View Full Version : Androstenone effects and considerations
Johnny
05-02-2006, 04:29 PM
First post here, but I've been lurking for some time.
I've been using pheros from time to time for a few
years. At first I used a -none/-nol mix but lately I've been using the "Passion Pheromone Attractant" (PPA)
parfume, which afaik is only androstenone. It really seems to be working, but there's a few odd things I wonder
about.
1) Isn't the main effect really on the wearer rather than the target? I get much calmer, worriless,
confident and is 'focusing on the game' when I wear PPA. Combined with decent looks and a friendly personality
this seems to give MY brain the edge it needs for performing seduction. Afterall, as the wearer I'm exposed to a
lot more of the none than my target. Being a skinny built vegetarian I assume I have naturally low testosterone
levels.
2) Won't wearing synthetic pheromones lower your natural pheromone production? My very limited knowledge
in physiology says the human body tends to down-regulate anything when exposed to unnatural amounts of it.
3)
I've been seducing one of my female friends, and everytime we sit around and talk she is very touchy, always finds
a way to shift the topic to sex and looks into my eyes forever. Of course I encourage it as much as I can. However,
when we talk on the phone she is completely different, irritable and sounds annoyed.
Is this a typical "withdrawal
syndrome" from pheros ? I solve the problem by spending as little time as possible on the phone, but it would be
interesting to know other peoples experiences and possible work-arounds.
4) While pheros seem to be working great
for me, I really don't want to wear them all the time or all my life. I hear that if you change your "pheromone
signature", girlfriends tend to get upset and ditch you (and I might have experienced something like this). How can
you counteract this? Perhaps I could gradually lower my none 'dosage' over the course of a year or
something?
5) I'm only wearing -none at the moment, and this has some negative impacts on my friendship with
other males. Therefore I recently aquired some unscented SOE. Again, there's the "signature change" problem. How do
you guys do when you're experimenting with different mixes?
6) The old none + nol mix seemed to be better on
certain women, and I wonder if a mix of New Pheromone Additive (NPA) + SOE would be comparable. Afaik NPA is only
androstenone right? And SOE is nol + rone?
7) Do you think that phero colognes are really a good idea in the long
run, or do they just allow you to "play out of your league" for a short while?
8) I got a male sample pack from
LS. How do you use these? (I do understand how to apply gels...) Won't the different phero signatures be a really
bad idea if you're meeting the same people on each one of them?
9) How do you figure out the most suitable phero
combo to wear, considering your natural phero signature? Pure trial and error seems pretty risky since this is
powerful stuff and you never know when you're going to run into Her.
FWIW, I'm 26, 6 feet, not shy, straight,
single (more or less...) with a few longer relationships behind me.
Mtnjim
05-02-2006, 05:03 PM
1) Isn't the main
effect really on the wearer rather than the target? I get much calmer, worriless, confident and is 'focusing on the
game' when I wear PPA. Combined with decent looks and a friendly personality this seems to give MY brain the edge
it needs for performing seduction. Afterall, as the wearer I'm exposed to a lot more of the none than my target.
Being a skinny built vegetarian I assume I have naturally low testosterone levels.
They effect
both.
2) Won't wearing synthetic pheromones lower your natural pheromone production?
Not in this case
3) I've been seducing one of my female friends, and everytime we sit around and talk
she is very touchy, always finds a way to shift the topic to sex and looks into my eyes forever. Of course I
encourage it as much as I can.
And you haven't moved forward?
4) While pheros seem to
be working great for me, I really don't want to wear them all the time or all my life. I hear that if you change
your "pheromone signature", girlfriends tend to get upset and ditch you (and I might have experienced something like
this). How can you counteract this? Perhaps I could gradually lower my none 'dosage' over the course of a year or
something?
Don't worry about it at the moment.
5) I'm only wearing -none at the moment, and
this has some negative impacts on my friendship with other males. Therefore I recently aquired some unscented SOE.
Again, there's the "signature change" problem. How do you guys do when you're experimenting with different
mixes?
look
HERE! (http://pherolibrary.com/pheromone-guide/cookbook/cookbook.htm)
6) The old none + nol
mix seemed to be better on certain women, and I wonder if a mix of New Pheromone Additive (NPA) + SOE would be
comparable. Afaik NPA is only androstenone right? And SOE is nol + rone?
See "DD#1" at the
above.
7) Do you think that phero colognes are really a good idea in the long run, or do they just allow
you to "play out of your league" for a short while?
8) I got a male sample pack from LS. How do you use these? (I
do understand how to apply gels...) Won't the different phero signatures be a really bad idea if you're meeting
the same people on each one of them?
9) How do you figure out the most suitable phero combo to wear, considering
your natural phero signature? Pure trial and error seems pretty risky since this is powerful stuff and you never
know when you're going to run into Her.
FWIW, I'm 26, 6 feet, not shy, straight, single (more or less...) with
a few longer relationships behind me.
Read the forums :blink:
By the way :welcome:
Johnny
05-02-2006, 05:37 PM
Not in this
case Is this a scientific fact? I know it's not like taking testosterone supplements, but still. It must
have some sort of effect, doesn't it?
And you haven't moved forward? Of course I
have :) But it's not really a relationship yet, and I think I'd like to keep it like it is for a while. She gets
to think she has to work for it... I really don't like playing with her like this (I'm more the romantic kind of
guy, well used to be...), but it seems it is what women really want when it comes to sex, and I'd like to keep
her.
Don't worry about it at the moment. Why not? When I need the knowledge it might be
too late to start looking :(
Read the forums :blink: Is this like in RTFM, or more like
"nobody knows for sure, that's why we have the forums" ? Because I'm especially curious about my question #8.
Getting lots of hits from women keeps my self-esteem up (ridiculous yes, but what the hell it's fun!) and keeps my
'real target' on her toes.
By the way :welcome: Thanks!
Mtnjim
05-02-2006, 05:50 PM
Sorry, I don't understand
the reference to "DD#1".
It stands for "Donald Duck #1" mix. Specifically a SoE/NPA mix. Named after the
Inventor "Donald Duck" who now posts here as "Watcher".
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtnjim
Read the forums :blink:
Is this like in RTFM, or more like "nobody knows for sure, that's why we have the forums"
?
More like RTFM, but different. There is great power in the forums.:drunk:
Also, you are entering an
area of research that is still "young' and you will find some answers don't apply to you. All of your other
questions are answered by the Oracle of Delphi ...ermm I mean the forums.:type:
Johnny
05-02-2006, 05:59 PM
Sorry, I changed my reply while
you were replying to it... (the last section)
Mtnjim
05-02-2006, 06:03 PM
Sorry, I changed my
reply while you were replying to it... (the last section)
Question #8 is difficult to answer, because it
varies from person to person. A lot depends on your personal signature as a starting point. That's why using ~mones
is called experimenting.
Johnny
05-02-2006, 06:08 PM
Another one for you. I read in
the Cookbook that wearing -none will get girls who have their period aggressive. This hasn't been the case for me
at all. Does this indicate that it's all been false positives and it's all my natural charm or whatever?
Cullmanz Own
05-02-2006, 07:51 PM
It all depends on the girl.
Some it does, some it doesn't. Being calm sometimes has an effect but some women are more sensitive to smells than
others on their ".". Be cautious tho, some women can be agressive, sometimes even violent. And I mean not
sexually agressive but VIOLENTLY aggressive. I'm heeding you a fair warning in my own experience recently. A girl i
know was on the rag (I saw her gettin a tampon) and i was wearin my TE and she started gettin all pissed at me and
tryin to shove me. I just laughed at her and walked away. They turn into beasts man! Be careful.
Sigma
05-02-2006, 08:24 PM
3) I've been
seducing one of my female friends, and everytime we sit around and talk she is very touchy, always finds a way to
shift the topic to sex and looks into my eyes forever. Of course I encourage it as much as I can. However, when we
talk on the phone she is completely different, irritable and sounds annoyed.
Is this a typical "withdrawal
syndrome" from pheros ? I solve the problem by spending as little time as possible on the phone, but it would be
interesting to know other peoples experiences and possible work-arounds.
Mones play a more prevalant
role in the attraction building, lust drive. They play a less important role when lust and attraction are advanced
to infatutuation. Infatuation is more or less a conditioned sense of attraction with or without the actual physical,
attractive stimuli. Point is, if the overall experience of being physically around you is strong enough (a product
of both your game/personality + pheromones and others) then a simple phone conversation, or just the mere thought of
you should register similar sensations as if she were phsysically with you, mones and all.
I think the most
important point is that pheromones shouldn't be the most attractive part of you. People are far more comlpex than
that. Learn to create those same sensations without the use of synthetic pheromones. Men have been doing it for ages
afterall.[/quote]
4) While pheros seem to be working great for me, I really don't want to wear
them all the time or all my life. I hear that if you change your "pheromone signature", girlfriends tend to get
upset and ditch you (and I might have experienced something like this). How can you counteract this? Perhaps I could
gradually lower my none 'dosage' over the course of a year or something?
The presence of pheromones on
you is a big change to people who know you well, but people have a highly adaptive nature....they will adapt to
change over time. I think adjustment to pheromone signiatures is better facilitated if the pheromone signiature
shares some congruencey with your behavior. Some pheromones are simply too different from your inherent personality,
in which case either tone down the mones, or make changes in your personality. Not to say you should change who you
are, but don't don a lot of none and "talk" the unconscious "talk", and not back it up by "walking the walk"
5) I'm only wearing -none at the moment, and this has some negative impacts on my friendship with
other males. Therefore I recently aquired some unscented SOE. Again, there's the "signature change" problem. How do
you guys do when you're experimenting with different mixes?
I've noticed the same initially with both
none and rone. Most took to none ok, and took to rone really well, but my more arrogant type friends didn't respond
well to it at all. They almost seemed threatened by it.
Again people tend to adapt to changes in your pheromone
signiature over time. The fact that your none, rone, nol etc levels are generally higher on a consistent basis does
seem to change people's perceptions of you. Minor changes in mixing won't affect long term perceptions much.
7) Do you think that phero colognes are really a good idea in the long run, or do they just allow
you to "play out of your league" for a short while?
I'll probably be using pheromones for quite a
while, not for the long term benefits, but for the short term ones. Even when I'm out of the game and finally
settled down one day many many years down the road, I'll still use pheromones to get a leg up in professional and
social settings. It probably won't be more than a 'once a week' thing...but who knows.
If you're thinking in
terms of establishing a long term relationship, I would certainly hope that these relationships would be founded on
something far more profound than pheromone signiatures...in which case I might tone down my usage. Again feelings of
infatuation and yes, love are about so much more than mere pheromones. That isn't to say that pheromones won't
benefit these types of relationships, but if the attachments are genuine, then pheromones will play a very small
part. I will keep them around for the occasional spice though.
9) How do you figure out the
most suitable phero combo to wear, considering your natural phero signature? Pure trial and error seems pretty risky
since this is powerful stuff and you never know when you're going to run into Her.
Experimentation and
trial and error are the best way. Based on the responses of people here, you can pretty accurately hypothesize which
products will work and which won't, but effective use of pheromones is based on a strong personal knowledge gained
through trial and error.
Dating itself is a long process of trial and error right. We date a woman, things
don't work, and we learn from the experience. I don't mean this as an insult to your approach to women, its more
of a rhetorical analogy... you really won't get a full grasp of how things work unless you take the risk of messing
up, and actually mess up time and time again. Goes for pheromones and women!
Your best bet when experimenting
though, is to do it on low risk off days...days where you can observe the effects of the pheromones without worrying
about the reprecussions of a mix gone bad.
Johnny
05-03-2006, 12:57 AM
It seems like I have a much
stronger belief in the power of the mones than you guys... But of course I have changed my personality to better
suit high none levels (not holding back my alpha instincts), and wearing none even helps that transformation
subconsiously.
I'm just afraid that I'll fuck up something good from improper use of mones, from not being
educated enough about them. Like I said, I probably have low natural mone levels to start with so it's really a
boost.
Gegogi
05-03-2006, 01:53 AM
A girl i know was on the
rag (I saw her gettin a tampon) and i was wearin my TE and she started gettin all pissed at me and tryin to shove
me. I just laughed at her and walked away. They turn into beasts man! Be careful.
I've never had a guy
get hostile while wearing 'mones but suffered a massive hostility from a woman--normally calm--while wearing OD
levels of NPA. She was sort of my GF but not (she was happily married). She was probably in a bad mood and the
'none merely irritated her further. I didn't do a thing but she when nuts, screaming, threatening and hitting me.
However, once she calmed down she was crazy horny, started touching herself in the car and we ended up doing it on
the side of the road. She was terribly confused emotionally and didn't know if she was coming or going.
CptKipling
05-03-2006, 10:16 AM
Good posts guys.
As for
number 2, there is no negative feedback loop. In fact it kinda makes sense that if we were to detect a lot of
pheromones we would produce even more of our own (increased testosterone levels from arousal, etc. etc.).
a.k.a.
05-03-2006, 01:10 PM
1) Isn't the main
effect really on the wearer rather than the target? I get much calmer, worriless, confident and is 'focusing on the
game' when I wear PPA. Combined with decent looks and a friendly personality this seems to give MY brain the edge
it needs for performing seduction. Afterall, as the wearer I'm exposed to a lot more of the none than my target.
Being a skinny built vegetarian I assume I have naturally low testosterone levels.
The main
effect is the chemistry generated between people.
I find that androstenone is some kind of stimulant. A small
dosage tends to be a confidence booster for everybody involved. It makes me feel energetic and alert and it tends to
make women feel sexy and desirable. This is good chemistry. So if I just play it natural, good things tend to
happen. I tend to be more daring and upbeat, which makes women more flirtatious, which makes me more daring ...
which creates a sort of positive feedback loop.
A somewhat higher dosage tends to make me feel cocky and
full of my self, while it tends to make women feel slightly tense yet strangely aroused (that dangerous man
mystique). In some situations (usually when there’s alcohol involved) I can play it natural and good things happen.
In other situations I have to play it cool — tone myself down — otherwise I’ll scare women
away.
2) Won't wearing synthetic pheromones lower your natural pheromone production?
My very limited knowledge in physiology says the human body tends to down-regulate anything when exposed to
unnatural amounts of it.
I don’t know. But it doesn’t seem to be significant. My girlfriend still
enjoys my pit smell and nobody shuns me on days that I don’t wear pheromones.
3) I've
been seducing one of my female friends, and everytime we sit around and talk she is very touchy, always finds a way
to shift the topic to sex and looks into my eyes forever. Of course I encourage it as much as I can. However, when
we talk on the phone she is completely different, irritable and sounds annoyed.
Is this a typical "withdrawal
syndrome" from pheros ? I solve the problem by spending as little time as possible on the phone, but it would be
interesting to know other peoples experiences and possible work-arounds.
I’ve experienced this many
times. Hate to break it to you, but what it most likely means is that your friend isn’t interested in your
personality or the things you have to say. She’s all about the (pheromone enhanced) moments of proximity and is
probably irritated that you’re trying to get some kind of validation out of her when she just wants to sample the
goods.
4) While pheros seem to be working great for me, I really don't want to wear them
all the time or all my life. I hear that if you change your "pheromone signature", girlfriends tend to get upset and
ditch you (and I might have experienced something like this). How can you counteract this? Perhaps I could gradually
lower my none 'dosage' over the course of a year or something?
If a woman wants to ditch you when
you’re not pheromone enhanced it’s a blessing in disguise. An even worse scenario is when she nags and gripes and
gets into all kinds of moods trying to force some satisfaction out of a relationship that basically had nothing more
than pheromones going for it.
The best way to counteract this is to go several days without pheromones
before developing any strong attachments to her.
The important thing to note is that relationships built on
pure instinct don’t really last — whether you use synthetic pheromones or not. If a long term relationships is your
goal, your strategy should be to use pheromones as a means for finding a woman that shares your goals, values and
priorities.
5) I'm only wearing -none at the moment, and this has some negative
impacts on my friendship with other males. Therefore I recently aquired some unscented SOE. Again, there's the
"signature change" problem. How do you guys do when you're experimenting with different mixes?
Signature changes don’t seem to create any problems for me. Sometimes I get a comment like, “You seem different
today.” But nobody shuns me unless I OD or wear a bad mix.
The important thing is to wear pheromones that make
people feel good around you. Whether they feel good because you seem open and trustworthy (SOE); strong, stable and
reliable (chikara); fun, edgy and daring (NPA)... or whatever seems irrelevant to the primary goal of being popular
and well liked.
If none is having negative impacts on your friends, I bet you’re wearing too much. But there
is also the (slim) possibility that none is simply not for you.
6) The old none + nol mix
seemed to be better on certain women, and I wonder if a mix of New Pheromone Additive (NPA) + SOE would be
comparable. Afaik NPA is only androstenone right? And SOE is nol + rone?
NPA + SOE is a good combo,
but I don’t think there’s any way to predict how it will work on a specific woman.
7)
Do you think that phero colognes are really a good idea in the long run, or do they just allow you to "play out of
your league" for a short while?
Pheromones let you play at a deeper level, which tends to broaden
the playing field.
Whether or not they’re a good idea depends on how you play them and what your long term
objectives are.
If you believe that somewhere in this world there is a woman just for you, and if you meet
her everything will click and you’ll live happily ever after... Or if you believe that hard work and talent are all
it takes to be successful... pheromones are a bad idea.
If you believe that life is a competition for
survival and the propagation of your genes, then synthetic pheromones are a godsend.
If your world-view
lies somewhere in between these two extremes, pheromones are a neat little tool. Just practice moderation and don’t
pick up any destructive habits.
9) How do you figure out the most suitable phero combo to
wear, considering your natural phero signature? Pure trial and error seems pretty risky since this is powerful stuff
and you never know when you're going to run into Her.
At the beginning it’s all trial and error
but, as you gain experience, you develop a sense of how these chemicals work. You develop an intuitive grasp of how
to combine things and you’re less likely to create a really bad impression.
Really bad OD’s are part of the
learning process and they’re never the end of the world. There’s always the opportunity to make things better
another day.
Johnny
05-03-2006, 02:11 PM
Hate to break it to
you, but what it most likely means is that your friend isn’t interested in your personality or the things you have
to say.
Wierd. Because she seems to be interested in me, at least when we meet in person, but I guess that
could still be the mones and my seduction skills... We do talk about lots of things and have the same views on many
topics and we fit quite good together; afterall, we were friends for quite some time before I decided to take it one
step further. And it's usually her who's calling me.
Maybe I just suck at phone conversation. I guess when I
meet her in person I have a much more clearly defined goal of making her horny so it's easier to stay calm and
focused and know what to say :)
a.k.a.
05-04-2006, 07:16 AM
Wierd. afterall, we
were friends for quite some time before I decided to take it one step further.
Yes that is weird
and I’ve never had experience turning friends into lovers, so I could be all wrong. But everything else sounds all
too familiar: common interests, calling me up, lots of touching, lots of gazing into my eyes, always turning the
topic to sex ... Then on the phone it’s complete apathy or worse: irritability, impatience, comments like “You sound
weird.”, “Who are you talking to?”, “Are you sick?”...
The way I tested it out is by not wearing pheromones
in their presence. If the woman is less sexual but basically friendly and interested, I figure she basically likes
me and pheromones just turn up the heat. If there seems to be a weird personality reversal I figure she’s just been
showing me her game face.
And it’s not always a clear cut correlation of pheromones = sex, lack of pheromones
= no sex. I’ve been in situations where women will still have sex if I’m not pheromone enhanced but they turn
grumpy, moody, irritable and have no interest in doing any of the non-sexual things I like to do. That’s why I
always try to draw the distinction between game face and genuine interest.
Maybe I just
suck at phone conversation.
It takes two to make a conversation. So this sounds rather unlikely.
What were your phone conversations like before you started using pheros? And does everybody seem to get irritable on
the phone with you, or is it just her?
I’ve noticed that androstenone makes many women feel like I’m
showing sexual interest when I’m just trying to be friendly. So another possibility might be that your friend is
reading all kinds of sexuall signals in your face-to-face converseations. Then she gets frustrated when these
signals don't show up in your phone conversations.
Either way... The discrepancy between phone and
personal conversation seems like a pretty sure sign that the main effect of pheromones isn’t on the wearer.
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