View Full Version : Calculating/Optimal Dosages/Application
Kardz
12-31-2005, 09:19 PM
Ok, i've got a handful of questions. I've searched and haven't beenable to find a difinitive answer or one at
all to my existing questions.
On calculating mone dosages: I'm getting into precision and tweaking. I've seen
actual calculations in the past somewhere, seemed complex and scary and didn't pay much attention.
I know it's
simple, but what are the mathematical steps for calculating mone dosages? I know I need the concentration and
volume.
Example: PI/m. .5mg/ml none. A drop is 1/20 ml? I know a drop is .025mg (or so i've read) How do I
arrive at this answer?
Further, the mathematical steps on calculating the dilution of concentration of mones
with 2 or more products.
Example: PI/m .5mg/ml none and AE/m .2/.15/.1mg/ml of none/nol/rone and we'll say at a
ml of both products in this scenario.
This will be a 2 in 1 for me. How to calculate the dilution of mones and
it'll give me an example of dilution with 2 products containing the same mone.
So if someone could do these
math problems for me, and show their work with notes, i luv u long time for it.
Onto optimal dosages: Hopefully
some of the older heavyweights can give the benefit of their experiences, coz searching i've found widely varying
answers. If not optimal, then median.
None = .02 -- people widely agree this is optimal
Nol = .1 -- optimal
dosage? This would seem closer to max dosage to me. Any opinions on the optimum?
Rone = .022-.15? -- Seen this
wrong vary alot in searches.
A1 = .01? -- Haven't seen much on this one.
Beta-nol = ? -- Found a few not so
detailed threads about it, not much else.
Copulins = ? -- Don't know, might as well throw it in. This is the
only one i've listed that I don't have but I am interested in dabbling with cops.
I might have a better idea
with more of these if I wasn't doing the whole "dab here, drop there, 2 dabs here" thing and knew exactly what I
was putting on.
One confusing thing when it comes to "mixing" to me is if it actually counts as diluting if your
putting on 2 or 3 different products in different places, not premixed. It's not considered diluted, is it?
Thanks
thenoser
01-01-2006, 11:29 AM
try this excel
spreadsheet:
pheromone calculator (http://pherolibrary.com/pheromone-calculator/excel.htm)
Kardz
01-01-2006, 06:22 PM
I think i'm missing something.
I've tried to use this a small handful of times and aside from the input already in it I haven't beenable to
actually enter any input or calculate anything. Just view it and consider what information is already in there.
So either I don't know how to toggle something so I can begin calculating things, it won't work on my computer
and I have to update it, or it doesn't actually calculate. In wich case I still need to figure out how to do the
math on paper to tweak my formulas.
Thanks in advance,
Ryan
oscar
01-01-2006, 09:04 PM
Kardz,
First of all, don't bank
on all liquids following the 20 drops to the milliliter rule. Using a standard eyedropper water may comply, but
other liquids and other drop forming methods will produce a range of results. I've gotten 25-30 drops per mL for
alcohol, oil, and glycol products using a standard eyedropper, and the tiny dropper in AE's bottle runs around 50
drops/mL. The reducer caps in PI, NPA, WAGG, aA314, seem to deliver really large drops, but I've never calibrated
them.
Knowing exactly how much is in a drop is difficult and frustrating. It's almost as practical to just
experiment using dabs or drops and finding out that 6 is too much and 3 is too little. Don't make yourself crazy.
But DO go for mathematical accuracy when determining the ratios of pheromones that work for you in varying
situations.
I think you're on the right track to use milliliter increments (*at least on paper) to calculate
the phero content of mixes.
In your example, adding
.5mg A-None (in 1mL PI) to the
.2mg A-None, .15mg
A-Nol, .1mg A-Rone (in 1mL AE) gives you
__________________________________________________ _________
.7mg A-None,
.15mg A-Nol, .1mg A-Rone (in 2mL of mix)..so halve those numbers to get:
.35mg A-None, .075mg A-Nol, .05mg
A-Rone (in 1mL of mix)
Say instead that you wanted to tweak up the Nol of AE by adding
SOE (.4mg Nol,
.1mg Rone /mL).
Add:
.4mg Nol, .1mg Rone (in 1 mL SOE) to
.15mg Nol, .1mg Rone, .2mg None (in 1 mL
AE)
__________________________________________________ __________
.55mg Nol, .2mg Rone, .2mg None (in 2mL) .
Halved...
.275mg Nol, .1mg Rone, .1mg None /mL
(Note that the Rone content didn't change since both products
started with a .1mg/mL Rone content.)
*I would just use the mg/mL figures for calculating the ratios of the
mones in a mix. In reality I would only mix a few drops of each product to test it out.
I like a .02mg A-None
dose and usually try to land right at or slightly below that number. Younger guys report good results at half that.
.04mg of A-Nol is my optimal dose. I think .1mg of Nol would probably give me (and perhaps those around me) a
headache.
With A-Rone I usually go for .005 to .01mg per application, but have probably doubled that when using
aA314.
I believe you can use as much A-1 as you do A-Nol, or even more, but that's depending on whether or not it
has a negative effect on you (it doesn't bother me). At any rate I would try not to exceed .05mg per
application.
b-Nol I haven't messed with enough to give an answer.
Copulins are a bit too unpredictable to use in
any scenario where the outcome really matters in my opinion. If you're planning to experiment use an infinitesimal
quantity.
Take "dilution" into consideration only when you are actually mixing products. Upon application the
carriers become something of a non-issue (other than their scents of course) since the thing you want to pay the
most attention to is the total quantity and ratios of the pheromones you've applied.
Oscar :)
Kardz
01-01-2006, 10:30 PM
:cheers:
That
was extremely helpful, since I couldn't get that excel spreadsheet mone calculator thing to work.
Funny part
was I just made a really stupid and obvious realization after experimenting with mones for 1.5 months.
I've
been wondering how many drops/dabs I need to get the optimal dosage of x mone on my skin. (hence asking about how
much is in a drop) I knew looking at the actual figures in peoples posts or looking at the bottle it stood for
concentration, but wasn't thinknig about it in those terms when applying. So I kept OD'ing while thinking I was
using too little.
I'm so stupid, that'll save me so much aspirin from the headaches. Glad I was still asking
useful questions though.
Thanks Oscar.
If anyone has anything to add about their over all best
concentrations of A1/b-nol/cops, feel free to add something. Don't mind talking about the effects either, I know
they've been spoken about before but they cross me as the more little known mones that could have a nice little
side effect in the right mix.
Also, someone mentioned something about a "king of the world" mix in another
thread. Anyone know about that one?
Ryan
CptKipling
01-02-2006, 04:16 PM
Kardz,
Try right click and
"save as" on the spreadsheet link
Kardz
01-02-2006, 08:14 PM
Yea, it's still not working.
I'm trying to enter info under "ml ratio's" as mentioned in the directions. Both alone and in combos with other
boxes.
The only other possible things I can add are the cursor is a + sign when i'm trying to input info wich
may indicate what type of mode i'm in on the spreadsheet, a white bracket highlights the box when I click to try to
edit or input something, and when I drag-highlight everything from the 2nd box highlighted on shades blue.
That
should give you a good idea of what i'm doing or not doing.
I can't change anything anywhere. So i'm either
missing something really simple (I tend to do stuff like this even though i'm really intelligent, i swear) or I
need to update my microsoft excel. I've got XP or XP pro. Or I just have a bad setting or I haven't toggled
something.
I've messed around under the menu options, didn't see anything that would help.
Ryan
Kardz
01-02-2006, 08:23 PM
Ok, another thing to add is I've
just visited the microsoft site trying to update excel.
I try to update it and run the executable and I get a
popup that says "The expected version of the product wasn't found on my system"
So i'm guessing I have some
sample or half assed version. I'm running XP or XP pro.
But I don't know if thats the reason or not. I imagine
XP/Pro users have been able to use it without difficulty.
InternationalPlayboy
01-03-2006, 06:13 AM
Ok,
another thing to add is I've just visited the microsoft site trying to update excel.
I try to update it and
run the executable and I get a popup that says "The expected version of the product wasn't found on my system"
So i'm guessing I have some sample or half assed version. I'm running XP or XP pro.
But I don't know
if thats the reason or not. I imagine XP/Pro users have been able to use it without difficulty.
I
have the home edition of XP. I bought the computer from Dell and the software bundle didn't even include Excel, or
Microsoft Word for that matter. Instead, I received Word Perfect and its corresponding spreadsheet application. I
cannot open Excel files with the application either.
belgareth
01-03-2006, 07:25 AM
Go to
http://www.openoffice.org/ and download their suite. It does everything
office does and it's free.
Kardz
01-03-2006, 11:49 AM
Ah HA!
That open office
program worked flawlessly Belg, thanks man I appreciate it.
If anyone else uses it, and have issues inputting
stuff with macros enabled, just exit and rerun and don't enable macros. Worked PERFECTLY for me after that.
Also, thanks Oscar for the breakdown on calculating the mones.
And same to you Cpt for the attempt!
Just
got b-nol and A1 today among other things. Still looking for more thoughts on optimal dosages on some of these
products!
Going to use the figures above for a rough start out point.
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