Prostitutes

[koolking1]

What's everyone think?

Ever been with one? Good experience or bad? Moral or not? I've engaged their services almost everywhere I've

lived except for one place, the USA.

[belgareth]

Some women claim to like the

job and so long as they aren't passing diseases what harm are they doing? It is their body to do as they will with

so it is their's to determine the morality of using it as a commodity. Never have been with one so can't comment

about it from first hand experience but feel the law is wrong in punishing them for it. It should be structured to

offer an option to those who wish to leave the trade and provide for health in those who wish to work it.

There

are those who are more or less enslaved as prostitutes. Don't blame them. Blame the slavers and put them away where

they will never harm another human being again.

[sweet thing]

Prostitutes don't bother me one bit as a secure female. I know I would never do

it. Yet, I do not think they should be tossed in the clinker for doing what gold-diggers do for a chance at a

wealthy man. Same thing, they are just charging upfront for it. :kiss:

Live and let live I say.

Sweet Thing

:wub:

[Lor]

Some women claim to

like the job and so long as they aren't passing diseases what harm are they doing? It is their body to do as they

will with so it is their's to determine the morality of using it as a commodity. Never have been with one so can't

comment about it from first hand experience but feel the law is wrong in punishing them for it. It should be

structured to offer an option to those who wish to leave the trade and provide for health in those who wish to work

it.

There are those who are more or less enslaved as prostitutes. Don't blame them. Blame the slavers and put

them away where they will never harm another human being again.
for what its worth i view it slightly

differently too;
i think prostitution should be in the healthcare field. sex is natural, its fun. its also can

affect health, so it as a biz should have certain things avialable to it, in order to be healthy. not laws, just a

healthy way to go about it.

[belgareth]

for what its worth i

view it slightly differently too;
i think prostitution should be in the healthcare field. sex is natural, its fun.

its also can affect health, so it as a biz should have certain things avialable to it, in order to be healthy. not

laws, just a healthy way to go about it.Never quite looked at it that way but you have a good point about

the healthcare part. A lack of sex is unhealthy, both mentally and physiologically. Perhaps prostitutes should be

considered healthcare providers or therapists.

As a side note, a doctor once told me that you can get all the

exercise you really need in bed if you work at it. Sounds like a lot more fun than the gym. :lol:

Whether it is

about prostitution or anything else, the laws only have one real function and that is to protect individual rights.

A law preventing a person from earning a living as a prostitute does not serve the function of the purpose of law.

[Big M]

I'm considered a conservative ,

Related to politics . With the exception of legalized prostitution , :)aswell as the legalization of Marijuana :)

Many would disagree , But it's a proven fact any type of state or federal mandated prohibitions do not work ,

Legalize it , tax it , and states can benefit from the income . That being said Legalizing such Activities of ill

repute will eliminate much if not all of the black market dealing in such activities.

[koolking1]

I would definitely vote to

legalize prostitution and marijuana. I was involved in another discussion about prostitution on another website -

basically the discussion centered around persons with deformaties or handicaps that more or less ruled them out of

normal relationships. Are these people supposed to just go without sex? Prostitutes are often their only choice.

About weed, perhaps a fair start would be to allow individuals to cultivate their own plants at least.



Lor's interesting and valid point ties in with "what do the people who are handicapped/deformed do" I

think.

As I stated when I began the topic, I have used prostitutes in the past as I kind of like them.

Virtually everyone I have been in contact with is a nice person. I can't vouch for my own country though as I've

never used one in the USA.

[belgareth]

Although many think I am

conservative myself, I'd vote to decriminalize all drugs. The laws have done nothing to prevent drug use or

prostitution while costing us billions of dollars They have done an excellent job of making both drugs and sex cash

cows for organized crime.

[Lor]

Although

many think I am conservative myself, I'd vote to decriminalize all drugs. The laws have done nothing to prevent

drug use or prostitution while costing us billions of dollars They have done an excellent job of making both drugs

and sex cash cows for organized crime.
i agree. the less available it is, the more it benifits to be

involved in it. prostitutes are in fact therepists. they should be highly reguarded as the people who intimately

help you in ways money cannot compensate. im not talking about crack whores. im talking about women who can put

their attraction aside and preform gratification without the look of a Walmart cashier who can care less if you drop

dead,LOL

[Whitehall]

I tried it once, right after

college and having driven cross country alone to my new job in a big new lonely city.

Picked up a

clean-looking secretary type.

What a disappointment! Sure, we were doing what I had paid for but when she

says "Aren't you through yet?" I got a bit irritated. Reminded me that I'm paying for her time and it's a zero

sum game.

If ever there was a time that I wanted to write Ralph Nader and complain about a rip off, it was

then. Never again.

As to public policy, at least get them off the streets. Don't want any advertising to

young girls about the career prospects. Besides, most of them are loud and tacky in their public behavior and a

neighborhood blight.

As to "therapy," I suspect that a woman with many, many sex partners would have problems

maintaining that "giving" feeling. Promiscuity destroys the ego barriers of a woman and lowers her self-esteem.

(Hey, I've been used as a "tool" too and didn't like it.) One would have to be a very part-timer or a newbie to

be worthwhile.

[The Real FTR]

"Promiscuity destroys the

ego barriers of a woman and lowers her self-esteem."

It can also be empowering and transcendant, if it's done

consciously and deliberately as a celebration of life or a desire to experiment.

Although I do see your point

and it's probably true in many cases.

[Gegogi]

When young and foolish I engaged

the services of Asian bargirls more times than I can count. As most things in life, the quality of the experience

depends... Some of the bargirls I knew well and were casual friends, so they really put their heart into it. In fact

a few wanted to make the transformation from hoe to GF or wife and were extremely upset I didn't go for it. Others

were cold and professional and basically a terrible experience. And, yes, I got the "aren't you done yet" comment.

Kinda spoils the mood.

At this point in my life I prefer sex with some sort of emotional bond, even if it's only

a friendship. Sex is only one small aspect of a relationship. Good company and conversation, intelligence,

compatible lifestyles and physical appearance rate higher in my book. Otherwise I might as well date Mary Palms.

[InternationalPlayboy]

And,

yes, I got the "aren't you done yet" comment. Kinda spoils the mood.


A good friend once told me

his wife said that to him! :eek:

As for the topic of this thread, (putting on the Bill Clinton Hat) that

depends on your definition of prostitution. :D I've gotten a couple of happy endings during massages before. I'm

good friends with a masseuse that I've known for years and told her about the first one as the massage itself was

so half-assed. Some time later she asked if I had once mentioned that I had been with a prostitute. I was evasive as

there was another time I never told her about, but then I found out she meant the happy ending experience. I hadn't

really thought of that as prostitution.

I actually did see a "courtesan" once (the experience I was evasive

about), as opposed to a street hooker. It wasn't a bad experience at the time, except she smelled pretty fishy from

even about four feet away (I did use a raincoat). Afterwards I had remorse, especially since the day after was when

I first noticed my vitiligo. :( I ran to the doctor for all of the tests. I was clean (thankfully) and apparently

vitiligo isn't a contagious thing but a hereditary condition.

I do think that prostitution should be legal

though.

Edited to add that the woman mentioned above seemed to really enjoy what she did for a living. So

much in fact, she lost track of the time. I got no "done yet" question from her.

[InternationalPlayboy]

BTW, I have recently

discovered during my wanderings through the Internet that there are websites out there similar to this format, that

rate and give contact information for prostitutes and sex entertainers for most of the major US cities. A search for

"Big Dog" will bring one up.

[Intriguing Lure]

"Promiscuity destroys the ego barriers of a woman and lowers her self-esteem."

It can also be empowering and

transcendant, if it's done consciously and deliberately as a celebration of life or a desire to experiment.



Although I do see your point and it's probably true in many cases.

IF the woman is strong enough.

Otherwise it can destroy her. I don't have that kind of strength but I'm always awed by the women who do.

Envious, too, at times. I'm just too damn soft.

[surfs_up]

ya have to see it like this... it is a learning curve thing... takes a few years to know what you're

doing... once you get it figured out it is the best deal in town... most young guys wildly underestimate the total

cost of ownership of cars or relationships... If I'm between meaningful relationships... totally screw the dating

scene and all the crappy materialistic bs associated with that.... civvie sex is too complicated, full of unspoken

requirements and expectations.... you want this, she wants that... longwinded and exhausting... so much cleaner to

put you money down, get your rocks off and go home and take a bath and watch tv... like some pitiful sex and the

city bottomless pit of emotional need comfort food...
Filthy shameless hot sex is the best for what it is, accept

no substitutes...

[The Real FTR]

The only problem I have

with prostition is there don't seem to be any males for women to hire.

Surfs Up makes good points. (Obviously,

I liked Samantha best ...)

[Whitehall]

"Filthy shameless hot sex is the

best..."

Of course! Maybe I just don't see getting that from hookers. Frankly, I would only expect

passive-aggressive commercialism.

My experience is that one gets really hot sex from a woman who is

submissive out of her own self-interest. She's gotta want IT from ME rather than put up with it for the

money.

Same with "wifely duty" - although the bonds of affection can make it work, resentment is more likely

if the man presses it. That's when the husband gets the "aren't you done yet?" line.

The smart wife

understands that keeping her man happy is keeping her (and her children) happy too.

Too bad feminism argues

against that idea.

[bronzie]

Although many

think I am conservative myself, I'd vote to decriminalize all drugs. The laws have done nothing to prevent drug use

or prostitution while costing us billions of dollars They have done an excellent job of making both drugs and sex

cash cows for organized crime.

Decriminalization of all drugs would be like letting lose a disease

upon the young and vulnerable of society. Firstly they would feel no deterent as in the form of punishment, and

secondly, the drugs would be much more widely available, and hence more people would try them ( especially the young

) and cause alot more problems for society. As for drug dealers, there are severe punishments in place in most

societies that deal with these individuals, and saying that decriminalization would somehow hinder thier profit

margin, is a paradox, they would find other ways to make money illegaly, thier will be simply more drug dealers

making less money if drugs were decriminilized. However, the damage to the individuals and the community would

increase.

As for prostitution, I read somewhere in the forum someone saying that they are therapists?? That

is what they like to label themselves as, not so much the actual prostitute, but the money hungry madams and low

life pimps that organise thier work for them, and they use this term to justify a type of work that is destructive

emotionally and often physically for the women involved. Anyone that thinks prostitution is some noble profession

that is somewhow justified to fill the needs of members of society, really needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Most women that enter prostitution, have some serious emotional problems that stem in thier past, and are often drug

addicts themselves, and are coerced into this lifestyle not for the sheer enjoyment of it, but out of helplesness.

However, its the worlds oldest profession, legal or not, they will always exist.

[belgareth]

Decriminalization of all drugs would be like letting lose a disease upon the young and vulnerable of society.

Firstly they would feel no deterent as in the form of punishment, and secondly, the drugs would be much more widely

available, and hence more people would try them ( especially the young ) and cause alot more problems for society.

As for drug dealers, there are severe punishments in place in most societies that deal with these individuals, and

saying that decriminalization would somehow hinder thier profit margin, is a paradox, they would find other ways to

make money illegaly, thier will be simply more drug dealers making less money if drugs were decriminilized. However,

the damage to the individuals and the community would increase.

That's pure nonsense. Drugs are in

effect totally unregulated now and youth have no problem obtaining them. There is no fear of retribution for the

most part. I believe its Denmark that decriminalized drugs and none of those things have happened. Why is that?

Because it isn't going to happen. Instead, making drugs illegal creates a huge legal infrastructure based on

punishment rather than education. It keeps government employees and lawyers in work ans servves to keep drug prices

artificially high. That in turn feeds a huge criminal infrastructure. We be a lot better off putting our money into

educating the youth about drug facts.

[Whitehall]

A friend who has close and

intimate insight into San Francisco politics thinks that the Green Party in that town is literally fueled on medical

marijuana.

I can believe it! The point is that political fantasies follow from doped up minds.

[The Real FTR]

Feminism and sexual

submissiveness are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Here's food for

thought:
http://www.tomatonation.com/youare.shtml

[bronzie]

Feminism and

sexual submissiveness are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Here's food for

thought:
http://www.tomatonation.com/youare.shtml

Interesting source of term

definition, not exactly the Oxford dictionary.

Sexual submission and Feminism, hmmm, some women think that

sexual submission within the arena of prostitution is really not bieng submissive and used or abused but female

empowerment and an action in par with equality of the sexes and a choice and hence a feminist trait.

not

targeting you, however

what I find interesting though, is that most women that think like this are not in a

prostitute lifestyle nor have ever been, they say these things from the relative comfort of thier experience, thier

text book feminists, that cannot guage the reality of things simply because they have not experieced them

by

the way, Im a feminist. And im male.

[Whitehall]

As long as you women properly

act submissive, you can think what you want.

"Equality" is a mathematical construct misapplied to what is

essentially a biological question.

[bronzie]

As long as you

women properly act submissive, you can think what you want.

"Equality" is a mathematical construct misapplied

to what is essentially a biological question.

Agree totally.

[The Real FTR]

As long as

you women properly act submissive, you can think what you want.

"Equality" is a mathematical construct misapplied

to what is essentially a biological question.


As to the first statement, it's a point of view that

leaves you so very easily manipulated.

As to the second, so what?

[InternationalPlayboy]

Drugs are in effect totally unregulated now and youth have no problem obtaining

them.

Back in my thirties, I was still semi-regularly smoking pot. It seemed as I and some of my

friends grew older, it got harder to find the stuff. We used to joke that if we wanted to score a bag, we needed to

find a high school student.

I now no longer smoke partially due to job restrictions, but mainly as I'm

afraid to run with the crowd that has easy access to the stuff anymore.

I feel all drugs should be legal for

adults. But the user should be held responsable for the health consenquences of their use. In other words, the

government shouldn't pay their bill when they ruin their health. From what I understand, before opiates were

banned, there were functioning addicts, who were able to hold jobs and contribute to society.

And I blame the

marijuana prohibition for the meth epidemic in the United States. Pot is a bulky, smelly substance, which makes it

difficult to transport. It's much more cost effective for some bozo with a recipe and some caustic chemicals to

cook up some speed in a kitchen or even the back of a car. Which is a much bigger danger for all concerned than weed

is.

Both drugs and prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed. Prohibition of alcohol didn't

work in the U.S. Remember, the Kennedys made their fortune by bootlegging.

There is a good book I recommend

on the drug subject, from Chocolate to Morphine, by Dr. Andrew Weil. He says that to change one's

consciousness in a trait inherent in all human beings. When you oppress one system to that change, people will look

elsewhere, to something that could potentially be more dangerous. He doesn't condone drug use anymore but feels it

shouldn't be illegal. He would rather though, that people use meditation to achieve the desired results.

In

my opinion, the ruling class doesn't want people to awaken their consciousness as they would then realize that the

emperor really does have no clothes.

And as for prostitutes being oppressed by their pimps and madams, the

woman from my experience was self employed. She lived in an upscale community in a condo overlooking a golf course.

I still think of the the BJ I got, the best I ever had. And again, she seemed to really enjoy her work. I wouldn't

rule out another experience with one of that caliber if the timing was right and I wasn't in a relationship at the

time.

[Holmes]

ya have to see it

like this... it is a learning curve thing... takes a few years to know what you're doing... once you get it figured

out it is the best deal in town... most young guys wildly underestimate the total cost of ownership of cars or

relationships... If I'm between meaningful relationships... totally screw the dating scene and all the crappy

materialistic bs associated with that.... civvie sex is too complicated, full of unspoken requirements and

expectations.... you want this, she wants that... longwinded and exhausting... so much cleaner to put you money

down, get your rocks off and go home and take a bath and watch tv... like some pitiful sex and the city bottomless

pit of emotional need comfort food...
Filthy shameless hot sex is the best for what it is, accept no

substitutes...

Thank you.

[belgareth]

IP

Regarding drugs, I

completely agree with you on each point. On the topic of prostitution I cannot say more than I have as I have no

experience at all.. But, to accept the social stigma at face value is almost invariably a mistake, thus I don't

form an opinion.

The rest is a matter of your reality. What each chooses to believe is going to be real for

them.

[tim929]

Funny thing...in Nevada's better

cat houses,the incidence of STD's is lower than the national average.Thats the national average for everybody!They

even have health care and regular drug screening. By establishing strict rules and guidelines for prostitution,we

could easily reduce the incidence of STD's tremendously and make thier job alot safer.

I had a friend once,a

long time ago who was a call girl...an escort.Very well paid for her services (I couldnt afford them so I stuck with

being friends) and relatively happy in what she was doing.Sure,she was messed up emotionaly(abusive step

dad,yada,yada,yada...)but if your going to act out,at least do it in a safe manner.She didnt use drugs,always used

protection and had a list of rules governing her activities.By establishing those rules,she avoided nasty

guys,drugs,deseases and a whole bunch of other stuff...

I never have understood the stigma attatched to

prostitution...after all,if I take a girl on a date,I pay for dinner,movie,cover charge,drinks,hotel room and

condoms.She pays for...um...er...nothing.I spend two hundred bucks,she spends nothing.Net result? prostitute!Just

packaged in a slightly more scocialy acceptable fasion.Wouldnt it be better if I just handed her the money and she

could buy whatever the heck she wants instead of me wasting it on what I HOPE she wants?And as it was said alittle

earlier in this thread,at least hiring a prostitute is honest.No frils,no lies to get in her pants,no exaustive

conversations about her cat and her job...just hot,nasty sex and then you go home and take a bath!What a novel

idea...honesty in a relationship!

[BizmanJoe]

When young and foolish I engaged the services of Asian bargirls more times than I can count. As most

things in life, the quality of the experience depends... Some of the bargirls I knew well and were casual friends,

so they really put their heart into it. In fact a few wanted to make the transformation from hoe to GF or wife and

were extremely upset I didn't go for it. Others were cold and professional and basically a terrible experience.

And, yes, I got the "aren't you done yet" comment. Kinda spoils the mood.

At this point in my life I prefer sex

with some sort of emotional bond, even if it's only a friendship. Sex is only one small aspect of a relationship.

Good company and conversation, intelligence, compatible lifestyles and physical appearance rate higher in my book.

Otherwise I might as well date Mary Palms.

Yo, I'm right there with you, man. When I'm dating, I

refuse to have sex until I get to know the girl. It's a much bigger turn on when there is some emotion and

closeness involved. I had my overnighters in my 20's and I never really liked it - sure, it was awesome to get my

rock off with some hottie I had just met, but it was purely physical and always left me wanting.

[Whitehall]

Things got so wild around the

house this spring that I had to go out and pickup a hoe too!

Orchard Hardware Supply had some good ones.

Those heavy late spring rains sure do bring out the weeds.

[koolking1]

I have read

legalized weed and there's been a big surprise (well, not for me, I kinda suspected it): it turns out when weed is

completely legal it does NOT lead to heavier drugs. That being said, I was in Amsterdam last Spring and noticed an

awful lot of low-lifes pushing coke around the hooker area. Some of them were pretty brazen and pushy about it.

But, I'm not sure that weed is actually legal there or just ignored by the police.