sex

[Regret]

Hi, I

suppose I am new, to you, as the people here, have changed since I was a regular contributor, but then, that was

some seven years ago, I have now reregistered under an other username as I could not remember the last one, I

searched the archives but they don’t go back far enough,
Pheromones are

great fun and with the right attitude they will give you the edge, they are not miracle get you laid scent, you

still need to smile and talk, be clean and presentable, if you take all of that as a whole package, they can be

dynamite, I have had enormous fun and pleasure with them, and found, to a degree, they did what was expected of

them. Now, for my main point, - rubbers? Or Jonnies? Yes I mean CONDOMS!! Wear them, use them, never, forget them.

You are not completely dressed, unless you have them in your pocket! Remember!! CONDOMS, CONDOMS,

CONDOMS.
They stop STD infections. They stop HIV/AIDS, this stuff is

out there. And its BITTING, I know, it don’t feel sexy stopping, to put one on, but she will thank you after, and

you will thank your self, believe me, I have seen it, done it and worn the pheromone, unfortunately not the condom,

I never took the advice I am giving you and this year I fell seriously ill, after many many tests, I was told that I

have HIV so if an old Heterosexual like me can get it, so can YOU. Please take my

advice, let me be the last person here to be infected, Have fun, have fun with your pheromones, But be safe, there

are now more heterosexual than homosexual infections, one out of three new infections is now a women, so be safe use

a Latex condom always, sorry to be a bore, but I feel robbed, dirty, unclean, a leper. I know I should not

moan, after all, I had a choice, and I chose wrong, at the end of the day, it’s my own fault. So, here I am waiting

to start a battery of pills to keep me alive, I always thought it could not happen to me, it’s a “gay bug” but here

I am, I no longer want sex, I don’t really want a relationship, how can you be with someone, and live in fear of

infecting them. Then there is the Anxiety of this condition, the Chronic Fatigue where the bug sucks every last bit

of energy from you, and not to forget the IO’s (opportunistic infections) if it’s out there, it’s got your name on

it.
So, just wear the condom, and I will do this other stuff. Oh, one

last thing, they can treat you, but there ain’t NO cure.



John (a.k.a “Regret” oh yes, I have a few?)

[MiChAeL JoRDaN]

thanks for the

information, that was a big help.... i will definetly keep that with me forever, well good luck with everything, i

hope you live a long and relatively healthy life.:box:

[Spherx]

Thx man i appreciate the

knowledge. I give you so much.....words cannot describe.....you are what bravery should be about. Not a lot of

people can come out and do what you did. thank you for the knowledge and letting us all get a reality check, on

whats really out there.

[Gegogi]

I find mutual masterbation to

actually be more of a turn-on than getting it wet. My last GF could really put on a nice show. And it's much safer

than using a condom for intercourse. I've broken many a rubber over the years...

[tounge]

And it's much safer

than using a condom for intercourse. I've broken many a rubber over the years...








Agree. Condoms are not foolproof against pregnancy and the HIV virus has been known to

permeate through condoms.

It is always best to know your partner very well and don't tke large risks.

[Regret]

Tounge. May I suggest that you read up on condoms before you make accusations of permeability as latex

condoms are 100% non permeable, please state correct facts as hear say can lead to mistakes and inevitably

infection. And there are young people who are venturing out in to the big sexual world, they need to be protected.

May I suggest a few web site to better your knowledge, www.nam.com (http://www.nam.com/)

www.aidsmeds.com (http://www.aidsmeds.com/)

www.poz.com (http://www.poz.com/)

www.tht.org.uk (http://www.tht.org.uk/)


It is also advisable to use a water based lube, that water based and

not oil based, that should elevate the chances of braking.

[terry0400-40]

Hi, I suppose I am new, to you, as the people

here, have changed since I was a regular contributor, but then, that was some seven years ago, I have now

reregistered under an other username as I could not remember the last one, I searched the archives but they don’t go

back far enough,
Pheromones are great fun and with the right attitude

they will give you the edge, they are not miracle get you laid scent, you still need to smile and talk, be clean and

presentable, if you take all of that as a whole package, they can be dynamite, I have had enormous fun and pleasure

with them, and found, to a degree, they did what was expected of them. Now, for my main point, - rubbers? Or

Jonnies? Yes I mean CONDOMS!! Wear them, use them, never, forget them. You are not completely dressed, unless you

have them in your pocket! Remember!! CONDOMS, CONDOMS, CONDOMS.
They

stop STD infections. They stop HIV/AIDS, this stuff is out there. And its BITTING, I know, it don’t feel sexy

stopping, to put one on, but she will thank you after, and you will thank your self, believe me, I have seen it,

done it and worn the pheromone, unfortunately not the condom, I never took the advice I am giving you and this year

I fell seriously ill, after many many tests, I was told that I have HIV so if an old Heterosexual like

me can get it, so can YOU. Please take my advice, let me be the last person here to be infected, Have

fun, have fun with your pheromones, But be safe, there are now more heterosexual than homosexual infections, one out

of three new infections is now a women, so be safe use a Latex condom always, sorry to be a bore, but I feel

robbed, dirty, unclean, a leper. I know I should not moan, after all, I had a choice, and I chose wrong, at the end

of the day, it’s my own fault. So, here I am waiting to start a battery of pills to keep me alive, I always thought

it could not happen to me, it’s a “gay bug” but here I am, I no longer want sex, I don’t really want a relationship,

how can you be with someone, and live in fear of infecting them. Then there is the Anxiety of this condition, the

Chronic Fatigue where the bug sucks every last bit of energy from you, and not to forget the IO’s (opportunistic

infections) if it’s out there, it’s got your name on it.
So, just wear

the condom, and I will do this other stuff. Oh, one last thing, they can treat you, but there ain’t NO cure.



John (a.k.a “Regret” oh yes, I have a few?) Seeing that all

viral infections can be wiped out with Ozone treatment so easy and so cheap no dramas no regrets, just a fresh

start, but of course the remedy is not easily accepted by the minds of some because it is so simple and so cheap,

and some people think that treatment has to be expensive to work.Well for a man who is 55 and told by the doctors

and specialists that i wouldnt get to 30 i really do know better, it only takes Study and APPLICATION, But some find

it very comforting to live with their little very special afflictions, after all they get attention and consessions

and of cource only heaps of money can make us better it has to be a lot, or even better a new great scientific

discovery. OK this isnt directed at you personally Regret, just at so many who say we havent got a chance. I have

seen Ozone utterley obliterate aids and other sneaky viral conditions including very serious cancers. Elements in

our society do and will suppress the effacy of ozone treatment, and the pharmaceutical companys are the worst at

distributing bullshit, and manufacturing scientific reasons why simple and inexpensive treatments wont work, as they

will do anything to protect their form of income the parasites.

[Gegogi]

It is also advisable to

use a water based lube, that water based and not oil based, that should elevate the chances of

braking.

No problems hea wiz 'braking!" Ah tend ta accelerate ma stroke due to ma great stamina. Hot

damn, ah has ta make myself stop befores ah hump her dry or rip da scumbag. Also yo as ta dispose of yo' used

scumbag well or yo might be surprised wiz da resulting baby 9 months yonder. Apparently it's common fo' bitches

'round des parts ta pour yo' seed down da snatch while yo on smoke break.

[tounge]

Tounge. May I suggest that you read up on condoms before you make accusations of permeability as latex

condoms are 100% non permeable, please state correct facts as hear say can lead to mistakes and inevitably

infection. And there are young people who are venturing out in to the big sexual world, they need to be protected.

May I suggest a few web site to better your knowledge, www.nam.com (http://www.nam.com/)

www.aidsmeds.com (http://www.aidsmeds.com/)

www.poz.com (http://www.poz.com/)

www.tht.org.uk (http://www.tht.org.uk/)


It is also advisable to use a water based lube, that water based and

not oil based, that should elevate the chances of braking.






Dude,

you are the one who is preaching fools gold to the young. Latex condoms are not 100% nonpermeable. Yes, they have a

better efficacy rate than natural membrane condoms, but they are not 100% effective. And you are using the

permeability issue as a smokescreen. The condom is more likely to fail due to misuse or breakage.

The best

way to prevent HIV is to avoid drug needle sharing , stay away from anal sex, and avoid partners who have HIV or any

STD for that matter.

Sorry pal, but I don't sing the politically correct tune.

[terry0400-40]

No problems hea wiz 'braking!" Ah tend ta accelerate ma stroke due to ma great stamina. Hot damn, ah

has ta make myself stop befores ah hump her dry or rip da scumbag. Also yo as ta dispose of yo' used scumbag well

or yo might be surprised wiz da resulting baby 9 months yonder. Apparently it's common fo' bitches 'round des

parts ta pour yo' seed down da snatch while yo on smoke break. Ha ha it wouldnt do her any good in my case

i have had a good make over at the plumbers, seed supply is still plentifull when i checked it last year though or

whatever it is still looks the same as it did when i was 20 yo ha ha i had better check it out again this year see

if it is still flowing like, ha yes any excuse.:lol:

[Regret]

As

I said before, Tounge, And you really should reel it in, Latex Condoms are effective. OK may be not !00% but proven

to be 99.5%. and what would be the percentage on your method, DUDE!! About the same as luck? And the only

way to prevent STD or HIV is to refrain from any sexual contact all together, but, what would be the point of

spending money on pheromones, perhaps, so you can hold hands? Is that what you do, Tounge? also can you share your

secret of your STD HIV Radar? Or are you that clever that you are able, on contact, to establish that the one in

your pheromone entrapment sights has an HIV STD infection? You are ether good or stupid? I do lean heavy on the

later. Well, Tounge, I would hate to see you catch some thing, so I wish you luck a lot of luck. You need it with

your blinkered view on communicable diseases.



Terry. Try telling that to the people of southern Africa, who have an

infection rate of 20% of the population and the majority being heterosexual . And it seems strange to me that this

method was not talked about at the world Aids Conference in Toronto, Canada, last month, and why would Bill Gates;

Give such a huge amount of money to research, for a cure, when one already exists?? Why don’t they use the

method that you suggest?? Tell you what, Terry; I shall mention it at the next conference. Also Terry are saying

that you have HIV? And you cured it with (QUOTE from

Terry) “Study and

APPLICATION” and you really think that people living and dying with this bug enjoy it?? (QUOTE from

Terry) “But some find it very

comforting to live with their little very special afflictions, after all they get attention and concessions” I feel,

with respect, that you are terribly misguided, Terry, or I have to get mighty Mad as I have just watched my Mother

Die a horrible, horrible death with Liver Cancer, and YOU tell me it was a needless death.



Terry try

www.aidsmeds.com (http://www.aidsmeds.com/) there is a forum there, please tell

the people there that they can be cured and that they “find it very comforting to live with their little very

special afflictions, after all they get attention and concessions” your Quote, Whilst there read the lessons section

on HIV/AIDS and STD,s

Enjoy

your life, but please don’t forget the condoms.



John (who holds his head in his hands from the ignorance of

others)

[Gegogi]

Enjoy your life, but

please don’t forget the condoms.

No Regrets brah if you no chance 'em. Juz pound yo pud yo self!

No scumbag needed. Hey, you know what, yo sounds juz likes Rev Jimi Swaggard!

[Regret]

Gegogi, I am confused by your sudden change in style, and with your masturbation habit, if I read this

correctly, that is all you do, so, are you, perhaps spending your money on pheromones just to try to attract your

other hand??

[tounge]

Like I said dude, you're a fool

preaching fools gold. I see the 100% went down to 99.5%. I'm not against using condoms. I for people who have HIV

and any STD's getting some self-discipline and avoiding sexual relations that may claim an innocent victim. And not

putting a false sense of security in a piece of latex. I have never had an STD, thank goodness. I try to exercise

some self discipline and also use discretion in my choice of partners. I'm not the one with regrets. I done reading

you. Go out and preach the gospel as you see fit.

[terry0400-40]

As I said before, Tounge, And you really should reel it in, Latex

Condoms are effective. OK may be not !00% but proven to be 99.5%. and what would be the percentage on your method,

DUDE!! About the same as luck? And the only way to prevent STD or HIV is to refrain from any sexual contact

all together, but, what would be the point of spending money on pheromones, perhaps, so you can hold hands? Is that

what you do, Tounge? also can you share your secret of your STD HIV Radar? Or are you that clever that you are able,

on contact, to establish that the one in your pheromone entrapment sights has an HIV STD infection? You are ether

good or stupid? I do lean heavy on the later. Well, Tounge, I would hate to see you catch some thing, so I wish you

luck a lot of luck. You need it with your blinkered view on communicable diseases.

Terry. Try telling that to the people of southern Africa, who have an infection rate of 20% of the

population and the majority being heterosexual . And it seems strange to me that this method was not talked about at

the world Aids Conference in Toronto, Canada, last month, and why would Bill Gates; Give such a huge amount

of money to research, for a cure, when one already exists?? Why don’t they use the method that you suggest?? Tell

you what, Terry; I shall mention it at the next conference. Also Terry are saying that you have HIV? And you cured

it with (QUOTE from Terry)

“Study and APPLICATION” and you really think that people living and dying

with this bug enjoy it?? (QUOTE from Terry)

“But some find it very comforting to live with their little very special

afflictions, after all they get attention and concessions” I feel, with respect, that you are terribly misguided,

Terry, or I have to get mighty Mad as I have just watched my Mother Die a horrible, horrible death with Liver

Cancer, and YOU tell me it was a needless death.

Terry try

www.aidsmeds.com (http://www.aidsmeds.com/) there is a forum there, please tell

the people there that they can be cured and that they “find it very comforting to live with their little very

special afflictions, after all they get attention and concessions” your Quote, Whilst there read the lessons section

on HIV/AIDS and STD,s

Enjoy your life, but please don’t forget the

condoms.

John (who holds his head in his hands from the ignorance of

others) There is a true quote written which says SEEK and YOU SHALL FIND, so simple, all i am

going to say further on this subject apart from what i have allready stated is I have seen the proof of the success

of Ozone treatment in many previous aids and virus sufferers, and the point is YOU will never know if you dont give

the programme a go. And of cource there is so much needless suffering and all because of ignorance and greed, iv got

nothing to gain by promoting Ozone, and there is not a world wide monopoly on this substance as far as i know.And

most people in Africa have trouble obtaining pure water let alone access to Ozone, which also they are ignorant, You

can lead a poor horse to water and regretfully you cant make make it drink or remove its blinkers, or broaden its

limited thinking.TO many people are bowing down to the tablet makers thinking that they are gods and that there is

no other way, OH those in the white coats will save us all BUT when, OH throw us upon the alter of science spread us

prostrate and probe us with the results of your collective genius of the sacred laboratory and perhaps we poor will

be saved.

[Gegogi]

Nothing is more irritating than

being peached at. Makes me want to reach for my weapon--here a mere keyboard--and cast thy holy entrails asunder.

[Holmes]

Nothing is more

irritating than being peached at.

I hate that, too! It's messy and sticky and the pits hurt like

hell. :D

[Mtnjim]

Nothing is more

irritating than being peached at. Makes me want to reach for my weapon--here a mere keyboard--and cast thy holy

entrails asunder.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of

themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russel

'Nuff said.

[bronzie]

Hi, I suppose I am new, to you, as the people here, have changed since I was a regular contributor,

but then, that was some seven years ago, I have now reregistered under an other username as I could not remember the

last one, I searched the archives but they don’t go back far enough,
Pheromones are great fun and with the right attitude they will give you the edge, they are not miracle

get you laid scent, you still need to smile and talk, be clean and presentable, if you take all of that as a whole

package, they can be dynamite, I have had enormous fun and pleasure with them, and found, to a degree, they did what

was expected of them. Now, for my main point, - rubbers? Or Jonnies? Yes I mean CONDOMS!! Wear them, use them,

never, forget them. You are not completely dressed, unless you have them in your pocket! Remember!! CONDOMS,

CONDOMS, CONDOMS.
They stop STD infections. They stop HIV/AIDS, this

stuff is out there. And its BITTING, I know, it don’t feel sexy stopping, to put one on, but she will thank you

after, and you will thank your self, believe me, I have seen it, done it and worn the pheromone, unfortunately not

the condom, I never took the advice I am giving you and this year I fell seriously ill, after many many tests, I was

told that I have HIV so if an old Heterosexual like me can get it, so can YOU. Please

take my advice, let me be the last person here to be infected, Have fun, have fun with your pheromones, But be safe,

there are now more heterosexual than homosexual infections, one out of three new infections is now a women, so be

safe use a Latex condom always, sorry to be a bore, but I feel robbed, dirty, unclean, a leper. I know I

should not moan, after all, I had a choice, and I chose wrong, at the end of the day, it’s my own fault. So, here I

am waiting to start a battery of pills to keep me alive, I always thought it could not happen to me, it’s a “gay

bug” but here I am, I no longer want sex, I don’t really want a relationship, how can you be with someone, and live

in fear of infecting them. Then there is the Anxiety of this condition, the Chronic Fatigue where the bug sucks

every last bit of energy from you, and not to forget the IO’s (opportunistic infections) if it’s out there, it’s

got your name on it.
So, just wear the condom, and I will do this

other stuff. Oh, one last thing, they can treat you, but there ain’t NO cure.

John (a.k.a “Regret” oh yes, I have a

few?)


Something is missing from this picture (post) that I cant quite get my finger

around. I will work it out. Rest assured. Your message is noble, but somehow perplexed.

[MiChAeL JoRDaN]

why are all you guys

dissing on him, the man was irresponsiblle, and now is trying to help all of us so we dont get STD'S, wow so maybe

he was off by .5% on the effectiveness of a condom, maybe he said that so people would be more willing to wear

condoms rather than not, i dono but correct or incorrect facts on his part doesnt matter, what matters is hes trying

to save yyour lives and tell you to be safe, hypothetically speaking even if he doesnt have HIV or anything and he

just made up a story, WHO CARES?!?! it will make you think twice next time and thats all that matters, and im sure

his facts are true considering he has HIV so he probably has looked into it more than you guys have, i dono just a

guess

[terry0400-40]

Well i did wear one of those rubber willy warmers once for a whole 30 seconds, it

ended up out the window lying under a big gum tree, when i went to recycle it again a big wombat had run off with it

so that was my lot with the rubber weapons. Now as for REGRET he is obviously a good and caring person, and it is

real good advice that he offers and if it saves one person from heartbreaking despair then he is contributing to the

wellbeing of humanity,this regret he carries will pass and once again he will be free, but at the moment he is a

feeling human being like us with a heavy load to carry and i am going to bless him this very minute, also thank you

for caring big R, as this light will surround you x 4. terry0400-40

[surfs_up]

We have an ace STD clinic in my neighborhood... nice private operation... caters to a lot of adult film

actors.... THE test for HIV is known as the P.C.R. test, or "polymerase chain reaction" which is vastly more

accurate and signals the virus much, much quicker than the antibody test.... the sin, this is the most terrible

social sin against ourselves, is that this test is offered "at cost" to the adult film workers for $100 US ... but

for general population it is marked up to $500 retail... this is a fucking human war crime .... because this test is

MANDATORY, every 30 days, in the adult film business, and you must present a certificate before you can perform...

so how can we imaginably have this technology at our ready disposal and choose to NOT make it widely, cheaply

available ? The answer my friends , is the ugly head of politics.... there is a powerful element in our society that

believes that the fear of uncertainty will create an atmosphere of abstinence... as if a steady stream of sickness

and death will wake us up and shape us up...

[Mtnjim]

We have an ace STD

clinic in my neighborhood... nice private operation... caters to a lot of adult film actors.... ...

Hey

Surf;
You in the Valley??

[terry0400-40]

We have an ace STD clinic in my neighborhood... nice private operation... caters to a lot of adult

film actors.... THE test for HIV is known as the P.C.R. test, or "polymerase chain reaction" which is vastly more

accurate and signals the virus much, much quicker than the antibody test.... the sin, this is the most terrible

social sin against ourselves, is that this test is offered "at cost" to the adult film workers for $100 US ... but

for general population it is marked up to $500 retail... this is a fucking human war crime .... because this test is

MANDATORY, every 30 days, in the adult film business, and you must present a certificate before you can perform...

so how can we imaginably have this technology at our ready disposal and choose to NOT make it widely, cheaply

available ? The answer my friends , is the ugly head of politics.... there is a powerful element in our society that

believes that the fear of uncertainty will create an atmosphere of abstinence... as if a steady stream of sickness

and death will wake us up and shape us up... It seems like there is real good money to be made in the

testing business, i hope they smile when they take your money, i suppose the money makers just sit back in obscurity

somewhere and their little pawns do all the dirty work for them,the little parasitic gutless bastards that they are

sitting around and licking each others backsides yes watch out 4 them they are multiplying, as i am a relatively

decent bloke i wont stoop to calling them arsholes, i just refer to them as busted arsholes, yearr the bum

jumpers.

[Regret]

Well, What a reaction! I only posted on this subject to give you all a warning that STD.s & HIV is out there

and affecting just ordinary people, like your selves, if you choose to dismiss this, that’s up to you, and good

luck, I sincerely hope that you do not fall to this disease. As a suffer of it I felt it my duty to try and inform

and warn others, but it seems to be more a case of “Shoot the Messenger” if we ignore it, it will go away? They

tried that in the 1980,s now its world wide and coming soon to a street near you.


As I said before, about 7 – 8 years ago I was a regular poster

on this site and also a few NLP sites I used Pheros, and had a lot of success with them, But I used them to get

laid, not spend vast amounts of money experimenting on how many times girls looked at me, after all, I could stand

in amongst a large group on girls and Fart, I can guarantee, that they would all look at me. Try it, but you

will need a clicker counter to count them all.
Never ever, did, any

female drop her pants on smelling my pheromone combination, nor did they swoon all over me. It just doesn’t work

like that you have to talk, get them close, get them into your “Mone Zone” and talk about them. Its their

favourite subject, but I am sure most of you know that.
I got the

results out of pheros and NLP that I set out to get. And, the woman of my dreams, we were together for a long time.

And there was no cheating on my part, then I got ill, and tested positive to HIV, the relationship finished, later I

found that she had had it and was basically living in denial of it. Today you can be imprisoned for doing that to

someone.
I never wore condoms, as some years ago I had, had Vasectomy,

so could no longer get any one pregnant, and like you, was ignorant of HIV. A condom would have stopped it, using

nothing, but luck and hope, will not, So I beg you, to use a condom, the only time you don’t, is when you have been

active with someone for 13 weeks and then got tested together and received your results together. Please remember

this, an HIV infected person can have it for as much as 12 years without any symptoms and be totally unaware that

they are infected. Are you really going to take that chance? 12 years is a long time, in that time you could have

got married and have Children. Then find you have it, your wife now has it, and during pregnancy your kids got

it.
Despite the rubbish some come out with, as yet THERE IS NO

CURE. Google HIV get the facts, not hearsay and gossip.

If terry has been cured, as he claims, then he is the

only one in the world to have done so, I am sure he must look cute walking around with the tube from the ozone

machine hanging out his ass, because that is how you operate the process by sticking a tube up your ass and pumping

ozone gas in and holding it in as long as possible, Hey, Terry, I bet you get some looks when you release, hope your

counting!!!:LOL:

[surfs_up]

back in the day... that was the late 1970s and early 80s in San Francisco, I was there when the first

news reports appeared about a mysterious "gay disease" that was like a visitation from hell, it was as close to the

satanic as anything in human experience... and they band played on, as the saying goes... there was massive

denial..... completely irrational... they refused to close the bathhouses... there was a war between "personal

choice" and "public health" .... looks insane in retrospect... could humans be capable of that degree of denial ?

Then this second thing began... nobody knows much about it now, 1/4 of a century later, Karposi Sarcoma .... guys

would be covered from heat to foot in black lesions that looked like melanoma... this was before any decent

antiretroviral medice was known... people were desperately trying anything, I mean ANYTHING in hope of a cure....

then the most disgusting, inevitable situation, the SCAMMERS started exploiting the situation.... such evil shit...

peddling false hopes and worthless cures... and guys were dropping like flies all around me.... people today are

total assholes on the subject...they think in their arrogant little imaginations they know what this disease is from

what ??? Those pharmaceutical posters they put up at bus stops that show a healthy, happy, well adjusted looking

prosperous man or woman doing just fine on their meds.... what they don't come out and say is how hard viral meds

are on your system... boy they're sledgehammers on your cellular chemistry... so you have to make a lesser evil

choice, be sick from the meds or be sicker from the virus.... you should hang out at the testing clinic I go to....

see some of the guys shuffling in there, what this has done to them psychologically as well as physically.... me, I

get tested for EVERYTHING now.... regularly.... oh by the way.... did you know that Hepatitis B is about 100x MORE

contagious than HIV and the virus is really tiny so it can slip through condom pores ? Anybody here get their

Recombivax A+B series ? And then there's Hep C... a real bitch.... no vaccines for that little monster...

[Regret]

Hey, Surfs up, Thanks for your response, I go to clinics and meetings with people who have suffered in

this way, all sexual persuasions, races and color, and it hurts deep, to see what this bug has done to them, but on

the other hand I am happy to see that they have survived against all the odds. I have been tested for the heps and

have had the vaccination course, the trouble is STD,s and HIV don’t advertise them selves, so you just can’t tell

who’s infected, and condoms may not be the perfect solution but they are the best thing we have got, that gives you

a fighting chance to avoid these bugs, if you are sexually active.
The

whole point of starting this post, was a concern for others, no tricks, no gimmicks, I don’t want your money, I just

want people to protect them selves and be safe from the pandemic.
Now

with yourself and Michael Jordan taking it on board, I feel it was justified to bring this topic up and put it in

the arena.
Use the Pheros, get the edge, but be safe, use a

condom.:cheers:

[terry0400-40]

back in the day... that was the late 1970s and early 80s in San Francisco, I was there when the

first news reports appeared about a mysterious "gay disease" that was like a visitation from hell, it was as close

to the satanic as anything in human experience... and they band played on, as the saying goes... there was massive

denial..... completely irrational... they refused to close the bathhouses... there was a war between "personal

choice" and "public health" .... looks insane in retrospect... could humans be capable of that degree of denial ?

Then this second thing began... nobody knows much about it now, 1/4 of a century later, Karposi Sarcoma .... guys

would be covered from heat to foot in black lesions that looked like melanoma... this was before any decent

antiretroviral medice was known... people were desperately trying anything, I mean ANYTHING in hope of a cure....

then the most disgusting, inevitable situation, the SCAMMERS started exploiting the situation.... such evil shit...

peddling false hopes and worthless cures... and guys were dropping like flies all around me.... people today are

total assholes on the subject...they think in their arrogant little imaginations they know what this disease is from

what ??? Those pharmaceutical posters they put up at bus stops that show a healthy, happy, well adjusted looking

prosperous man or woman doing just fine on their meds.... what they don't come out and say is how hard viral meds

are on your system... boy they're sledgehammers on your cellular chemistry... so you have to make a lesser evil

choice, be sick from the meds or be sicker from the virus.... you should hang out at the testing clinic I go to....

see some of the guys shuffling in there, what this has done to them psychologically as well as physically.... me, I

get tested for EVERYTHING now.... regularly.... oh by the way.... did you know that Hepatitis B is about 100x MORE

contagious than HIV and the virus is really tiny so it can slip through condom pores ? Anybody here get their

Recombivax A+B series ? And then there's Hep C... a real bitch.... no vaccines for that little monster...

YES i have had contageous hep and also infectious hep and i was diagnosed with HEP C over 12 years ago , i was in a

coma after a car accident when i was a boy in Darwin Northern Australia and lost a lot of blood, well after that

every time i had a blood test the doctors would always say your liver function tests are down, and i did not even

know what a liver was. But 12 or13 years ago the doctors and specialist wanted to admit me in to the hospital in

Brisbane as i was near death and very very sick, the complications to the body and mind that come with HEP C are not

pleasant, my arms were black and blue from blood tests that were all positive h c, AFTER going on my first lot of

ozone i went for a test and took it to the doctor and i can still see the perplexed look on his face he was looking

at the report for ages and he finally said Terry i am going to have to send you for another test as i cant find

anything on this one, i never mentioned to him that i was taking ozone, but i had a smile on my face.

[surfs_up]

you know... everybody and every body is different... it obviously worked for you and you're

a lucky dog... there are miracles and things that cannot be explained, but they appear to be so.... my great uncle

was a famous doctor who saw probalby 10s of thousands of cancer patients through his long life in medicine... he

told me there was a rare occurance of spontaneous remission of the most advanced cancers, the "no return death

sentence" cancers... but he was absolutely clear in his mind that these were genuine remissions, even when the body,

by medical standards was so weakened that it had no energy to recover... an no one has ever explained, even to

partial satisfaction, how this could be... we are talking about the truly rare example here, but it IS within the

realm of the possible, so it appears there is room for the miraculous even in our rational world.

[Regret]

Terry, I am sorry to hear of the Hepatitis infection you had, nasty little bugs. But they are curable,

although in some cases cure means undetectable, that could be 97 to 99% of a cure. Surly that is another

reason to wear a condom, yes, I know some say there is a chance that the hep bug can permeate a latex condom, but in

all fairness the Jury is still out on this one. And if that chance is 00.02% surly that has to be counted as good

odds against becoming infected, ware as non use, leaves you wide open, with just luck to protect

you.

[terry0400-40]

Terry, I am sorry to hear of the Hepatitis infection you had, nasty

little bugs. But they are curable, although in some cases cure means undetectable, that could be 97 to 99% of

a cure. Surly that is another reason to wear a condom, yes, I know some say there is a chance that the hep bug can

permeate a latex condom, but in all fairness the Jury is still out on this one. And if that chance is 00.02% surly

that has to be counted as good odds against becoming infected, ware as non use, leaves you wide open, with just luck

to protect you. Well i was in a coma at14 yo with loss of blood because of a drunken car

accident when i went off the road on a bend at the 18 mile into Darwin i was going over 100 mph, the mayors daughter

was my passenger, she escaped with one stitch, since then i have had 9 children and 4 wives and none of them have

been infected, so life on Earth has its mysteries, And i only take about about 1/4 of the ozone dose because it

makes me feel sick and it is not easy to drink 35% hydrogen peroxide. Anyway my faith shall make me whole and i

shall be healed.

[surfs_up]

make of it what you will.... :

"NEW YORK - Wearing just a small white towel and a

smile, Bob prowls the dark halls of the East Side Club, looking into dozens of its closet-sized rooms and hoping eye

contact with another man will lead to sex.

“It’s better than going to a bar and taking your chances,” said

Bob, a 46-year-old garden supplies salesman from New Jersey who declined to give his last name. “You always know

something is going to happen here.”

For some gay men, the city’s two 24-hour bathhouses — the East Side Club

in midtown and the West Side Club in Chelsea — live on as a spot for sex without strings despite a recent trend

toward more men hooking up online.

They rent small rooms to have sex in at a cost of $21 for four hours,

after paying a nominal annual membership fee.

Bathhouses, pushed to the fringes of the gay scene in the

mid-1980s when the city shuttered most of them to stem the spread of AIDS, still offer patrons something a bar or

the Internet cannot — near-guaranteed sex in a safe environment.

“In a bathhouse you meet a person in the

flesh in a relatively safe and clean environment where everyone has the same agenda,” said Bill Stackhouse, director

of the Institute for Gay Men’s Health at the Gay Men’s Health Crisis, a group that fights AIDS in New York

City.

“It’s safer than the Internet, where all you have is a photo and maybe some video footage before you go

to someone’s home,” he said.

Operating a business for the purpose of sex violates state law. City officials

say they do inspect the bathhouses, but they are not legally allowed to look inside the rented rooms.

“We do

not access private areas within establishments, ‘private’ meaning closed-door, to make observation,” said Isaac

Weisfuse, deputy commissioner for the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

Several

officials, asked why the city effectively turns a blind eye to the bathhouses, declined comment. The office of Mayor

Michael Bloomberg also declined comment.

An itch to scratch
The two clubs are owned by businessman Ancil

Brown, who declined an interview request, but managers at the clubs allowed a reporter to tour the facilities and

interview patrons.

Nearing midnight on a Saturday at the East Side Club, dozens of middle-aged men roamed

the labyrinthine hallways, hoping to have anonymous sex. Downstairs, five men waited to get in from the lobby,

looking as ordinary as any group of suburban fathers waiting at a dental office.

Peter, 57, a construction

manager with silver hair, goes to the East Side Club once every two weeks and has for years.

“You have that

itch, and it feels good to scratch it,” said Peter, who also did not want to give his last name. “There is still a

place to go for it. You should see this place at 6 (p.m.) before all of the guys go home to their wives.”



Both clubs smell of chlorine and loud techno music bounces off the ceiling and walls of the thin, dark

hallways, which are lined with about 100 rooms and separate steam rooms and showers. They are both housed

anonymously in Manhattan office blocks, identified only by discreet entries on the tenant directory inside the lobby

of each building.

Customers can rent lockers or rooms, which are about 6 by 8 feet, of which a bed with a

2-inch-thick mattress takes up more than half. A small lamp dimly lights the

rooms."

....................................

and so on.... how many of these guys practice safe

sex ? before "going home to their wives" ? Whoa, man... and, like, where does the wife's right to know fit

into this picture ?

[belgareth]

In general, I'd say the bath

houses are a good option for those so inclined. Here, the same thing is done in a local park's restrooms and cars

after dark.

You do ask some good questions though. Safe sex should be almost automatic. You'd have to be a

bloody idiot not to practice safe sex, or so I believe. Yet millions everyday don't practice it and as a result we

have people like Regret who have a death sentence, a rather horrid death sentence, hanging over their heads.

As

for the wife's right to know, I can only say that nobody has the right to endanger another person's life without

their expressed consent. The rest is a private matter between the husband and wife.

[Regret]

The

Fact is, in today’s world, the threat of HIV is firmly in the Heterosexual arena more infections now occur between a

male and female, than homosexual, and at present the hetro world has not yet woken up to this fact, the ignorance,

even down to common STD’s (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) is rife, as demonstrated within this thread,


I think it is important that a Topic like this is forwarded on a site

such as this, even if it is given just a cursory perusal, the threat is real and near you. This site is for those

that seek the company and the affections of another, by trying to attain the edge by using Pheromones, with the out

come being sexual. (Although many here, say they are only experimenting, yeh right!! Let’s get real here. My

objective was to score with the 9’s and 10’s which I achieved. It was a 10 that infected me; ask your self, she may

have the looks and the body! But what else does she have?) So personal safety, and the consideration of the safety

of others must be addressed. There are two methods available, Abstinence, and Latex condoms. Abstinence, It may be

your thing and you have my respect, for that, I never have been able to, until now, until it is to late, practising

the withdrawal method is not recommended as the HIV virus also lives in the Pre-come and in the Vaginal fluid (love

juice) so really, if you are going to be sexually active a condom has a better chance of keeping you

safe.
Please seriously give it some thought, you can have your fun, and

be safe, or you can end up like me,

John.

[surfs_up]

One

of the big takaway points from the bathhouse story is you cannot safely assume you know where someone is coming

from solely based on appearances ... most of those men probably look like upstanding middle aged conservative

"play be the rulebook" citizens.... funny thing, I never see those sorts of guys at the STD clinic... like...

never... I do see other types who are comfortably upfront about who they are, the hookers, the porn actors, the

openly gay.... in a scary sense they are the more trustworthy because they aren't hiding behind a facade of denial

and normality...

The other thing is a major observation by the CDC.... that HIV infection is greatly

facilitated when other STDs are present.... the theory, which sounds reasonable to me, is that other STDs cause the

proliferation of white blood cells at the site of the infection... and it is the WBCs that act as the HIV carrier...

so there is a greatly increased risk of HIV transmission if syphilis, gonhorrea, chylamidia, and possibly herpes is

present... in other words, you want to check the locks on all your doors and windows before you party....

[Regret]

Surf, I could not agree with you more, and that very same problem exists on this site as demonstrated

by a few of the members with the Ostrich approach of burying their heads in the sand, and pretending that the threat

is not out there, and these are people who are calling themselves responsible? They may have the acquired Knowledge

of Pheromones but are sadly lacking in knowledge pertaining to Communicable Diseases, which surely is a must if you

are putting your self on the front line of the dating game, as there will be the question of Sex at some point. It

matters ZILCH, as to how long you have known some one or how good they say their state of heath is the fact is,

you don’t know, and you’re taking a chance, on your own, and others, future Heath, happiness and life it

self, and when it come down to it, for what? The use of a condom!!
People in the Sex industry, as you wisely point out, are only to aware of the threats that exist for them, and

as all good professions are taking precautions to alleviate the problems, with regular tests and condom use, a good

lesson for all.

As

for STD’s there is a new kid on the block LGV (Lymphogranuloma venereum) LGV is caused by a rare type

of Chlamydia bacteria and is cured with antibiotics.
How is LGV passed on?

Men with lots of

sexual partners are at most risk. Unprotected anal sex and fisting without latex gloves are the main ways the

infection is spread. Using sex toys, like dildoes, on more than one person can also spread the

bacteria.
Symptoms

There are three stages to

LGV, with different symptoms depending on what part of the body is

infected.
Stage

one

Three days to three weeks after

getting infected a small, painless sore might appear in your mouth or anus, or on your penis. Many people don’t get

a sore or notice one.
Stage

two

Ten to 30 days later (or longer) your

glands may become painfully swollen and you may feel ill and feverish. If you get infected in the anus you can get

painful inflammation, ulcers and discharge there. If the infection is in your penis you may get a discharge and the

glands in your groin can swell. An infection in the mouth may cause the glands in your neck or armpit to

swell.
Stage

three

If it is left untreated for a long

time, LGV will cause serious lasting damage to your anus or

penis.
Treatment

Three weeks of antibiotics

can cure LGV if it is treated before stage three.
Protect yourself and others

You can

reduce the risk of getting LGV if you use condoms