View Full Version : chikara has left my closet
luxveritas
05-06-2006, 02:09 PM
I have
used chikara a total of 15-20 times. Mainly because I really enjoy the scent. During this time I have seen very few
positive results and lately many negative results. Thursday was the last straw. I went out on my pub crawl with 2
sprays of chikara in my hair. I didn't get tanked but kept my drinking to the point where friendly and clever meet.
One bartender who is usually very friendly nearly kicked me out over nothing. Really absolutely nothing she was
really cranky with me and I didn't say or do anything rude. Other people in the pub ignored me and walked away even
though I was more outgoing and funny than I ever am. I was hillarious; sounded like a stand up comic; people were
laughing nonstop then they became rude and disrespectful. People who know me kept their distance. I threw the bottle
of chikara out when I got home. People treated me worse while wearing this than wearing nothing at all.
Last
night I went out with my normal SOE+NPA combo. I was tired and not too friendly or funny but the same bitchy people
from the day before were all over me.
Gegogi
05-06-2006, 03:06 PM
Me thinks you give pheromones far
too much credit. Otherwise you could sprinkle SOE on a socially retarded loser and watch him cut big deals, make
friends in high places and puppies and children cling to him. It ain't so. They can only enhance--amp up--what's
there. They don't create your character, behavior or appearance. However, if you're cocky and rude, you can easily
escalate into a flaming arse, at least in the eyes of those nearby. If you're depressed, it's painly apparent to
others.
Judging from your age I bet you're brimming with 'none already. Perhaps your behavior, natural
pheromones and C7 combined to create a negative result. I often think my associates are rude & cocky when they're
sure they were merely outgoing and funny. Perceptions vary greatly and it's difficult to see yourself through
other's eyes.
Incidentally, C7 doesn't do jack for me: nothing positive or negative. Nothing at all. I used
to wear it with lots of NPA and it was okay but NPA by itself was just as good.
bronzie
05-06-2006, 03:23 PM
lux man, dont stress, throw it
out like you did, done and over with, if it didnt work, good, take that as a good sign because you have eliminated a
product that doesnt work, and those that understand the philosophy of elimination you will come to the understanding
that you will end up with a product that does work for you. your an inch closer to success.
the only down
side to this is that often one needs to go through many different products to find the one that works, its a
somewhat lengthy process and costly in terms of finances, .mones are not exactly cheap, and I often have purchased
the same product twice before it ends up in that bottomless pit that i call "product to never use or bought again"
luxveritas
05-06-2006, 04:14 PM
I don't give mones much
credit at all compared to facial expressions tonality content of conversation even clothing is more important. but
after 15-20 rolls of the dice with only negative or neutral results from chikara it is time to take it off my list.
On nights where I wear soe+npa and dont act like a bump on a log are positive 1/3 of the time. I only posted this
because it was the first time I had overtly negative responses.
My humor style is not confrontational. I dont
often rip on people except for really really small things. Like if a girl wears sparkles. It is also not terribly
self-depricating so I didnt give anyone an excuse to walk on me. When people make potentially fight-picking comments
towards me I usually spin them into a joke instead of getting offended at them. But it is true I don't have a tape
to review to see and hear my inflections or body language.
PS i am not angry chikara didn't work for me. I was
just trying to give it another go and seeing the results. I had shelved it for a month or 2 because I found SOE+NPA.
Soon enough I'll have to test AA314 again to see what happens. I haven't given that one a fair chance yet.
slickracer
05-06-2006, 04:53 PM
yeah, i sometimes have
trouble with this product too. when ever i wear it it kind of makes me quick wited as i am allways up on my toes in
convasations. even tho i become really funny and quick wited i always seems to offend somebody because of the fact
that there is intemadation factors on the other person involve and you come off as (what i always call chikara as)
the bad cop effect.
johnnyc
05-07-2006, 12:06 AM
cut your chikara dosage in half,
i had the same problem when i first started using it. Every guy wanted to confront me and every woman enjoyed
playing the pms card.
Friendly1
05-08-2006, 12:40 AM
Chikara in the hair. Well,
that's a new one to me.
However, admitting to having consumed alcohol makes your judgement that the alcohol
didn't play into anything rather suspect. You say you were hilarious and people laughed at first. Maybe what you
thought was funny was just toxic humor, which becomes old and unfunny very fast.
Chikara may indeed not be for
you. We each have our own unique body chemistry. But I suggest you try different environments where alcohol is not
on the menu.
And if it's not too late to get the bottle back from wherever you threw it, try spraying the
Chikara on other parts of your body.
You don't say you've doing it the same way in the same kind of
environment for your 15-20 outings, so it's hard for us to provide good advice.
luxveritas
05-08-2006, 06:51 AM
It is true that alcohol was
involved but I was only drinking beer, slowly. The only time I really test my mones is in a bar environment. So all
of my comparisons to other products come from the bar. Alcohol cuts through the crap pretty quick so you find out
what people really think about you.
With only 15-20 tests it is possible that I have just been very unlucky on
the nights that I have worn Chikara.
Gegogi
05-08-2006, 11:43 AM
I've found bars to be absolutely
the worst environment to test 'mones, or even a new shirt! Everyday life--e.g., work, school, dinner parties,
church singles, ball room dancing, etc.--is more practical and telling of results. Alcohol, smoke, darkness, high
sound levels and dense crowds tend to twist both results and perception.
luxveritas
05-08-2006, 12:26 PM
I have always wondered about
the smoke in bars. Many of the people who go to bars also smoke. I would imagine that the smoke would clog the
receptors responsible for the unconscious perception of pheromones. I would imagine that pheromones have greater
reactions with people who don't smoke.
However, alcohol would seem to help the test environment. Pheromones
cause a small unconscious visceral reaction. Most people are programmed to ignore these emotional physical
reactions. When someone is even slightly intoxicated I would imagine they are more likely to act on instinct and
their subconscious programming.
Friendly1
05-08-2006, 08:10 PM
I agree with Gegogi. Use
pheromones in other environments. While you may feel the bar environment is very relaxed for you (you know your
crowd far better than we), you'll still find that other situations can give you insights into how pheromones help
or hinder you.
You have to understand that some guys report better results with one product, other guys report
better results with another, etc.
But some of us have found that we can use one product for one environment,
another product for a different environment, etc.
Chikara could be your Sunday-go-to-meetin' pheromone. How
will you know if you only try it in one type of situation?
real_wiseman
05-09-2006, 07:03 AM
I got a similar experience
with Chikara gel when working out at the gym, but this may have been a coincidence.
// w
luxveritas
05-09-2006, 07:36 AM
Thank you for your responses.
Friendly1 and Gregogi, you obliviously have way way more experience than I do. In my current situation I havent had
enough experiences outside the bar to really get a good idea of what these products do. In my limited experiences
outside the bar, people are too hard to read to make any judgements. So maybe with time I will get better at
decifering real from fake body language.
Friendly1
05-10-2006, 05:22 PM
Fake body language is actually
very rare, in my opinion. You'll find it used most often by politicians and public speakers, but even the most
schooled body language users reveal something of their true intentions and states of mind.
DrSmellThis
05-11-2006, 03:31 AM
I had good results with C7
when using it in very small amounts (one not quite full spray), in combo with other things. I had not as good
results when using it alone or in higher quantities (2 full sprays, etc). Yet not having had it for several
months, I miss it. Unfortunately for my finances, I usually find a good way to use every product.
Whitehall
05-11-2006, 01:56 PM
Chikara hasn't shown me any
negative side effects yet and it does smell nicely. However, I can't connect it to a single positive pheromone
response.
Too bad.
itwow
05-17-2006, 10:07 AM
I had a similar
problem with Chikara, at 1 spray. Half sprays are a waste (it drips on the bottle instead). Solution is to remove
the whole sprayhead section, exposing the glass bottle. Transfer Chikara contents into dropper bottle & find
individual OD range. Buy dropper bottles with small glass tubes.
Although Chikara did generate positive
responses for many users, it did not address the issue for those who failed to use Chikara at any value (a few
threads are dedicated to this problem). Rather than pointing the failure to other factors (i.e. behaviour,
environment etc, which could be legitimate on their own), try to offer viable options for these users to continue
using Chikara.
Imagine, NPA in a sealed sprayhead bottle.
CptKipling
05-18-2006, 09:18 AM
Although Chikara did
generate positive responses for many users, it did not address the issue for those who failed to use Chikara at any
value (a few threads are dedicated to this problem). Rather than pointing the failure to other factors (i.e.
behaviour, environment etc, which could be legitimate on their own), try to offer viable options for these users to
continue using Chikara.
I'm not certain about what you're getting at here...
The simple fact is
that different pheromone products elicit different reactions, and sometimes peoples behaviour is not congruent with
seeing those reactions manifest to their maximum potential.
itwow
05-18-2006, 01:25 PM
Pheromones affect the wearer &
others around them. If negative reactions are experienced by wearer/others at 1 spray, what can be done? Half a
spray is unreliable & it leaks. Try it yourself.
For NPA, an OD reaction can be mitigated by using lower
dosages but this is not an option for Chikara. If the dosage can be controlled properly, it will allow the user to
find a working dosage & continue using the product.
A product which does nothing is much better than a
product that makes things worse. There are scattered threads/posts mentioning arguments or negative reactions from
Chikara. It is a legitimate issue.
It is a simple problem to solve at design level. There are better
sprayheads to be used if one cares to look. Those sprayhead used by are very good, there's a spring on
the tube of the sprayhead. Chikara could employ something similar.
i2w
DrSmellThis
05-19-2006, 11:45 AM
Pheromones affect
the wearer & others around them. If negative reactions are experienced by wearer/others at 1 spray, what can be
done? Half a spray is unreliable & it leaks. Try it yourself.
For NPA, an OD reaction can be mitigated by using
lower dosages but this is not an option for Chikara. If the dosage can be controlled properly, it will allow the
user to find a working dosage & continue using the product.
A product which does nothing is much better than a
product that makes things worse. There are scattered threads/posts mentioning arguments or negative reactions from
Chikara. It is a legitimate issue.
It is a simple problem to solve at design level. There are better sprayheads
to be used if one cares to look. Those sprayhead used by are very good, there's a spring on the tube of
the sprayhead. Chikara could employ something similar.
i2wYou can get a smaller spray with C7 by pressing
gently, lightly and quickly on the head (insert wisecrack here). It doesn't leak if you do it that way. I used C7
to attract a much younger, pretty girlfriend -- a relationship which fell apart only after I ran out of C7 (which
may mean absolutely nothing, but for the sake of disclosure...).
luxveritas
05-21-2006, 07:23 PM
I may have overeacted. After
seeing the effects that EW has had on me I think I may have put too much emphasis on the role pheromones have in
interactions. I also think that by the time I had most of my interactions the pheromones had worn off.
I saw
that EW only effected me for 2-4 hours. This weekend I went out with 2-3x the ammount of mones I normally go out
with. Some girls were acting really really weird around me. One girl who was with her boyfriend stood extremely
uncomfortably close to me when there was a whole lot of room. She kept staring off into space in my direction.
Girls were getting really goofy around me telling me stuff like I am the kind of guy they date. I got my first DIHL
and was the center of attention. This leads me to believe that pheromones lose a lot of their power at the 3hour
mark and for me personally even If I OD my personallity is friendly enough that I dont get my ass kicked.
one
night I wore 2 sprays chikara (fished it out of the trash bin because I love the scent.) 2 drops of NPA 2 drops of
AA314. I think I will start reapplying my mones at the 3 hour mark.
PS I also got a "what the hell is that
smell" with the NPA but the girls were frisky. It seems the times NPA has been super successful for me its scent was
percievible. The girls say god you reek then get all over me. Who knows? At least it doesn't make me smell like a
dirty bastard but more like I have been playing with gasoline.
There is no way I am going to screw around like
this at work. So far It has been fun going OD on the mones at the pubs.
Friendly1
05-21-2006, 09:50 PM
You can cover NPA with a good
cologne. Many guys do.
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