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Texan2006
02-20-2006, 04:18 PM
Morning All

Well at least it is morning here down under in Australia. Appreciate the help of a certain member

who just instructed me how to post a new message.

I am approximately 5 foot 8 inches, athletic build, and not

bad looking. I want to increase the number of girls that I date etc.

I am extremely new to Pheromones and as

such need to ask a couple of quick questions.

1) Which is the best off the shelf product to try straight up. I

want girls to be more interested / intrigued by me as opposed to just friendly. From the limited amount I hagve read

it would seem that SOE is enough to make girls friendly where as Primal instict is more of a power play proivided

you treat it with respect. Please tell me if this is correct?

2) Most experienced people on this forum seem to

mix a lot. Is this really important or will I still get the hits with a standard off the shelf product?

3)

Should I use scented or unscented.? Without knowing very much unscented appeals to me more as I am a big believer in

wearing quality cologne. Also, how does one put the cologne "over" the mones. Does this mean literally over or does

it mean in different positions on your body to where the mones are?

Thanks for your help in advance

Texan

Sigma
02-20-2006, 04:55 PM
Morning All



Well at least it is morning here down under in Australia. Appreciate the help of a certain member who just

instructed me how to post a new message.

I am approximately 5 foot 8 inches, athletic build, and not bad

looking. I want to increase the number of girls that I date etc.

I am extremely new to Pheromones and as such

need to ask a couple of quick questions.

1) Which is the best off the shelf product to try straight up. I want

girls to be more interested / intrigued by me as opposed to just friendly. From the limited amount I hagve read it

would seem that SOE is enough to make girls friendly where as Primal instict is more of a power play proivided you

treat it with respect. Please tell me if this is correct?

2) Most experienced people on this forum seem to mix a

lot. Is this really important or will I still get the hits with a standard off the shelf product?

3) Should I

use scented or unscented.? Without knowing very much unscented appeals to me more as I am a big believer in wearing

quality cologne. Also, how does one put the cologne "over" the mones. Does this mean literally over or does it mean

in different positions on your body to where the mones are?

Thanks for your help in advance
Texan

1)

Recommending the best straight up product is always a little difficult. Individual body chemistries, traits and

personality charactecteristics play a big role in which products work, and which don't. NPA is probably the most

popular product as far as generating a sexual response, though I hardly ever hear of it being used alone and there

are those who OD on the stuff rather easily. PI works well, though not for everyone and it has to be used with

quite a bit of care. AE is a more rounded none product, though it may lack on sexual side for some (like myself)

Again, which product works best is highly dependent on the individual, and I would recommend starting with the

beginner special to see which mones work best for you before making a major purchase.

2) Mixing is by no means

necessary, but mones are far more effective when products are mixed. For instance, while NPA delivers a nice sexual

edge, it does come coupled with an aggressive vibe, which can create a sense of awkwardness or intimidation.

Complementing NPA with something like SOE helps buffer against the negative effects of NPA, thus allowing you to

reek the benefits of higher NPA amounts, without all the awkwardness/intimidation. Other products just seem to

enhace the effects of 'primary products'(ie A1, AA314).

3) The fragrances in the phero products aren't meant

to be worn as your primary fragrance...products are usually fragranced to help cover the stench of the pheromones,

and the fragrance will fade almost completely within an hour or so. That being said, I usually cover even the

fragranced products with a cologne of choice. Though you don't necessarily have to apply cologne over the exact

spot you applied the pheromones, it would be best to apply the fragrance after you apply the mones.

Texan2006
02-20-2006, 07:01 PM
Hi Sigma

Thanks for the information. What is NPA. Also, just to confirm this site

just seems to good to be true. This forum is about attacting females(and males) by using pheromones to the end goal

of sexual relations? Also, it really does work right, otherwise all of you wouldn't be wasting your time on here,

correct?

The reason I am a little unsure is that every article I have read about attracting people using mones

has said that scientific proof is still inconclusive, or possibly someone can point me in the right direction.



Anyways, I am assuming that everyone on this site who has been a member for a month or more has had some

success.

Sigma
02-20-2006, 08:13 PM
Hi Sigma



Thanks for the information. What is NPA. Also, just to confirm this site just seems to good to be true. This forum

is about attacting females(and males) by using pheromones to the end goal of sexual relations? Also, it really does

work right, otherwise all of you wouldn't be wasting your time on here, correct?

The reason I am a little

unsure is that every article I have read about attracting people using mones has said that scientific proof is still

inconclusive, or possibly someone can point me in the right direction.

Anyways, I am assuming that everyone on

this site who has been a member for a month or more has had some success.

NPA = New Pheromone Additive.

Its an androstenone based mix much like Primal Instinct, though with half the mone content of PI, and mixed in with

some secret ingredients.

Although most of the older documentation on pheromones conclude against the role of

pheromones in human attraction and behavior, the more recent studies and articles are hinting at the fact that

pheromones play a signficant role in all of this. People periodically post these articles on the forum, so

definately pull up a search on them.

Of course jumping on the pheromone bandwagon does require a leap of faith.

Keep in mind though, that although pheromones aren't the magical love drugs that they're often marketed to be,

none of us would be here if we hadn't had our fair share of success with them. Personally, while the sexual

benefits that pheromones provide are the primary reason for wearing them, I do embrace other social advantages that

pheromones provide in a more everyday context as well.

Definately take a couple hours to read up on the forum

before you jump the gun though.

Gegogi
02-20-2006, 08:44 PM
This forum is about

attacting females(and males) by using pheromones to the end goal of sexual relations?
Sex is but one

area of human relationships effected by pheromones. Pheromones enhance all social aspects of human life: business,

romantic, sexual and friendships. So this forum is concerned with pheromone use and its impact across a broad

spectrum of human endeavors (sheesh that sounded good!). I dare say if you suck at friendships and romance you

probably won't score much poon tang. In other words, human relations are a continuum. Excel at business and

friendships and romance will be like falling off a log. It's all the same thing to me. Just add a few tweaks to

differentiate the goals of the relationship and bingo.

Like others have said, one size doesn't fit all. You

should probably experience with several products and decide which works with your body chemistry, persona and social

goals. I'd start with SOE and TE. Test separately and then in combination, increasing the dose until you find the

ideal ratios and amounts.

Finally, realize pheromones can only enhance or amp up the real you. If you're

afraid, lack confidence and negative you'll appear to be an even bigger loser. If you appear fit, confident and

positive 'mones will make you almost walk on water. So it's 90% up to you. The 'mones will give you an edge only

if you got game.

luxveritas
02-20-2006, 09:24 PM
It might actually be cool to

build a tool based on the recomendations of the experienced users which would make product recomendations based on

Age Race and Game level 1-10.

Gegogi
02-21-2006, 12:33 AM
If your game level is 1 (almost

dead) no amount or type of 'mones will help.

slickracer
02-21-2006, 12:50 AM
well some people are here for

researching and stuff. there are other people around here that uses pheromones but dson't have time to post. i have

been useing mones for about almost 2 years. i think i found what i was looking for. so i don't need to be on here

asking alot of questions and stuff. but im still around reading up on stuff. most people seem to be posting about

mixing is becuase there needs to be alot more tweaking to do with the concept of mix. so alot mroe poeple have

qustions. who knows, mabey they are jsut researching for the next product (standalone, where most people can just

buy it and use it with out any more thoughts behind it.)

i have found what i was looking for, and i use a stand

alone product and alot of personality that hleps. there is no such thing as an end to all product.

bronzie
02-21-2006, 02:53 PM
Gday fellow Aussie mate! as we

both well know Aussie girls are not as simple as splashing on some pheros and asking them if they want a drink. As

beautiful as they are, Aussie women are pretty difficult in the dating department, and ive traveled most of the

world, Europe females are a piece of cake to get a date compared to Aussie fems, and im a Aussie native, born and

raised, pretty goodlooking, a bit taller then you and athletic body.

I think to actually get the date you

must employ other tactics rather than depend on pheros, they might make you more sexually attractive, and friendlier

inititally, but this is not enough to secure the date. Each country has its own culture in what women want and are

looking for, I suggest you read up on some Ross Jeffries stuff and Robert Greene, and nothing will get you a date if

you do not have the confidence to begin with, Aussie girls I find are pretty independant and very choosy, more so

because of the countires isolation and afluence, so how really have to manuveuer yourself to meet thier needs and

what they want to hear. But I gotta tellyou something, once you get the date, PHEROS are amazing and will do

wonders, I have always had the phylosophy of get the date by technique without pheros, but once you actually get it

start wearing them each time you meet, since the rapport has already been established.

Texan2006
02-21-2006, 03:59 PM
Thanks for the

excellent advice from all. Just to let you know Bronzie I have began to read up on Ross Jefferies work about

patterns. I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you down in flames given half a

chance.

The only reason I had or have any doubts about the mones is that no one seems excited. I agree with all

of you who have said it is but one part of the overall game. The remainder of my game is not that bad, I have an

interesting personality, some intelligence, charisma etc. But to have the added bonus of mones I find extaordinary.

This is truly exciting, this to me would just give you that edge you need.

Hence, my questioning of your

excitement, I never hear or see any stories on this site about blokes scoring etc. Its all talked about in hits?

What is the point of getting a hit if you don't capitalise? I understand Gegogi's point of view about mones

touching all human endeavours etc. but I would suggest that 99 % of people who ended up at this sit in the first

place did it becasue they wanted to score. I could be wrong, have been before and will be again.

Anyway, I

really want to try them out, I have nothing to lose I guess. Worst case scenario maybe they will increase my

confidence by 10 % because of the physchological effect of wearing them.

Cheers Fellas

bronzie
02-21-2006, 04:32 PM
Thanks for the

excellent advice from all. Just to let you know Bronzie I have began to read up on Ross Jefferies work about

patterns. I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you down in flames given half a

chance.

Cheers Fellas

Brother you are true right, right on the mark, but there is a way of

getting shot down and not getting letting your ego hurt that stops you from approaching women, and that is not give

a f@%K! pardon my french...

takes some practice, but you will realise that the more practice you have the

greater you will overcome any fear of them and rejection.

ross jeffries mainly concerns with that subject

matter, others like greene are more in depth and are really about seduction, but to seduce you must have confidence

to begin with, start with ross jeffries then go read robert greene, art of seduction, amazing read,very

proffessional, almost academic.

pheros, well, i have found they do help with self confidence when you have

them on, and they do work when applied with other tactics, but they are not the magic bullet that we guys are

looking for, that comes with wisdom and experience in dealing with girls/women.

again, i stress, once you

have the girl, pheros will keep her! you can almost b an asshole, which i dont suggest any man should be, but pheros

are very powerfull, ive had DIHL, and ive dated girls and not forgetten me and calling me up months later, and i bet

its not my charm, but something that went up thier nose! pheros!

Texan2006
02-21-2006, 04:46 PM
Bronzie

The I undestand

what you are saying. However, the reason I am trying pheros is for the approach. I have no problem with the date,

close etc. I just need more prospects, I figure if these pheros do what the manufactures claim then worst case

scenario I will be able to get past the point of being shot down in flames. ie. the introduction. if pheros make me

more approachable etc. than that is all I want from them. The rest I think I can take care of. What are your

thoughts on this concept?

Cheers

bronzie
02-21-2006, 04:53 PM
As for aussie women, just tell

them you drive a saab and own your own double storey home in the inner city, that usually does the trick for a quick

date, just be prepared for the repurcusions when they find out you dont

If you want amazingly beautiful women

that look beyond material things, try going to france, spain, italy, greece and some eastern european countries, be

carefull, alot of gold diggers in some of these post communist countries, but the check republic (the most beautiful

women in the world in my opinion), because unfortunatly, you wont find too many in Australia unless you play the

supplicator

what i love best in pheros in australia, and this is a bit of a power trip, is when a girl on a

tram or train is totally unattracted to me usually when i dont have pheros applied, but stares at me with her eyes

wide open like she has been hypnotized and in love when i do, its those rare times u make ur move fast and ask for

her ph number!

Texan2006
02-21-2006, 04:59 PM
thats what I wanted to hear

Bronzie. see I can work with that. Where abouts in Australia do you live by the way?

bronzie
02-21-2006, 05:12 PM
Melbourne, but i often visit

sydney, raised on the nsw coast and melb, dated girls from most states, i find, Western Australian girls the most

honest, noble and ladylike though, and I believe the most attractive in Australia. just my opinion, but i should not

generalise, there are good women everywhere in this country of ours, you just have to seek, and after all, evolution

says that its the mans job to initiate and find the girl, so no excuse texas man, its your right by

birth!

hey, where you from? reside

Texan2006
02-21-2006, 05:23 PM
Bronzie


I should have

known you were from Melbourne using the "Tram". I am from God's country that is Brisbane, QLD. Anyway mate one more

question. What mones should I start with, from everything I read I was thinking maybe Primal Instinct and SOE. Did

you begin with the starter pack?

gaf
02-21-2006, 05:29 PM
Texan,
Don't worry about the

"unproven research" about mones , remember the director of the FDA once said that "smoking cigarettes will have no

ill effect on your health, in fact one or two a day is good for you"
I think the fact that this board is full of

"hit" stories just goes to show that they do indeed work, it's just a matter of finding the right ones for

you.
If you think aussie girls are choosy ,try NZ! I find that chikara scented (2-3 sprays) with a cover works

well at the moment, a boost with 2 dabs of PI has fantastic results in a club... The Mediteranean/Pacific

Islander/Maori girls go nuts! (I don't really hang out with many euro's so can't comment on them to any great

detail)

bronzie
02-21-2006, 05:44 PM
I find, for what you i have read

about your physical profile, your not over 6/2 foot and aggressive looking are you? well if your not, primal

instinct is the greatest product i have come across, and use it with excellent success, if you have your own cousins

hitting on you ( and thats just downright scary!!) when your wearing a product that works, you know it works! there

is one more product that is the "fine wine" of pheros that i have been using for years, but love scent does not have

it on sale here, so not to be in conflict with this forum i will not mention it, but combined with primal instinct,

this combination is really dynamite.

i wish lovescent could get it in, as the manufacturer invented and

isolated pheromones to begin with.

if u private me, il let u know the name, there is a similar product love

scent sells, which might do the trick

Texan2006
02-21-2006, 06:03 PM
Bronzie


I don't know

how to do a private post? Can you do one to me?

Thanks

Gegogi
02-21-2006, 11:28 PM
I never hear or see any

stories on this site about blokes scoring etc.
The stories about nailing poon are here, and most of us

have written a few fcuk chapters. I know I've contributed my share. Almost any man can bed a woman once he attracts

her and wins her trust. That's easy and no great mystery. The difficult part is creating sufficient attraction and

trust to make her clay in your hands. So we write about "hits."

Personally I dismiss 95% of the hits I get.

For practice, I tease them a little and move on. If I like them I might make friends. If I really like them I might

ask for more. I'm been around the block a few times and have grown extremely particular about a woman's

personality, lifestyle, race and appearance. Back in the day I would have nailed any hoochie babe but it ain't

worth the hassle anymore.

gaf
02-22-2006, 05:51 AM
Personally I

dismiss 95% of the hits I get. For practice, I tease them a little and move on. If I like them I might make friends.

If I really like them I might ask for more. I'm been around the block a few times and have grown extremely

particular about a woman's personality, lifestyle, race and appearance. Back in the day I would have nailed any

hoochie babe but it ain't worth the hassle anymore.

Me too, there's nothing more off putting than a

hottie on the outside and an ice queen underneath... I like to be the one to walk away these days, often they just

don't know what to do when they see that i'm moving on after they've realised that i don't find them all that

interesting.
Since I've been using mones I'm a lot more picky , less one nighters and more f-buddies. (well not

anymore, have met someone i want to be with for a while)

gamecity
02-22-2006, 10:40 AM
If your game

level is 1 (almost dead) no amount or type of 'mones will help.

I disagree :)
There are always girls

that take care of the game for you. The ones that approach you, flirt and seduce you. I love those women although I

get turned off when they do that. They take away the challenge. I still love them though.

Gegogi
02-22-2006, 02:13 PM
I guess it depends on how you

define "game." I think of it as your total assets: appearance, lifestyle and social skills. Obviously if you live

the lifestyle of the rich 'n famous you need less in the appearance and social skills areas. Every hoochie mama

within the city limits will be all over you. However, what you lack in appearance and lifestyle can often be

compensated for with social skills (charm, wit, confidence, etc.).

toby
02-22-2006, 02:19 PM
Just to balance some of the earlier

posts : the aussie girls in London are sweethearts :-)

CptKipling
02-22-2006, 03:57 PM
I think most people will find

that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's certainly what I've found.


I agree

that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you down in flames given half a chance.



That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found American women to be more approachable

because they were excited about your nationality.

NaughtieGirl
02-22-2006, 05:31 PM
I think

most people will find that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's certainly what I've

found.



That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found American women to be more

approachable because they were excited about your nationality.

I wholeheartedly agree. There is always

something exciting about a person from a different country/culture. Provided the culture gap is not too large.

Gegogi
02-22-2006, 09:39 PM
You're right. FOB girls really

light my torch, especially recent arrivals from Asia. They seem to be more mysterious and erotic than local girls.

They're also excited about meeting someone from a new country so it makes for a nice ride.

There is

always something exciting about a person from a different country/culture. Provided the culture gap is not too

large.
Oddly I used to dated girls so "fresh off the boat" I had to use hand signals and draw pictures to

communicate. One of them actually had an English degree from a Japanese University but I swear my terrible Japanese

was better than her English. ESL is big business on Oahu and hordes of Eastern students flock to our campuses to

glimpse American pie.

bronzie
02-23-2006, 06:04 PM
On the subject of being

attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity for you,

and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,

especially when the need requires it. Example, you will not go very far with a girl from Romania or say Russia if

she knows you are just a tourist and out to have some fun and than leave her (since these countries population have

a degree of impovrishment), and females, unless they are into short flings or one night stands, most are into a

longer term relationship. But if she thinks that you might provide her with some security you could do very well

with her.

I find this the case in every European country I have traveled too, even in my native European

country where I speak the language, most girls, in the beggining of the conversation ask if you will stay and live

here and work here, if you say no, they mostly go ice cold, if you say yes ofcourse, thier interest in you

increases.

If you want quick sex, no pheromones needed to be quite blunt, just go Ibiza, Spain Mykonons or

IOS in Greece in the JULY or August, the simple truth is, the girls go thier for that reason, and most do not want

any strings attached, but its very different if you met the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own

culture, you will get a different response from her.

Texas man, the product is called pherofragrance, do a

search, inventor is Dr Dodd

Gegogi
02-23-2006, 06:49 PM
On the subject of being

attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity for you,

and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,

especially when the need requires it.
Of course it depends on the person and the place. When I lived in

the Pac NW we were very racially segregated and even hated Canadian tourists (I haven't a clue why). We lived in

separate neighborhoods and Asians hung wih Asians, Blacks with Blacks, etc. Local Asians even looked down on the

FOBs!

I moved to Honolulu and everything changed, probably because it's a crossroad of the world, a major

tourist destination and a melting pot with for race and creed. Tourist women from every corner of the world come

here to have fun and get laid. Black or White women would rarely look at me in Seattle suddenly found me exotic in

Honolulu. I lived and performed in Waikiki for over 10 years and could get laid almost any day of the week by a

different woman. In Seattle I was lucky to score a couple times a year.

but its very different if you met

the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own culture, you will get a different response from

her.
This is probably true, especially in rural and backwards areas. Many large cities are becoming

increasingly international and values are changing. Honolulu is about as international as it get as most residents

are recent arrivals or immigrants from all over the world. Interracial and international dating is more the rule

than the exception.

Australias Hitch
02-23-2006, 09:21 PM
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate!!

Hello all, pleased to meet you!
Another fellow newbie aussie here!!

I

ordered Chikara just over a year ago and have noticed huge differences,
I only started getting these so called

'hits' when I became more opinionated, extroverted and
less of a 'bitch' (plz mind my french).

When I

started initiating conversation and becoming an 'alpha male' the Chikara was like the icing on the cake.

I use

two sprays, one under my shirt on my chest and the other on my left wrist or bicep.
I'm from Canberra which is

full of snobby public servant, resteraunt critic wannabes
and I still managed to generate 'hits' and get

laid.
So IMO go the Chikara.

(I'm 22, 5'10, 80kgs {180 pounds}) and a bit of allright.

tim929
02-24-2006, 12:11 AM
In my experience,the best way to

pick up women is to have half of your chase team on each side of them,then have the net man chase them up the center

with a net.The guy with the dart rifle stays just ahead of the rest of you and off to one side so as not to be

trampled by the wild beast as she runs by.If the dart is well placed,the net man should be able to bring down your

intended prety easily...but watch out for thier tusks,even when heavily sedated they can be realy dangerous with

those things.And male sure not to skimp on the net.You get what you pay for and a cheap net is a sure way to loose

your quarry.

Failing that,being friendly,striking up a pleasant conversation,asking her to coffee after getting

to know her alittle bit,maybe buying her a drink...the usual stuff seems to work amazingly well.There is no

substsute for "game." And there is no such thing as "game in a bottle." You just have to work on it till you get it

right.

CptKipling
02-26-2006, 01:27 PM
On the subject

of being attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity

for you, and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,

especially when the need requires it. Example, you will not go very far with a girl from Romania or say Russia if

she knows you are just a tourist and out to have some fun and than leave her (since these countries population have

a degree of impovrishment), and females, unless they are into short flings or one night stands, most are into a

longer term relationship. But if she thinks that you might provide her with some security you could do very well

with her.

I find this the case in every European country I have traveled too, even in my native European

country where I speak the language, most girls, in the beggining of the conversation ask if you will stay and live

here and work here, if you say no, they mostly go ice cold, if you say yes ofcourse, thier interest in you

increases.

If you want quick sex, no pheromones needed to be quite blunt, just go Ibiza, Spain Mykonons or IOS

in Greece in the JULY or August, the simple truth is, the girls go thier for that reason, and most do not want any

strings attached, but its very different if you met the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own

culture, you will get a different response from her.

Texas man, the product is called pherofragrance, do a

search, inventor is Dr Dodd

Those beliefs will limit you.

This will probably sting your ego, but the

reason that you don't do well with Australian women is probably that you are consistantly doing something wrong.

bronzie
02-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Those beliefs

will limit you.

This will probably sting your ego, but the reason that you don't do well with Australian

women is probably that you are consistantly doing something wrong.

CptKipling, nowhere in my posts

do I mention that do not do well with Aussie women, in fact I do very well in the dating department and without the

use of pheromones as an aid for the pick up because I undertand thier mentality to begin with. All I state is that

Aussie women are not as approachable compared with women from other Countries I have visited, and the reasons, if

you want to go into culture, history and academia stems from the days of Queen Victoria of England who enshrined

womens rights in both law and family values in Australia, hence the high degree of feminism that Australian women

posses, I am not saying this is wrong but it is a major reason for thier ambivilance and lack of enthusiasm and at

times scorn at being the object of chase.

Example, while in France I could approach a woman on the street and

ask her for a coffee without a problem, she would either smile a yes or a no, in Australia you can do the same but

most women will view this action as desperete or even creepy, and if she wants by law you could be liable for sexual

harrasment. Not so in France.

If you tried some of Ross Jeffries and other dating gurus techniques on

Australian women, they will think your a bloody fool and walk away, what works in the USA does not neccesarily mean

it will work elsewhere for the very simple reason of cultural differences,

Australian women are extrememly

sharp and not as gullible as women from other countries. My philosophy is to apply your knowledge and skill as being

a man to the culture at hand and adapt to it, otherwise you will find cultural blocks in women and in the world in

general.

As for pheromones, they work on a different level as a female biological attractant with no cultural

discrimination, they do not solve or improve any issues a man is faced with women, after he actually gets the date.



fortunatly for me, ive studied women and gender studies and sociology at an Australian university, i say

fortunatly because understanding the reason behind a collective cultural mentality gives you a sense of knowledge on

how to act and what to say to women, most guys even within thier own culture do not know why the women of thier city

do the things they do or think the way they think, hence thier frustration.

belgareth
02-27-2006, 03:15 PM
Your underestimating women in

the US. Many do fall for that DYD tripe but just as many or more laugh at it. I listen to my wife and her friends

talking about it, a lot of them are still single and see right through it. Perhaps the women in clubs are looking to

get picked up so go along with it in some cases?

CptKipling
02-27-2006, 03:45 PM
He is underestimating women all

over the world.

Bronzie, although I did confuse my last posting, the basic premise is still right.

Even

though women from France may have been more open to you asking them for coffee, that doesn't mean that what I said

here



I think most people will find that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's

certainly what I've found.

Quote:
I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you

down in flames given half a chance.


That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found

American women to be more approachable because they were excited about your nationality.

isn't true.



And just because a woman is friendlier to you it doesn't mean that she is more open to a romantic advance. You

could be having a fantastic interaction but she just isn't interested in that way.

bronzie
02-27-2006, 04:18 PM
CptKipling, im not

underestimating or generalizing, im stating what the reality is, I really dont want to provide you a bibliography on

the whole issue of culture, gender and sexual identity, but the books are out there for any man to read.

The

word Xenofriendliness is a Greek word, Xeno meaning foriegn, friend = filos meaning togetherness, and because my

background is Greek, every single summer when im not in my Beautiful Native Australia im at the Greek Islands

talking and mingling, scoring with foriegn women from all over the world, when entering a country, any country,

humans are social creatures and are drawn to thier fellow man as a kind of curiosity, it does not mean they find you

more attractive or anything other than that, unless they can gain something from you, its simple human nature.



The girls that go to the Greek islands mainly go for sex and sun and partying, and not to view the ancient

Greek ruins, as selfish as that may sound, they really dont give a sh*t where your from as long as you can fullfill

thier sexual desire and appitite on thier holiday!

See the same girl in her native homeland, and in my

experience, she is a totally different individual within the boundries of her own culture.

Australias Hitch
02-27-2006, 09:02 PM
CptKipling, nowhere in my posts do I mention that do not

do well with Aussie women, in fact I do very well in the dating department and without the use of pheromones as an

aid for the pick up because I undertand thier mentality to begin with. All I state is that Aussie women are not as

approachable compared with women from other Countries I have visited, and the reasons, if you want to go into

culture, history and academia stems from the days of Queen Victoria of England who enshrined womens rights in both

law and family values in Australia, hence the high degree of feminism that Australian women posses, I am not saying

this is wrong but it is a major reason for thier ambivilance and lack of enthusiasm and at times scorn at being the

object of chase.

Example, while in France I could approach a woman on the street and ask her for a coffee

without a problem, she would either smile a yes or a no, in Australia you can do the same but most women will view

this action as desperete or even creepy, and if she wants by law you could be liable for sexual harrasment. Not so

in France.

If you tried some of Ross Jeffries and other dating gurus techniques on Australian women, they will

think your a bloody fool and walk away, what works in the USA does not neccesarily mean it will work elsewhere for

the very simple reason of cultural differences,

Australian women are extrememly sharp and not as gullible as

women from other countries. My philosophy is to apply your knowledge and skill as being a man to the culture at hand

and adapt to it, otherwise you will find cultural blocks in women and in the world in general.

As for

pheromones, they work on a different level as a female biological attractant with no cultural discrimination, they

do not solve or improve any issues a man is faced with women, after he actually gets the date.

fortunatly for

me, ive studied women and gender studies and sociology at an Australian university, i say fortunatly because

understanding the reason behind a collective cultural mentality gives you a sense of knowledge on how to act and

what to say to women, most guys even within thier own culture do not know why the women of thier city do the things

they do or think the way they think, hence thier frustration.

Which university..?

I agree with the

'Australian women are sharp" statement but you seem to think that Australian women aren't approachable..?
:think:



I live in Canberra which is full of snobby public servants/resteraunt critic wannabes and I still find that if

you approach them and find some bs angle the high-horse money-grubbing viscard dissipates.
:drunk:

As for the

rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or Melbourne) I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in

the world.
:box:


if you want to go into culture, history and academia stems from the days of

Queen Victoria of England who enshrined womens rights in both law and family values in Australia, hence the high

degree of feminism that Australian women posses,

It seriously sounds like you need to leave the confines

of where ever it is you approach women.:kiss:
Is it a university library? :nono:
Believe me that statement is

rediculous and completely denoted
by something called 'evolution'.
:think:

Yes!, this universal

invariable has been known to change womens perceptions of dating, sex and the opposite gender with another universal

invariable known as 'time'.
:think:

Go to the Gold Coast and you'll understand

:trout:

I

also understand some people may experience difficulty spending time in front of a computer with a textbook....



CONGRATULATIONS!! :goodpost:

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Watcher
02-28-2006, 05:01 AM
being not far from the gold coast

- i will totally agree with u on their looks and the ability to net youreself some very attractive ladies to have

some fun with.

The ross jeffries approach if u use the right ones are nearly foolproof.

bronzie
02-28-2006, 11:32 AM
Which

university..?

I agree with the 'Australian women are sharp" statement but you seem to think that Australian

women aren't approachable..?
:think:

I live in Canberra which is full of snobby public

servants/resteraunt critic wannabes and I still find that if you approach them and find some bs angle the high-horse

money-grubbing viscard dissipates.
:drunk:

As for the rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or Melbourne)

I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in the world.
:box:



It seriously

sounds like you need to leave the confines of where ever it is you approach women.:kiss:
Is it a university

library? :nono:
Believe me that statement is rediculous and completely denoted
by something called

'evolution'.
:think:

Yes!, this universal invariable has been known to change womens

perceptions of dating, sex and the opposite gender with another universal invariable known as

'time'.
:think:

Go to the Gold Coast and you'll understand

:trout:

I also

understand some people may experience difficulty spending time in front of a computer with a textbook....



CONGRATULATIONS!! :goodpost:

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src="http://www.encyclopediadramatica.

com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg)">


Aussie Hitch, do I have to keep on regurgitating

what I write in posts for the sake of clarity? Nowhere did I say Australian women are not approachable, if that were

the case Australia would have a zero birth rate!!! I merely said Australian women are not as approachable as

compared to Women from other cultures and countries. Ask any man with some testosterone that has traveled through

Europe and he will hole heartedly agree with me.

[/QUOTE]As for the rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or

Melbourne) I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in the world.[/QUOTE]

Are you for

real??!!? SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE is practically Australia!!!!! And where most of the Australian population is

concentrated, if you think that the rest of Australia is somewhat superior in friendliness and approachability and

in looks, your mind is clouded and have spent way too much time in dead beat Canberra. You say Australian girls

other than the ones that live in the two main populated cities are the best looking in the world. I find this a

paradox and contradictory since most of the girls from country Australia have migrated into the big cities anyway,

namely to Syd and Melb. Anyhow, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, their will always be guys that have a fetish

and prefer overly obese women, so I respect you on that note in what you believe is beautiful..

No, I dont

approach Australian women in a library nor do I labour over text books to seek out some wisdom in the female

mentality, if you read all my previous posts you will realise this and I gained it through first hand

experience.

And yeah I have been to the gold coast, Obviously you have not been to the Island of IOS or

Santorini in Greece in July or August to see the thousands of Australian women with thier backpacks that flood those

Islands basically giving thier bodies for the night to any man that will buy them a beer. It makes schoolies week on

the gold coast and other times when the girls are "supposed" to be at thier most promiscious look like a

Nunnery.

I graduated from Melbourne University, I hear there are some good universities in Canberra, maybe

you should try out the library scene with pheromones applied! and report back to the forum.

bronzie
02-28-2006, 11:42 AM
Watcher, Ross Jeffries is a bit

of a tosser, his overall plan on trying to map the female mentality is ok, but try some of his techniques on

Australian women and you will most likely get a slap in the face, especially, the palmistry technique, you will sure

get her Palm alright! most likely across your face! and the grapho deck card technique, she either has to be a total

air head bimbo to go with that or a psycologist to observe your desperate attempts at picking up a woman. either

case you wont get very far, at least with Australian women. European women are much to sharp to fall that stuff

also.

surfs_up
02-28-2006, 02:14 PM
He's not a pickup coach though... the grapvine has some buzz on it that he's the new bossman of NLP

in town... we've communicated back and forth, I will say this, he's damned interesting as a person and pretty

non-typical... If I get the chance I will study with him... that just hasn't presented itself yet so I can't say

what his trainings are like... something about moving into a space of supercompetence. Anyway, I hope he's all

he's cracked up to be. Hate wasting time with mediocre

"genuises":

http://www.jsriggio.com/Programs/Exquisite_Intuition.asp

bronzie
02-28-2006, 02:58 PM
surfs up, these new age

lifestyle gurus are a dim a dozen and all say they are unique and one of a kind, for me they mostly seem the same

and emulate each other in one way or another, here is another guy that is supposed to be revolutionary, just like

the rest!

fact is these "gurus" follow an ancient formula of making the person first feel insecure then

giving the person through thier programs that you have to "pay for" a sense and possibility to make your life

happier! most of the things they have to say are self explanatory and natural law anyway.

dont rely on any

one person for the holy grail,

all, Anthony Robbins wannabees, in the end thier just great sales men that

make lots of money on peoples insecurities!

http://www.deidacentral.com/

luxveritas
02-28-2006, 03:02 PM
a friend of mine showed me

some stuff by david deangelo. His stuff is really logical and well thought out. You could also take every place he

says "women" and replace it with "people" and it still makes sense. It is a good way to think about all

interpersonal relationships not just with those of the opposite sex.

bronzie
02-28-2006, 03:14 PM
ive heard david deangelos

programs, again he seems to be rather like ross jeffries, he definantly is a good public speaker

if you want

to read something very intense yet unfortuantly very real to this world, i say unfortunatly, because greens work is

based on the charles darwin theory that the strongest survives, be it out of wit, read the art of seduction by

Robert Greene, he makes de angelo and the rest look like amateurs

by the way, for all the Aussies here,

author Robert Greene is Australian. read his bio, and seems he went to the most morally "dog eat dog" degenerative

place on earth to write his books, L.A, and i can honestly say he did a good job at depicting the world from that

angle.

surfs_up
02-28-2006, 10:07 PM
There is good considerable variation, some have real things to teach, some blow smoke and don't help or hurt much,

some are out to f*ck with your mind and you money.

Of all the schools of thought, the straight up NLP crew

has been about the most useful... although some can be about as exiting as watching paint dry...

I even

watched the famous Richard Bandler try his hand as a seduction coach.... it was a painful fiasco... but I have seen

Ricard do positively breathtaking work in other contexts...

The most useful skills I picked up were called

"calibration", how to carefully distinguish subtle degrees of emotional shift and adjust my emotional (and

behavioral) movements accordingly. It was like I had increased my awareness magnification by 10x and could see many

fine details of increasing or decreasing interest. My lack of success with women before that was basically that I

wasn't nearly as observant as I assumed I was... most people aren't.

A combination of acting school and NLP

together helped me flesh out my ideas about "relational space", sort of an in-rapport light trance where you deeply

hear the other person...

It turned out that the quality of listening, women get this better than men for

cultural reasons, it's like a whole body feeling of what the other person is saying (or not saying too) was the key

to the kingdom.

Women pick up super fast when you are pretending to hear them and they tune you

out.

If you don't have it wired into your perception from early childhood you need to find a good teacher

who can help with full sensory perception skills, some, not all, of the NLP instructors can help.

Like I

wrote in another post, sensing the "internal clock speed" of whoever you are talking to is critical, that's a

calibration skill, and then learning to slow your internal clock down just a notch below theirs seem to immediately

drop them into a nice communication trance. Bandler has some material that might help you with that.

These

are skills. They sound straightforward enough in theory, think of it working on your forehand when you haven't

played tennis... it takes time and an investment of energy to gracefully get the ball over the net every time and

put it where you want it in the opposite court.

Overt or external strategy based seduction ploys will NOT

work unless you have mastered the inner game skills first.

Pongo
03-01-2006, 03:03 AM
Sorry for the late reply on pickin

up chickas ~ always lift with your legs.

Australias Hitch
03-01-2006, 05:16 AM
Aussie Hitch, do I have to keep on regurgitating what I write in posts for the sake of

clarity? .

If it works?:think:


Nowhere did I say Australian women are not

approachable, if that were the case Australia would have a zero birth rate!!! I merely said Australian women are not

as approachable as compared to Women from other cultures and countries. Ask any man with some testosterone that has

traveled through Europe and he will hole heartedly agree with me.

No, no they wouldn’t, My Male friends

(who have testosterone) and I have travelled globally/locally and the best chicks to approach imo are in Australia

(and not in Sydney or Melbourne).
Imho
#1 :angel: :wub: Australia (spec. Newcastle NSW, Scarborough WA, North

Sydney NSW, Glenelg SA, Cairns/palm cove Nth Qld)

#2:box: Rio (Brazil)
#3 :box: Amsterdam/ Switzerland
#4

:kiss: Las Vegas


Are you for real??!!? SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE is practically Australia!!!!! And

where most of the Australian population is concentrated, .

No not even close, NSW and Victoria combined

roughly make up half of Australia’s population (roughly 10 mil)
not Sydney and Melbourne.:nono:




if you think that the rest of Australia is somewhat superior in friendliness and approachability

and in looks, your mind is clouded and have spent way too much time in dead beat Canberra. You say Australian girls

other than the ones that live in the two main populated cities are the best looking in the world. .



Equally as good looking, easier to approach, friendlier, more positive and hey whats your next quote say?




beauty is in the eye of the beholder, .
:thumbsup:
So all those traits previously

mentioned and their perception thereof is subjective to who we are as people individually.. right?, which means

people can have differing views on which Women are easier to approach.


their will always be guys

that have a fetish and prefer overly obese women
, so I respect you on that note in what you believe is beautiful..

.

Hmmmmm, Sigmund Freud calls that projection
Projection, which Anna Freud also called

displacement outward, is almost the complete opposite of turning against the self. It involves the tendency to see

your own unacceptable desires in other people. In other words, the desires are still there, but they're not your

desires anymore. I confess that whenever I hear someone going on and on about how aggressive everybody is, or how

perverted they all are, I tend to wonder if this person doesn't have an aggressive or sexual streak in themselves

that they'd rather not acknowledge


No, I dont approach Australian women in a library nor do I

labour over text books to seek out some wisdom in the female mentality, .

Couldv’e fooled me.:think:




if you read all my previous posts you will realise this and I gained it through first hand

experience.
And yeah I have been to the gold coast, Obviously you have not been to the Island of IOS or Santorini

in Greece in July or August to see the thousands of Australian women with thier backpacks that flood those Islands

basically giving thier bodies for the night to any man that will buy them a beer. It makes schoolies week on the

gold coast and other times when the girls are "supposed" to be at thier most promiscious look like a Nunnery.

.

Cool!, you like documentaries aswell ?
Pssssssssst Sigmunt Freud has more theories aswell?
(See

Denial, and Rationalisation)



http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.

html (http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.html)
He calls them Ego defence mechanisms:sad:

surfs_up
03-01-2006, 08:40 AM
You have to learn to see "minimal behavior" that most youthful gentlemen are too hormone intoxicated

and not well attuned to make good use of....

It is like the social world has a thick fog cast over it that

makes ordinary people blind to those things that are not screamingly obvious.... now, Mother Nature, she's a

trickster by design... because the female has to balance signaling her interest without broadcasting it on the p.a.

system...

Otherwise she's a S.L.U.T. or a lush or plain jane insane and well behaved normals will stay a

safe distance away, like any self resecting cobra knows not to dance with a mongoose.

There IS this sweet

little dance, like how bees come home to the hive and do their thing to tell the other bees where the honey is...

well, sure, there is this delicate subliminal thing that you only gradually become aware of when the girly girls are

sending out some vibrations for you to pick up on, they definitely signal interest, even if it is the most fleeting

way...

And the guy, outside of his conscious awareness, will signal back if he's interested in her being

interested... so a good player can walk into a room a read all the little signals, a major part of his success is

that he isn't wasting his time with the wrong signals...

That guy has got the equivalent of infrared vision

that can see through the fog and sense the underlying heat energy... for him pheromones are useful because they

trigger "amplification"..., the signals become more distinct, for you techs out there, the -mones increase the

signal to noise ratio, or v.v., they reduce the confounding noise somewheres between 6 dB. and 12 dB.... once

you've gone beyond about 12 dB. of selective amplification, behavior becomes too erratic and wacky, more like you

could end up in therapist mode instead of party mode...

Rbt
03-05-2006, 03:12 PM
And now to get back to the original

question that started this thread...

In terms of products, there really isn't any way other than giving them a

try. Too many variables. An off the shelf may do just fine for you, especially if the rest of your "game" is going

great. (And I know I'd ratehr just be able to "grab and go" rather than spend time with a dab of this, a squirt of

that, a dribble of this, etc...)

A usual suggestion is to order up the "free samples" that are often offered at

Love-Scent site. They will give you an idea of some of the "premixed" products and an idea of the scents, although

there really isn't enough product to really do a full test, at least you can get a handle (and who knows, maybe one

will hit the big time right off...).

Personally I think one of the best first choices is something like Scent Of

Eros. It's a good "social" product that will break the ice and get you close enough for you to turn on your natural

magic, which may be all that you need. Chikara and Alter Ego are also good, decent, starter products IMO.

-none

can be tricky, and maybe even unnecessary, so I'd be hesitant to use Primal Instinct, and a bit cautious even with

NPA or The Edge, but they may be nice to have available to try out. Most "all in one" products except SOE and WAGG

already have -none in them. Pheromax is another one I kinda like, but it's expensive, and the A1 ingredient can

affect some men in negative ways. I think it's best for use once you are concentrating on specific individuals as

A1 seems to be a "mood modifier" especially with women at certain "negative" times of the month.


As for

"scented" vs "unscented" you may want to opt for the "unscented" versions if you already have some preferred cover

scents. I personally like Chikara scented, but others (like gegogi) don't. And actually I find the Chikara scent

lasts quite a while. Then again, I've also noticed that although I can still smell some scents, others around me

don't seem to notice at all. Matter of personal preference. Again the sample packs will give you some clues.