View Full Version : Do pheromones (any) work for 21 of age?
civic-siR
04-28-2006, 06:37 PM
I'm getting the impression that pheromones don't work for younger adults. I'm 21 of age and i tried
almost everything, SOE, TE, NPA, PI, AE, gel packs (both /m /w) and recently tried Pherlure just to juice it up. (I
am however waiting for my WAGG in the mail).
But seriously i haven't seen any results, maybe it might be my
ignorance, but reading other threads makes me wonder if it is suitable for my age. Thanks.
Sigma
04-28-2006, 07:50 PM
I started using mones when I was
twenty. I've had enough success to warrant my using them for the past two years (do the math, I'm a year older
than you). Many of the posters here are..."more seasoned" than we, but there are quite a few younger guys around
here as well.
It did take me quite a while to see results though. Pheromone use is something that really has to
be nuanced. and it really does get better with experience. Keep varying your applications until you find something
that works. Once you get a solid idea of how much none, nol, rone etc etc works best for you, things get much
easier.
How much PI and NPA were you using? Younger guys should tone down on none, though I, being asian,
usually wear more.
Gegogi
04-29-2006, 01:53 AM
Older folk need pheromone
replacement therapy because their natural production is tapering off. Youngin's are natural 'mone factories. Hell
ah gits hard juz sniffin' doz college coeds. Dey git so muc copulins.
Cool, you guys have pheromone replacement
therapy, Viagra and Rogaine to look forward to during your golden years...
civic-siR
04-29-2006, 08:25 AM
No, it's just that when i was
researching pheromones on the web i keep getting struck by this statement:
" If you mostly want to affect women 30 or over, start with 1 spray"
mm.. What if
you want to attract 21 or less :( I'm not into milf (Well some are hot hah)
Gegogi
04-29-2006, 11:00 AM
Young women and girls are often
frightened, intimidated or at least made uncomfortable by many 'mone products, especially those with high 'none
content. So, they'll often flee or clam up. On the other hand women--especially sexually secure and experienced
ones--tend to become outwardly expressive about their desires and often downright aggressive when exposed to
'mones, especially those with high 'none content. The cut-off age varies but typically somewhere between 25-30
they go from girlie behavior to womanly. I have met a few women in their early 20s that went nuts when I was soaked
in NPA, but it's rare.
It's fine for me as I want to avoid women that still live with their mother and
father!
CptKipling
04-29-2006, 01:35 PM
I have never had any
problems.
Sigma
04-29-2006, 02:11 PM
My main targets are in the 20-25
age group and I've had plenty of success with women around that age. I agree that none products can create too much
tension at times though. I used to think that women getting fidgety, uncomfortable, tense etc was a good sign, but
it tends to make them guarded and insecure. I think women respond best to none when they're fully comfortable with
being attracted to you...otherwise its just awkward sometimes. That's why I'm focusing on mixes that don't
contain any none for now (unless I'm out at a club or what not). We'll see how it goes.
markosans
04-29-2006, 07:38 PM
well, i might be one of the
youngest here on the forums, im a junior in high school. I havent used any none only products yet, ive just been
trying chikara and SoE. My confidence gets boosted with both and i see very minor lesser hits (slight stares,
+random conversations, and the like at that level). I am wondering though if getting some A1 and possibly beta-nol
will be good for this age group.
Does anyone think this is a good idea for my age group?
Sigma
04-29-2006, 08:41 PM
well, i might be
one of the youngest here on the forums, im a junior in high school. I havent used any none only products yet, ive
just been trying chikara and SoE. My confidence gets boosted with both and i see very minor lesser hits (slight
stares, +random conversations, and the like at that level). I am wondering though if getting some A1 and possibly
beta-nol will be good for this age group.
Does anyone think this is a good idea for my age group?
It
depends on what you're going for. Beta nol and A1 are very mellow, comfortable mones. This might be appropriate for
some, might not be for others. Back when I was in High School, attraction and relationships were more free spirited
than now. I think A1 and beta nol benefit me more now than they would have back then, but they might be of some
benefit to you.
Beta nol is very much a social mone, but is very different fron alpha nol. Unlike alpha nol,
which is more up-beat, fun, and sometimes goofy, beta nol is more relaxed, serious, penetrating, and intimate. Beta
nol also very quickly lowers social barriers between people, particularly people who have just met. I've had
instances where I introduced people to each other while wearing bnol, and they start getting along like fast
friends. Its kind of eerie.
A1 illicits a feeling of comfort in women when they're around you. They're
generally more receptive of you and your advances, and women open up more intimately with you. In my experiences,
women are more apt to flirting when I wear A1. If a woman is genuinely attracted to you while feeling comfortable
around you, she'll be less inhibited, and attraction tends to build quicker.
The downside to A1 are the
negative side effects they have on men. Depression, laziness, spaciness, etc. Estratetraenol has solved that problem
for me however.
Hypothetically, Beta nol and A1 should create the ultimate intimate vibe with women, though I
don't have much experience mixing the two just yet.
markosans
04-30-2006, 10:15 AM
hey are there any cheaper
alternatives to counter the negative effects of A1? The bottle is $79.95 as a chem set.
Gegogi
04-30-2006, 11:27 AM
Men's Realm is $19.95 at Ross.
Sigma
04-30-2006, 12:06 PM
hey are there any
cheaper alternatives to counter the negative effects of A1? The bottle is $79.95 as a chem set.
There's
an option to get A1 at half strength at 49.95. It'l last you quite a while too
oops. I didn't read the threat
thoroughly. Like geoggi said, you could pick up a bottle of men's realm. The amount of EST in realm is very
minute though, and the effects are far more pronounced with straight EST.
chromeboy
05-22-2006, 08:35 AM
Beta nol is
very much a social mone, but is very different fron alpha nol. Unlike alpha nol, which is more up-beat, fun, and
sometimes goofy, beta nol is more relaxed, serious, penetrating, and intimate. Beta nol also very quickly lowers
social barriers between people, particularly people who have just met. I've had instances where I introduced people
to each other while wearing bnol, and they start getting along like fast friends. Its kind of eerie.
A1 illicits
a feeling of comfort in women when they're around you. They're generally more receptive of you and your advances,
and women open up more intimately with you. In my experiences, women are more apt to flirting when I wear A1. If a
woman is genuinely attracted to you while feeling comfortable around you, she'll be less inhibited, and attraction
tends to build quicker.
The downside to A1 are the negative side effects they have on men. Depression, laziness,
spaciness, etc. Estratetraenol has solved that problem for me however.
Hypothetically, Beta nol and A1 should
create the ultimate intimate vibe with women, though I don't have much experience mixing the two just
yet.
That is pretty much what I expect from mones. I am 23 and thus, go for younger girls. I really need
social hits more than sexual ones and I am a bit wary of -none products.
Is there any good and accurate "social
mones" thread that anybody can suggest? When I search as "social mones" I get tons of hits, which is of very little
use. :sad:
Sigma
05-22-2006, 09:10 AM
That is pretty
much what I expect from mones. I am 23 and thus, go for younger girls. I really need social hits more than sexual
ones and I am a bit wary of -none products.
Is there any good and accurate "social mones" thread that anybody
can suggest? When I search as "social mones" I get tons of hits, which is of very little use. :sad:
Younger girls respond well to alpha nol. Its a real light-hearted, fun, and chatty type of pheromone, so women
younger women really tend to open up under the influence of alpha nol. SOE is made up of primarily alpha nol if
you're interested in trying that out.
Beta nol is a pheromone that makes people fast friends. People take a
liking to you seemingly right away, and will treat you like an old friend even after having just met them. It opens
people up in a more intimate fashion than alpha nol, and there have been reports of beta nol acting like a bit of a
truth serum - people will say things that they normally wouldn't. As far as I know, there aren't any products
offered here that use beta nol as its primary ingredient, but chemset beta nol is available for purchase.
Again
A1 is a very good social mone when it comes to women. Erox holds a patent for A1 in fragrances, so no products that
I know of contain A1 as its primary ingredient. Realm for women contains minute amounts of A1, and LS offers
chemset A1.
EST (estratetraenol) is another good choice as well. Its a highly mood elevating pheromone, creating
sensations of relaxation and well being. It creates a highly energetic, uplifted mood initially, which fades down
to a more relaxed, easy-going feeling. It lowers social barriers between people, and reduces feelings of tension
and anxiety. I've noticed that EST creates a sort of magnetism. People enjoy being around you and want to be
around you. I would describe it as a non-sexual sense of 'attraction'. Erox holds a patent for EST as well.
Realm for men contains minute amounts of EST, and chemset EST is available at the LS store.
WAGG is another
popular social mone that a lot of people here enjoy. It tends to soften my image a little too much, and I recently
got rid of the bottle. WAGG stands for "What-A-Great-Guy" and the name is appropriate I think. It can give you
more of a "nice-guy" image. I can't give you much feedback on it since I hardly ever used it (negative effects
were waaay too damaging for me), but a search should bring up some results.
Hope this helps!
luxveritas
05-22-2006, 10:00 AM
I think one way to figure out
what pheromones really do is to feel their effects yourself. This forum is a great resource; full of information and
experience. These people have gained their experience with time and experimentation.
I haven't been a user
nearly as long as some of the other members on this board but it would seem that some of the info presented from
experience may be the result of autosuggestion. If one person says that pheromone "X" causes women to flip their
hair more frequently then other members start to notice the same thing whether or not it has to do with the products
effects. Having a prejudice against one or another product based on third party non-scientific information may not
be the wisest decision.
I have recently discovered from my own experiments that it seems pheromones lose a
majority of their potency after 3-4 hours. So certain interactions I was attributing to pheromones probably had very
little to do with them.
Perhaps try them out when you are just chilling in your apartment to see if you feel
any different. If you are wearing pheromones then perhaps they should be affecting you more strongly than your
target. I didn't feel any physical differences until I started using mega-doses of pheromones. I am not
recommending going out smelling like a skunk but try a bit of experimentation.
belgareth
05-22-2006, 10:38 AM
I haven't
been a user nearly as long as some of the other members on this board but it would seem that some of the info
presented from experience may be the result of autosuggestion. If one person says that pheromone "X" causes women to
flip their hair more frequently then other members start to notice the same thing whether or not it has to do with
the products effects. Having a prejudice against one or another product based on third party non-scientific
information may not be the wisest decision.
Excellent! You are right, in my opinion. I see a lot of posts
here both from people seeing the most amazing results and from others expecting the same results. There is at least
one popular product out there right now that I have never had any results from yet I see others make fantastic
claims about. Any results we see could be suggestion or desire to get results and the more outrageous the result the
more likely to be the effect of wishful thinking.
Friendly, Gegogi and several other very experienced users
keep telling us that mones are a small part of the equation and tell us to look at our behavoir and appearance for
the rest. Pay attention to what they are saying and test products over a period of time to learn what they really
do. Don't take anybody's word for it.
chromeboy
05-22-2006, 03:34 PM
If one person says that
pheromone "X" causes women to flip their hair more frequently then other members start to notice the same thing
whether or not it has to do with the products effects.
Yes I noticed that in the hit reports. That is
the main reason why (I think) one has to be very methodological and scientific in testing phermones.
That said,
with all those "new", "secret" and "unknown" ingredients in the newer phermones, user reviews become more and more
important since very few people are aware of how these extra ingredients interact with -none, -nol or -rone and data
you get from testing phermone effects becomes even more fuzzy.
In fact Sigma's post was valuabe for me. I know
that these results might vary significantly depending on the user, but then again, what he points out is a new area
of reading for me. After all, at this point, I do want social/relaxed hits, rather than sexual hits, since
likelihood of acting on a sexual impulse depends largely on a girl's personality and confidence.
That is why, I
think social hits are better indicators of phermone effectives for the age group I am interested in ( < 25 years),
but I may be wrong. :blink:
bronzie
05-22-2006, 03:44 PM
BELG,
just a quick
temporary diversion from the topic, I like your quote! signature!, is it yours or from another source? sounds like
something you would hear in the lord of the rings film!
belgareth
05-22-2006, 03:50 PM
BELG,
just
a quick temporary diversion from the topic, I like your quote! signature!, is it yours or from another source?
sounds like something you would hear in the lord of the rings film!
Bronzie:
Comes from a philosophy
I've practiced for some time. PM me if you want a better answer. :) Be happy to discuss it but you are right that
this is the wrong place.
I disagree with you on the value of personal results. They are far to subjective to be
of any real value.
Netghost56
05-23-2006, 08:48 PM
It's those crazy stories
that those veterans post about women jumping them in public that has noobies foaming in the mouth! :rofl:
I for
one keep hoping for a reaction like that one day.
I'm back in the game now, having gotten a job last week at a
supermarket. So far I've gotten friendly with many of the girl cashiers (though so far none of them have been
single), and I've been trying all my old gel packs. Nothing out of the ordinary. The girls are real friendly to
begin with, plus I've got alot more confidence now than I've ever had, and I'm no longer shy like I used to
be.
I'm going to continue to "experiment" for awhile, when I get some money I think I shall buy a bottle of SOE,
since at 24 I'm the old guy at work! :rasp:
crayons
05-23-2006, 10:22 PM
i say its sort like steriods in
pro sports. You cant just take steriods and expect to be a pro ball player, your only gonna have an advantage over
other players your own skill. But if you get a better player "no pun indended, lol" you still gonna have that upper
edge over other in the new skill bracket.
belgareth
05-24-2006, 04:58 AM
It's those
crazy stories that those veterans post about women jumping them in public that has noobies foaming in the mouth!
:rofl:
I for one keep hoping for a reaction like that one day.
I'm back in the game now, having gotten a
job last week at a supermarket. So far I've gotten friendly with many of the girl cashiers (though so far none of
them have been single), and I've been trying all my old gel packs. Nothing out of the ordinary. The girls are real
friendly to begin with, plus I've got alot more confidence now than I've ever had, and I'm no longer shy like I
used to be.
I'm going to continue to "experiment" for awhile, when I get some money I think I shall buy a
bottle of SOE, since at 24 I'm the old guy at work! :rasp:
Hey Netghost,
That's great news,
congratulations. The SoE is probably a good idea. Let us know how things work out ofr you.
chromeboy
05-24-2006, 11:50 AM
I
disagree with you on the value of personal results. They are far to subjective to be of any real value.
Something odd happened today. I wasnt wearing mones (since I didnt purchase any yet :) ), was in a quite depressed
mood (was on 1 hour sleep) and I think I got what is referred as "social hit". Theres this girl I like in the class
and we never met before whatsoever. And after the exam, me and 15 other people from the class went on to drink
something, where this girl approached over, introduced herself and we started to have a nice chat. She seemed
interested, but the fact that we have been in the same class for the past year, this was quite extraordinary.
Now I imagine that if this happened while I had some mones on me, I would automatically relate it to mones and
"social hit" and try to tailor up the exact dosage to create the same social effect.
But as I said, social
interaction is very difficult to measure or experimentally control (others' part), since certain social behavior
take part without necessarily any purpose or without any impulse to act on.
This makes testing mones all the
more difficult and scares me honestly. I wonder how am I going to measure the effects correctly when I use them.
:POKE:
Sigma
05-24-2006, 01:33 PM
Something odd
happened today. I wasnt wearing mones (since I didnt purchase any yet :) ), was in a quite depressed mood (was on 1
hour sleep) and I think I got what is referred as "social hit". Theres this girl I like in the class and we never
met before whatsoever. And after the exam, me and 15 other people from the class went on to drink something, where
this girl approached over, introduced herself and we started to have a nice chat. She seemed interested, but the
fact that we have been in the same class for the past year, this was quite extraordinary.
Now I imagine that if
this happened while I had some mones on me, I would automatically relate it to mones and "social hit" and try to
tailor up the exact dosage to create the same social effect.
But as I said, social interaction is very difficult
to measure or experimentally control (others' part), since certain social behavior take part without necessarily
any purpose or without any impulse to act on.
This makes testing mones all the more difficult and scares me
honestly. I wonder how am I going to measure the effects correctly when I use them. :POKE:
It is
admittedly a challenge whether or not to attribute certain events to the presence of pheromones. Repeated testing
of a certain product is the best way to really understand how a product works. Thats why I usually say it takes me
a good 2 weeks for me to really understand a product. If you can see consistent effects while wearing a particular
product, you can attribute those attributes to the product, and really build an understanding of its benefits. Once
you build that undrestanding, pheromone use becomes less experimental, and more intuitive. You know what kind of
image you want to project, and you know exactly what to use to "paint" that image....an image that is a product of
pheromones, the way you carry yourself, and they way you dress/look/present yourself
belgareth
05-24-2006, 04:04 PM
Something odd
happened today. I wasnt wearing mones (since I didnt purchase any yet :) ), was in a quite depressed mood (was on 1
hour sleep) and I think I got what is referred as "social hit". Theres this girl I like in the class and we never
met before whatsoever. And after the exam, me and 15 other people from the class went on to drink something, where
this girl approached over, introduced herself and we started to have a nice chat. She seemed interested, but the
fact that we have been in the same class for the past year, this was quite extraordinary.
Now I imagine that if
this happened while I had some mones on me, I would automatically relate it to mones and "social hit" and try to
tailor up the exact dosage to create the same social effect.
But as I said, social interaction is very difficult
to measure or experimentally control (others' part), since certain social behavior take part without necessarily
any purpose or without any impulse to act on.
This makes testing mones all the more difficult and scares me
honestly. I wonder how am I going to measure the effects correctly when I use them. :POKE:
You make my
point well. :box:
It took me a long ime to really accept that mones could be the cause of things I saw for a
couple reasons. First is that I'm a dyed in the wool sceptic about everything. It comes from my science/engineering
background.
The second is that I'm older and have had a lot of remarkable things happen without (synthetic)
mones. To tell the truth, there have only been a very few times in my life I didn't have an attractive woman
keeping me company and mones were an effort to save a failing marraige. They don't work for that, if your
interested.
chromeboy
05-25-2006, 04:32 AM
To tell the
truth, there have only been a very few times in my life I didn't have an attractive woman keeping me company and
mones were an effort to save a failing marraige. They don't work for that, if your interested.
Thats
really interesting. Then what sort of a process did you go through, which, in the end made you believe the extent to
which phermones work? It should have taken a lot of time and patience. One year? Two years?
belgareth
05-25-2006, 04:51 AM
I started off with a single
product, SoE. My business was just starting at the time and I was doing all of the field work myself which put me in
offices and around women daily. The first week I wore about 4", the next I wore 8", the next week I wore 12" and so
on. Since I had been working around these women for several months already I could calibrate it against what I knew
of their normal attitudes. I rated percieved differences on a 1-10 scale using a spreadsheet to track results. After
about 5 weeks of SoE I moved to TE and did the same thing.
There is a lot of potential for misinterpretation and
it is all very subjective. However, results were consistant enough over a period of several months to tentatively
convince me that something was happening. I was also spending some time studying here and elsewhere to get a handle
on the science behind pheromones.
My ex wife did show an increased interest in me but I realized what it was
and there were a lot of other issues that mones couldn't fix.
chromeboy
05-26-2006, 10:13 AM
which put me
in offices and around women daily. .
That is a great way of doing controlled experimentation. Its really
unfortunate that I dont have daily contact with the same girls, but its rather a matter of chance. I am really
skeptical to the extent phermones can be "tested" in that regard in shopping malls, clubs etc, since the female
population always changes. :think:
civic-siR
05-26-2006, 02:56 PM
Honestly even if you know the
woman well, how would you kno the pheromones is actually working.
Say if the woman gets off on the wrong side of
the bed, and she's pissed (Maybe her family pissed her off or friends/work). And that is the same day your wearing
NONE product --> What makes you sure that it's the NONE that was making her angry or her pissed off day.
Unless
if all the woman out of nowhere starts talking to u, flirting with you (Which they never do EVER) then you can right
away point it to the pheromones. But then again it can be something like they found a secret "nice/sexy" thing about
you... lol it can go on and on.
belgareth
05-26-2006, 03:23 PM
You are, of course, right. You
can't be absolutely certain of any single occurance. That's a big part of why I don't often tell about hits.
It's also part of why I tell people to read all posts with some degree of scepticism.
What you are really
looking for are patterns. Do more women react favorably when wearing a certain compound than when not. I couldn't
keep mental track of trends like that effectively so I created a simple spreadsheet. It allows me to quantify
somethig complex and somewhat erratic.
Gegogi
05-26-2006, 04:22 PM
I don't think pheromomes have
increased my "hits" one iota. In other words, people that were not attracted to me earlier are not suddenly
attracted once I don SOE or NPA. What pheromones have done for me is inflate my persona a bit and thereby enhance or
amp up social and sexual reactions. Things are a little more obvious, open and accelerated. That, in turn, has made
me a little bolder. But nothing happens that wasn't meant to happen anyway.
bronzie
05-26-2006, 04:38 PM
I don't think
pheromomes have increased my "hits" one iota. In other words, people that were not attracted to me earlier are not
suddenly attracted once I don SOE or NPA. What pheromones have done for me is inflate my persona a bit and thereby
enhance or amp up social and sexual reactions. Things are a little more obvious, open and accelerated. That, in
turn, has made me a little bolder. But nothing happens that wasn't meant to happen anyway.
Your
saying pheromones give you a sense of confidence, and they do not achieve what they were designed for, attraction
via smell on a moleculer level.
Guess we all have different behavioural outcomes when wearing pheromones. I
personally wear them and forget I wear them, I do not act differently or my confidence levels rise, because I have
naturally high confidence anyway, but wear them for fun, sometimes just to see a womans reaction from something that
was made in a Lab!
If someone is using pheromones as a placebo effect you might as well take some water pour
it over you, bless it confidence water and not waste your money on expensive pheromones.
Netghost56
05-26-2006, 04:45 PM
Frustrating, ain't it?? :D
luxveritas
05-26-2006, 06:51 PM
Pheromones don't make you
more attractive. They just help a woman see you as a man instead of a person. They also seem to make people nervous.
If a girl is nervous when meeting you, even if you are less attractive they probably wonder why you make them
nervous.
Gegogi
05-26-2006, 08:13 PM
Sheesh, Bronzie you're trying amazingly hard to read something into my post that isn't there. In fact
you appear to be hallucinating prose in a bad way. I did not write the word "confidence" one time. Zippo. I've
always been a confident person and have spent most of my life on stage and speaking before large groups. Confidence
goes with the territory. Pheromones don't make me more confident. In fact, I usually forget I'm wearing them in my
daily grind. I wear pheromones to effect change in those around me.
What I clearly articulated was pheromones
enhance my public image or outward personality, i.e., persona. If you'd read a little more carefully you might get
it one of these days. Pheromones help me appear a little bigger than life to those around me. This, in turn, will
"enhance or amp up social and sexual reactions" from those around me. In other words, reactions to me "are a little
more obvious, open and accelerated." When you know beyond a doubt someone is receptive, you can be direct.
I
firmly believe they are reacting to my charm and charisma, enhanced though in may be. Furthermore, no amount of
pheromones will overcome a lack of social grace, an unpleasant appearance or lack of status. A loser is still a
loser and a gallon of SOE won't a stunning man make.
chromeboy
05-27-2006, 11:42 AM
I think the majority of people
are interested in phermones hoping that it will "make" people interested in them. Honestly, that was what I though
at the beginning.
Although it may not be the case, from what I have read here in this forum phermones "can" help
social contacts to happen. That is to say, I do believe that phermones have the potential to start a conversation
that would otherwise wouldn't, or make people more expressive of their feelings that wouldn't happen otherwise
either.
From that perspective, from what I have read so far, I have derived the conclusion that phermones do not
make people attracted to you etc., but "open up" people, so that they can express their feeling in the direction you
wish.
But there are also "hit" reports which state that there have been an instantaneous attraction (DIHL,
flirting behavior), which confuses me to understand what to look for as a "hit".
Some say phermone effects are
very subtle and phermones do not make you somebody else, whereas some others say they can see the difference within
minutes of meeting a girl.
That of course depends a lot of what you wear (nol, none, rone), how well you know
the girl, the setting (bar, club, supmermarket), what you wear, how you look etc..
I think the critical issue
remains "what to look for" when assessing phermone effectiveness. For example can phermones be effectively tested in
a gym environment? Assume you dont know any of the girls there and want to test your pheros. Can you do it without
talking to them? Or do you have to talk for a long time to understand the effects?
I hope I am asking the right
questions. :blink:
WorkingMann
05-27-2006, 12:18 PM
I've tried
Nexus
pheromones (with cologne) and it doesn't do shit!! Besides it smells very powerfull :(
NPA: I've used these but
seen no results at all..!
Date-Mate 2000: Very nasty Pheromone smell, and doesn't work either..
Muscle4Hire
05-27-2006, 04:09 PM
Well, I think this has been
one of the most important threads ever posted on the forums here... what we are actually talking about here is the
philosophy or way of thinking about pheromone usage. I've read a couple great quotes:
"I think the majority of
people are interested in phermones hoping that it will "make" people interested in them." (chromeboy)
"no amount
of pheromones will overcome a lack of social grace, an unpleasant appearance or lack of status." (Gegogi)
"Once
you build that undrestanding, pheromone use becomes less experimental, and more intuitive. You know what kind of
image you want to project, and you know exactly what to use to "paint" that image." (Sigma)
Basically, you have
to have your self confidence secured and yourself in order... its just like getting drunk or doing drugs to cover up
problems... its not going to work out.
This thread really made me reflect... I have a hard time trusting people
and I tend to be antisocial so my social skills could use some tweaking. I've noticed that when I used pheromones
in a bad attitude or expecting them to do all the work and just pick up some chick, I got the worst results. When I
used them in a great mood and just used them for the scent, I had great results becacuse I felt less self-conscious
and was more down to earth.
I really think we could add a lot to this thread... Hopefully it will become a
sticky.
Sigma
05-27-2006, 06:52 PM
These outrageous, blatant sexual
hits do happen, but its something that, realistically, happens once in a blue moon. Problem is that people are more
likely to post the really blatant hits, rather than the subtle everyday ones...in that sense the forum kind of
misrpresents how often these types of things happen. The everyday benefits of mones are, again, real subtle, and
usually not worth posting about. But in the event that an opportunity for a good hit does arise, pheromones give
you a significant leg up. Its still up to you, as a man, to take or create those opportunities though. Just as the
clothes don't make the man, neither do the pheromones. Pheromones, like clothing, will only ENHANCE your image and
your actions. Remember that.
When you start thinking in those terms, the effects of the pheromones really does
get ambiguous. You start wondering if a hit was a more a result of you, or the pheromones. Its really a product of
both.
I think a lot of new posters show up high on axe commercials and expect to see these kinds of responses to
mones. They slap on complicated mixes that are really high on none without really understanding how pheromones work
for them and wonder why they aren't getting hits. They overlook the social, communicative aspect of human
attraction. They overlook the social benefits of pheromones. They overlook the importance of social pheromones
altogether, which more consistently generate hits.
So the question is then..."how do you know if pheromones are
working or not?" Thats just the same as asking "how do I know if a woman is really attracted to me or not?" Its a
really difficult question to answer....there are countless books on this topic, and the discussions could go on
forever.
I will say though, that most hits are very subtle, because women operate in subtleties, much unlike
men, who are very direct. Most men overlook the subtle advances women make on men, and most men will overlook the
subtle advantages that pheromones create. Unless you build a firm understanding of not only pheromones, but human
attraction, pheromone use becomes a game of luck...you slap on mones and hope for really obvious results. I do
believe that pheromones have a profound effect on a molecular level, but they are a complement to your overall image
and your actions....not a replacement. Even if you build a good understanding of nonverbal communication, and have
a firm grip on the nuances of pheromone use, its still up to you, as a man, to take things further. Otherwise all
you have is a bunch of nonverbal fluff thats fun to brag about, but doesn't really get you anywhere (to quote
myself from another thread).
Lastly, in order for pheromones to really work, they need to have some congruency
with your appearance, the way you carry yourself, and the context of the environment in which they'll be worn.
Always be mindful of these things when you wear pheromones. Learn what affects different pheromones have ON YOU,
not just what people say on the forum. Learn to pick the pheromones that suit your personality and your situation
best, and be mindful of how you present yourself while wearing mones (this includes how you dress and groom
yourself). Stop and think if the pheromones you're using are appropriate in the environment they're going to be
used in. It isn't a good idea to walk around hopped up on none everyday.
Holmes
05-27-2006, 07:34 PM
I don't think
pheromomes have increased my "hits" one iota. In other words, people that were not attracted to me earlier are not
suddenly attracted once I don SOE or NPA. What pheromones have done for me is inflate my persona a bit and thereby
enhance or amp up social and sexual reactions. Things are a little more obvious, open and accelerated. That, in
turn, has made me a little bolder. But nothing happens that wasn't meant to happen anyway.
Great
post. Excellent description of what pheromones really do, which is to magnify pre-existing positives. They won't
polish a turd.
chromeboy
05-29-2006, 04:24 PM
So is it difficult (if not
impossible) to test phermones without talking? Would any girl notice the phermone if you are sitting next to her in
the library or working out in the gym?
Gegogi
05-29-2006, 05:04 PM
Sprinkle the right pheromones on
an inanimate object, and insects are drawn involuntarily. However, humans are more complex than insects and lower
mammals. In the same situation a woman may sense the 'mones but her brain recognizes it is not an attractive male
and directs her to standdown. She also recognizes corpses, losers and wallflowers. Unless you're into moths or
small mammals, you need to employ the total package or 'mones won't do jack.
MOBLEYC57
05-29-2006, 05:13 PM
So is it
difficult (if not impossible) to test phermones without talking? Would any girl notice the phermone if you are
sitting next to her in the library or working out in the gym?
:type: YES. Not that
she'll/they'll jump on you and hump you silly, but she/they will let you know by their actions/sudden need to talk
to you, that your mone signature has been picked up on their radar. What happens after that is TOTALLY up to you.
chromeboy
05-29-2006, 05:20 PM
they will let
you know by their actions/sudden need to talk to you, that your mone signature has been picked up on their
radar
May I take more confirmation on that from other experienced users? This phrase is quite
important.
Muscle4Hire
05-29-2006, 06:05 PM
May I take
more confirmation on that from other experienced users? This phrase is quite important.
I can atest to
this. When I start a new product, I will go up to a woman and just sit next to her... I won't talk to her or even
acknowledge her... within about 30 seconds, I notice her kinda pick up on something, almost like she recognizes you
from somewhere and is trying to shoot glances at you. I've had great success with the SOE gel packs this way. This
is how I know that the product works because she will be very focused on what shes doing (studying, talking to
somebody else) and then just turn around and start looking at you up and down. I've had two ladies on an escalator
stop their conversation to look at me like WTF?
chromeboy
05-29-2006, 06:53 PM
I can atest
to this. When I start a new product, I will go up to a woman and just sit next to her... I won't talk to her or
even acknowledge her... within about 30 seconds, I notice her kinda pick up on something, almost like she recognizes
you from somewhere and is trying to shoot glances at you. I've had great success with the SOE gel packs this way.
This is how I know that the product works because she will be very focused on what shes doing (studying, talking to
somebody else) and then just turn around and start looking at you up and down. I've had two ladies on an escalator
stop their conversation to look at me like WTF?
:box: If anybody disagrees s/he should really enter the
scene now.
Netghost56
05-29-2006, 10:02 PM
Can't say I've had that
kind of response from SOE gels.
Plus I've never had a reaction from just sitting next to a girl.
luxveritas
05-30-2006, 07:12 AM
hopefully they aren't
staring because they wonder WTF smells so bad :) Or maybe they are staring because you are in their business :) That
aside I have found that if you work yourself into proximity of a girl getting started is much easier. It does help
if they notice you first.
chromeboy
05-30-2006, 08:44 AM
So are such responses
personal, rather than general?
chromeboy
05-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Or would different types of
phermones elicit the same reaction from women?
Gegogi
05-30-2006, 06:34 PM
Hey chrome, you're trying to get
a simplistic answer and there just ain't none. NPA used by a skillful, handsome and confident man may cause
poon-tang rain down from the ceiling on him. Another less capable and talented man may cause women, children and
pets to flee just before all the alpha wantabes in the area kick the shit outta him. 'Mones always invoke a
biological reaction at some level. However the direction and outcome of that reaction is irrevocably tied to your
unique combination of social skills, appearance, status and body chemsitry.
Basically a skillfully applied
pheromone dose will compliment your assets and make you a little bigger than life. So you gotta experiment and find
the right combo and dose for you. However, like Holmes wrote, 'mones can't polish a turd.
chromeboy
05-30-2006, 07:01 PM
Sure. I was trying to get
people's opinions on
"
they will let you know by their actions/sudden need to talk to you, that your mone
signature has been picked up on their radar"
Most of us newbs do not know what to look for, and again,
most of us get absolutely no reaction at all. My pursuit of non-communicated responses here, should not be regarded
as search for easy answers. I want to understand if such responses (from people whom you are not talking with) are
common or not.
In other words, I just want to know if experienced users are ok with the quotation above.
belgareth
05-30-2006, 07:49 PM
There have been some great
posts in the past about body language. It seems to me that some of the best were by Friendlly1 but I may be
mistaken. I did do a search for body language posts by him and had them listed in reverse cronological order. There
is some really good stuff there you should go back and read. As a matter of fact, I'd suggest it to all the new
members and as a refresher for most of us older ones too.
civic-siR
05-30-2006, 09:38 PM
^ link? :p
belgareth
05-31-2006, 04:01 AM
Do a search for yourself. I
gave you all the parameters. There are a lot of seperate posts and I'm not going to provide links for them all.
WorkingMann
05-31-2006, 07:38 AM
:box: If
anybody disagrees s/he should really enter the scene now.
I've used NPA in a movie-theatre with 2 girls
sitting next to me I didn't know..
Both of them didn't notice anuthing about me, besides the one looked at me
like "What the hell are you looking at your DORK?!".
And my x I've tried to sit with in my car, and asked her to
smell this new cologne I was using.. It was NPA with coversmell and all she said was "it smells like you" and
smiled..
And we sat there for 20 minutes and she did NOTHING at all showing she wanted anything..
I know she wants
me back, she has told me, but even though I did have NPA on it didn't made her need to be with me any stronger..
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