "results".

coincidence i do not think so since i was looking for clues of hits way before mones... (i tried to study body

language first thats why & even got a balatant hit ...

so before saying mones are bs outside or not it might be

a good idea to actualy be more scientific & this mone dosent work for ME ... so ill try somthing else...

note :

yes i do think alot of ppl take advantage of ppl like us trying to gain profit but some ppl are honest & do theire

best : thanks bruce & tammy got my order... LS is as honest as it gets from what i have seen. best service ever that

i have recieved on my many online purchase. so i dont think mones are phony but i do use caution when i get them in

my use my assessment & my purchase.

[sep]

Eric

I NEVER said they don't

work, never. Go find a quote and if you do, I'll leave this forum for good, forever.

What I did say is that from

what I read, I sometimes get the impression that people are just falling for the "self-fulfilling prophecy", as

someone mentioned in another thread. You always used to get the hints before but never noticed them, and start

noticing them because of the mones you're wearing (more confident, more aware and consciouss). In addition, you

might interpret an accident or a regular eye contact or whatever as a hint because of the same reasons.

Again,

not saying they don't work, but that a lot of what I read SEEMS TO ME to be ... accidents or just stories. Again,

that's my observation, an observation which I say might be only 30% correct. The 70%... well that's why I

purchased them and I've been using mones since yesterday. I got a thread going on posting the results. So far

nothing, but I'm still going on with the experiment.

Not here to fight or stir emotions. I just honestly want to

find out if they work, but I have my doubts to start with.

[eric_pelletier_tw]

Hum sorry if i

missunderstood you
but basicaly what im saying is :
if you are too negative you might have a

"self-fulfiling-prophecy" yourself in a negative way, be open minded .

I like you was verry skeptic at first but

the more i read, the more i experiment , the more i learn.
learn about what ? about life ,ppl , interactions on

diffrent levels than speach.

That last thing says that im also here by curiosity. i realy like to learn
i

belive that evry body is eaqual
- i dont have lots of $
- im not a stud (6/10 on avrage)
- im especialy not tidy

(clean cut)
But on the plus side:
+ im intelligent
+ im healty (well soso... )
+ i know where to put my $$
+

im "debrouillard" (french)

so evry body as + & - sides
but if a bit of mones opens up the ppl around me a litle

this might do the trick, so thats mostly why ppl are here
i think:chage the variables in theire interactions. so

best to keep neutral & be as open as you can so the balance dont fall on one side or the other (no resutls /too much

results) that way you are more objective & less opiniated (side already chosen)
if pheromones work in cats why

would it not in humans : we are more sofisticated & our interactions are too ... so mones play a smaller

part....
that is what i think :keep on testing ...like i do

Edit : i think it was edison who said :"i didnt

fail a 100 times, i found 100 ways not to make a light bulb but i only needed one way to make it work..."

[sep]

I'm all with Edison. I am inclined

to think this stuff doesn't work, but I'm trying to keep an open mind as much as possible, and to keep testing and

testing and testing and testing until I've convinced myself that this stuff doesn't work because I don't have any

evidence to support it.
I'm negative, but I'm trying my best to put aside the negativity.

[Mohammad Shah]

I'm all with

Edison. I am inclined to think this stuff doesn't work, but I'm trying to keep an open mind as much as possible,

and to keep testing and testing and testing and testing until I've convinced myself that this stuff doesn't work

because I don't have any evidence to support it.
I'm negative, but I'm trying my best to put aside the

negativity.

I loved Edison's spirit. To invent the incandescent lamp was tough but to find out which

pheromone will work for me is even tougher! So I guess like you, I've to keep on trying.

Shah.

[live4themusic]

I'm all with

Edison. I am inclined to think this stuff doesn't work, but I'm trying to keep an open mind as much as possible,

and to keep testing and testing and testing and testing until I've convinced myself that this stuff doesn't work

because I don't have any evidence to support it.
I'm negative, but I'm trying my best to put aside the

negativity.

Sep, I'm going to give you a couple more tips that I don't believe anyone has given you so

far.

First off, a lot of people claim that you will have less of an effect on people you know well than on people

you don't know. I find this claim problematic, because I have no experience with someone I don't know to base

whether or not their behavior is out of sorts with how they normally act. While it may be true that you affect them

more (though I have no idea how one could even determine this without the observation of a third entity who is

familiar with how the person you just encountered normally behaves), I have definitely found acquaintances and

friends of mine to be affected, in a few cases, pretty drastically. So definitely don't exclude them from your

testing.

The other thing that a lot of newcomers have been told is to purposefully OD. Personally, I think an OD

reaction is no indication of a pheromone reaction, because if I ODed on Patchouli or Sandalwood or Armani Code, you

can bet I would get reactions that are odor-dependent. However, if you have an unscented product as of right now (I

don't know if the Edge Gelpacks are scented or not) then you can use an OD to determine whether or not the

pheromones are affecting people. Try putting on 10 times the amount you normally see recommended of an androstenone

product such as NPA, and I guarantee you you'll have a lot of people keeping some distance from you. I've noticed

with higher amounts of -none, I treat other (straight) males and they treat me as if we are in competition. Most

women are pretty put off, but from farther away (like 5-10 feet) I might catch them checking me out.

[sep]

Thanks, live. I'll try to OD next

week.
Btw, this isn't my thread... I didn't mean to hijack it. I have another thread going on in case you want to

give me advices, etc.

[live4themusic]

Good point, but all of

this should apply to trgl as well.