Do pheromones (any) work for 21 of age?

[civic-siR]

I'm getting the impression that pheromones don't work for younger adults. I'm 21 of age and i tried

almost everything, SOE, TE, NPA, PI, AE, gel packs (both /m /w) and recently tried Pherlure just to juice it up. (I

am however waiting for my WAGG in the mail).

But seriously i haven't seen any results, maybe it might be my

ignorance, but reading other threads makes me wonder if it is suitable for my age. Thanks.

[Sigma]

I started using mones when I was

twenty. I've had enough success to warrant my using them for the past two years (do the math, I'm a year older

than you). Many of the posters here are..."more seasoned" than we, but there are quite a few younger guys around

here as well.

It did take me quite a while to see results though. Pheromone use is something that really has to

be nuanced. and it really does get better with experience. Keep varying your applications until you find something

that works. Once you get a solid idea of how much none, nol, rone etc etc works best for you, things get much

easier.

How much PI and NPA were you using? Younger guys should tone down on none, though I, being asian,

usually wear more.

[Gegogi]

Older folk need pheromone

replacement therapy because their natural production is tapering off. Youngin's are natural 'mone factories. Hell

ah gits hard juz sniffin' doz college coeds. Dey git so muc copulins.

Cool, you guys have pheromone replacement

therapy, Viagra and Rogaine to look forward to during your golden years...

[civic-siR]

No, it's just that when i was

researching pheromones on the web i keep getting struck by this statement:

" If you mostly want to affect women 30 or over, start with 1 spray"

mm.. What if

you want to attract 21 or less :( I'm not into milf (Well some are hot hah)

[Gegogi]

Young women and girls are often

frightened, intimidated or at least made uncomfortable by many 'mone products, especially those with high 'none

content. So, they'll often flee or clam up. On the other hand women--especially sexually secure and experienced

ones--tend to become outwardly expressive about their desires and often downright aggressive when exposed to

'mones, especially those with high 'none content. The cut-off age varies but typically somewhere between 25-30

they go from girlie behavior to womanly. I have met a few women in their early 20s that went nuts when I was soaked

in NPA, but it's rare.

It's fine for me as I want to avoid women that still live with their mother and

father!

[CptKipling]

I have never had any

problems.

[Sigma]

My main targets are in the 20-25

age group and I've had plenty of success with women around that age. I agree that none products can create too much

tension at times though. I used to think that women getting fidgety, uncomfortable, tense etc was a good sign, but

it tends to make them guarded and insecure. I think women respond best to none when they're fully comfortable with

being attracted to you...otherwise its just awkward sometimes. That's why I'm focusing on mixes that don't

contain any none for now (unless I'm out at a club or what not). We'll see how it goes.

[markosans]

well, i might be one of the

youngest here on the forums, im a junior in high school. I havent used any none only products yet, ive just been

trying chikara and SoE. My confidence gets boosted with both and i see very minor lesser hits (slight stares,

+random conversations, and the like at that level). I am wondering though if getting some A1 and possibly beta-nol

will be good for this age group.
Does anyone think this is a good idea for my age group?

[Sigma]

well, i might be

one of the youngest here on the forums, im a junior in high school. I havent used any none only products yet, ive

just been trying chikara and SoE. My confidence gets boosted with both and i see very minor lesser hits (slight

stares, +random conversations, and the like at that level). I am wondering though if getting some A1 and possibly

beta-nol will be good for this age group.
Does anyone think this is a good idea for my age group?

It

depends on what you're going for. Beta nol and A1 are very mellow, comfortable mones. This might be appropriate for

some, might not be for others. Back when I was in High School, attraction and relationships were more free spirited

than now. I think A1 and beta nol benefit me more now than they would have back then, but they might be of some

benefit to you.

Beta nol is very much a social mone, but is very different fron alpha nol. Unlike alpha nol,

which is more up-beat, fun, and sometimes goofy, beta nol is more relaxed, serious, penetrating, and intimate. Beta

nol also very quickly lowers social barriers between people, particularly people who have just met. I've had

instances where I introduced people to each other while wearing bnol, and they start getting along like fast

friends. Its kind of eerie.

A1 illicits a feeling of comfort in women when they're around you. They're

generally more receptive of you and your advances, and women open up more intimately with you. In my experiences,

women are more apt to flirting when I wear A1. If a woman is genuinely attracted to you while feeling comfortable

around you, she'll be less inhibited, and attraction tends to build quicker.

The downside to A1 are the

negative side effects they have on men. Depression, laziness, spaciness, etc. Estratetraenol has solved that problem

for me however.

Hypothetically, Beta nol and A1 should create the ultimate intimate vibe with women, though I

don't have much experience mixing the two just yet.

[markosans]

hey are there any cheaper

alternatives to counter the negative effects of A1? The bottle is $79.95 as a chem set.

[Gegogi]

Men's Realm is $19.95 at Ross.

[Sigma]

hey are there any

cheaper alternatives to counter the negative effects of A1? The bottle is $79.95 as a chem set.
There's

an option to get A1 at half strength at 49.95. It'l last you quite a while too

oops. I didn't read the threat

thoroughly. Like geoggi said, you could pick up a bottle of men's realm. The amount of EST in realm is very

minute though, and the effects are far more pronounced with straight EST.

[chromeboy]

Beta nol is

very much a social mone, but is very different fron alpha nol. Unlike alpha nol, which is more up-beat, fun, and

sometimes goofy, beta nol is more relaxed, serious, penetrating, and intimate. Beta nol also very quickly lowers

social barriers between people, particularly people who have just met. I've had instances where I introduced people

to each other while wearing bnol, and they start getting along like fast friends. Its kind of eerie.

A1 illicits

a feeling of comfort in women when they're around you. They're generally more receptive of you and your advances,

and women open up more intimately with you. In my experiences, women are more apt to flirting when I wear A1. If a

woman is genuinely attracted to you while feeling comfortable around you, she'll be less inhibited, and attraction

tends to build quicker.

The downside to A1 are the negative side effects they have on men. Depression, laziness,

spaciness, etc. Estratetraenol has solved that problem for me however.

Hypothetically, Beta nol and A1 should

create the ultimate intimate vibe with women, though I don't have much experience mixing the two just

yet.

That is pretty much what I expect from mones. I am 23 and thus, go for younger girls. I really need

social hits more than sexual ones and I am a bit wary of -none products.

Is there any good and accurate "social

mones" thread that anybody can suggest? When I search as "social mones" I get tons of hits, which is of very little

use. :sad:

[Sigma]

That is pretty

much what I expect from mones. I am 23 and thus, go for younger girls. I really need social hits more than sexual

ones and I am a bit wary of -none products.

Is there any good and accurate "social mones" thread that anybody

can suggest? When I search as "social mones" I get tons of hits, which is of very little use. :sad:


Younger girls respond well to alpha nol. Its a real light-hearted, fun, and chatty type of pheromone, so women

younger women really tend to open up under the influence of alpha nol. SOE is made up of primarily alpha nol if

you're interested in trying that out.

Beta nol is a pheromone that makes people fast friends. People take a

liking to you seemingly right away, and will treat you like an old friend even after having just met them. It opens

people up in a more intimate fashion than alpha nol, and there have been reports of beta nol acting like a bit of a

truth serum - people will say things that they normally wouldn't. As far as I know, there aren't any products

offered here that use beta nol as its primary ingredient, but chemset beta nol is available for purchase.

Again

A1 is a very good social mone when it comes to women. Erox holds a patent for A1 in fragrances, so no products that

I know of contain A1 as its primary ingredient. Realm for women contains minute amounts of A1, and LS offers

chemset A1.

EST (estratetraenol) is another good choice as well. Its a highly mood elevating pheromone, creating

sensations of relaxation and well being. It creates a highly energetic, uplifted mood initially, which fades down

to a more relaxed, easy-going feeling. It lowers social barriers between people, and reduces feelings of tension

and anxiety. I've noticed that EST creates a sort of magnetism. People enjoy being around you and want to be

around you. I would describe it as a non-sexual sense of 'attraction'. Erox holds a patent for EST as well.

Realm for men contains minute amounts of EST, and chemset EST is available at the LS store.

WAGG is another

popular social mone that a lot of people here enjoy. It tends to soften my image a little too much, and I recently

got rid of the bottle. WAGG stands for "What-A-Great-Guy" and the name is appropriate I think. It can give you

more of a "nice-guy" image. I can't give you much feedback on it since I hardly ever used it (negative effects

were waaay too damaging for me), but a search should bring up some results.

Hope this helps!

[luxveritas]

I think one way to figure out

what pheromones really do is to feel their effects yourself. This forum is a great resource; full of information and

experience. These people have gained their experience with time and experimentation.

I haven't been a user

nearly as long as some of the other members on this board but it would seem that some of the info presented from

experience may be the result of autosuggestion. If one person says that pheromone "X" causes women to flip their

hair more frequently then other members start to notice the same thing whether or not it has to do with the products

effects. Having a prejudice against one or another product based on third party non-scientific information may not

be the wisest decision.

I have recently discovered from my own experiments that it seems pheromones lose a

majority of their potency after 3-4 hours. So certain interactions I was attributing to pheromones probably had very

little to do with them.

Perhaps try them out when you are just chilling in your apartment to see if you feel

any different. If you are wearing pheromones then perhaps they should be affecting you more strongly than your

target. I didn't feel any physical differences until I started using mega-doses of pheromones. I am not

recommending going out smelling like a skunk but try a bit of experimentation.

[belgareth]

I haven't

been a user nearly as long as some of the other members on this board but it would seem that some of the info

presented from experience may be the result of autosuggestion. If one person says that pheromone "X" causes women to

flip their hair more frequently then other members start to notice the same thing whether or not it has to do with

the products effects. Having a prejudice against one or another product based on third party non-scientific

information may not be the wisest decision.

Excellent! You are right, in my opinion. I see a lot of posts

here both from people seeing the most amazing results and from others expecting the same results. There is at least

one popular product out there right now that I have never had any results from yet I see others make fantastic

claims about. Any results we see could be suggestion or desire to get results and the more outrageous the result the

more likely to be the effect of wishful thinking.

Friendly, Gegogi and several other very experienced users

keep telling us that mones are a small part of the equation and tell us to look at our behavoir and appearance for

the rest. Pay attention to what they are saying and test products over a period of time to learn what they really

do. Don't take anybody's word for it.

[chromeboy]

If one person says that

pheromone "X" causes women to flip their hair more frequently then other members start to notice the same thing

whether or not it has to do with the products effects.

Yes I noticed that in the hit reports. That is

the main reason why (I think) one has to be very methodological and scientific in testing phermones.

That said,

with all those "new", "secret" and "unknown" ingredients in the newer phermones, user reviews become more and more

important since very few people are aware of how these extra ingredients interact with -none, -nol or -rone and data

you get from testing phermone effects becomes even more fuzzy.

In fact Sigma's post was valuabe for me. I know

that these results might vary significantly depending on the user, but then again, what he points out is a new area

of reading for me. After all, at this point, I do want social/relaxed hits, rather than sexual hits, since

likelihood of acting on a sexual impulse depends largely on a girl's personality and confidence.

That is why, I

think social hits are better indicators of phermone effectives for the age group I am interested in ( < 25 years),

but I may be wrong. :blink:

[bronzie]

BELG,

just a quick

temporary diversion from the topic, I like your quote! signature!, is it yours or from another source? sounds like

something you would hear in the lord of the rings film!

[belgareth]

BELG,

just

a quick temporary diversion from the topic, I like your quote! signature!, is it yours or from another source?

sounds like something you would hear in the lord of the rings film!
Bronzie:

Comes from a philosophy

I've practiced for some time. PM me if you want a better answer. :) Be happy to discuss it but you are right that

this is the wrong place.

I disagree with you on the value of personal results. They are far to subjective to be

of any real value.

[Netghost56]

It's those crazy stories

that those veterans post about women jumping them in public that has noobies foaming in the mouth! :rofl:

I for

one keep hoping for a reaction like that one day.

I'm back in the game now, having gotten a job last week at a

supermarket. So far I've gotten friendly with many of the girl cashiers (though so far none of them have been

single), and I've been trying all my old gel packs. Nothing out of the ordinary. The girls are real friendly to

begin with, plus I've got alot more confidence now than I've ever had, and I'm no longer shy like I used to

be.

I'm going to continue to "experiment" for awhile, when I get some money I think I shall buy a bottle of SOE,

since at 24 I'm the old guy at work! :rasp:

[crayons]

i say its sort like steriods in

pro sports. You cant just take steriods and expect to be a pro ball player, your only gonna have an advantage over

other players your own skill. But if you get a better player "no pun indended, lol" you still gonna have that upper

edge over other in the new skill bracket.

[belgareth]

It's those

crazy stories that those veterans post about women jumping them in public that has noobies foaming in the mouth!

:rofl:

I for one keep hoping for a reaction like that one day.

I'm back in the game now, having gotten a

job last week at a supermarket. So far I've gotten friendly with many of the girl cashiers (though so far none of

them have been single), and I've been trying all my old gel packs. Nothing out of the ordinary. The girls are real

friendly to begin with, plus I've got alot more confidence now than I've ever had, and I'm no longer shy like I

used to be.

I'm going to continue to "experiment" for awhile, when I get some money I think I shall buy a

bottle of SOE, since at 24 I'm the old guy at work! :rasp:

Hey Netghost,

That's great news,

congratulations. The SoE is probably a good idea. Let us know how things work out ofr you.

[chromeboy]

I

disagree with you on the value of personal results. They are far to subjective to be of any real value.



Something odd happened today. I wasnt wearing mones (since I didnt purchase any yet :) ), was in a quite depressed

mood (was on 1 hour sleep) and I think I got what is referred as "social hit". Theres this girl I like in the class

and we never met before whatsoever. And after the exam, me and 15 other people from the class went on to drink

something, where this girl approached over, introduced herself and we started to have a nice chat. She seemed

interested, but the fact that we have been in the same class for the past year, this was quite extraordinary.



Now I imagine that if this happened while I had some mones on me, I would automatically relate it to mones and

"social hit" and try to tailor up the exact dosage to create the same social effect.

But as I said, social

interaction is very difficult to measure or experimentally control (others' part), since certain social behavior

take part without necessarily any purpose or without any impulse to act on.

This makes testing mones all the

more difficult and scares me honestly. I wonder how am I going to measure the effects correctly when I use them.

:POKE:

[Sigma]

Something odd

happened today. I wasnt wearing mones (since I didnt purchase any yet :) ), was in a quite depressed mood (was on 1

hour sleep) and I think I got what is referred as "social hit". Theres this girl I like in the class and we never

met before whatsoever. And after the exam, me and 15 other people from the class went on to drink something, where

this girl approached over, introduced herself and we started to have a nice chat. She seemed interested, but the

fact that we have been in the same class for the past year, this was quite extraordinary.

Now I imagine that if

this happened while I had some mones on me, I would automatically relate it to mones and "social hit" and try to

tailor up the exact dosage to create the same social effect.

But as I said, social interaction is very difficult

to measure or experimentally control (others' part), since certain social behavior take part without necessarily

any purpose or without any impulse to act on.

This makes testing mones all the more difficult and scares me

honestly. I wonder how am I going to measure the effects correctly when I use them. :POKE:
It is

admittedly a challenge whether or not to attribute certain events to the presence of pheromones. Repeated testing

of a certain product is the best way to really understand how a product works. Thats why I usually say it takes me

a good 2 weeks for me to really understand a product. If you can see consistent effects while wearing a particular

product, you can attribute those attributes to the product, and really build an understanding of its benefits. Once

you build that undrestanding, pheromone use becomes less experimental, and more intuitive. You know what kind of

image you want to project, and you know exactly what to use to "paint" that image....an image that is a product of

pheromones, the way you carry yourself, and they way you dress/look/present yourself

[belgareth]

Something odd

happened today. I wasnt wearing mones (since I didnt purchase any yet :) ), was in a quite depressed mood (was on 1

hour sleep) and I think I got what is referred as "social hit". Theres this girl I like in the class and we never

met before whatsoever. And after the exam, me and 15 other people from the class went on to drink something, where

this girl approached over, introduced herself and we started to have a nice chat. She seemed interested, but the

fact that we have been in the same class for the past year, this was quite extraordinary.

Now I imagine that if

this happened while I had some mones on me, I would automatically relate it to mones and "social hit" and try to

tailor up the exact dosage to create the same social effect.

But as I said, social interaction is very difficult

to measure or experimentally control (others' part), since certain social behavior take part without necessarily

any purpose or without any impulse to act on.

This makes testing mones all the more difficult and scares me

honestly. I wonder how am I going to measure the effects correctly when I use them. :POKE:

You make my

point well. :box:

It took me a long ime to really accept that mones could be the cause of things I saw for a

couple reasons. First is that I'm a dyed in the wool sceptic about everything. It comes from my science/engineering

background.

The second is that I'm older and have had a lot of remarkable things happen without (synthetic)

mones. To tell the truth, there have only been a very few times in my life I didn't have an attractive woman

keeping me company and mones were an effort to save a failing marraige. They don't work for that, if your

interested.

[chromeboy]

To tell the

truth, there have only been a very few times in my life I didn't have an attractive woman keeping me company and

mones were an effort to save a failing marraige. They don't work for that, if your interested.

Thats

really interesting. Then what sort of a process did you go through, which, in the end made you believe the extent to

which phermones work? It should have taken a lot of time and patience. One year? Two years?

[belgareth]

I started off with a single

product, SoE. My business was just starting at the time and I was doing all of the field work myself which put me in

offices and around women daily. The first week I wore about 4", the next I wore 8", the next week I wore 12" and so

on. Since I had been working around these women for several months already I could calibrate it against what I knew

of their normal attitudes. I rated percieved differences on a 1-10 scale using a spreadsheet to track results. After

about 5 weeks of SoE I moved to TE and did the same thing.

There is a lot of potential for misinterpretation and

it is all very subjective. However, results were consistant enough over a period of several months to tentatively

convince me that something was happening. I was also spending some time studying here and elsewhere to get a handle

on the science behind pheromones.

My ex wife did show an increased interest in me but I realized what it was

and there were a lot of other issues that mones couldn't fix.

[chromeboy]

which put me

in offices and around women daily. .

That is a great way of doing controlled experimentation. Its really

unfortunate that I dont have daily contact with the same girls, but its rather a matter of chance. I am really

skeptical to the extent phermones can be "tested" in that regard in shopping malls, clubs etc, since the female

population always changes. :think:

[civic-siR]

Honestly even if you know the

woman well, how would you kno the pheromones is actually working.

Say if the woman gets off on the wrong side of

the bed, and she's pissed (Maybe her family pissed her off or friends/work). And that is the same day your wearing

NONE product --> What makes you sure that it's the NONE that was making her angry or her pissed off day.

Unless

if all the woman out of nowhere starts talking to u, flirting with you (Which they never do EVER) then you can right

away point it to the pheromones. But then again it can be something like they found a secret "nice/sexy" thing about

you... lol it can go on and on.

[belgareth]

You are, of course, right. You

can't be absolutely certain of any single occurance. That's a big part of why I don't often tell about hits.

It's also part of why I tell people to read all posts with some degree of scepticism.

What you are really

looking for are patterns. Do more women react favorably when wearing a certain compound than when not. I couldn't

keep mental track of trends like that effectively so I created a simple spreadsheet. It allows me to quantify

somethig complex and somewhat erratic.

[Gegogi]

I don't think pheromomes have

increased my "hits" one iota. In other words, people that were not attracted to me earlier are not suddenly

attracted once I don SOE or NPA. What pheromones have done for me is inflate my persona a bit and thereby enhance or

amp up social and sexual reactions. Things are a little more obvious, open and accelerated. That, in turn, has made

me a little bolder. But nothing happens that wasn't meant to happen anyway.

[bronzie]

I don't think

pheromomes have increased my "hits" one iota. In other words, people that were not attracted to me earlier are not

suddenly attracted once I don SOE or NPA. What pheromones have done for me is inflate my persona a bit and thereby

enhance or amp up social and sexual reactions. Things are a little more obvious, open and accelerated. That, in

turn, has made me a little bolder. But nothing happens that wasn't meant to happen anyway.

Your

saying pheromones give you a sense of confidence, and they do not achieve what they were designed for, attraction

via smell on a moleculer level.

Guess we all have different behavioural outcomes when wearing pheromones. I

personally wear them and forget I wear them, I do not act differently or my confidence levels rise, because I have

naturally high confidence anyway, but wear them for fun, sometimes just to see a womans reaction from something that

was made in a Lab!

If someone is using pheromones as a placebo effect you might as well take some water pour

it over you, bless it confidence water and not waste your money on expensive pheromones.

[Netghost56]

Frustrating, ain't it?? :D

[luxveritas]

Pheromones don't make you

more attractive. They just help a woman see you as a man instead of a person. They also seem to make people nervous.

If a girl is nervous when meeting you, even if you are less attractive they probably wonder why you make them

nervous.

[Gegogi]

Sheesh, Bronzie you're trying amazingly hard to read something into my post that isn't there. In fact

you appear to be hallucinating prose in a bad way. I did not write the word "confidence" one time. Zippo. I've

always been a confident person and have spent most of my life on stage and speaking before large groups. Confidence

goes with the territory. Pheromones don't make me more confident. In fact, I usually forget I'm wearing them in my

daily grind. I wear pheromones to effect change in those around me.

What I clearly articulated was pheromones

enhance my public image or outward personality, i.e., persona. If you'd read a little more carefully you might get

it one of these days. Pheromones help me appear a little bigger than life to those around me. This, in turn, will

"enhance or amp up social and sexual reactions" from those around me. In other words, reactions to me "are a little

more obvious, open and accelerated." When you know beyond a doubt someone is receptive, you can be direct.

I

firmly believe they are reacting to my charm and charisma, enhanced though in may be. Furthermore, no amount of

pheromones will overcome a lack of social grace, an unpleasant appearance or lack of status. A loser is still a

loser and a gallon of SOE won't a stunning man make.

[chromeboy]

I think the majority of people

are interested in phermones hoping that it will "make" people interested in them. Honestly, that was what I though

at the beginning.

Although it may not be the case, from what I have read here in this forum phermones "can" help

social contacts to happen. That is to say, I do believe that phermones have the potential to start a conversation

that would otherwise wouldn't, or make people more expressive of their feelings that wouldn't happen otherwise

either.

From that perspective, from what I have read so far, I have derived the conclusion that phermones do not

make people attracted to you etc., but "open up" people, so that they can express their feeling in the direction you

wish.

But there are also "hit" reports which state that there have been an instantaneous attraction (DIHL,

flirting behavior), which confuses me to understand what to look for as a "hit".

Some say phermone effects are

very subtle and phermones do not make you somebody else, whereas some others say they can see the difference within

minutes of meeting a girl.

That of course depends a lot of what you wear (nol, none, rone), how well you know

the girl, the setting (bar, club, supmermarket), what you wear, how you look etc..

I think the critical issue

remains "what to look for" when assessing phermone effectiveness. For example can phermones be effectively tested in

a gym environment? Assume you dont know any of the girls there and want to test your pheros. Can you do it without

talking to them? Or do you have to talk for a long time to understand the effects?

I hope I am asking the right

questions. :blink:

[WorkingMann]

I've tried
Nexus

pheromones (with cologne) and it doesn't do shit!! Besides it smells very powerfull :(
NPA: I've used these but

seen no results at all..!
Date-Mate 2000: Very nasty Pheromone smell, and doesn't work either..

[Muscle4Hire]

Well, I think this has been

one of the most important threads ever posted on the forums here... what we are actually talking about here is the

philosophy or way of thinking about pheromone usage. I've read a couple great quotes:

"I think the majority of

people are interested in phermones hoping that it will "make" people interested in them." (chromeboy)

"no amount

of pheromones will overcome a lack of social grace, an unpleasant appearance or lack of status." (Gegogi)

"Once

you build that undrestanding, pheromone use becomes less experimental, and more intuitive. You know what kind of

image you want to project, and you know exactly what to use to "paint" that image." (Sigma)

Basically, you have

to have your self confidence secured and yourself in order... its just like getting drunk or doing drugs to cover up

problems... its not going to work out.

This thread really made me reflect... I have a hard time trusting people

and I tend to be antisocial so my social skills could use some tweaking. I've noticed that when I used pheromones

in a bad attitude or expecting them to do all the work and just pick up some chick, I got the worst results. When I

used them in a great mood and just used them for the scent, I had great results becacuse I felt less self-conscious

and was more down to earth.

I really think we could add a lot to this thread... Hopefully it will become a

sticky.

[Sigma]

These outrageous, blatant sexual

hits do happen, but its something that, realistically, happens once in a blue moon. Problem is that people are more

likely to post the really blatant hits, rather than the subtle everyday ones...in that sense the forum kind of

misrpresents how often these types of things happen. The everyday benefits of mones are, again, real subtle, and

usually not worth posting about. But in the event that an opportunity for a good hit does arise, pheromones give

you a significant leg up. Its still up to you, as a man, to take or create those opportunities though. Just as the

clothes don't make the man, neither do the pheromones. Pheromones, like clothing, will only ENHANCE your image and

your actions. Remember that.

When you start thinking in those terms, the effects of the pheromones really does

get ambiguous. You start wondering if a hit was a more a result of you, or the pheromones. Its really a product of

both.

I think a lot of new posters show up high on axe commercials and expect to see these kinds of responses to

mones. They slap on complicated mixes that are really high on none without really understanding how pheromones work

for them and wonder why they aren't getting hits. They overlook the social, communicative aspect of human

attraction. They overlook the social benefits of pheromones. They overlook the importance of social pheromones

altogether, which more consistently generate hits.

So the question is then..."how do you know if pheromones are

working or not?" Thats just the same as asking "how do I know if a woman is really attracted to me or not?" Its a

really difficult question to answer....there are countless books on this topic, and the discussions could go on

forever.

I will say though, that most hits are very subtle, because women operate in subtleties, much unlike

men, who are very direct. Most men overlook the subtle advances women make on men, and most men will overlook the

subtle advantages that pheromones create. Unless you build a firm understanding of not only pheromones, but human

attraction, pheromone use becomes a game of luck...you slap on mones and hope for really obvious results. I do

believe that pheromones have a profound effect on a molecular level, but they are a complement to your overall image

and your actions....not a replacement. Even if you build a good understanding of nonverbal communication, and have

a firm grip on the nuances of pheromone use, its still up to you, as a man, to take things further. Otherwise all

you have is a bunch of nonverbal fluff thats fun to brag about, but doesn't really get you anywhere (to quote

myself from another thread).

Lastly, in order for pheromones to really work, they need to have some congruency

with your appearance, the way you carry yourself, and the context of the environment in which they'll be worn.

Always be mindful of these things when you wear pheromones. Learn what affects different pheromones have ON YOU,

not just what people say on the forum. Learn to pick the pheromones that suit your personality and your situation

best, and be mindful of how you present yourself while wearing mones (this includes how you dress and groom

yourself). Stop and think if the pheromones you're using are appropriate in the environment they're going to be

used in. It isn't a good idea to walk around hopped up on none everyday.

[Holmes]

I don't think

pheromomes have increased my "hits" one iota. In other words, people that were not attracted to me earlier are not

suddenly attracted once I don SOE or NPA. What pheromones have done for me is inflate my persona a bit and thereby

enhance or amp up social and sexual reactions. Things are a little more obvious, open and accelerated. That, in

turn, has made me a little bolder. But nothing happens that wasn't meant to happen anyway.

Great

post. Excellent description of what pheromones really do, which is to magnify pre-existing positives. They won't

polish a turd.

[chromeboy]

So is it difficult (if not

impossible) to test phermones without talking? Would any girl notice the phermone if you are sitting next to her in

the library or working out in the gym?

[Gegogi]

Sprinkle the right pheromones on

an inanimate object, and insects are drawn involuntarily. However, humans are more complex than insects and lower

mammals. In the same situation a woman may sense the 'mones but her brain recognizes it is not an attractive male

and directs her to standdown. She also recognizes corpses, losers and wallflowers. Unless you're into moths or

small mammals, you need to employ the total package or 'mones won't do jack.

[MOBLEYC57]

So is it

difficult (if not impossible) to test phermones without talking? Would any girl notice the phermone if you are

sitting next to her in the library or working out in the gym?

:type: YES. Not that

she'll/they'll jump on you and hump you silly, but she/they will let you know by their actions/sudden need to talk

to you, that your mone signature has been picked up on their radar. What happens after that is TOTALLY up to you.

[chromeboy]

they will let

you know by their actions/sudden need to talk to you, that your mone signature has been picked up on their

radar

May I take more confirmation on that from other experienced users? This phrase is quite

important.

[Muscle4Hire]

May I take

more confirmation on that from other experienced users? This phrase is quite important.

I can atest to

this. When I start a new product, I will go up to a woman and just sit next to her... I won't talk to her or even

acknowledge her... within about 30 seconds, I notice her kinda pick up on something, almost like she recognizes you

from somewhere and is trying to shoot glances at you. I've had great success with the SOE gel packs this way. This

is how I know that the product works because she will be very focused on what shes doing (studying, talking to

somebody else) and then just turn around and start looking at you up and down. I've had two ladies on an escalator

stop their conversation to look at me like WTF?

[chromeboy]

I can atest

to this. When I start a new product, I will go up to a woman and just sit next to her... I won't talk to her or

even acknowledge her... within about 30 seconds, I notice her kinda pick up on something, almost like she recognizes

you from somewhere and is trying to shoot glances at you. I've had great success with the SOE gel packs this way.

This is how I know that the product works because she will be very focused on what shes doing (studying, talking to

somebody else) and then just turn around and start looking at you up and down. I've had two ladies on an escalator

stop their conversation to look at me like WTF?

:box: If anybody disagrees s/he should really enter the

scene now.

[Netghost56]

Can't say I've had that

kind of response from SOE gels.

Plus I've never had a reaction from just sitting next to a girl.

[luxveritas]

hopefully they aren't

staring because they wonder WTF smells so bad :) Or maybe they are staring because you are in their business :) That

aside I have found that if you work yourself into proximity of a girl getting started is much easier. It does help

if they notice you first.

[chromeboy]

So are such responses

personal, rather than general?

[chromeboy]

Or would different types of

phermones elicit the same reaction from women?

[Gegogi]

Hey chrome, you're trying to get

a simplistic answer and there just ain't none. NPA used by a skillful, handsome and confident man may cause

poon-tang rain down from the ceiling on him. Another less capable and talented man may cause women, children and

pets to flee just before all the alpha wantabes in the area kick the shit outta him. 'Mones always invoke a

biological reaction at some level. However the direction and outcome of that reaction is irrevocably tied to your

unique combination of social skills, appearance, status and body chemsitry.

Basically a skillfully applied

pheromone dose will compliment your assets and make you a little bigger than life. So you gotta experiment and find

the right combo and dose for you. However, like Holmes wrote, 'mones can't polish a turd.

[chromeboy]

Sure. I was trying to get

people's opinions on

"
they will let you know by their actions/sudden need to talk to you, that your mone

signature has been picked up on their radar"


Most of us newbs do not know what to look for, and again,

most of us get absolutely no reaction at all. My pursuit of non-communicated responses here, should not be regarded

as search for easy answers. I want to understand if such responses (from people whom you are not talking with) are

common or not.

In other words, I just want to know if experienced users are ok with the quotation above.

[belgareth]

There have been some great

posts in the past about body language. It seems to me that some of the best were by Friendlly1 but I may be

mistaken. I did do a search for body language posts by him and had them listed in reverse cronological order. There

is some really good stuff there you should go back and read. As a matter of fact, I'd suggest it to all the new

members and as a refresher for most of us older ones too.

[civic-siR]

^ link? :p

[belgareth]

Do a search for yourself. I

gave you all the parameters. There are a lot of seperate posts and I'm not going to provide links for them all.

[WorkingMann]

:box: If

anybody disagrees s/he should really enter the scene now.

I've used NPA in a movie-theatre with 2 girls

sitting next to me I didn't know..
Both of them didn't notice anuthing about me, besides the one looked at me

like "What the hell are you looking at your DORK?!".
And my x I've tried to sit with in my car, and asked her to

smell this new cologne I was using.. It was NPA with coversmell and all she said was "it smells like you" and

smiled..
And we sat there for 20 minutes and she did NOTHING at all showing she wanted anything..
I know she wants

me back, she has told me, but even though I did have NPA on it didn't made her need to be with me any stronger..