Suitable product for?

[mato]

I am: 24, average

body shaped, tall. North-European, intellectual :p

What I want: being (appeared as) energic, self-confident,

talkative, getting attention

Target: girls aged 18-25,
Purpose, in order: 1. Getting dates/seduction 2.

Flirting 3. Sexual activity in general

But,
AE: for appearing as a stabile, mature person (allready being that,

maybe not really that exciting...)

PI: quite aggressive; it would be nice to take evenings also with friends in

the same time, and also does this suit so well to actual dates coming up then?

NPA: much of positive feedback,

but target is more a little bit older age group?

Have you any recommendations or ideas?

[zdman]

I'd get the beginners kit, NPA,

and SOE. And test to see if you can get results with those. You will need to do a lot of testing. If you have money,

I would also get A1 and A314. :cheers:

[mato]

Hi and thanks for the reply.

Altought, it would be useful to argument suggestions more, eg. why so.

For an example, beginners kit seems to

include Edge, which is quite a same thing as NPA. So no point at all, in my opinion, to order both.

[Rbt]

I agree that TE and NPA may be too

similar. Just get one or the other to start. -none is a tough pheromone to figure out. I think it's too easy to OD

with it especially early on in a dating/social type situation. I'd avoid Primal Instinct at first.

I'd

personally aim for the more social products like SOE (talkative), a "leadership" product like a314(confidence), and

perhaps a "general purpose" product like Chikara or AE.

[mato]

My test plan:


Base: AE,

changing from 1...4 dabs and looking for reactions
Addition: Le Male as a scent, NPA from 0..4 dabs. 1/4 of

SOE/chikara gel packet for additional varieties.

So far, got an headache from NPA, no other reactions :rofl:

[mato]

Does "don't really smell a

thing" actually means too low dosage? (As, 4 drops of AE doesn't seem to be so "low"..)

NPA smells only like an

alcohol to me (in a bottle, nothing at all on a skin), but definetly contains something; applied to neck 2 daps

makes me feel a little bit uneasy and air thicker. Gives really fast an headache.

Do you recall some other person

in this forum, who has had kind of same characteristics in general and found a good working mix?

[Mtnjim]

Does "don't really

smell a thing" actually means too low dosage? (As, 4 drops of AE doesn't seem to be so "low"..)

NPA smells only

like an alcohol to me (in a bottle, nothing at all on a skin), but definetly contains something; applied to neck 2

daps makes me feel a little bit uneasy and air thicker. Gives really fast an headache.

~25% of the male

population can not smell ~NONE.
Guess you're one of them. Be reeeeeal careful.:trout:

[Sigma]

I think you're too focused on

none products. None works well, but is highly inconsistent and has some negative effects. Pick up some of the more

socially oriented product. SOE and A314 are good choices.

[mato]

I think you're too

focused on none products. None works well, but is highly inconsistent and has some negative effects. Pick up some

of the more socially oriented product. SOE and A314 are good choices.

You maybe right on that. I was in

an illusion otherwise, but now calculated that when NPA contains 50% none, AE is 44% (!!)

Really hard to believe

they are quite the same in that amount, as NPA feels very strong, AE does not. Also, people often dilute NPA as much

as 1:5 or 1:7, AE is usually used as-is. Strange.

[jollysnowdevil]

You maybe

right on that. I was in an illusion otherwise, but now calculated that when NPA contains 50% none, AE is 44% (!!)



Really hard to believe they are quite the same in that amount, as NPA feels very strong, AE does not. Also, people

often dilute NPA as much as 1:5 or 1:7, AE is usually used as-is. Strange.

your numbers seem a bit off.

npa has more none than ae. npa is none + a secret ingredient. it is really meant to be used as an additive to your

favorite cologne. however since most of us like to know how much we are wearing for consistency and testing purposes

a lot of us feel it is better used straight from the bottle or mixing in small batches with other mones/scents.

personally depending on the situation i dont always like to wear the same amount of npa and overdosing on cologne

just to increase my npa dose isnt very effective for me.

oh yeah npa and te are the same thing only npa is a lot

more concentrated and does not have the scent that te does.

[mato]

According to pherolibrary,

AE: 2

androstenone:1.5 androstenol:1 androstrerone
= 44% -none

NPA:1 androstenone:1 secret ingredient
= 50%

-none

==> AE should in practise be quite equal in -none concentration to NPA! (and therefore should also being

diluted as much, in order to avoid OD of -none, but for some reason that is very rarely done according to the forum

posts).

Is there something I didn't get right?

[slickracer]

the one thing you forgot to

factor in is how big the bottles are, what the actual mone content is insted of % (part for part)

and as people

get exp under thier belt with useing NPA, they learn how much they need for thier liking that they don't need to

dilude it anymore.

[mato]

Aa, that clears the picture

:)

But,

AE: total pheros 0.45 mg/ml * 44% none = 0,198 mg /ml none
NPA: total pheros 0.48 mg/ml * 50%

none = 0,240 mg /ml none

in 1 ml, AE has 83% as much none as NPA
which is still quite high. (If using one

dap of NPA as diluted solution 1:5, then with this logic the one using AE should also dilute its something like 1:4,

for equal none amount)


Furthermore, when you compare this 1:4 diluted AE with SOE,
SOE: Androstenol 0.4

mg /ml
SOE: Androsterone 0.1 mg /ml
VS.
AE: Androstenol 0.03 mg/ml
AE: Androsterone 0.02

mg/ml
the (other compound than -NONE) amounts are 1/10 to SOE which means they hardly do any noticeable effect in

the mixture.


So, what am I trying to say here is, that AE == NPA

[CptKipling]

There is some fuzzy methodology

to your maths and argument.

Simply put, even though AE has only slightly less -none concentration than NPA (0.04

mg/ml), the 0.15 mg/ml of -nol and 0.1 mg/ml of -rone help to balance out the overall effect because they are not

intimidating, quite the opposite in fact. Add to this that NPA's secret seems to add to the overall

aggressiveness/intimidation of the product and you should understand why people dilute so much.

[slickracer]

ae seems to be well balanced

out with the other stuff thats in it and NPA is made just for the puppose of the aggressive alpha immage.

with

me tho, if i only war NPA, im not as outgoing (don't like that) but the girls get really horny around me. ae give

me the bad ass vibe (well mroe of a carefree vibe, but normally i like being a badass so that vibe comes in pretty

strong on ae )

today i wore 2 daps of NPA with 2 drops of AE over the spots so it covers the smell. i must say

it worked pretty good for me. (last week i started useing something like that but wiht TE insted of NPA, never done

mixes like this before and man i love it.

i think im oding.... but the weird thing about when i od is that i

only od with guys. but never really with girls...... they just get turned on. you migh think well then why not od

all the time then.... well its pretty hard to get anything done with girls when you are in a battle with guys.

[mato]

I think I'm unable to get the AE

dosage right, maybe due that -none. Perhaps getting a minor kind-of respect more from males (but, NPA works on that

better, I think).

Girls seem to anyway a)not paying attention at all or b)be a little bit negatively annoyed,

for no particular reason.

Still far from a rock star imago.

[mato]

Now we're getting into something.



Used: 1 drop of WAGG into face/forehead (+ a little bit of SOE into hands). Had some old mones from the day

before, as I didn't shower and used the same shirt, don't know was that something to do with everything also.



Response: Went to a home party with only a few people I already knew. Drunken guys were friendly in a way have I

rarely seen before; it was almost irritating. Not so much response from the girls, but there were not so many of

them there anyway. The effect was more clear with alpha-type strangers which I didn't know already (football

players :blink: ) and also, the fade-away after 2-3 hours was clear; suddenly I was again "just a some stranger to

them".

I really hope that this hasn't have the same problem I seem to have with NPA/Alter Ego: I do get some

respect from males, but already a few girls have said that "I somehow irritate them" (in a negative way, I think) if

there is some reaction at all. Overdose still makes both genders somewhat uncomfortable/quiet, however, and that

effect is clearly visible.

[mato]

You guys have abandoned my thread

:sad: