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Texan2006
02-20-2006, 04:18 PM
Morning All
Well at least it is morning here down under in Australia. Appreciate the help of a certain member
who just instructed me how to post a new message.
I am approximately 5 foot 8 inches, athletic build, and not
bad looking. I want to increase the number of girls that I date etc.
I am extremely new to Pheromones and as
such need to ask a couple of quick questions.
1) Which is the best off the shelf product to try straight up. I
want girls to be more interested / intrigued by me as opposed to just friendly. From the limited amount I hagve read
it would seem that SOE is enough to make girls friendly where as Primal instict is more of a power play proivided
you treat it with respect. Please tell me if this is correct?
2) Most experienced people on this forum seem to
mix a lot. Is this really important or will I still get the hits with a standard off the shelf product?
3)
Should I use scented or unscented.? Without knowing very much unscented appeals to me more as I am a big believer in
wearing quality cologne. Also, how does one put the cologne "over" the mones. Does this mean literally over or does
it mean in different positions on your body to where the mones are?
Thanks for your help in advance
Texan
Sigma
02-20-2006, 04:55 PM
Morning All
Well at least it is morning here down under in Australia. Appreciate the help of a certain member who just
instructed me how to post a new message.
I am approximately 5 foot 8 inches, athletic build, and not bad
looking. I want to increase the number of girls that I date etc.
I am extremely new to Pheromones and as such
need to ask a couple of quick questions.
1) Which is the best off the shelf product to try straight up. I want
girls to be more interested / intrigued by me as opposed to just friendly. From the limited amount I hagve read it
would seem that SOE is enough to make girls friendly where as Primal instict is more of a power play proivided you
treat it with respect. Please tell me if this is correct?
2) Most experienced people on this forum seem to mix a
lot. Is this really important or will I still get the hits with a standard off the shelf product?
3) Should I
use scented or unscented.? Without knowing very much unscented appeals to me more as I am a big believer in wearing
quality cologne. Also, how does one put the cologne "over" the mones. Does this mean literally over or does it mean
in different positions on your body to where the mones are?
Thanks for your help in advance
Texan
1)
Recommending the best straight up product is always a little difficult. Individual body chemistries, traits and
personality charactecteristics play a big role in which products work, and which don't. NPA is probably the most
popular product as far as generating a sexual response, though I hardly ever hear of it being used alone and there
are those who OD on the stuff rather easily. PI works well, though not for everyone and it has to be used with
quite a bit of care. AE is a more rounded none product, though it may lack on sexual side for some (like myself)
Again, which product works best is highly dependent on the individual, and I would recommend starting with the
beginner special to see which mones work best for you before making a major purchase.
2) Mixing is by no means
necessary, but mones are far more effective when products are mixed. For instance, while NPA delivers a nice sexual
edge, it does come coupled with an aggressive vibe, which can create a sense of awkwardness or intimidation.
Complementing NPA with something like SOE helps buffer against the negative effects of NPA, thus allowing you to
reek the benefits of higher NPA amounts, without all the awkwardness/intimidation. Other products just seem to
enhace the effects of 'primary products'(ie A1, AA314).
3) The fragrances in the phero products aren't meant
to be worn as your primary fragrance...products are usually fragranced to help cover the stench of the pheromones,
and the fragrance will fade almost completely within an hour or so. That being said, I usually cover even the
fragranced products with a cologne of choice. Though you don't necessarily have to apply cologne over the exact
spot you applied the pheromones, it would be best to apply the fragrance after you apply the mones.
Texan2006
02-20-2006, 07:01 PM
Hi Sigma
Thanks for the information. What is NPA. Also, just to confirm this site
just seems to good to be true. This forum is about attacting females(and males) by using pheromones to the end goal
of sexual relations? Also, it really does work right, otherwise all of you wouldn't be wasting your time on here,
correct?
The reason I am a little unsure is that every article I have read about attracting people using mones
has said that scientific proof is still inconclusive, or possibly someone can point me in the right direction.
Anyways, I am assuming that everyone on this site who has been a member for a month or more has had some
success.
Sigma
02-20-2006, 08:13 PM
Hi Sigma
Thanks for the information. What is NPA. Also, just to confirm this site just seems to good to be true. This forum
is about attacting females(and males) by using pheromones to the end goal of sexual relations? Also, it really does
work right, otherwise all of you wouldn't be wasting your time on here, correct?
The reason I am a little
unsure is that every article I have read about attracting people using mones has said that scientific proof is still
inconclusive, or possibly someone can point me in the right direction.
Anyways, I am assuming that everyone on
this site who has been a member for a month or more has had some success.
NPA = New Pheromone Additive.
Its an androstenone based mix much like Primal Instinct, though with half the mone content of PI, and mixed in with
some secret ingredients.
Although most of the older documentation on pheromones conclude against the role of
pheromones in human attraction and behavior, the more recent studies and articles are hinting at the fact that
pheromones play a signficant role in all of this. People periodically post these articles on the forum, so
definately pull up a search on them.
Of course jumping on the pheromone bandwagon does require a leap of faith.
Keep in mind though, that although pheromones aren't the magical love drugs that they're often marketed to be,
none of us would be here if we hadn't had our fair share of success with them. Personally, while the sexual
benefits that pheromones provide are the primary reason for wearing them, I do embrace other social advantages that
pheromones provide in a more everyday context as well.
Definately take a couple hours to read up on the forum
before you jump the gun though.
Gegogi
02-20-2006, 08:44 PM
This forum is about
attacting females(and males) by using pheromones to the end goal of sexual relations?
Sex is but one
area of human relationships effected by pheromones. Pheromones enhance all social aspects of human life: business,
romantic, sexual and friendships. So this forum is concerned with pheromone use and its impact across a broad
spectrum of human endeavors (sheesh that sounded good!). I dare say if you suck at friendships and romance you
probably won't score much poon tang. In other words, human relations are a continuum. Excel at business and
friendships and romance will be like falling off a log. It's all the same thing to me. Just add a few tweaks to
differentiate the goals of the relationship and bingo.
Like others have said, one size doesn't fit all. You
should probably experience with several products and decide which works with your body chemistry, persona and social
goals. I'd start with SOE and TE. Test separately and then in combination, increasing the dose until you find the
ideal ratios and amounts.
Finally, realize pheromones can only enhance or amp up the real you. If you're
afraid, lack confidence and negative you'll appear to be an even bigger loser. If you appear fit, confident and
positive 'mones will make you almost walk on water. So it's 90% up to you. The 'mones will give you an edge only
if you got game.
luxveritas
02-20-2006, 09:24 PM
It might actually be cool to
build a tool based on the recomendations of the experienced users which would make product recomendations based on
Age Race and Game level 1-10.
Gegogi
02-21-2006, 12:33 AM
If your game level is 1 (almost
dead) no amount or type of 'mones will help.
slickracer
02-21-2006, 12:50 AM
well some people are here for
researching and stuff. there are other people around here that uses pheromones but dson't have time to post. i have
been useing mones for about almost 2 years. i think i found what i was looking for. so i don't need to be on here
asking alot of questions and stuff. but im still around reading up on stuff. most people seem to be posting about
mixing is becuase there needs to be alot more tweaking to do with the concept of mix. so alot mroe poeple have
qustions. who knows, mabey they are jsut researching for the next product (standalone, where most people can just
buy it and use it with out any more thoughts behind it.)
i have found what i was looking for, and i use a stand
alone product and alot of personality that hleps. there is no such thing as an end to all product.
bronzie
02-21-2006, 02:53 PM
Gday fellow Aussie mate! as we
both well know Aussie girls are not as simple as splashing on some pheros and asking them if they want a drink. As
beautiful as they are, Aussie women are pretty difficult in the dating department, and ive traveled most of the
world, Europe females are a piece of cake to get a date compared to Aussie fems, and im a Aussie native, born and
raised, pretty goodlooking, a bit taller then you and athletic body.
I think to actually get the date you
must employ other tactics rather than depend on pheros, they might make you more sexually attractive, and friendlier
inititally, but this is not enough to secure the date. Each country has its own culture in what women want and are
looking for, I suggest you read up on some Ross Jeffries stuff and Robert Greene, and nothing will get you a date if
you do not have the confidence to begin with, Aussie girls I find are pretty independant and very choosy, more so
because of the countires isolation and afluence, so how really have to manuveuer yourself to meet thier needs and
what they want to hear. But I gotta tellyou something, once you get the date, PHEROS are amazing and will do
wonders, I have always had the phylosophy of get the date by technique without pheros, but once you actually get it
start wearing them each time you meet, since the rapport has already been established.
Texan2006
02-21-2006, 03:59 PM
Thanks for the
excellent advice from all. Just to let you know Bronzie I have began to read up on Ross Jefferies work about
patterns. I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you down in flames given half a
chance.
The only reason I had or have any doubts about the mones is that no one seems excited. I agree with all
of you who have said it is but one part of the overall game. The remainder of my game is not that bad, I have an
interesting personality, some intelligence, charisma etc. But to have the added bonus of mones I find extaordinary.
This is truly exciting, this to me would just give you that edge you need.
Hence, my questioning of your
excitement, I never hear or see any stories on this site about blokes scoring etc. Its all talked about in hits?
What is the point of getting a hit if you don't capitalise? I understand Gegogi's point of view about mones
touching all human endeavours etc. but I would suggest that 99 % of people who ended up at this sit in the first
place did it becasue they wanted to score. I could be wrong, have been before and will be again.
Anyway, I
really want to try them out, I have nothing to lose I guess. Worst case scenario maybe they will increase my
confidence by 10 % because of the physchological effect of wearing them.
Cheers Fellas
bronzie
02-21-2006, 04:32 PM
Thanks for the
excellent advice from all. Just to let you know Bronzie I have began to read up on Ross Jefferies work about
patterns. I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you down in flames given half a
chance.
Cheers Fellas
Brother you are true right, right on the mark, but there is a way of
getting shot down and not getting letting your ego hurt that stops you from approaching women, and that is not give
a f@%K! pardon my french...
takes some practice, but you will realise that the more practice you have the
greater you will overcome any fear of them and rejection.
ross jeffries mainly concerns with that subject
matter, others like greene are more in depth and are really about seduction, but to seduce you must have confidence
to begin with, start with ross jeffries then go read robert greene, art of seduction, amazing read,very
proffessional, almost academic.
pheros, well, i have found they do help with self confidence when you have
them on, and they do work when applied with other tactics, but they are not the magic bullet that we guys are
looking for, that comes with wisdom and experience in dealing with girls/women.
again, i stress, once you
have the girl, pheros will keep her! you can almost b an asshole, which i dont suggest any man should be, but pheros
are very powerfull, ive had DIHL, and ive dated girls and not forgetten me and calling me up months later, and i bet
its not my charm, but something that went up thier nose! pheros!
Texan2006
02-21-2006, 04:46 PM
Bronzie
The I undestand
what you are saying. However, the reason I am trying pheros is for the approach. I have no problem with the date,
close etc. I just need more prospects, I figure if these pheros do what the manufactures claim then worst case
scenario I will be able to get past the point of being shot down in flames. ie. the introduction. if pheros make me
more approachable etc. than that is all I want from them. The rest I think I can take care of. What are your
thoughts on this concept?
Cheers
bronzie
02-21-2006, 04:53 PM
As for aussie women, just tell
them you drive a saab and own your own double storey home in the inner city, that usually does the trick for a quick
date, just be prepared for the repurcusions when they find out you dont
If you want amazingly beautiful women
that look beyond material things, try going to france, spain, italy, greece and some eastern european countries, be
carefull, alot of gold diggers in some of these post communist countries, but the check republic (the most beautiful
women in the world in my opinion), because unfortunatly, you wont find too many in Australia unless you play the
supplicator
what i love best in pheros in australia, and this is a bit of a power trip, is when a girl on a
tram or train is totally unattracted to me usually when i dont have pheros applied, but stares at me with her eyes
wide open like she has been hypnotized and in love when i do, its those rare times u make ur move fast and ask for
her ph number!
Texan2006
02-21-2006, 04:59 PM
thats what I wanted to hear
Bronzie. see I can work with that. Where abouts in Australia do you live by the way?
bronzie
02-21-2006, 05:12 PM
Melbourne, but i often visit
sydney, raised on the nsw coast and melb, dated girls from most states, i find, Western Australian girls the most
honest, noble and ladylike though, and I believe the most attractive in Australia. just my opinion, but i should not
generalise, there are good women everywhere in this country of ours, you just have to seek, and after all, evolution
says that its the mans job to initiate and find the girl, so no excuse texas man, its your right by
birth!
hey, where you from? reside
Texan2006
02-21-2006, 05:23 PM
Bronzie
I should have
known you were from Melbourne using the "Tram". I am from God's country that is Brisbane, QLD. Anyway mate one more
question. What mones should I start with, from everything I read I was thinking maybe Primal Instinct and SOE. Did
you begin with the starter pack?
Texan,
Don't worry about the
"unproven research" about mones , remember the director of the FDA once said that "smoking cigarettes will have no
ill effect on your health, in fact one or two a day is good for you"
I think the fact that this board is full of
"hit" stories just goes to show that they do indeed work, it's just a matter of finding the right ones for
you.
If you think aussie girls are choosy ,try NZ! I find that chikara scented (2-3 sprays) with a cover works
well at the moment, a boost with 2 dabs of PI has fantastic results in a club... The Mediteranean/Pacific
Islander/Maori girls go nuts! (I don't really hang out with many euro's so can't comment on them to any great
detail)
bronzie
02-21-2006, 05:44 PM
I find, for what you i have read
about your physical profile, your not over 6/2 foot and aggressive looking are you? well if your not, primal
instinct is the greatest product i have come across, and use it with excellent success, if you have your own cousins
hitting on you ( and thats just downright scary!!) when your wearing a product that works, you know it works! there
is one more product that is the "fine wine" of pheros that i have been using for years, but love scent does not have
it on sale here, so not to be in conflict with this forum i will not mention it, but combined with primal instinct,
this combination is really dynamite.
i wish lovescent could get it in, as the manufacturer invented and
isolated pheromones to begin with.
if u private me, il let u know the name, there is a similar product love
scent sells, which might do the trick
Texan2006
02-21-2006, 06:03 PM
Bronzie
I don't know
how to do a private post? Can you do one to me?
Thanks
Gegogi
02-21-2006, 11:28 PM
I never hear or see any
stories on this site about blokes scoring etc.
The stories about nailing poon are here, and most of us
have written a few fcuk chapters. I know I've contributed my share. Almost any man can bed a woman once he attracts
her and wins her trust. That's easy and no great mystery. The difficult part is creating sufficient attraction and
trust to make her clay in your hands. So we write about "hits."
Personally I dismiss 95% of the hits I get.
For practice, I tease them a little and move on. If I like them I might make friends. If I really like them I might
ask for more. I'm been around the block a few times and have grown extremely particular about a woman's
personality, lifestyle, race and appearance. Back in the day I would have nailed any hoochie babe but it ain't
worth the hassle anymore.
Personally I
dismiss 95% of the hits I get. For practice, I tease them a little and move on. If I like them I might make friends.
If I really like them I might ask for more. I'm been around the block a few times and have grown extremely
particular about a woman's personality, lifestyle, race and appearance. Back in the day I would have nailed any
hoochie babe but it ain't worth the hassle anymore.
Me too, there's nothing more off putting than a
hottie on the outside and an ice queen underneath... I like to be the one to walk away these days, often they just
don't know what to do when they see that i'm moving on after they've realised that i don't find them all that
interesting.
Since I've been using mones I'm a lot more picky , less one nighters and more f-buddies. (well not
anymore, have met someone i want to be with for a while)
gamecity
02-22-2006, 10:40 AM
If your game
level is 1 (almost dead) no amount or type of 'mones will help.
I disagree :)
There are always girls
that take care of the game for you. The ones that approach you, flirt and seduce you. I love those women although I
get turned off when they do that. They take away the challenge. I still love them though.
Gegogi
02-22-2006, 02:13 PM
I guess it depends on how you
define "game." I think of it as your total assets: appearance, lifestyle and social skills. Obviously if you live
the lifestyle of the rich 'n famous you need less in the appearance and social skills areas. Every hoochie mama
within the city limits will be all over you. However, what you lack in appearance and lifestyle can often be
compensated for with social skills (charm, wit, confidence, etc.).
Just to balance some of the earlier
posts : the aussie girls in London are sweethearts :-)
CptKipling
02-22-2006, 03:57 PM
I think most people will find
that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's certainly what I've found.
I agree
that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you down in flames given half a chance.
That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found American women to be more approachable
because they were excited about your nationality.
NaughtieGirl
02-22-2006, 05:31 PM
I think
most people will find that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's certainly what I've
found.
That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found American women to be more
approachable because they were excited about your nationality.
I wholeheartedly agree. There is always
something exciting about a person from a different country/culture. Provided the culture gap is not too large.
Gegogi
02-22-2006, 09:39 PM
You're right. FOB girls really
light my torch, especially recent arrivals from Asia. They seem to be more mysterious and erotic than local girls.
They're also excited about meeting someone from a new country so it makes for a nice ride.
There is
always something exciting about a person from a different country/culture. Provided the culture gap is not too
large.
Oddly I used to dated girls so "fresh off the boat" I had to use hand signals and draw pictures to
communicate. One of them actually had an English degree from a Japanese University but I swear my terrible Japanese
was better than her English. ESL is big business on Oahu and hordes of Eastern students flock to our campuses to
glimpse American pie.
bronzie
02-23-2006, 06:04 PM
On the subject of being
attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity for you,
and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,
especially when the need requires it. Example, you will not go very far with a girl from Romania or say Russia if
she knows you are just a tourist and out to have some fun and than leave her (since these countries population have
a degree of impovrishment), and females, unless they are into short flings or one night stands, most are into a
longer term relationship. But if she thinks that you might provide her with some security you could do very well
with her.
I find this the case in every European country I have traveled too, even in my native European
country where I speak the language, most girls, in the beggining of the conversation ask if you will stay and live
here and work here, if you say no, they mostly go ice cold, if you say yes ofcourse, thier interest in you
increases.
If you want quick sex, no pheromones needed to be quite blunt, just go Ibiza, Spain Mykonons or
IOS in Greece in the JULY or August, the simple truth is, the girls go thier for that reason, and most do not want
any strings attached, but its very different if you met the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own
culture, you will get a different response from her.
Texas man, the product is called pherofragrance, do a
search, inventor is Dr Dodd
Gegogi
02-23-2006, 06:49 PM
On the subject of being
attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity for you,
and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,
especially when the need requires it.
Of course it depends on the person and the place. When I lived in
the Pac NW we were very racially segregated and even hated Canadian tourists (I haven't a clue why). We lived in
separate neighborhoods and Asians hung wih Asians, Blacks with Blacks, etc. Local Asians even looked down on the
FOBs!
I moved to Honolulu and everything changed, probably because it's a crossroad of the world, a major
tourist destination and a melting pot with for race and creed. Tourist women from every corner of the world come
here to have fun and get laid. Black or White women would rarely look at me in Seattle suddenly found me exotic in
Honolulu. I lived and performed in Waikiki for over 10 years and could get laid almost any day of the week by a
different woman. In Seattle I was lucky to score a couple times a year.
but its very different if you met
the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own culture, you will get a different response from
her.
This is probably true, especially in rural and backwards areas. Many large cities are becoming
increasingly international and values are changing. Honolulu is about as international as it get as most residents
are recent arrivals or immigrants from all over the world. Interracial and international dating is more the rule
than the exception.
Australias Hitch
02-23-2006, 09:21 PM
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate!!
Hello all, pleased to meet you!
Another fellow newbie aussie here!!
I
ordered Chikara just over a year ago and have noticed huge differences,
I only started getting these so called
'hits' when I became more opinionated, extroverted and
less of a 'bitch' (plz mind my french).
When I
started initiating conversation and becoming an 'alpha male' the Chikara was like the icing on the cake.
I use
two sprays, one under my shirt on my chest and the other on my left wrist or bicep.
I'm from Canberra which is
full of snobby public servant, resteraunt critic wannabes
and I still managed to generate 'hits' and get
laid.
So IMO go the Chikara.
(I'm 22, 5'10, 80kgs {180 pounds}) and a bit of allright.
tim929
02-24-2006, 12:11 AM
In my experience,the best way to
pick up women is to have half of your chase team on each side of them,then have the net man chase them up the center
with a net.The guy with the dart rifle stays just ahead of the rest of you and off to one side so as not to be
trampled by the wild beast as she runs by.If the dart is well placed,the net man should be able to bring down your
intended prety easily...but watch out for thier tusks,even when heavily sedated they can be realy dangerous with
those things.And male sure not to skimp on the net.You get what you pay for and a cheap net is a sure way to loose
your quarry.
Failing that,being friendly,striking up a pleasant conversation,asking her to coffee after getting
to know her alittle bit,maybe buying her a drink...the usual stuff seems to work amazingly well.There is no
substsute for "game." And there is no such thing as "game in a bottle." You just have to work on it till you get it
right.
CptKipling
02-26-2006, 01:27 PM
On the subject
of being attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity
for you, and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,
especially when the need requires it. Example, you will not go very far with a girl from Romania or say Russia if
she knows you are just a tourist and out to have some fun and than leave her (since these countries population have
a degree of impovrishment), and females, unless they are into short flings or one night stands, most are into a
longer term relationship. But if she thinks that you might provide her with some security you could do very well
with her.
I find this the case in every European country I have traveled too, even in my native European
country where I speak the language, most girls, in the beggining of the conversation ask if you will stay and live
here and work here, if you say no, they mostly go ice cold, if you say yes ofcourse, thier interest in you
increases.
If you want quick sex, no pheromones needed to be quite blunt, just go Ibiza, Spain Mykonons or IOS
in Greece in the JULY or August, the simple truth is, the girls go thier for that reason, and most do not want any
strings attached, but its very different if you met the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own
culture, you will get a different response from her.
Texas man, the product is called pherofragrance, do a
search, inventor is Dr Dodd
Those beliefs will limit you.
This will probably sting your ego, but the
reason that you don't do well with Australian women is probably that you are consistantly doing something wrong.
bronzie
02-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Those beliefs
will limit you.
This will probably sting your ego, but the reason that you don't do well with Australian
women is probably that you are consistantly doing something wrong.
CptKipling, nowhere in my posts
do I mention that do not do well with Aussie women, in fact I do very well in the dating department and without the
use of pheromones as an aid for the pick up because I undertand thier mentality to begin with. All I state is that
Aussie women are not as approachable compared with women from other Countries I have visited, and the reasons, if
you want to go into culture, history and academia stems from the days of Queen Victoria of England who enshrined
womens rights in both law and family values in Australia, hence the high degree of feminism that Australian women
posses, I am not saying this is wrong but it is a major reason for thier ambivilance and lack of enthusiasm and at
times scorn at being the object of chase.
Example, while in France I could approach a woman on the street and
ask her for a coffee without a problem, she would either smile a yes or a no, in Australia you can do the same but
most women will view this action as desperete or even creepy, and if she wants by law you could be liable for sexual
harrasment. Not so in France.
If you tried some of Ross Jeffries and other dating gurus techniques on
Australian women, they will think your a bloody fool and walk away, what works in the USA does not neccesarily mean
it will work elsewhere for the very simple reason of cultural differences,
Australian women are extrememly
sharp and not as gullible as women from other countries. My philosophy is to apply your knowledge and skill as being
a man to the culture at hand and adapt to it, otherwise you will find cultural blocks in women and in the world in
general.
As for pheromones, they work on a different level as a female biological attractant with no cultural
discrimination, they do not solve or improve any issues a man is faced with women, after he actually gets the date.
fortunatly for me, ive studied women and gender studies and sociology at an Australian university, i say
fortunatly because understanding the reason behind a collective cultural mentality gives you a sense of knowledge on
how to act and what to say to women, most guys even within thier own culture do not know why the women of thier city
do the things they do or think the way they think, hence thier frustration.
belgareth
02-27-2006, 03:15 PM
Your underestimating women in
the US. Many do fall for that DYD tripe but just as many or more laugh at it. I listen to my wife and her friends
talking about it, a lot of them are still single and see right through it. Perhaps the women in clubs are looking to
get picked up so go along with it in some cases?
CptKipling
02-27-2006, 03:45 PM
He is underestimating women all
over the world.
Bronzie, although I did confuse my last posting, the basic premise is still right.
Even
though women from France may have been more open to you asking them for coffee, that doesn't mean that what I said
here
I think most people will find that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's
certainly what I've found.
Quote:
I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you
down in flames given half a chance.
That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found
American women to be more approachable because they were excited about your nationality.
isn't true.
And just because a woman is friendlier to you it doesn't mean that she is more open to a romantic advance. You
could be having a fantastic interaction but she just isn't interested in that way.
bronzie
02-27-2006, 04:18 PM
CptKipling, im not
underestimating or generalizing, im stating what the reality is, I really dont want to provide you a bibliography on
the whole issue of culture, gender and sexual identity, but the books are out there for any man to read.
The
word Xenofriendliness is a Greek word, Xeno meaning foriegn, friend = filos meaning togetherness, and because my
background is Greek, every single summer when im not in my Beautiful Native Australia im at the Greek Islands
talking and mingling, scoring with foriegn women from all over the world, when entering a country, any country,
humans are social creatures and are drawn to thier fellow man as a kind of curiosity, it does not mean they find you
more attractive or anything other than that, unless they can gain something from you, its simple human nature.
The girls that go to the Greek islands mainly go for sex and sun and partying, and not to view the ancient
Greek ruins, as selfish as that may sound, they really dont give a sh*t where your from as long as you can fullfill
thier sexual desire and appitite on thier holiday!
See the same girl in her native homeland, and in my
experience, she is a totally different individual within the boundries of her own culture.
Australias Hitch
02-27-2006, 09:02 PM
CptKipling, nowhere in my posts do I mention that do not
do well with Aussie women, in fact I do very well in the dating department and without the use of pheromones as an
aid for the pick up because I undertand thier mentality to begin with. All I state is that Aussie women are not as
approachable compared with women from other Countries I have visited, and the reasons, if you want to go into
culture, history and academia stems from the days of Queen Victoria of England who enshrined womens rights in both
law and family values in Australia, hence the high degree of feminism that Australian women posses, I am not saying
this is wrong but it is a major reason for thier ambivilance and lack of enthusiasm and at times scorn at being the
object of chase.
Example, while in France I could approach a woman on the street and ask her for a coffee
without a problem, she would either smile a yes or a no, in Australia you can do the same but most women will view
this action as desperete or even creepy, and if she wants by law you could be liable for sexual harrasment. Not so
in France.
If you tried some of Ross Jeffries and other dating gurus techniques on Australian women, they will
think your a bloody fool and walk away, what works in the USA does not neccesarily mean it will work elsewhere for
the very simple reason of cultural differences,
Australian women are extrememly sharp and not as gullible as
women from other countries. My philosophy is to apply your knowledge and skill as being a man to the culture at hand
and adapt to it, otherwise you will find cultural blocks in women and in the world in general.
As for
pheromones, they work on a different level as a female biological attractant with no cultural discrimination, they
do not solve or improve any issues a man is faced with women, after he actually gets the date.
fortunatly for
me, ive studied women and gender studies and sociology at an Australian university, i say fortunatly because
understanding the reason behind a collective cultural mentality gives you a sense of knowledge on how to act and
what to say to women, most guys even within thier own culture do not know why the women of thier city do the things
they do or think the way they think, hence thier frustration.
Which university..?
I agree with the
'Australian women are sharp" statement but you seem to think that Australian women aren't approachable..?
:think:
I live in Canberra which is full of snobby public servants/resteraunt critic wannabes and I still find that if
you approach them and find some bs angle the high-horse money-grubbing viscard dissipates.
:drunk:
As for the
rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or Melbourne) I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in
the world.
:box:
if you want to go into culture, history and academia stems from the days of
Queen Victoria of England who enshrined womens rights in both law and family values in Australia, hence the high
degree of feminism that Australian women posses,
It seriously sounds like you need to leave the confines
of where ever it is you approach women.:kiss:
Is it a university library? :nono:
Believe me that statement is
rediculous and completely denoted
by something called 'evolution'.
:think:
Yes!, this universal
invariable has been known to change womens perceptions of dating, sex and the opposite gender with another universal
invariable known as 'time'.
:think:
Go to the Gold Coast and you'll understand
:trout:
I
also understand some people may experience difficulty spending time in front of a computer with a textbook....
CONGRATULATIONS!! :goodpost:
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src="http://www.encyclopediadramatica.
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Watcher
02-28-2006, 05:01 AM
being not far from the gold coast
- i will totally agree with u on their looks and the ability to net youreself some very attractive ladies to have
some fun with.
The ross jeffries approach if u use the right ones are nearly foolproof.
bronzie
02-28-2006, 11:32 AM
Which
university..?
I agree with the 'Australian women are sharp" statement but you seem to think that Australian
women aren't approachable..?
:think:
I live in Canberra which is full of snobby public
servants/resteraunt critic wannabes and I still find that if you approach them and find some bs angle the high-horse
money-grubbing viscard dissipates.
:drunk:
As for the rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or Melbourne)
I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in the world.
:box:
It seriously
sounds like you need to leave the confines of where ever it is you approach women.:kiss:
Is it a university
library? :nono:
Believe me that statement is rediculous and completely denoted
by something called
'evolution'.
:think:
Yes!, this universal invariable has been known to change womens
perceptions of dating, sex and the opposite gender with another universal invariable known as
'time'.
:think:
Go to the Gold Coast and you'll understand
:trout:
I also
understand some people may experience difficulty spending time in front of a computer with a textbook....
CONGRATULATIONS!! :goodpost:
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src="http://www.encyclopediadramatica.
com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg)">
Aussie Hitch, do I have to keep on regurgitating
what I write in posts for the sake of clarity? Nowhere did I say Australian women are not approachable, if that were
the case Australia would have a zero birth rate!!! I merely said Australian women are not as approachable as
compared to Women from other cultures and countries. Ask any man with some testosterone that has traveled through
Europe and he will hole heartedly agree with me.
[/QUOTE]As for the rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or
Melbourne) I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in the world.[/QUOTE]
Are you for
real??!!? SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE is practically Australia!!!!! And where most of the Australian population is
concentrated, if you think that the rest of Australia is somewhat superior in friendliness and approachability and
in looks, your mind is clouded and have spent way too much time in dead beat Canberra. You say Australian girls
other than the ones that live in the two main populated cities are the best looking in the world. I find this a
paradox and contradictory since most of the girls from country Australia have migrated into the big cities anyway,
namely to Syd and Melb. Anyhow, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, their will always be guys that have a fetish
and prefer overly obese women, so I respect you on that note in what you believe is beautiful..
No, I dont
approach Australian women in a library nor do I labour over text books to seek out some wisdom in the female
mentality, if you read all my previous posts you will realise this and I gained it through first hand
experience.
And yeah I have been to the gold coast, Obviously you have not been to the Island of IOS or
Santorini in Greece in July or August to see the thousands of Australian women with thier backpacks that flood those
Islands basically giving thier bodies for the night to any man that will buy them a beer. It makes schoolies week on
the gold coast and other times when the girls are "supposed" to be at thier most promiscious look like a
Nunnery.
I graduated from Melbourne University, I hear there are some good universities in Canberra, maybe
you should try out the library scene with pheromones applied! and report back to the forum.
bronzie
02-28-2006, 11:42 AM
Watcher, Ross Jeffries is a bit
of a tosser, his overall plan on trying to map the female mentality is ok, but try some of his techniques on
Australian women and you will most likely get a slap in the face, especially, the palmistry technique, you will sure
get her Palm alright! most likely across your face! and the grapho deck card technique, she either has to be a total
air head bimbo to go with that or a psycologist to observe your desperate attempts at picking up a woman. either
case you wont get very far, at least with Australian women. European women are much to sharp to fall that stuff
also.
surfs_up
02-28-2006, 02:14 PM
He's not a pickup coach though... the grapvine has some buzz on it that he's the new bossman of NLP
in town... we've communicated back and forth, I will say this, he's damned interesting as a person and pretty
non-typical... If I get the chance I will study with him... that just hasn't presented itself yet so I can't say
what his trainings are like... something about moving into a space of supercompetence. Anyway, I hope he's all
he's cracked up to be. Hate wasting time with mediocre
"genuises":
http://www.jsriggio.com/Programs/Exquisite_Intuition.asp
bronzie
02-28-2006, 02:58 PM
surfs up, these new age
lifestyle gurus are a dim a dozen and all say they are unique and one of a kind, for me they mostly seem the same
and emulate each other in one way or another, here is another guy that is supposed to be revolutionary, just like
the rest!
fact is these "gurus" follow an ancient formula of making the person first feel insecure then
giving the person through thier programs that you have to "pay for" a sense and possibility to make your life
happier! most of the things they have to say are self explanatory and natural law anyway.
dont rely on any
one person for the holy grail,
all, Anthony Robbins wannabees, in the end thier just great sales men that
make lots of money on peoples insecurities!
http://www.deidacentral.com/
luxveritas
02-28-2006, 03:02 PM
a friend of mine showed me
some stuff by david deangelo. His stuff is really logical and well thought out. You could also take every place he
says "women" and replace it with "people" and it still makes sense. It is a good way to think about all
interpersonal relationships not just with those of the opposite sex.
bronzie
02-28-2006, 03:14 PM
ive heard david deangelos
programs, again he seems to be rather like ross jeffries, he definantly is a good public speaker
if you want
to read something very intense yet unfortuantly very real to this world, i say unfortunatly, because greens work is
based on the charles darwin theory that the strongest survives, be it out of wit, read the art of seduction by
Robert Greene, he makes de angelo and the rest look like amateurs
by the way, for all the Aussies here,
author Robert Greene is Australian. read his bio, and seems he went to the most morally "dog eat dog" degenerative
place on earth to write his books, L.A, and i can honestly say he did a good job at depicting the world from that
angle.
surfs_up
02-28-2006, 10:07 PM
There is good considerable variation, some have real things to teach, some blow smoke and don't help or hurt much,
some are out to f*ck with your mind and you money.
Of all the schools of thought, the straight up NLP crew
has been about the most useful... although some can be about as exiting as watching paint dry...
I even
watched the famous Richard Bandler try his hand as a seduction coach.... it was a painful fiasco... but I have seen
Ricard do positively breathtaking work in other contexts...
The most useful skills I picked up were called
"calibration", how to carefully distinguish subtle degrees of emotional shift and adjust my emotional (and
behavioral) movements accordingly. It was like I had increased my awareness magnification by 10x and could see many
fine details of increasing or decreasing interest. My lack of success with women before that was basically that I
wasn't nearly as observant as I assumed I was... most people aren't.
A combination of acting school and NLP
together helped me flesh out my ideas about "relational space", sort of an in-rapport light trance where you deeply
hear the other person...
It turned out that the quality of listening, women get this better than men for
cultural reasons, it's like a whole body feeling of what the other person is saying (or not saying too) was the key
to the kingdom.
Women pick up super fast when you are pretending to hear them and they tune you
out.
If you don't have it wired into your perception from early childhood you need to find a good teacher
who can help with full sensory perception skills, some, not all, of the NLP instructors can help.
Like I
wrote in another post, sensing the "internal clock speed" of whoever you are talking to is critical, that's a
calibration skill, and then learning to slow your internal clock down just a notch below theirs seem to immediately
drop them into a nice communication trance. Bandler has some material that might help you with that.
These
are skills. They sound straightforward enough in theory, think of it working on your forehand when you haven't
played tennis... it takes time and an investment of energy to gracefully get the ball over the net every time and
put it where you want it in the opposite court.
Overt or external strategy based seduction ploys will NOT
work unless you have mastered the inner game skills first.
Pongo
03-01-2006, 03:03 AM
Sorry for the late reply on pickin
up chickas ~ always lift with your legs.
Australias Hitch
03-01-2006, 05:16 AM
Aussie Hitch, do I have to keep on regurgitating what I write in posts for the sake of
clarity? .
If it works?:think:
Nowhere did I say Australian women are not
approachable, if that were the case Australia would have a zero birth rate!!! I merely said Australian women are not
as approachable as compared to Women from other cultures and countries. Ask any man with some testosterone that has
traveled through Europe and he will hole heartedly agree with me.
No, no they wouldn’t, My Male friends
(who have testosterone) and I have travelled globally/locally and the best chicks to approach imo are in Australia
(and not in Sydney or Melbourne).
Imho
#1 :angel: :wub: Australia (spec. Newcastle NSW, Scarborough WA, North
Sydney NSW, Glenelg SA, Cairns/palm cove Nth Qld)
#2:box: Rio (Brazil)
#3 :box: Amsterdam/ Switzerland
#4
:kiss: Las Vegas
Are you for real??!!? SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE is practically Australia!!!!! And
where most of the Australian population is concentrated, .
No not even close, NSW and Victoria combined
roughly make up half of Australia’s population (roughly 10 mil)
not Sydney and Melbourne.:nono:
if you think that the rest of Australia is somewhat superior in friendliness and approachability
and in looks, your mind is clouded and have spent way too much time in dead beat Canberra. You say Australian girls
other than the ones that live in the two main populated cities are the best looking in the world. .
Equally as good looking, easier to approach, friendlier, more positive and hey whats your next quote say?
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, .
:thumbsup:
So all those traits previously
mentioned and their perception thereof is subjective to who we are as people individually.. right?, which means
people can have differing views on which Women are easier to approach.
their will always be guys
that have a fetish and prefer overly obese women
, so I respect you on that note in what you believe is beautiful..
.
Hmmmmm, Sigmund Freud calls that projection
Projection, which Anna Freud also called
displacement outward, is almost the complete opposite of turning against the self. It involves the tendency to see
your own unacceptable desires in other people. In other words, the desires are still there, but they're not your
desires anymore. I confess that whenever I hear someone going on and on about how aggressive everybody is, or how
perverted they all are, I tend to wonder if this person doesn't have an aggressive or sexual streak in themselves
that they'd rather not acknowledge
No, I dont approach Australian women in a library nor do I
labour over text books to seek out some wisdom in the female mentality, .
Couldv’e fooled me.:think:
if you read all my previous posts you will realise this and I gained it through first hand
experience.
And yeah I have been to the gold coast, Obviously you have not been to the Island of IOS or Santorini
in Greece in July or August to see the thousands of Australian women with thier backpacks that flood those Islands
basically giving thier bodies for the night to any man that will buy them a beer. It makes schoolies week on the
gold coast and other times when the girls are "supposed" to be at thier most promiscious look like a Nunnery.
.
Cool!, you like documentaries aswell ?
Pssssssssst Sigmunt Freud has more theories aswell?
(See
Denial, and Rationalisation)
http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.
html (http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.html)
He calls them Ego defence mechanisms:sad:
surfs_up
03-01-2006, 08:40 AM
You have to learn to see "minimal behavior" that most youthful gentlemen are too hormone intoxicated
and not well attuned to make good use of....
It is like the social world has a thick fog cast over it that
makes ordinary people blind to those things that are not screamingly obvious.... now, Mother Nature, she's a
trickster by design... because the female has to balance signaling her interest without broadcasting it on the p.a.
system...
Otherwise she's a S.L.U.T. or a lush or plain jane insane and well behaved normals will stay a
safe distance away, like any self resecting cobra knows not to dance with a mongoose.
There IS this sweet
little dance, like how bees come home to the hive and do their thing to tell the other bees where the honey is...
well, sure, there is this delicate subliminal thing that you only gradually become aware of when the girly girls are
sending out some vibrations for you to pick up on, they definitely signal interest, even if it is the most fleeting
way...
And the guy, outside of his conscious awareness, will signal back if he's interested in her being
interested... so a good player can walk into a room a read all the little signals, a major part of his success is
that he isn't wasting his time with the wrong signals...
That guy has got the equivalent of infrared vision
that can see through the fog and sense the underlying heat energy... for him pheromones are useful because they
trigger "amplification"..., the signals become more distinct, for you techs out there, the -mones increase the
signal to noise ratio, or v.v., they reduce the confounding noise somewheres between 6 dB. and 12 dB.... once
you've gone beyond about 12 dB. of selective amplification, behavior becomes too erratic and wacky, more like you
could end up in therapist mode instead of party mode...
And now to get back to the original
question that started this thread...
In terms of products, there really isn't any way other than giving them a
try. Too many variables. An off the shelf may do just fine for you, especially if the rest of your "game" is going
great. (And I know I'd ratehr just be able to "grab and go" rather than spend time with a dab of this, a squirt of
that, a dribble of this, etc...)
A usual suggestion is to order up the "free samples" that are often offered at
Love-Scent site. They will give you an idea of some of the "premixed" products and an idea of the scents, although
there really isn't enough product to really do a full test, at least you can get a handle (and who knows, maybe one
will hit the big time right off...).
Personally I think one of the best first choices is something like Scent Of
Eros. It's a good "social" product that will break the ice and get you close enough for you to turn on your natural
magic, which may be all that you need. Chikara and Alter Ego are also good, decent, starter products IMO.
-none
can be tricky, and maybe even unnecessary, so I'd be hesitant to use Primal Instinct, and a bit cautious even with
NPA or The Edge, but they may be nice to have available to try out. Most "all in one" products except SOE and WAGG
already have -none in them. Pheromax is another one I kinda like, but it's expensive, and the A1 ingredient can
affect some men in negative ways. I think it's best for use once you are concentrating on specific individuals as
A1 seems to be a "mood modifier" especially with women at certain "negative" times of the month.
As for
"scented" vs "unscented" you may want to opt for the "unscented" versions if you already have some preferred cover
scents. I personally like Chikara scented, but others (like gegogi) don't. And actually I find the Chikara scent
lasts quite a while. Then again, I've also noticed that although I can still smell some scents, others around me
don't seem to notice at all. Matter of personal preference. Again the sample packs will give you some clues.
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