My First Post - Why I'm Here... + A Question

[Trebor]

Hi everyone,

I just joined LS within the last 24 hours, after

stumbling upon it accidentally. I’ve always been curious about pheromones but never had the courage/desire to

purchase one over the internet – abundant stories of fakes, and the large number of ‘suspicious’ products on offer,

put me off. However, after several hours reading various forum posts and sections of LS, I felt confident enough to

make my first purchase without any hesitation (SOE unscented and NPA should be with me very soon!) – the return

policy provided great reassurance too.

Why am I interested in pheromones now? Well, firstly,

I’ll set the record straight: I’m not looking for a quick sexual fix – the reality is, I’m looking for a tool or an

aid. I’m a 32 year-old heterosexual black man, and would describe myself as tall, slim, lean and reasonably

muscular. I’m not your typical macho guy, so I have a sensitive nature that is reflected in my personality (which

many women like). Ten years ago, I had zero confidence but have learnt to overcome this over the years (to such a

point where I feel more confident than most of the men around me, in social settings), so that is not my reason for

purchasing pheromones. In addition, I have no problem in finding women who are attracted to me (especially when

abroad). Also, I dress well, look after my appearance, possess sufficient charisma and have a steady job. Therefore,

my reason for being interested in pheromones has nothing to do with the usual stereotypes or clichés.



However, I do have one problem, which has been bothering me for a long time. As I mentioned before, I

have no problem getting attention from women (there’s also been numerous occasions when I’ve achieved the DIHL

effect without any real effort). However, whenever I’m close to a woman who’s attracted to me, one of two things

happen:

1) They are too shy or intimidated to approach me, regardless of my occasional

efforts to break the ice (and by the way, I consider myself to be a very approachable and laidback guy);



2) It never gets beyond the flirting stage – there’s always something that stops them from wanting to

take things further (leaving me with the feeling that I’ve been ‘messed around with’).

Now,

I’m not saying that I’ve never had any success but the frequency in which I find myself, in the above two

situations, is very concerning (and I usually stay true to myself, am not a predator and am not one for playing mind

games). I have to admit that people tend to perceive me very differently to your average guy (I even receive

frequent and puzzling stares, from completely heterosexual men, for no reason at all!), so I was thinking that it’s

something to do with my body’s pheromones (an imbalance, possibly?) – that’s my personal reason for deciding to

‘invest’ in pheromones.

The potential to experiment with people’s perception of you

(especially women’s) in a social situation intrigues me, and if this helps my dilemma then that’s great. I’m not

expecting pheromones to be the miracle cure, but I’m hoping that they will help increase, not my level of

attractiveness but, my chances of greater sexual (and social) success. I’m really looking forward to ‘playing’ with

SOE and NPA, when they arrive. I hope they’ll aid me to better understand the human (and feminine) psyche a great

deal more.

Thanks for reading.


Trebor





P.S. Could you please recommend an ideal third phoromone product to compliment SOE and NPA.

The ones I've read that have received rave reviews include AE, PI and A314. Could you also give reasons for your

personal preference. Cheers.

[paulman]

Given your situation I'd skip

the NPA initially and go with the SOE. It seems like you have no problem with attraction - rather closeness and

follow through. SOE is a masculine comfort pheromone and will likely help you. You may also want to consider A1 as

its a very powerful pheromone that make women very confortable around you. NPA can create great arousal and

attraction, but you must be careful as it can easliy intimidate women - a problem you have already described.

[Trebor]

Thanks paulman, for that.



However, I have the sneaking suspicion that the intimidation factor may have something to do with my physical

appearance, rather than my body's pheromones (hence my reason for purchasing NPA).


Trebor

[Holmes]

Try WAGG-N.

And I agree

that SOE and A1 would be good choices.

[Trebor]

But doesn't A1 have negative

side-effects on the wearer?


Trebor

[Holmes]

For some, yes. For others, no.

Just wear it away from your nose.

I have to wear most of these products (including SOE) away from the schnozz

because I don't like the way they affect me.

[Trebor]

I have to add that I'm not a

'lone wolf' in any way (and women, although intimidated by my looks, usually feel comfortable around me). I think

a lot of women would consider me to be gay (whenever I've asked, the usual response was 'Because you look like you

look after yourself'!) - the fact that I'm in no way effeminate confounds me even more. So, I'm pretty sure that

it's more to do with my appearance. Personally I have no intention of changing my identity to 'fit in', but I

think a pheromone product that can make a woman think 'Yeah, I'm intimidated by your looks but I don't give a

f*** because you really turn me on' is what I'm looking for - hence my decision to purchase NPA. Maybe that may

help to eliminate/reduce the suspicion that I'm gay.

What do you think?

[The Real FTR]

I'm confused. Women

suspect you're gay, but they're intimidated by you?

[Trebor]

It's quite simple - it all boils

down to physical appearance: Good looking + Looks after himself + Self-confidence = Must be gay.

When I

originally mentioned intimidation, it was in terms of them maybe feeling that either:

1) I take care of myself

better than they do, or

2) They can't 'get me' like other typical men and are unnerved by it.


Trebor

[The Real FTR]

Oh, now I see!

[InvisibleEdge]

But

doesn't A1 have negative side-effects on the wearer?


Trebor

:welcome: I don't notice any

negative side-effects with A1. And I SOE-NPA-A1 is great combo for me.

[Trebor]

I just see the possibility of

pheromones aiding me in helping to diffuse the situation.

For example, last month, I flew to Madrid and Paris

for holidays. On each of the four flights, I sat next to an attractive woman and started a conversation with them

(they were flying alone, of course). I was successful on 3 of the 4 flights (the unsuccessful one was a Spanish

businesswoman p***ed off because she had to attend a meeting in England). Out of those three successes (all of which

were very pleasant encounters), one had a boyfriend and the other two were single. I'm still in touch with two of

them via e-mail, and it's great getting to know them more, but I didn't get a 'hit'. The one that didn't

contact me was the one that was most into me (with DIHL at the boarding lounge), but she lives in Mexico.

So,

maybe now you can understand my need to obtain that edge that seems to be missing in my 'adventures'.




Trebor

[gaf]

It's quite simple -

it all boils down to physical appearance: Good looking + Looks after himself + Self-confidence = Must be gay.


When I originally mentioned intimidation, it was in terms of them maybe feeling that either:
1) I take care of

myself better than they do, or
2) They can't 'get me' like other typical men and are unnerved by it.


Trebor

I feel for you as I have the same problem , Often I'm mistaken for being gay because of the

reasons you stated... :think:
#2 seems to be the main reason I think , I seem to be able to pick on a woman

flirting with me with ease now. If I'm feeling playfull I have a bit of fun and it just confuses the hell out of

them, especially when they realise I like woman...
The odd thing I realised the other day was that when meeting

woman in a work situation they are often a bit standoffish, but In a social environment (+ alcohol) they can be

flirting like crazy.

[Trebor]

Snap!

It seems to be all

down to personal perception, as well as the way women are conditioned to perceive heterosexual men in general.

That's why I feel NPA may help me in this department.

gaf, have you tried NPA? If yes, what results did you get

from using it?


Trebor

[gaf]

Nope,
But I've found even one

drop of PI turns me into the hulk and everyone
wants to pick a fight with me!
AE is great or 1-2 sprays

chikara or wagg-n , all work good in a different way. Soe makes me sleepy so I don't tend to to there...
I made

a mix up that seems to have a great response in woman my age and older , also the "darker" the woman the stronger

the response generally... But then, for some reason not many europeans tend to be attracted to me anyway and thats

ok by me. (even though I am euro myself)
Here's my new magic formula
in a 20ml bottle:
(approx 5mls each)

1 part AE, 1 part WAGG+N, 1 part SOE, 3 drops PI
In other words , the leftovers from other

bottles....

apply 2-4 drops depending on the situation , more for a club, less for work. YMMV :POKE:

:thumbsup:

[Trebor]

Hi gaf,

Thanks for your

helpful advice.

I'm getting a bit concerned, as a newbie, by the lack of input from the more experienced

useres of this forum. I know it early days yet, with my introduction to pheromones, but I'm really feeling a lack

of support at the moment. Anyway, I just wanted to get that point off my chest.

As for PI, based on what I've

been reading over the last 24 hours, it's definitely one I should avoid! NPA seems boarderline, so I'll see when I

get it. AE and A314 are potential next buys, but I'm going to wait until I've tested SOE and NPA (I may even

replace NPA with AE, if NPA has a largely negative effect on me). As for WAGG, I don't think I'll be needing it as

I have no problem breaking the ice (and I'm not a 'lone wolf').

In terms of women, I'm only interested in

white European women - black and Asian women do not interest me in the slightest. I can't explain why, it's just

something in my genes...


Trebor

[koolking1]

My recommendation would be

SOE, A1, LT, AE/M.

It would be difficult I think for some of the long term gurus on here to address your

problem as most of them are from the USA and we have a sorta different sense of style and way of dressing than

Europeans. I sometimes am in contact with Europeans at auctions here in the USA and they can come across as having

a bit too much flair in their clothing and body language. It's all very subtle though and difficult to define. I

think, but I may be wrong, that given your stylish clothing and European accent, that you'd freak out most USA

women. They'd find you attractive, sophisticated, and alluring but not what they envision having as a long-term

lover/mate. I can't speak for Europe but feel that most women here in the USA do not want someone who dresses

better, acts more stylish, or looks better than they do. Also, if other guys are giving you the eye any woman with

you is going to notice that and that fact would just add to their anxiety, no? Although your questions are posed in

the men's forum, it might do well to have some women comment on your dilemna, after all - they would know better

than we guys what they want in a man.

Just wondering though, do you have a bunch of guys that you hang out

with from time to time. For some reason, I suspect you don't. Is that correct or ?

[The Real FTR]

Here's what I see.

You

said you were "successful" on 3 of the 4 flights. 3 outta 4 ain't bad.

The breakdown:
1 had a boyfriend
1

lives in Mexico
2 are single and presently corresponding with you

I don't see anything wrong with you or your

game, at least not from this anecdote. You are comfortable approaching, you're comfortable getting the contact

information, they like you well enough to talk with you and give you their contact information ... so I guess I have

two questions:

1. What did you expect?

2. What, if anything, are you doing to close the deal with the

two women you're emailing with?

IMO, women who peg you as a homosexual because you're well-groomed and

well-dressed are not going to be compatible partners for you anyway, so they're doing you a favor to rule you

out.

[Trebor]

Hi all,

koolking1 -

thanks for your views. No, I don't hang out with a bunch of guys from time to time, simply because it gets too

macho for my tastes (although, once in a while, will entertain this possibility if I can see it working). I prefer

going out with one friend or a small group (preferrably mixed, to balance things out).

As for American women,

I'm more into Latin American women than those from the US. However, I do understand your point and have long been

aware of it.

Yeah, maybe I will try the women's forum on this subject - good idea!


The Real FTR -

No, I wasn't expecting anything, just simply trying to go with the flow (I treated these situations merely as an

adventure with no heavy expectations). As for the two that I'm still in contact with, one does have a boyfriend. I

already dated the one that was single, but (don't laugh) she didn't realize we were on a date! A bit of a daddy's

girl, in retrospect, but still cute...

Your last comment about the women who perceive me the wrong way was spot

on. It's just a pity some of them are fit...


Trebor

[koolking1]

Trebor: I guess I suspected

correctly about your social life with other males (not that I think it's wrong, not at all). I suspect then that

women see you as a sort of "lone wolf" type and it's generally recommended that they stay away from .none heavy

products but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you try AE/m with SOE. A1, and liquid trust. I also think as

FTRreal pointed out that you have fared pretty well in spite of what you think, not bad and congrats!!!

I do

get around a bit, both here and abroad, and I find that very few European men are interested in American women save

the Irish and British (green card factor might be there too). You really just don't see many marriages here anymore

with Europeans. I really would think you'd have good luck with the Latin Americans though. They do seem to have

heavier European roots/leanings than we Americans do. I'm also, going out again on a limb, thinking that what you

will see is more American women hooking up with Asian men.

I've always had great luck on airplanes when

wearing mones. I think the enclosed space has a lot to do with it. Did you make any impressions on any good looking

airline hostesses?

[Trebor]

Hi koolking1,

Could you

define a 'lone wolf', because I've always understood it to be an aggressive man or a predator (which I'm not).



American women hooking up with Asian men - in London and Paris I've seen more of the opposite. Any reason why

white American men have a thing for Asian women?

Airline hostesses - I flew with easyJet (a European airline)

and there have never been any attractive ones on any of their flights (and I've used this airline quite a lot).

BTBH, they're usually white English women and I simply can't stand that type of woman! However, Air France has

some nice babes, but haven't used them (the airline, that is) for 7 years.

What about A314?


Trebor

[koolking1]

hmmm I think my

definition of Lone Wolf is a little different perhaps. Although you are right, Lone Wolf on this forum tends to

mean aggressive I also take it to mean "I'm on my own and have no need for company"; "I'm not the needy type" - a

person who may seem to be a bit "stand-offish". Hope that makes sense, it is a little awkward trying to explain it.



American men and Asian women. Well, geez, part of it has to be the enormous amount of young American men

who spent a year or so in Vietnam and also were able to travel to places like Hong Kong and Bangkok while there.

There must have been at least 2-3 million guys who passed thru there during the war. But, that being said, I have

spent a lot of time in Thailand and I feel that you see more European men with Asians now rather than Americans.

Another factor is likely weight. Not that American men are any better, but there sure are a whole lot of fat people

here these days and it seems to be getting worse. It's a, pardon the pun, gigantic problem. On my last trip to

Thailand I noticed that there are a lot of women travelling there now alone and in groups. Those Thai guys at the

beaches look pretty good physically and they can charm. Also, just looking around at college campuses here you see

a lot of Asian guys and they tend to study harder and have better financial futures ahead of them, women tend to

notice things like that.

Air France, yes!!! I had the pleasant experience of flying with them many years

ago on a 747 for the Bangkok to Manila leg of their round the world flight. There were 6 passenger and 18 hostesses

(everyone of them a looker) and they just partied on the plane with us as they had nothing else to do - it was

great!!! Pre-mones though.

I cannot stand London. Anywhere but there!! Let us know how you make out with

the mones!

[Holmes]

A314 projects "importance" more

than anything. Liquid presence.

"Lone wolf" can mean different things. What it always meant to me was an

independent-bordering-on-insular-and-antisocial vibe..."stay away from me...I don't need you for anything...hi ho

Silver, away" kind of thing. More of a brooding, "fuck off" type of aura than a predatory one.

Why can't you

stand London, koolking? (Yes, Air France is great, btw.)

[Trebor]

Yeah koolking1, what's wrong

with London (not that I've taken any offence)?

I have to be honest with you, as much as I love socializing,

people have mentioned in the past that I can come across as someone who has self-confidence but also appears insular

(but not anti-social). However, socializing is something that I can take or leave - sometimes doing something (like

going to the cinema alone) can be as rewarding as hanging out with others in a bar or at a concert. It really

depends on what I'm in the mood for at the time. And, yes, I'm not a needy person (except for when I'm deeply in

love with someone).


Air France, yes!!! I had the pleasant experience of flying with them many years ago

on a 747 for the Bangkok to Manila leg of their round the world flight. There were 6 passenger and 18 hostesses

(everyone of them a looker) and they just partied on the plane with us as they had nothing else to do - it was

great!!! Pre-mones though.

Lucky bas***d! Yeah, when I last flew with Air France, I was still working on

my self-confidence. One of the hostesses took a bit of a shine to me and I only realized as I left the plane (she

was really checking me out as I approached her, to leave the plane). Once again, there were less than 10 passengers

on the 747 flight.

I'll have to find a way to fly with them again (wearing pheromones, of course!).




Trebor

[Trebor]

Well, I've just ordered a bottle

of AE (it was on my top 3 list of next buys, anyway), in order to compare and contrast it against NPA. If I have to

return one of them then so be it, but I think I'm going to have a lot of fun (for better or worse)!

I'm

planning to experiment with these in public places (during the day), such as parks and on the underground. At least

if I have a bad experience, I can escape (as opposed to being in an office or in a club).

Holmes - is A314 only

good for wearing at the workplace? It seems that the jury's still out on this product (from what I've been

reading).


Trebor

[gaf]

This is scary,
I'm reading posts

from someone that could be me...
Well, apart from the fact that I'm white and from downunder!:wave:

[Trebor]

Hey gaf, stop trying to feak me

out!

So how about telling me something about your experiences (if this is the case)?


Trebor

[SwingerMD]

Trebor,

NPA is a good

product, but since it has no cover scent it is best mixed with cologne or other scented pheromone products. AE has

a balance of rone, -none, and -nol. Hasn't worked for me in the past, but there are a lot of people here that

swear by it.

As for A314 it is good social as well as for business, but you really have to know what you are

doing with it. As Holmes mentioned it projects "importance". WAGG is along the same lines as this, but in my

experience it screams it out louder than A314. I have found that if you are able to do something that proves your

"importance", the women will sometimes take the initiative in chasing you.

For example, one of the places

that I first tested out WAGG was at the Balboa class that I was taking at the time. Balboa is a swing dance that

was developed in the 1930s in responce to dance floors that were too crowded for a swingout. Pure Balboa is done

strictly in closed position with lead and follow "sandwiched" to each other. How close is this? In my first class,

my teacher corrected me saying, "No Swinger, you are not pulling her in close enough. You should be able to feel

your follow's right boob in the middle of your chest." :o

Anyhow before the class, I put on about 2 drops of

WAGG (one behind each ear). First time around, there was this cute brunette, Tina, that almost immediately after we

got into closed position, leaned back into my arm as far as she could. It seemed as if she really didn't like the

smell of WAGG and that she was trying to push away from me as much as she could without losing contact with the

inside of my right hand. About 1/2 way through the class my instructor, praised me in front of the entire class for

hitting a stop in the music saying, ". . .that was so awesome that you able to do that Swinger."

The next

time that Tina rotated to me she pulled me in really close, rested her cheek against mine, and started to sniff

around my neck. She also refused to rotate to anyone else after that.

Hope this helps.

-SwingerMD

[Trebor]

Hi SwingerMD,

Thaks very much

for your contribution. I've always been weary about getting WAGG, so I'll pass on it for now (unless AE AND

NPA have negative effects on me regardless). A314 is the next one I have in my sights, but need to test out AE, NPA

and SOE thoroughly first. However, your experiences with them have been taken on board.

Previous threads contain

a wealth of information, which can often be overwhelming. However, I'm slowly getting a better understanding of

what I should be doing with the products once I get them - it's getting easier day by day...

Once again, many

thanks.


Trebor

[koolking1]

Swinger MD, he's really

got it down and more single guys could do well by emulating him by learning how to dance (guys - women just love it,

if I wasn't with Sue I think I'd do what he does). I think only Geogi is better positioned to be around lots of

women all the time.

Trebor, I don't like London as I can be a cheapskate at times and you just do not get

your money's worth there and the people are downright rude. Also, conversely, I just am not a bus/subway kind of

person and always take cabs instead - the last time I was there, 2 months ago, I spent more on cabfare than I did on

airfare. And then, I had to listen non-stop to the cabdriver telling me how bad/worthless the New York City

cabdrivers are. Well, NYC cabdrivers may have little in the way of English speaking skills, but they ALWAYS go the

right way and it doesn't cost that much. I also find the English to be way too opinionated about most things and,

in particular, they are very casual about using racist language. And, their soccer thugs - nothing like being in a

bar overseas someplace when they walk in shirtless and totally drunk by noon. Time to leave then. I do know some

very nice English people though and I really hate to have said the above when I think about how nice these people

are.

[Trebor]

Fair enough koolking1, but I

think you've just had a few culture shocks/bad experiences.

Sure, London is expensive and there's a lot of

English pricks around, but it's like any other city. For example, I love Paris but I find the Parisians far more

rude than the English IMHO. I also find the way they perceive certain things quite perplexing. However, it hasn't

stopped me from wanting to go back there (I mean, how can I turn my back on a country full of gorgeous sex

kittens!).

As for dancing, part of my 'Is he gay?' problem is the way I dance. Women have often claimed that

I'm too provocative on the dancefloor - not that it stops them complimenting me all the time (or checking me out).

However, I'm sure 'that question' crosses their minds at least once...


Trebor

[SwingerMD]

Hi SwingerMD,



Thaks very much for your contribution. I've always been weary about getting WAGG, so I'll pass on it for now

(unless AE AND NPA have negative effects on me regardless). A314 is the next one I have in my sights, but

need to test out AE, NPA and SOE thoroughly first. However, your experiences with them have been taken on board.



Previous threads contain a wealth of information, which can often be overwhelming. However, I'm slowly getting

a better understanding of what I should be doing with the products once I get them - it's getting easier day by

day...

Once again, many thanks.
Trebor

Trebor,

No problem. Dispite that hit, I

really don't use WAGG that much. I don't have much of a problem with -none products, I feel a little bit on edge

(performance wise) when wearing it, and A314 is starting to work out for me (use it in a mix with beta-nol and

another pheromone product to good results).

Good luck with SOE and NPA when you get them. For SOE I get my

best results when a roll on a total of about 12". That's 4" per forearm, 2" behind ears, and 2" on the sides of

the neck.

Yes there is quite a bit of info here on the forum to sift through. Best thing to do is keep in

mind the general concencus of what each product seems to be doing, but also be alert for some of the results that

are way out there (they do sometimes happen).

Koolking1,

Thanks man. :) I enjoy reading about your

adventures. Funny that you mention Geogi. I think he mentioned that he went to the Univ. of WA. I actually work

there currently (graduate as well). Wonderful place to test out new mixes and mones.

-SwingerMD

[gaf]

Hey gaf, stop trying

to feak me out!
So how about telling me something about your experiences (if this is the case)?


Trebor

I just mean in attitude you're very similar to me , also the same with the fact you're happy

to go out and do your own thing. :wave: