View Full Version : Difficulty with Experimenting
alanrudy
02-20-2006, 09:06 PM
Hello,
I have been reading the FAQ, Product Guides, and forums and have been using Pheromones for more than a
month now and this is my first post. Let me say that I love this site :wub: . I'm really kind of confused with
experimenting though. I'm 25/M/Persian/5'7"/NYC. I feel so many factors are involved in experimenting and that it
is almost impossible :sad: : age, height, race, chemistry, build, personality, game, which product/mix/cover
cologne, for sexual hits, social, business, if there is a certain kind of girl that responds to the pheromone (their
age, personality, etc.), whether at the club, work, library, etc., dosage, where applied, how good it worked (little
flirting, good flirting, jumping your bones), how the product/mix affected them.
When you consider all these
factors it really seems almost impossible to experiment :think: . Any advice?
Now for some results, I feel like
I've been getting hits (girls body language, talking to me) and I feel more confident, which is great. I feel like
the money when I use this stuff :lovestruc . I have a strong direct hit story too: At the club, this hot girl (that
was taller than me) kept trying to get through and rubbing against me like it was a tight space to get through(which
it wasn't), then she touched my jawline (mones on the neck) and we started talking. I bought her a drink and she
was so happy and she bought me the next drink. I've barely even flirted at all with girls who are taller than me in
my whole life (They and I usually pass cause girl tend not to like shorter guys so they pass by and I pass by cause
I know they like taller than me and I tend to like my height or shorter)! To me, that just has to be a hit from
wearing pheromones! This stuff is great.
My application has been a few drops in the neck, pits, wrists, chest,
head, and down under. To be honest, I use a little of all the products I have: TE, AE, Chikara, Pheros since I
don't know what will work, am sceptical of experimenting, and I really want it to work everytime I use it (I know
doing that won't guarantee it will work, but I feel like putting a little of everything out there in hopes that it
will work. Another question I have that I couldn't find the answer to: Is it better to cover by putting the cover
right where you put the previous pheromone or maybe off to the side of it to mask the possible odor and not mix up
the chemistry of that product? Any help is greatly appreciated.
SwingerMD
02-21-2006, 01:17 AM
Alanrudy,
:welcome:
Sounds like you are getting results already. Congrats! All of those factors are there as just a guideline to take
into consideration on what may work etc. Basically if it works great, if not try something else.
If you
are adding things separately, then it is best put the coverscent on top of the previous mone application. I find it
best to make up small batches (esp. if you are experimenting with mix ratio) of pheromone product (such as NPA) with
your favorite coverscent. When you find the best mix ratio that works for you, then you can start making larger
batches.
When you start experimenting with the various mone products (BTW Pheros is a very good
parfum/cologne to use as a coverscent. No pheromones in it.), it is wise to start with small doses and work your
way up. That way you can get an idea of where your best lowest dose (for positive results) and OD threshhold (point
where you start getting undesirable neg effects) is. It is usually different for everyone for a large variety of
reasons. Anyhow good luck!
-SwingerMD
Sigma
02-21-2006, 11:55 AM
Good to see you're seeing hits
early on. Experimenting is admittedly rough, especially when the mixes don't go as well on occasions you'd really
like them to. However, once you've experimented to the point of understanding how each individual product works
for you, you can refine your mixes any which way to control the effects, and the hits come much more frequently.
Arbitrarily throwing products on won't gurantee hits everytime, you're more or less relying on luck and probably
won't get lucky everytime. In fact, once you factor in things like pheromone build-up, you might find yourself
OD'ing.
Your best bet is to experiment on your off days...the days you really wouldn't mind an OD or dud mix.
That way when the weekend rolls around, you'll have a better idea of what worked, what didn't, and what you should
wear.
alanrudy
02-22-2006, 10:00 PM
Great advice guys,
thank you. I really will give it a try with working my way up and avoiding OD, but I am going to give certain days
that I can go all out because I believe it has been working on this girl I think is great so I don't want to mess
it up. About Pheros, yes it is a great cover scent, I think maybe even just as a standalone, but SwingerMD, you
were saying it has no pheromones, I thought it had some, the product guide says it has some (do you mean just not a
lot of pheromones?)
That is great advice Sigma, don't know why I didn't think of that, I guess I wanted to give
myself more offdays and save pheromones but that is a great idea for testing and I will do that.
What do you guys
think of this as another way of testing.....how I feel. The times I think the Pheromones were at their best working
were the times that I felt the most like "the money". So I'm thinking if I guage what makes me feel that great way
where I'm confident but not too aggressive (I think) and happy, feeling good, etc. then that is a great
product/combo for me. What do you guys think?
Friendly1
02-23-2006, 09:22 PM
When you
consider all these factors it really seems almost impossible to experiment :think: . Any advice?
Just
do it until you feel comfortable wearing the pheromones in all situations. You'll find that the analysis becomes
less overwhelming.
...(They and I usually pass cause girl tend not to like shorter guys...
You're not as well-informed on that subject as you may want to be. I'd say about half the women I've had
success with were taller than me. I am 5'7". Confidence has a lot more to do with it than height.
...To me, that just has to be a hit from wearing pheromones!...
I agree. The pheromones helped
her open up. But the rest of it was you.
alanrudy
02-25-2006, 10:03 PM
Thanks for responding friendly1. Also, let me add, I really like your post about how young people
should have confidence. I disagree with you on this height thing though. It is proven by studies (and also kinda
makes sense) that girls like guys that are their height or taller. There are exceptions to every rule; however, just
because there is an exception to a rule doesn’t make the rule not true. Although I must admit, this research
shouldn’t make me exclude taller girls because they are in the possibility range as you can attest, but I guess I
tend to do so for sake of saving time and increasing my chances and plus they exclude me.
Maybe I had so much mones on, that it attracts tall, attractive women who are confident (however,
I have also heard that the most attractive women have the weakest confidence). I don't
know.
I still maintain difficulty with experimenting. I definitely
agree that there are benefits to testing, but I guess where I get caught up is that this is field testing and not
scientific testing. And when you field test there seems to be too many extraneous (time of day, etc) and confounding
(thinking this product may not work and if thiking makes you act less confident, that may have an effect and not the
mones) variables to conclude what dosage/application points/mixes are good. I would venture to say that not only do
answers depend on each person, the kind of girl they want to attract, but also factors such as the time of day,
season, etc. I guess I'm analyzing it too much and should just narrow down to what has been working to try and make
the best mix but that's what I think sometimes about experimenting. Hopefully, it will work out.
CptKipling
02-26-2006, 01:47 PM
Why take any notice of a rule
that will only hold you back psychologically?
Also...
however, I have
also heard that the most attractive women have the weakest confidence
That's only true of
women whose looks are their only means to validate themselves. Everyone is insecure in some way though.
alanrudy
02-26-2006, 11:46 PM
Everyone is insecure
in some way though.
How true.
Why take any notice of a rule that will only hold you back
psychologically?
I have pretty much the same answer to this as in my thread on pheromones for
shorter people
http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread
.php?p=180851#post180851 (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=180851#post180851)
if you want to read it. Thank you for responding.
CptKipling
02-27-2006, 12:05 PM
I read it, but I stand by my
statement.
The reality of the situation is this: You have two choices, keep your limiting belief, or create a
new positive belief (yes it's that simple).
With the first choice, you will have this feeling around every
taller woman and never feel worthy to approach them, never mind keep them in a healthy relationship.
With the
second choice, your new belief opens the door to many more possibilities. Yes, you will come across some women that
haven't worked out that being tall is only one signal that a man is confident/high status/whatever, but there are
many others that you would now be letting yourself get to know.
I know which I would choose. And it is that
simple.
Riley
02-27-2006, 06:56 PM
I'm really suprised, as much
money as there is to be had, that someone hasn't come out with a "pherometer"... some kind of scientific electronic
device that actually measures the strength of the pheremones you give off.
I totally agree that experimenting
can be frustrating. You think you are doing everything exactly the same as last time, but you get totally different
reactions.
Mobley definitely has the right idea about women being at the peak of their cycle, but the theory is
that you will encounter all types of women at different points in their cycle throughout the day.
It just
doesn't explain why it seems like A LOT of women want you one day, and then basically none the next.
Don't
forget too that when many women are really interested, they hide their attraction. It would seem
counter-productive, but my guess is that they're intimidated. I go out with a group, and a female friend of a
friend won't give me so much as a smile... then later her friend pulls me aside and tells me she was asking all
about me.
I wish I had some better answers for you alanrudy... but I'm still figuring it out myself.
:)
Riley
MOBLEYC57
02-27-2006, 08:05 PM
Mobley
definitely has the right idea about women being at the peak of their cycle, but the theory is that you will
encounter all types of women at different points in their cycle throughout the day.
It just doesn't explain
why it seems like A LOT of women want you one day, and then basically none the next.
Don't forget too that when
many women are really interested, they hide their attraction. It would seem counter-productive, but my guess is that
they're intimidated. I go out with a group, and a female friend of a friend won't give me so much as a smile...
then later her friend pulls me aside and tells me she was asking all about me.
I wish I had some better answers
for you alanrudy... but I'm still figuring it out myself. :)
Riley
Yes, but it's only a good
idea for the lady/ladies that you have on your list/radar, or in your life. Like being attracted to someone at your
job for example ... one day you wear a mix ... nothing. Another day you wear a mix ... nothing. Then on the 3rd of
the month with the same mix ... she's looking at you like you're a chocolate shake! :smite: :lovestruc:smite:
27/28/29 days from that day could bring the same results, yes? Tis possibo! Tis possibo! Definitely the right idea
for making things hot!:whip: Still, just a thought that arrived at the surface of my head that was talked about a
long time ago. Never heard of anyone keeping track of their SO/FWB/lover/wife. :sick:
When the time is right
... will you be ready?:run:
alanrudy
03-03-2006, 03:42 PM
CptKipling,
I decided to keep
the talk about height on that other thread that I copied for you just to make things easier. Good thoughts
though.
Riley,
Thank you. You even described some more ways that connected with me of how it is difficult. There
should be that pherometer thing, there should also be a Dr., Dr. Smell This?, that you go to describe every single
detail of your profile and he smells you and analyzes all this information and prescribes certain mones and mixes
for certain situations. But I guess we have to be our own doctors and figure out how to experiment but it can be
very difficult. But I guess one can make the same argument for testing anything out in the field (even a new
haircut or something). Hopefully, I'll get good and figure some stuff out. Keep me posted on any experimenting
tips and successes.
Thanks for everyone's help in responding.
CptKipling
03-03-2006, 08:28 PM
CptKipling,
I decided
to keep the talk about height on that other thread that I copied for you just to make things easier. Good thoughts
though.
Which choice did you make? ;)
Good luck either way :thumbsup:
alanrudy
03-04-2006, 12:02 AM
Hey CptKipling,
I just posted
the response in that other thread.
http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sh...851#p
ost180851 (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=180851#post180851)
I don't really see myself as fitting into either of those choices with how you worded them,
hopefully this last post I linked you to will explain. :) Take care.
CptKipling
03-04-2006, 06:30 AM
Yeah I had read that. My
parting comment (because I think I'm pushing a little too much) is that there was a guy who used to used to visit
this forum (ToBeOrNotToBe - I think), and iirc he was only a short guy but got attention from taller girls.
Friendly1
03-05-2006, 02:44 AM
...I disagree with you on this height thing though. It is proven by studies (and also kinda makes
sense) that girls like guys that are their height or taller....
Well, I don't claim to have the stone tablets in my
hand, but those studies are quantifying passive data. At least, the studies I am aware
of.
Most short guys have
less confidence than the average tall guy. So the tall guys tend to have more success with the
girls.
Confidence is the key. Knowing when to move in
and take charge, and wanting to do it without regard for what people might think of you, works in many different
types of situations.
People respect you more for taking the initiative without rocking everyone else's boat.
Hence, when you have a group of four girls and five guys, there will be at least one odd man out but there could
be as many as five men out if none of them have what the girls want.
Height is closely associated with
self-confidence and self-esteem. Some people suggest it may have something to do with the fact that many noble
European families were taller than their peasants -- which is believed to be due to the fact that those noble
familes came from Germanic or Norse clans that settled among shorter peoples.
Generation after generation fix
the pattern of success because the advantages go to the families that already have the advantages.
I work beside
a guy who is a true alpha male. I kid him about the way he hobnobs with the rich people in Houston. He got
thoughtful one day and explained that it comes naturally to him because his parents had just enough wealth to settle
on the ouskirts of a very rich neighborhood. So he grew up with the sons of very wealth families and became their
friends. Those connections have given him advantages that he has utilized throughout his life, and he makes no
apologies for doing so.
He is about my height so he is not very tall, and he is completely bald. He is not
self-conscious about his appearance.
surfs_up
03-05-2006, 07:48 AM
There was a guy in my high school class who had the worst, most disgusting case of acne on
record, his situation was as if he has an infectious disease from the tropics it was so disgusting to look at, man
he didn't have zits, he was covered with oozing boils that were cherry red.... so naturally he wasn't a babe
magnet exactly... he came from a supportive family though and he had great self esteem that you could sense at a
distance... he never identified his self worth with his hideous complexion... when he eventually did outgrow his
acne he had evolved deep inner resources for upholding his sense of dignity, he wound up with a ruggedly pockmarked
face that was reminiscent of Richard Burton and an indestructable sense of humor, and yeah, his humor and his inner
strength did make him a babe magnet... it was the ugly duckling myth all over again... I knew another guy who had
2/3 of his face burned off as a kid, now he was never going to score, and he knew his realistic limits, but he did
have a choice 'cause he had every excuse in the book to hate the world and feel sorry for himself... but he didn't
choose that... he developed an incredible sense of inner strength that was a great inspiration to anyone who was in
his presence.... if any halfway presentable guy had either of those two's life experience, like if you could go
through their lives then come back and live your life again after having to be them...your problems would seem like
nothing.
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