Pherlure [Archive] - Love-Scent Pheromones Forum

catlord17

11-30-2005, 02:06 AM

Pherlure has produced results

for me in at least four women, one of which had a very low sex drive. The other three were highly sexed and all

three of them began giving major hits when exposed, without knowing I was wearing 'mones. I think the only thing I

didn't see was a butt presentation. The lower-sexed one was commenting on how I looked different somehow, and she

liked the new look, but she could not figure out what it was.

I told two of them it was pheromones and asked

what they were feeling. They both told me, without knowing eachother, the same thing: "It shuts down all thoughts

except thoughts about sex." These two, to this day, have never met or communicated.

The third zeroed in on

where I applied it and began kissing me there right in front of her boyfriend. I have also noticed definite

deference from some men, and in general a much more positive, open, and accepting response to me in general when I

wear it, applied to skin or clothes.

I also notice it boosts my mood, makes me much more self

confident.

I'm not thrilled with the marketing techniques of the company, though, and that's why I came

here. I'm testing TE now.

Mick

11-30-2005, 06:04 AM

vette & catlord: Where you wearing

it as standalone or with other pheromones?

MOBLEYC57

11-30-2005, 05:25 PM

vette & catlord:

Where you wearing it as standalone or with other pheromones?

ANNNND! How old are you two, and how many

sprays of the product do you use? :think:

Thanks! :run:

catlord17

12-01-2005, 12:49 PM

I'm 32 years old, freckled

caucasoid. I usually use 1 spray of Pherlure to my neck, but sometimes I use 2, one tomy shirt and one to my neck.

If I am feeling particularly naughty I apply one to my crotch and one to my neck.

I have APC, Pherlure and TE.

I have noted that TE covered by pherlure seems to be much less sexual than either one alone, oddlyenough, so until I

understand how TE works better, I am using them separately. I haven't used more than one spray of TE at a time

yet.

CptKipling

12-02-2005, 08:48 AM

Has anyone else seen these

results with Pherlure?

DCW

12-02-2005, 01:54 PM

I find it rather curious that only

"strangers" on the fourm are having positive results...mmmm.
I don't have it myslef just an

observation.

DCW

DUKE3100

12-02-2005, 02:07 PM

True....but at least they are

not making ridiculous and immature statements like "This girl kissed me out of no where in front of her

boyfriend"....

HINT>> HEAVY SARCASM

MOBLEYC57

12-02-2005, 05:10 PM

I find it rather

curious that only "strangers" on the fourm are having positive results...mmmm.
I don't have it myslef just an

observation.

DCW

Dimmit, DCW! :trout: I was trying my best not to say anything, but since you

open your big mind ... YEAH! That's what I've been noticing for quite some time ... people coming from out

of no where posting on certain products for their first post. :trout: DISTRIBUTORS? :blink:

If ONLY they

worked! :frustrate

CptKipling

12-02-2005, 06:26 PM

I find it rather

curious that only "strangers" on the fourm are having positive results...mmmm.
I don't have it myslef just an

observation.

DCW

My thoughts exactly, but I am interested if anyone else with positive results

speaks up.

NaughtieGirl

12-03-2005, 05:41 PM

My

thoughts exactly, but I am interested if anyone else with positive results speaks up.

I can't say I

have had positive results with Pherlure by itself. I'm just a mone junkie and I'm always wearing more than one or

2 products at a time.

But there is something "Je ne sais quoi" about the scent of the women's version. I love

it! It's up there with my most favorite perfume! Coincidence --- or something more? I use it as a cover scent for

some of the other mones.

jvkohl

12-07-2005, 01:08 PM

My thoughts

exactly, but I am interested if anyone else with positive results speaks up.

I scanned their site and

couldn't find anything to support claims that di-dehydroepiandrosterone is a pheromone. If a university study had

been done on this compound, I would have at least been able to find something other than comments on a marketing

site. The marketing attempt also includes the human VNO approach, which has been decidedly dropped from olfactory

research pursuits by any researcher who does not have a financial stake in making false claims about how pheromones

work.

Similarly, Winnifred Cutler (Athena products) originally claimed (early 90's) that

dehydroepiandrosterone was the active ingredient, before claiming the ingredients were secret, and would not be

divulged until she received her patent. No further word on her patent or the ingredients in the past

decade.

It is apparent that the folks at Pherlure are scamming everyone they can--just like many companies

who promote pheromone products. If any of you take a serious look at their links, and find anything they say to be

legit (supported by published scientific evidence or patent info) please let me/us know.

Perhaps I missed

something; but I doubt it. There has never been any indication that dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is a pheromone,

much less supporting that two moledules of DHEA linked together: Di-DHEA would have pheromonal

properties.

Are there other marketing "strangers" out there that would like to debate

this?

JVK

jvkohl

12-07-2005, 01:13 PM

...Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone actually is the only pheromone that i now of to be a proven

human pheromone bij a university.

Who did the study; where were the results published? Even if your

link worked, it would not provide any info that could be verified. Who do you think you're

kidding?

JVK

NaughtieGirl

12-07-2005, 02:23 PM

Who did the

study; where were the results published? Even if your link worked, it would not provide any info that could be

verified. Who do you think you're kidding?

JVK
(http:///)

Euhm - jvkohl, I'm not refuting

anything you said. My personal knowledge is too limited.

But I seriously doubt that Pherlure would recruit

marketing strangers in Dutch speaking countries. (I'm refering to Jan_123456)

Respectfully - NG

catlord17

12-07-2005, 03:18 PM

I'm not distributing Pherlure

- yet. I'm just doing personal testing to see which pheromone products I am going to be distributing come the

opening of my webstore. And I honestly don't know that di-dehydro-epiandrosterone is a pheromone or what... but I

can only conclude what my eyes see when it comes to results. I am sure some of what I have said is hard to believe,

and my status as newcomer doesn't help my credibility, but I'm not interested in selling the stuff when I make the

comments I do about it. I'm just reporting what I have experienced. And everything I have said is

true.

The fact is, even if it had no effect on anyone else, I'd still be wearing it because:

1. I

really like how it smells, and
2. It affects my mood. It gives me a lot more confidence than I usually have.

And I don't think that's a placebo effect because when I have worn only TE or APC, I have no such

response.

I'm planning to be a reseller for Love Scent products, since I admire the open, honest approach

Bruce uses. Pherlure's parent company uses advertising methods I don't particularly like or respect, but then

again, I have personal experience with results from their product. Not sure if I am going to resell it, but only

because I think their marketing methods are sleazy.

So, for those of you who are skeptical of my comments and

statements, I can respect that. But again, as I said... I can only relate to you what I have seen with my own

eyes.

And by the way, about the woman who started kissing my neck out of the blue, I believe I mentioned

she's been trying to get with me for the last three years. It wasn't a cold turkey hit from a complete stranger.

And yes, not only was her boyfriend watching, but so was her son, and the mother of her son's child, and a small

group of other people.

Yes, it really happened. But it wasn't a cold turkey hit by far - although there

was no alcohol involved.

ilana612

12-07-2005, 08:24 PM

Hello....I am

relatively new to this site, and to pheromones in general. My first "pheromone experience" was with Pherlure, when

my good friend you all know as Catlord17 let me sniff his bottle. I can assure you, it definitely works! Lol. At

least, it certainly had an effect on me. Smelling his pherlure is what got me interested in pheromones, and what

prompted me to place an order here- and already i am hooked and buying more! Heheh.

Anyway, just wanted to

share my experience and say hi and all. I have really been enjoying reading through the forums.....i think

pheromones are fascinating!

Bye for now....

jvkohl

12-07-2005, 10:17 PM

Anyway, just

wanted to share my experience and say hi and all. I have really been enjoying reading through the forums.....i

think pheromones are fascinating!

As fascinating as pheromones are, there still are criteria for

marketing products. In this case, the marketers tell us what's in it--a point in their favor, but only if someone

else (preferably a researcher) has indicated that Di-DHEA is a pheromone. The claim that it acts via the VNO is

ridiculous, but expected of marketers who have no idea what they're talking about. So far, only the pheromones

patented by Erox/Pherin corp. folks have been shown to act on the VNO, and the studies that showed this action have

been called into question by the vast majority of olfactory researchers. Di-DHEA is not mentioned in the context of

a pheromone in any peer-reviewed literature, so who decided to call it a pheromone?

University tested in

another marketing buzz word, but if you try to find out anything about this "University testing" you find nothing

but a claim that it was university tested. Nothing to back up the claim.

It's troubling to see Forum

members fall for such a blatant marketing scam.

JVK

catlord17

12-07-2005, 10:50 PM

As fascinating

as pheromones are, there still are criteria for marketing products. In this case, the marketers tell us what's in

it--a point in their favor, but only if someone else (preferably a researcher) has indicated that Di-DHEA is a

pheromone. The claim that it acts via the VNO is ridiculous, but expected of marketers who have no idea what

they're talking about. So far, only the pheromones patented by Erox/Pherin corp. folks have been shown to act on

the VNO, and the studies that showed this action have been called into question by the vast majority of olfactory

researchers. Di-DHEA is not mentioned in the context of a pheromone in any peer-reviewed literature, so who decided

to call it a pheromone?

University tested in another marketing buzz word, but if you try to find out anything

about this "University testing" you find nothing but a claim that it was university tested. Nothing to back up the

claim.

It's troubling to see Forum members fall for such a blatant marketing scam.

JVK

It's not a matter of falling for a scam, James...

Honestly I don't care if it's a pheromone or not - all I can say is, however and whyever it works, it has the

intended effect. Believe me, I was aware of the BS advertising when I ordered it. I'm responsible for doing the

advertising of my company, and I know what to look for because I have studied the advertising styles of a lot of

different companies. Theirs screams BS. That's why I was so surprised when it worked. But instead of believing

what I saw at their website, or what someone else told me, I decided to try it for myself and see with my own two

eyes. That is to say, I'm a skeptic by nature.

Interestingly, thus far, the only other product I have

tried that seems to have a similar effect is SOE... which if I remember correctly, was formulated by you!

Pherolover

12-08-2005, 12:00 AM

Hey everyone,
I think

I'll add my 2 cents here as well on Pherlure. I was skeptical at first so I decided to try just 1 bottle since I

heard from a very credible source that Pherlure did indeed work. When I got the bottle I went to a university

bookstore nearby and gave myself a couple of sprays before I walked in and I immediately got the DIHL look from an

extremely hot, tall, cosmo magazine European looking babe who was on her cell phone walking around and talking but

always coming back in my direction and there was definitely ALOT of eye contact between us! I got this same reaction

along with compliments on how I smelled from some other women as well but not from every woman who was near me when

I wore it. It's been my experience that there is definitely something to Pherlure. Anyway, I went ahead and ordered

some more because I was so impressed with the first bottle. BTW, I used it stand alone with no other fragrance to

cover it up and it has a nice scent which seemed to project very well and not dissipate too quickly. When I got my

second order in though I took a bottle and went to field test it and I got no hits at all after wearing it over the

course of a couple of days - also there was a difference in the strength of the scent; it wasn't as strong or as

long lasting, so what I did was to mix the rest of that bottle with APC and for some reason I started getting the

looks and smiles again so I have to say that for some reason it is hit or miss. (Now, mind you that the APC I mixed

it with was 4 years old still in a sealed bottle that I never opened.) I do know that APC alone did not get me many

hits at all except for one girl I was making out with one time who told me that my scent was turning her on. I mixed

Pherlure with Realm with no results and I also tried it with Jovan Musk and the Pherlure pretty much killed the

scent of the musk and once again no results with that combo. I also wonder if pheromones effect a woman differently

at different times of the month for her. I am a newbie who has just ordered some of Bruce's products to see what

effect they will have when I mix them with Pherlure. I'm hoping to come up with a great mix and if so I'll share

it with the forum. Let me say also that even though I am new to this forum that I have no connections to the company

that makes Pherlure and that this has been my honest experience with it.
Pherolover

DCW

12-08-2005, 06:15 AM

Hey everyone,

I think I'll add my 2 cents here as well on Pherlure. I was skeptical at first so I decided to try just 1 bottle

since I heard from a very credible source that Pherlure did indeed work. When I got the bottle I went to a

university bookstore nearby and gave myself a couple of sprays before I walked in and I immediately got the DIHL

look from an extremely hot, tall, cosmo magazine European looking babe who was on her cell phone walking around and

talking but always coming back in my direction and there was definitely ALOT of eye contact between us! I got this

same reaction along with compliments on how I smelled from some other women as well but not from every woman who was

near me when I wore it. It's been my experience that there is definitely something to Pherlure. Anyway, I went

ahead and ordered some more because I was so impressed with the first bottle. BTW, I used it stand alone with no

other fragrance to cover it up and it has a nice scent which seemed to project very well and not dissipate too

quickly. When I got my second order in though I took a bottle and went to field test it and I got no hits at all

after wearing it over the course of a couple of days - also there was a difference in the strength of the scent; it

wasn't as strong or as long lasting, so what I did was to mix the rest of that bottle with APC and for some reason

I started getting the looks and smiles again so I have to say that for some reason it is hit or miss. (Now, mind you

that the APC I mixed it with was 4 years old still in a sealed bottle that I never opened.) I do know that APC alone

did not get me many hits at all except for one girl I was making out with one time who told me that my scent was

turning her on. I mixed Pherlure with Realm with no results and I also tried it with Jovan Musk and the Pherlure

pretty much killed the scent of the musk and once again no results with that combo. I also wonder if pheromones

effect a woman differently at different times of the month for her. I am a newbie who has just ordered some of

Bruce's products to see what effect they will have when I mix them with Pherlure. I'm hoping to come up with a

great mix and if so I'll share it with the forum. Let me say also that even though I am new to this forum that I

have no connections to the company that makes Pherlure and that this has been my honest experience with it.

Pherolover

If the product is working for you as a standalone, why do u need to

mix it...mmmmmmmm?

DCW

catlord17

12-08-2005, 07:28 AM

What I don't understand is

how it could work for the first bottle and not work for the second... those are some odd results.

In my case, if

I mix it, it seems to work less well. Mixing with TE produces much less response for a much shorter period of

time.

Still no sign that TE is getting me hits by itself, though... I'm not sure if I need more or what, still

using 1-2 sprays.

This report of the first bottle working and the second one not makes me wonder if maybe they

only ship active ingredient to new customers?

Visionary7903

12-08-2005, 02:27 PM

Pherolover

12-08-2005, 04:09 PM

Hi,
To answer DCW's

inquiry, I would not have had any reason to mix it if the 2nd bottle worked as good as the first one did - this was

the reason I mixed it with APC because I got absolutely no hits with it stand alone at all but once I mixed it with

the APC I started to get results again close to but not exactly the same. To respond to catlord17 I was thinking the

same thing: that they may only put enough of the active ingredient in it to get a new customer to buy more and once

the customer does buy more they get a less effective product. Kind of like the old bait and switch game that

department stores used to use on customers. But they also offer a money back guarantee if you're not satisfied so

on the surface it wouldn't seem to make sense that they would do that if they had to refund people's money so I

really don't know what's up when it comes right down to it.

Pherolover

jvkohl

12-08-2005, 07:43 PM

All these

'testimonials' are from newbies. When people who have had 500+ posts on the forum or have been here for a year or

more, only when they post that the product works will I be interested. Maybe the company that distributes the

product can give free small bottle samples of the product to some experienced and reputable forum members to test

and post their feedback. And if it works we can get Bruce to sell it.

Visionary

Bruce is

unlikely to sell such a product; he's not into scamming and never has been. When a company goes to the degree this

one has to misrepresent its product, it sends a clear signal to anyone who is legit. Regretably, this thread is

bringing more attention to the product than it deserves. My comments were not intended to contribute to any debate.

If it were up to me, I would pull the thread, and monitor for repeat mention by any "strangers." I'm against

censorship, but I'm not comfortable reading any more attention-grabbing garbage about the product (certain posts

excepted).

JVK

oscar

12-08-2005, 07:59 PM

When I Googled

"Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone" the only result that I got that even looked like a clinical study was this:

http://www.wondersinscience.com/arch

ives/2005/0207/novelpheromone.html (http://www.wondersinscience.com/archives/2005/0207/novelpheromone.html)

Taken at face value, that abstract might lead one to conclude that

Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone, when applied to the skin over a 12 week period, would in fact raise plasma blood

pheromone levels and increase one's sexual attractiveness.

However, there may be those among you who, like

myself, DO NOT take things at face value. Even if you were willing to apply a product for several weeks to see

results, you may still have some questions. For instance, you might ask, "Why would a major research facility like

the University of Chicago conduct what would obviously have been a very expensive clinical study using a commercial

pheromone product rather than sourcing it from a reputable "Bio-Chem" supply company?"
Additionally you might ask,

"Why aren't the authors of that study credited on that abstract?"

I didn't know the answers to these

questions.

So I decided that the answers might be in the study itself.
Going to the "Search" option on this

page : http://socialsciences.uchicago.edu/ and entering

"Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone", I was disappointed to find that "Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone - did not match any

documents.", as you can see here:

http://www.google.com/u/uchicago?q=Di-

Dehydroepiandrosterone&sa=Search (http://www.google.com/u/uchicago?q=Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone&sa=Search)
(If you're doubtful whether this search function accesses the scientific

database, try entering "pheromone" or just plain "Dehydroepiandrosterone" and you'll see that it does.)

Not

fully convinced that it may have been an oversight that this abstract had not been entered into the University of

Chicago's database, I ran the term "Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone" on a Google Scholar search":

http://scholar.google.com (http://scholar.google.com/) .
Again, "Your search -

Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone - did not match any articles. "

(http://sch

olar.google.com/scholar?q=Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search))

I then ran

several of the key phrases from the (alleged) abstract that appears near the top of this post through both the U of

C search and Google Scholar, and still didn't come up with any hint that this study, or in fact ANY study on

"Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone" was ever conducted.

So, as it so often happens in the pursuit of truth, I find

myself puzzled by even MORE questions than I started with. Does Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone actually exist? Is it

conceivable that a pheromone company would concoct a bogus abstract to try to promote their product?

But the

bottom line question on this forum would of course be, "Is Pherlure any good?"
My answer would be simple. I don't

know. I haven't tried it.

Oscar :)

Pherolover

12-08-2005, 09:26 PM

The only question I have left

is why does it get hits for me if there were absolutely no merit to it? There has to be something in it to get

myself and other guys hits. Maybe they are just not disclosing exactly what is in it for fear of other people

duplicating their formula and they are claiming some type of substance they have named "Di-dehydroepiandrosterone".

Just a thought...

Pherolover

12-08-2005, 09:46 PM

Just because you can't seem

to find any research on it nor can you explain why it does in fact get some people hits is no reason to write it off

as a scam. ALso just because I am new to this forum and hence a "stranger" is that any reason to discount my

experience and honest reporting of that experience with the product? Does your product constantly get hits for every

person who wears it 100% of the time? And how exactly can you call it a scam when in my experience it does get hits?

I may be new here but you seem to be rather condescending vs. trying it to see what your results are. Why not try

having a little respect for the experience of others and their right to post in the forum no matter what length of

time they have been in the forum.
Pherolover

Bruce is unlikely

to sell such a product; he's not into scamming and never has been. When a company goes to the degree this one has

to misrepresent its product, it sends a clear signal to anyone who is legit. Regretably, this thread is bringing

more attention to the product than it deserves. My comments were not intended to contribute to any debate. If it

were up to me, I would pull the thread, and monitor for repeat mention by any "strangers." I'm against censorship,

but I'm not comfortable reading any more attention-grabbing garbage about the product (certain posts excepted).

JVK
(http:///)

catlord17

12-08-2005, 09:47 PM

There's really no point

discussing it any further. Everyone's already made up their minds. To summarize, the advertising is apparently

bogus, so the product cannot possibly have any effect. To hell with empirical evidence! These "strangers" don't

know their heads from a hole in the ground when it comes to noticing people acting differently than normal around

them - never mind being able to detect effects on themselves.

I think that was the gist of it, anyway.

Besides, it's a competing product, so why bother discussing this further? My point in discussing it at all wasn't

to advertise someone else's competing product, but to share my experiences. Since I'm a fool for being so easily

scammed, I suppose I'll just have to keep my experiences with it to myself. Since my experiences have been very

positive, this really doesn't bother me. I'll take my empirical evidence over your scientific data any

day.

And on that note, Bruce would probably appreciate it if we let this thread die...

Pherolover

12-08-2005, 09:59 PM

I'm with you catlord - I'll

take my empirical evidence in the form of a woman's gaze and touch over anyone's "scientific data" any day of the

week!!!

There's really no point discussing it any further. Everyone's already made up

their minds. To summarize, the advertising is apparently bogus, so the product cannot possibly have any effect. To

hell with empirical evidence! These "strangers" don't know their heads from a hole in the ground when it comes to

noticing people acting differently than normal around them - never mind being able to detect effects on

themselves.

I think that was the gist of it, anyway. Besides, it's a competing product, so why bother

discussing this further? My point in discussing it at all wasn't to advertise someone else's competing product,

but to share my experiences. Since I'm a fool for being so easily scammed, I suppose I'll just have to keep my

experiences with it to myself. Since my experiences have been very positive, this really doesn't bother me. I'll

take my empirical evidence over your scientific data any day.

And on that note, Bruce would probably appreciate

it if we let this thread die...

catlord17

12-08-2005, 10:34 PM

Empirical evidence really

doesn't say anything unless it's collected in a reasonably controlled fashion. The scientific method is designed

to weed out personal opinions from people who want to believe before they see evidence. The problem is that even

scientists fall victim to the desire to fit everything into their pre-conceived model of How It Is. This is why we

have "breakthroughs" every so often where some poor genius gets credit for something big after he's dead - because

nobody in the scientific community wanted to listen while he was alive.

My experiences are not scientifically

valid unless I follow a rigid protocol, and I understand this. Not only that, but I have not had a long time to

test and re-test. However, as far as informal experiments go, I have made efforts to observe without influencing.

It seems to me that getting the exact same response from women who have never met or spoken with one another in

response to "What is your response to my cologne?" - without having ever been informed of the other's response - is

a point in favor of what they say being true. That's just one example. I've had a number of experiences that

really surprised me with Pherlure, mainly because I'm skeptical myself. But I'm also open minded. And after

having had the experiences that I have, my conclusion - until I see real life evidence to the contrary - is that it

has the desired effect.

So when I say I'll take my empirical data over "scientific data", I am not

disparraging science, as it may seem. I'm simply stating that I believe that anything viewed with a closed mind

cannot be seen as it really is. Scientists should approach things with an open mind and a neutral attitude, even if

they have a working hypothesis. This doesn't happen as much as it should probably, but c'est la vie. The fact

is, until we experiment, a lot, we don't know. If we don't know, we cannot reasonably draw conclusions. Have you

tested this stuff out in any of your own experiments, James? Honestly, I'd love to see you do some double blind

experiments where you monitored the body temp, heart rate, breath rate and brain activity of women and men while

they are experiencing pherlure, and for that matter, androstenone, androsterone, etc. That would be absolutely

fascinating.

It's really not worth arguing. If you see results, use it. If not, don't. I have nothing to

gain if you don't, and I really couldn't care less either way. I just would appreciate it if I wasn't looked

down upon for trying to add my two cents.

Pherolover

12-08-2005, 10:44 PM

I agree 1000%. There is no

reason anyone here should be looked down upon for their opinions.

belgareth

12-09-2005, 02:12 AM

Pherolover and Catlord:

Lighten up. I agree that some of the posters here were unaccountably rude to you and for that I apologise on their

behalf. It's unfortunate that some people see the world through a very narrow tunnel and lack any form of manners.

At the same time, you will have to accept a large dose of scepticism. You come on the forum as a newbie with no

reputation here talking about something that nobody else knows about and that what little science can be found seems

to contradict you and expect people to take it at face value? That's a little unrealistic, isn't it? I hope you

didn't expect everybody to take it as gospel.

You want a suggestion? Do some semi-rigid tests and report the

results in a meaningful fashion. Don't make any claims just report results of tests. Give us more than a very few

personal experiences to work with. There are a lot of people here that will be willing to look at a product on those

terms without pre-judging it. You'll still get the nay-sayers but others will read the material with interest and

might even respond.

Bruce

12-09-2005, 08:22 AM

To be perfectly honest, the reason I

haven't given much thought to carrying the product is that I am drowning in spam email selling Pherlure. That is 2

strikes against it right there. If they are officially propounding misinformation that would pretty much seal it.

I haven't looked into it though, so I can't say if they are or aren't doing that, but every day I have to delete

a half dozen Pherlure spam emails from my inbox, is another day I don't check it out. On the other hand, we have

carried other low-phero products for years mainly because they smell very good and mix well with unscented

pheromones.

B

surfs_up

12-09-2005, 08:44 AM

you shake your head in disbelief... the combination of brazen lies

and absurd stupidity... that creates a towering wall for an honest broker to climb, there are honest well meaning

vendors, all too often it is a case of Gresham's law, the bad will drive out the good... case in point here,

somebody might make decent product but the normal goodwill has been burned out by the liars, there is an epidemic of

shilling too, I even think now there are shill services, companies that patrol around for bulletin boards, amazon

postings, anything, and routinely saturate the discussions with ad copy disguised as personal opinion. I've sure

seen this happen on Amazon.com, where if you put up a negative but reasonable criticism of an author (particularly

in the self help or motivational genre) out of the blue there would be five or six reviews bursting with canned

enthusiasm, sufficient to push your commentary off the page. If you came back with another one another five of six

would magically appear within 2 days.... so it looks like there is a professionalised "astroturf" ( i.e. bogus

grassroots) public relations industry contaminating every business, not only this one.

jvkohl

12-09-2005, 08:18 PM

.... so it looks

like there is a professionalised "astroturf" ( i.e. bogus grassroots) public relations industry contaminating every

business, not only this one.

Thanks for stating the obvious. I will add that there is a difference

between empirical evidence (contolled study not supported by anyone associated with unknown ingredients or a known

product--one that could potentially be replicated) and anecdotal evidence (it worked for me!). Nearly everything

that's posted to the Forum is anecdotal, but frequently the anecdotal evidence is supported by empirical data (at

least with SoE).

Here's an example of "anecdotal," no matter how much empirical data you may think supports

it.

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=051209&cat=frontpage&st=frontpage2020_pheromones_051209&

src=abc

The twin experience reported is from an uncontrolled experiment with a compound that still is

unknown (though Cutler herself said it's DHEA). Cutler has gotten more mileage out of this decade old scam than I

could ever have imagined. Then, out of the blue, someone did the same thing with SoE products in a broadcast "The

Aphrodisiac Test" which aired on the UK channel 5 November 10th. I had no idea why my site traffic increased

astronomically, and at first, was not pleased to learn of the "aphrodisiac" connection, since SoE products make no

claim of being aphrodisiacs. But do I mind the free advertising? Not too much.

I've made some contacts who

saw the show and were impressed when they looked at (and Love-Scent.com) to find that we're not

scamming anyone; there's empirical data to support everything I've said--and not all of it comes from me (like

Cutler's garbage). So, people are complimentary and repeatedly have said that my approach seems much more

reasonable compared to other product marketing scams that make most of Europe laugh at the concept of human

pheromones--because the concept has been bastardized by ridiculous marketing claims.

If I seem a bit harsh

with regard to the strangers, all of the above should be reason enough. At least a few of the long-term Forum

participants have done their homework, which is what I recommend the "strangers" do. Hopefully, the "strangers" will

realize the difference between marketing scams and what's going on here on the Forum (discussion of products and

results). It shouldn't take long to recognize the difference, and get rid of any "contaminants".

Pherlure

and Athena = marketing scam, SoE and other Love-Scent products = conceptualized from empirical data.

Of

course, I'm biased by the empirical data. That doesn't mean Forum members are likely to disregard it. But then,

they're not "strangers" either.

JVK

catlord17

12-10-2005, 01:25 PM

Now that you say marketing

scam, I am following you better, James. It is a marketing scam, even if you don't take into account the lack of

scientific data they claim to have. Just their advertising style is indicative of a marketing scam.

One thing I

have been contemplating, as a potential distributor, is how I responded to Love-Scent.com versus the Pherlure

website. Pherlure's website is obviously trying hard to control what information is available to the consumer, and

they keep a tight leash on it. That's frustrating when you try to find out more, as I did. But I purchased it not

because I was "taken in", but because I wanted to try it out for myself. I believe that if I am going to potentially

sell something, I should know about it, and I didn't want to sell something I did not know worked.

Now with

love-scent's products, I would probably not have bought what I have if there was not this forum. This forum speaks

volumes for the real value of what is being sold here. It says, "We know this is for real, and we don't mind

letting anyone who wants to discuss their experiences with it." That is why I decided to purchase from love-scent,

since some of the products were a bit more than I wanted to spend. I was impressed enough by the confidence this

forum shows in the product to be persuaded to buy regardless.

I have also been thinking that such a forum would

be good for my own web store when I open it.

Honestly, after having the experiences I have had from pherlure, I

don't know why they would be using scam techniques to sell the stuff, but maybe this is the prodct of a greedy

mind. I've noticed that greedy corporate types often put into effect practices that might produce gain in the short

term, but result in disaster in the long term. Would you guys have a different opinion of pherlure if they'd gone

about selling it in a more "normal" way, even without having tried it yourselves?

At this point, I'm pretty sure

I want to resell Bruce's offerings, but I'm still iffy on Pherlure, because their marketing methods balance out

the positive results I have had with it.

I'm not an astroturfer. Perhaps a little amazed at my results, and

maybe a bit enthusiastic to report them... but I'm not an astroturfer. I really wish I was getting the same sort of

results from TE, but so far I've had almost nothing in terms of response from TE alone, at one spray or two - at

least, nothing I cannot be sure wasn't a placebo effect. I'm sure it would help to do more tests in more

environments, and that's what I plan to do... I have seen what happens when a woman with an average or high sex

drive encounters pherlure with and without the influence of alcohol, but I have not had that opportunity with TE

just yet.

SOE I tried only once and I did notice results along the lines of women being much more talkative and

positive, similar to how my family members responded to Pherlure on this last Thanksgiving. If I can get consistent

results from SOE, it'll be worth every bit as much to me. Breaking the social ice is my downfall. Once it's

broken, I usually have quite the time. That seems to be the biggest, most consistent result I get from Pherlure -

people in general are more admiring, positive and open towards me.

I'm going to try to document my experiments

better and reproduce them. That should give me better ammunition for you guys. Any suggestions on how to do my

experiments?

DUKE3100

12-10-2005, 01:34 PM

catlord17

12-10-2005, 01:42 PM

I will give

you two this.....(pherolove and catlord17) you dont give up without a fight thats for sure. I wish the products

results were as good as your determination and debating skills! No quit in ya....its like a football team that

fights to the end even when they are losing by 50 points! lol

Obviously, for me, they have been - that's

why I haven't caved. Why back down when I believe I'm right? Of course I'm not so interested in just pherlure

as you probably think based on this thread. I'm more interested in getting a feel for all these pheromones.

I

presume you tried it and didn't get very good results?

One way or the other, time will tell.

DUKE3100

12-10-2005, 02:04 PM

Obviously, for

me, they have been - that's why I haven't caved. Why back down when I believe I'm right? Of course I'm not so

interested in just pherlure as you probably think based on this thread. I'm more interested in getting a feel for

all these pheromones.

I presume you tried it and didn't get very good results?

One way or the other, time

will tell.

I have gotten some results from it but it is usually hostility!! At best it gets me attention

but it totally throws me off my game cause girls are mad or vindictive or grabbing me! Its not like I am rude or say

anything at all or bring it on myself either....its out of the blue...and usually there is no reaction at all. I

have been bitten on my chest while wearing the stuff...a far cry from the uncontrolled smooching some strange girl

did to my neck when I had on ae!

catlord17

12-10-2005, 10:58 PM

Oh, so now you're reporting

neck smooching, but I'm supposed to believe that when nobody believes MY neck smooching story? lol

I would

have to chalk your experiences up to a different phero signature. I know too much 'none makes people aggressive,

but what would too much Di-DHEA do? Is it a relative of androsterone? Have any sort of similar effect? I have not

tried to "OD" on pherlure, but I did spray it directly on my face once. It definitely caused me to become very

confident in myself. I only used one spray though.

Johnny Bravo

12-10-2005, 11:05 PM

catlord17

12-10-2005, 11:25 PM

I doubt

the smell of fresh baked bread or the smell of cinnamon rolls are pheromones, but they sure can change someones

mood.

Does something have to be technically classified as a pheromone to be able to induce a change in brain

chemistry via the nose? I dont think so.

This is not a black and white world; there are a lot of grey areas, and

a lot of things we dont know.

If it works, it works. Although I have no experience with this

product.

Scent affecting mood usually has to do with memories associated with those scents. I had never

encountered the particular scent they use in Pherlure before I ordered this bottle. Therefore, no associated

memories.

Furthermore, my favorite cologne isn't far from the scent of pherlure. It does not produce any

emotional response in me that I know of. I just wear it because it smells good to me.

Whatever the active

ingredient in pherlure is, it has an immediate and pronounced effect on me and those friends of mine who have

smelled it. As I said before, I have had two women literally try to steal the bottle out of my hands after being

allowed to smell the sprayer (without knowing what it was).

Rbt

12-12-2005, 09:19 AM

There is always the danger of the

placebo effect. Pheromones are just one part of the equasion, attitude and how you carry yourself is another. One

may unconsciously primp and preen or carry themselves differently when "testing" a product. Or if nothing else, be

working harder at trying to find some evidence of the product's effectiveness.

I like to alternate between

prodcuts over time and in different situations to see if any firm pattern can be seen. It can take a frustratingly

long time, and so much is indeed subjective.

Ideally I suppose one should do a "double blind" type study,

including times when you don't wear any products and times when you wear something that "feels" (smells, applies,

etc) like a pheromone product but contains no pheromones at all. You'd need to enlist the aid of someone to make up

the various test vials and track the results for you.

Just some thoughts.

PS I love that term "astroturfers"

for fake grassroots opinions. Not heard that one before, but will be adding it to my lexicon.

Pherolover

12-12-2005, 09:06 PM

Has anyone created a mix

using both the chem set androstenone and the chem set androsterone and if so what have your results been? I recently

received my order for these 2 mones and I will be mixing it with Pherlure to see what kind of response I get. I will

post my results here when they become available but I could use a little feedback if anyone has tried this (without

using Pherlure) as to amounts used, masking scents, additional mones, etc.

Pherolover

12-19-2005, 08:25 PM

To anyone who's

interested:
I mixed chem set Androstenone with APC and Pherlure and I've gotten hits from women in the form of

DIHL's, circling behavior, stares and sneaking peeks, and them smiling and striking up conversations with me. One

lady last night in a coffee shop even asked me to rub her back after a little small talk which I gladly did. I

notice that when I added the chem set Androstenone to the mix it took away from the strength of the scent of the APC

but it didn't seem to effect the results I got. When I mixed APC, AndrosteRone and Pherlure my results were a

little different. It seemed like the results I got were more of a warm nature with women who I've seen a number of

times who were previously cold or acted like I didn't exist acknowledging my presence and smiling at me warmly.

When I mixed Androstenone, AndrosteRone, APC and Pherlure together I got the most amazing nipple erection I've seen

in quite awhile! So much so that she had to cover her breasts with her arms as she talked with me and then she

immediately put on a vest which covered them entirely. Her nipples were rather big and I could sense her

embarassment too - her face totally blushed when she noticed that I noticed them getting hard. I also got a really

wierd response from one woman which was her initially staring at me a number of times but then when I looked at her

the last time I noticed her looking at me I smiled at her. When I did this she gave me this look that almost seemed

like she was thinking "How dare you smile at me!?!" It was almost like a condescending look - rather strange. This

was with a mix of APC, Androstenone and Pherlure.

Mick

12-19-2005, 09:50 PM

what were your dosages of -none,

-rone, apc & pherlure when you got the nipple reaction?

Pherolover

12-19-2005, 11:44 PM

Hi Mick,
The dosages are

one half ounce of Pherlure and one half ounce of APC mixed together then 3 drops each of chem set Androstenone and

chem set Androsterone added in. I use an empty Pherlure bottle to carry the mixture in and I keep it on me at all

times.

catlord17

12-19-2005, 11:57 PM

Holy sh*t, a half OUNCE of

pherlure and a half OUNCE of APC? I would think three drops of the other two in that mix wouldn't even be worth

noticing! But the nipple response is very interesting... I think I'll have to try mixing APC with Pherlure at the

least.

I have noticed that when I mix Pherlure with 'none, the result is very warm and sensual, and much slower

to work, but more a sensual, smouldering effect.

What I'd like to know is... is the active incgredient in

Pherlure the same as CS androsteRONE?

Pherolover

12-20-2005, 04:02 PM

Yes, I definitely get hits

with just the Pherlure and APC (1:1) mixed together by themselves. I think I'll take your idea though and mix

Pherlure with -none and see what I get. What ratio did you use? I was wondering the same thing too about whether the

active ingredient in Pherlure is chem set androsterone since they say their active ingredient ends in -Rone. Another

experiment I'm going to try is adding Androstadienone with Pherlure to see what that mix gets me. I just got the

chem set Androstadienone today so I'll be playing with it the next few days and I'll post my

results!

Holy sh*t, a half OUNCE of pherlure and a half OUNCE of APC? I would think three drops

of the other two in that mix wouldn't even be worth noticing! But the nipple response is very interesting... I

think I'll have to try mixing APC with Pherlure at the least.

I have noticed that when I mix Pherlure with

'none, the result is very warm and sensual, and much slower to work, but more a sensual, smouldering effect.

What I'd like to know is... is the active incgredient in Pherlure the same as CS androsteRONE?

Charlie

12-21-2005, 12:41 AM

Deer in hlight look, hair

twirling etc etc all fable signs...can be explained in a lot of ways. A DIHL can be a "damn this guy has a shitload

of cologne on" or a "hmm thats a wierd scent. What cologne is it" look.
Hairwirling can be nervousnes or stress. I

made the same mistake at first and looked too much. Everything i posted before is not sabstansial evidence and i

shouldnt have posted them. I was too excited.

Of course it could be the start of something or it could be

something but for me the real evidence is in change! I havent posted for a while not only because i figured the

above out but because i feel emotionaly happy now. I have wemen in my life! And THATS how i know the pheros i bought

more or less "enhanced" me. I date 3 pretty ladies and in fact i have difficulties which one to keep before i move

onto a serious relationship. Thats what i wanted when i first looked into pheros and thats what i got.

For me it

wasnt pherlure it was AE!

Note: I used pherlure for 2 weeks with no results, i used AE for 1 week and i met the

first of the three. Also the above is my honest oppinion...body language is known to meen something but i dont think

they must be used to prove the effectiveness of a product.

catlord17

12-21-2005, 05:30 AM

Pherolover, when I was mixing

Pherlure with 'none, I was doing so in a few different ratios:

1 spray Pherlure:1 spray TE
2 sprays Pherlure: 1

spray TE
1 spray pherlure:2 sprays TE

For me, TE doesn't seem to have much effect aside from when I overdose

and it just makes me crabby. Pherlure makes me stronger in my confidence, and it makes me stand straighter, almost

like I have more self esteem. Mixing the two definitely takes away from the immediate sexual charge I see in

Pherlure, and replaces it with a more sensual, smouldering charge that is slower to attract the ladies, but seems to

make them much more touchy feely and lusty instead of "You're the alpha male, and I want to f*ck now.", which seems

to be what I get from responsive females who already know me with Pherlure. Of course I am not the most experienced

phero user so I can't say these experiences are the end-all, be-all.

Charlie, You're right, these things can be

attributed to other reasons, but taken as a group, you don't usually see them without interest from the ladies

being present. I like to do things like walk into a bookstore, and observe people for a while as I sit at the cafe

reading. Then I'll apply some pheros, and observe them for any changes in behavior. I can tell you, there are

differences. Last time I did that, I had two lesbian girls (and they were definitely more on the lesbian side than

bisexual) suddenly start paying me so much attention that it started causing jealously between them. This is one of

several examples I can give of how peope started acting very different after I applied some pherlure, or another

pheromone combination. Usually when I wear pherlure, I wear it alone since I'm still trying to understand what the

difference between it and my other pheromones are. But it's certainly not the only thing I've had this type of

difference in behavior with.

Pherolover

12-21-2005, 09:15 PM

[QUOTE=catlord17]Pherolover,

when I was mixing Pherlure with 'none, I was doing so in a few different ratios:

1 spray Pherlure:1 spray TE
2

sprays Pherlure: 1 spray TE
1 spray pherlure:2 sprays TE

Thanks for the ratios Catlord. I don't have any TE

so I can't experiment with that yet - I may purchase some at some point and give it a go. Here's an interesting

effect I had with APC and Pherlure (1/2 ounce each) then 1/2 a dropper of chem set Androstenone and a full dropper

of chem set Androstadienone: Basically DIHL and repetitive looks and stares from 90% of the women in the place

(Starbuck's) and alot of smiles. The best response though was from a woman who I see in there fairly frequently who

is usually with her boyfriend and who basically never even gives me the time of day let alone look at me or

acknowledge my presence. I've seen her there for a month or two now easily and the only eye contact I ever got from

her was when it was accidental like when 2 people happen to be looking around the room at the same time and their

eyes just happen to meet. Well, the last 2 nights have opened my eyes because since I added the Androstadienone to

the mix this girl has not been able to get her eyes off me! :cheers: Constantly staring at me and she even smiled at

me. All with her boyfriend sitting right next to her. The difference is like night and day - it's amazing! Talk

about a rush. I've also noticed more looks from men too but not in a way that I would perceive as threatening. It

almost seems like a mild fascination. I wonder if this mix somehow does something to my presence in general.

:thumbsup: I'm going to keep playing around with different mixtures as I'm keeping notes on what I do and I'll

post more as it becomes available.

catlord17

12-21-2005, 10:13 PM

Androstadienone, eh? I'llhave

to get some of that next time I'm phero shopping. Argh... I shouldn't be spending more money on pheros... I

shouldn't... I shoudln't... be strong! lol

Pherolover

12-21-2005, 10:40 PM

Yes indeed... it seems to be

a missing link of some sort! :lovestruc

catlord17

12-27-2005, 11:57 PM

Here's a "missing link" that

might provide you all with some answers to some of the questions we had been discussing...

http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11623

tounge

12-28-2005, 12:09 AM

catlord17

12-28-2005, 01:17 AM

Actually, if you

read that whole thread thru, it seems to cause more confusion then answers.

I did read the whole

thread through, tounge. And while you are correct, it does provide some answers to two of the questions that I have

had: what is the response to androsteRONE by itself, and, is di-dehydroepiandrosterone the same thing as

androsterone?

Since there were a couple of others wondering these same things, I thought I'd post what

answers I could, despite the nature of the rest of the article.

oscar

12-28-2005, 04:42 PM

I did read the

whole thread through, tounge. And while you are correct, it does provide some answers to two of the questions that I

have had: what is the response to androsteRONE by itself, and, is di-dehydroepiandrosterone the same thing as

androsterone?

Since there were a couple of others wondering these same things, I thought I'd post what answers

I could, despite the nature of the rest of the article.

I'm not much of a chemist, but my eyes are

pretty good. I saw "dihydroepiandrosterone" mentioned there, and I've seen "dehydroepiandrosterone" elsewhere.

However, neither on that thread, nor anywhere else other than on advertising for P-lure (and that questionable

abstract) have I found "di-dehydroepiandrosterone".

Oscar :confused:

tounge

12-28-2005, 05:20 PM

I reread the thread again also. And

Catlord, I disagree with you. It doesn't answer anything in my mind. As a matter of fact it creates more questions.

And also it was never answered as to why RONE makes an attractive guy more attractive, and an unattractive guy less

attractive. Attractiveness is a subjective thing to begin with.

Pherolover

12-28-2005, 05:49 PM

Here's a

"missing link" that might provide you all with some answers to some of the questions we had been discussing...

http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1

1623 (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11623)

Hey Catlord,thanks for the reference and the link. It's been my experience with androsterone

that it does absolutely nothing for me - I've noticed no reactions or hits to it at all. :sad:

jvkohl

12-28-2005, 05:57 PM

[QUOTE=oscar]I'm not much of a

chemist, but my eyes are pretty good. I saw "dihydroepiandrosterone" mentioned there, and I've seen

"dehydroepiandrosterone" elsewhere. However, neither on that thread, nor anywhere else other than on advertising for

P-lure (and that questionable abstract) have I found "di-dehydroepiandrosterone".

I suspect that

"dihydroepiandrosterone" is a typo. The "di-dehydroepiandrosterone" reminds me of another marketing tactic:

vomeropherin was used instead of pheromone to promote products that supposedly activated the human VNO. There are

some creative marketing folks out there; let the buyer beware.

JVK

luxveritas

12-31-2005, 02:10 PM

I LOVE THIS SITE

I just found this forum and have been addicted to it for the past few days. What a

wealth of info. I just wish I had found it a few hours earlier. I managed to find the Pherlure website and didn't

really look at it very closely. I generally have a pretty decent BS meter but I was to lazy to really investigate it

so I purchased a bottle After finding this forum with seemingly truthful info. I also purchased SOE packets and

Perception packets. But I won’t use those until my testing of Pherlure is complete.

LOOKS LIKE I AM A

SUCKER

I will be testing Pherlure over the next 2 weeks or 3 weeks to see if their HORRIBLE marketing

holds any truth. This may be one of the best products ever or one of the best rip off schemes ever. Every website

that lists info for this product tries to sell it to me.

Near Dishonest Marketing
There are about 9 or

10 other seemingly independent domain names that contain information on this product but they are very suspicious in

their language. Too much bull*$#@ not enough facts. Because of this I have decided to write this report.

There

are a few seemingly independent articles about the product. One is at askmen.com after the very short positive

article a note says that Pherlure commissioned the review and partially paid for its creation. Sounds creepy but I

would hope that askmen.com has some integrity.

Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone doesn’t seem to be a pheromone like

all the marketing suggests. It seems to only increase "plasma blood pheromone levels and sociosexual behaviors". It

sounds like you could just take DHEA tablets and get the same result. I have no chemistry or scientific background

besides being a bit of a geek but Pherlure is the only company that sells this chemical and they are the only source

of information on its properties. I did find one source that suggested an independent scientist was considering

development of a DHEA based scent but I can’t remember its source.

The information above has no bearing on

whether or not it really works. Simple fact is you can only take what I say at face value. Their marketing

techniques are near dishonest which does make me angry but their product might work. That aside it seems that they

have excellent customer relations. The product shipped within 24 hours of the order.

Below is the only

“scientific data” on Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone. It seems legit but it is only an abstract. If it were factually

incorrect the University of Chicago would lose face.

http://www.wondersinscience.com/archiv

es/2005/0207/novelpheromone.html (http://www.wondersinscience.com/archives/2005/0207/novelpheromone.html)
A double-blind, randomized study was conducted to determine the effect of

a novel human pheromone formulation (Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone) on plasma blood pheromone levels and sociosexual

behaviors in men in regard to women. Members of the group (n=84) had blood collected at the beginning and end of an

12 week period of the study along with a journal documenting sexual intercourse activity. Subjects were supplemented

with Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone in a fragrance marketed under the trade name "pherlure" (n=43) or a placebo fragrance

(n=41) for the 12 weeks. The subject group applied 2 sprays daily of the Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone added fragrance.

The plasma pheromone levels increased in the Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone group by 22.6%, respectively, while levels

decreased in the placebo group by 1.4%, respectively. The total journalized sexual intercourse activity levels

increased in the Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone group by 62.4%, respectively, in contrast to the placebo group which

increased by 2.8%, respectively. All comparisons were statistically significant (P<0.001). These findings suggest

that daily supplementation with Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone significantly increases plasma blood pheromone levels and

sociosexual behaviors.

luxveritas

12-31-2005, 02:30 PM

Just got my shipment from

both bruce and from pherlure in time for my new year. I almost afraid to waste my new years, on something that is

not a sure thing like pherlure. I rather try SOE. I guess i will have to suck it up and give it a go.

TylerOC

12-31-2005, 02:55 PM

i would go with SoE tonight just

so you dont screw up your new years because you would regret that. do your pherlure testing after new years. also i

think this was the best experimental post i have ever read, very detailed and professional seeming.

tounge

12-31-2005, 03:49 PM

Agree with Tyler. Great post. One

of the few long ones I could stay with. Really looking foward to your future posts. Tonight should be a great

testing night regardless of what you chose to wear.

BTW, when you when out without mones did you wear a

cologne. That is a very important detail.

abcd2

12-31-2005, 03:58 PM

keep us updated lux. In my

opinion, i would not waste the new years eve testing out products, so just try products that will give you smoe sort

of results.... have some fun tonight with pheromones that will guarantee you results

TylerOC

12-31-2005, 04:27 PM

haha tonight i think ill test

out my NPA a bit more, i never really have bad results with it so i think its safe.

tim929

12-31-2005, 10:21 PM

There is a great thread on this

subject located here on the forum.

The location is

http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13990

(http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13990)

This thread has been going for a while and should answer any serious questions you may have regarding

Pherlure.

catlord17

01-01-2006, 06:27 PM

I am really looking forward to

what your experiences are. I've made my experiences known, but few here seem to consider my experiences valid.

catlord17

01-01-2006, 06:28 PM

I would have to say that

someone has to be a moron to market Pherlure the way it's being marketed. They're amost certainly costing

themselves sales.

bjf

01-01-2006, 06:33 PM

Pherlure is BS. You may see effects

because it changes the dispersion of the products you mix it with, thus "altering" the dosage.

bjf

01-01-2006, 06:35 PM

Is it bogus? Yea. Are catlord's

result real? Yea.

luxveritas

01-01-2006, 07:16 PM

I wussed out on testing the

pherlure on new years. I figured that even if i got some results with pherlure. I wouldn't be able to tell if it

was because of the product or the sheer volume of horney chicks on the prowl. I put on half a pack SOE instead and

can tell you for a fact that it has some strange properties about it. I applied it before having anything to drink

and within minutes I felt stoned, really jittery like a caffine buzz and it seemed my fine motor skills were

impared. My game was really off so instead of going out hunting, I went to my roommates girlfriends friends party.

Turns out that everyone at that party was Gay. It was really funny because for the last 3 years I have gone to

literally gay parties for new years. I dont even have any friends i know are gay. It was fun because i enjoy talking

to people of different backgrounds and I didnt have any problems with the guys being obnoxious. I tried on the SOE

again today (had half a pack didnt want to waste) and felt stoned again. Could be because I was hung over but it

only started when I applied it. I swear to only test the pherlure for at least the next 2 weeks, I have to see if i

need to return it.

catlord17

01-01-2006, 08:09 PM

Is it bogus? Yea.

Are catlord's result real? Yea.

I'm curious as to how you concluded it's bogus? Since my best hits

come from Pherlure worn alone. That would seem to discount your "mixing dispersion" theory.

catlord17

01-01-2006, 08:16 PM

I wussed out

on testing the pherlure on new years. I figured that even if i got some results with pherlure. I wouldn't be able

to tell if it was because of the product or the sheer volume of horney chicks on the prowl. I put on half a pack SOE

instead and can tell you for a fact that it has some strange properties about it. I applied it before having

anything to drink and within minutes I felt stoned, really jittery like a caffine buzz and it seemed my fine motor

skills were impared. My game was really off so instead of going out hunting, I went to my roommates girlfriends

friends party. Turns out that everyone at that party was Gay. It was really funny because for the last 3 years I

have gone to literally gay parties for new years. I dont even have any friends i know are gay. It was fun because i

enjoy talking to people of different backgrounds and I didnt have any problems with the guys being obnoxious. I

tried on the SOE again today (had half a pack didnt want to waste) and felt stoned again. Could be because I was

hung over but it only started when I applied it. I swear to only test the pherlure for at least the next 2 weeks, I

have to see if i need to return it.

Do one week's worth of testing with one spray, and then do one

week's worth with two sprays. In my experience, Pherlure needs to be refreshed about every 3 hours or so if you

apply to skin.

catlord17

01-01-2006, 08:23 PM

Pherlure is BS. You

may see effects because it changes the dispersion of the products you mix it with, thus "altering" the

dosage.

You assume I always wear it with something else. To assume is dangerous, my friend. As it

happens, I get the best responses when I wear it alone.

bjf

01-01-2006, 09:17 PM

You assume I always

wear it with something else. To assume is dangerous, my friend. As it happens, I get the best responses when I

wear it alone.

Ha! Nope, I didn't assume that.

bjf

01-01-2006, 09:19 PM

I'm curious as to

how you concluded it's bogus? Since my best hits come from Pherlure worn alone. That would seem to discount your

"mixing dispersion" theory.

I concluded it because of its contents.

catlord17

01-01-2006, 09:40 PM

I concluded it

because of its contents.

I follow your logic, but it's faulty. I'm simply not imagining my results,

as much as you would like to believe otherwise.

I have a number of friends who get good laughs at the expense of

those who disagree with my experiences based on this sort of logic, because they see the results I get too.

tim929

01-01-2006, 10:42 PM

catlord17

01-02-2006, 01:07 AM

Catlord17...your

results are not necessarily bogus or invalid.Nor do I dismiss your results out of hand simply based of my own

assumptions.However,the body of existing real science doesnt indicate that there is any hard validity to the claims

made by the products manufacturer.Are your results real? Sure they are.And I will be the first to say if it aint

broke,dont fix it.The only real question that remains is WHY you get results from a product that has not only been

over hyped,but demonstrated to be based largely on assumption and supposition rather than anything delivered through

scentific research.

The unfortunate problem is that while the product may in fact work for some,the person

behind the product has made bogus statements regarding that product.It may be the greatest product in the world,but

until its backed up by factual scence and research its just hype.Another element to consider is individual body

chemistry.What works well for one may not work well for another.Hence,the variety of different products available

through this site.Pherlure may work great for you and many others as well...heck...it might even work for me if I

ever tried it.But there is an issue of trust that exists when it comes to the claims of the manufacturer.We all know

that info-mercials and internet spam advertising has become corrupted with bogus advertising and claims for miricle

products and so forth.I spent huge amounts of time lurking around these forums befor I ever considered actualy

buying anything simply for the fact that there have been so many frauds on the internet.The eveidence that I have

seen is based not on using Pherlure but based uppon the debunking of the claims made by its manufacturer.If you get

results from it...great.I am not about to say your full of it.But the manufacturer doesnt have the best track record

and the product should be approached with great caution.

I agree, the manufacturer is screwing up with

their marketing. In fact I have decided not to sell it, because they've done such a good job of screwing up, even

though I find that it works for me. Nordo I expect everyone to have the same results with it that I do, since I

apparently don't have the same results others do with this or the other pheromones. Body chemistry.

However, as

of right now, I'd say that Pherlure is my favorite of the stuff I have. It may not be correctlyclassified when

it's called a pheromone spray, but I sure do have fun with it. It seems to affect people like most people report

that NPA does, for me, except without the negative side effects. Whereas TE seems to do nothing unless I overdose

and become irritable.

I have noting to gain orlose if nobody believes my experiences, which is why I find it so

amusing to get such strong insistence that I can't be right from these guys. On the other hand, I have a lot of

testing time to put in yet with my pheromones, so this one might not stay on top of the heap.

I also have to

wonder if they put out a different product for people who have already bought from them. There have been some

reports that the first bottle was great, and then the second bottle didn't do anything. I guess we'll see when I

run out of this bottle's contents. Because call me a fool, but I have seen some amazing stuff happen after putting

on Pherlure, and I'll most definitely be buying another bottle. As far as I'm concerned, it's liquid gold. And

I'd wear it just for the scent, even without the "active ingredient", whatever the hell it happens to be.

Then

again, my loyalty lies with what works. If they're playing games with switching contents on second orders and

beyond, they lose me as a customer. Simple as that.

Maybe I'll send you this bottle when I have only a little

left so you can try it.

bjf

01-02-2006, 05:27 AM

I follow your logic,

but it's faulty. I'm simply not imagining my results, as much as you would like to believe otherwise.

I

have a number of friends who get good laughs at the expense of those who disagree with my experiences based on this

sort of logic, because they see the results I get too.
I never said that.

Originally, I felt you

deserved the courtesy of a response as to possible explainations for why DHEA could really work for you, but

frankly, now I don't want to converse with you given your negativity.

luxveritas

01-02-2006, 08:32 AM

When I finish my testing I

think that I might post a website with the information from this thread and my personal experience and see if

slashdot will pick it up. If in 2 weeks i find that it works then I might extend my study to a month. Something as

contraversial as this seems to need investigation. If nothing else the site that I might create will expose the

companies marketing tactics. While doing research on this product I have yet to find a counterpoint to the rave

reviews of Pherlure. (maybe astroturfing) This is something that needs to be fixed for the sake of balance. Of

course I'll definately mention this forum and its wealth of info. I love this site. It seems to be the only island

in the sea of BS. Kudos to Bruce for allowing this thread for a product which he doesn't even (wisely) carry.

catlord17

01-02-2006, 06:26 PM

I never said

that.

Originally, I felt you deserved the courtesy of a response as to possible explainations for why DHEA could

really work for you, but frankly, now I don't want to converse with you given your negativity.

I'm

afraid I fail to see the negativity you are attempting to punish me for with your silence. I am stating that your

logic is faulty, and it is. That's not negativity, that's simple fact. My experience disagrees with your

"logic".

And when I say I have friends who get a kick out of reading what you and others have said when

disagreeing with me, when they see what I experience first hand, that is also a simple fact. It's just amusing

that you guys are so stuck on your beliefs without ever trying the stuff for yourselves.

I couldn't care less if

you believe what I have to say. I don't care if you are interested in talking to me or not. You are welcome to

your choice of beliefs and actions. But please don't think I am going to suffer because you've chosen to stop

talking with me when I disagree with you.

catlord17

01-02-2006, 06:28 PM

When I

finish my testing I think that I might post a website with the information from this thread and my personal

experience and see if slashdot will pick it up. If in 2 weeks i find that it works then I might extend my study to a

month. Something as contraversial as this seems to need investigation. If nothing else the site that I might create

will expose the companies marketing tactics. While doing research on this product I have yet to find a counterpoint

to the rave reviews of Pherlure. (maybe astroturfing) This is something that needs to be fixed for the sake of

balance. Of course I'll definately mention this forum and its wealth of info. I love this site. It seems to be the

only island in the sea of BS. Kudos to Bruce for allowing this thread for a product which he doesn't even (wisely)

carry.

I'm not sure slashdot is such a good idea, luxveritas...

bjf

01-02-2006, 08:17 PM

I'm afraid I fail

to see the negativity you are attempting to punish me for with your silence. I am stating that your logic is

faulty, and it is. That's not negativity, that's simple fact. My experience disagrees with your "logic".

And when I say I have friends who get a kick out of reading what you and others have said when disagreeing

with me, when they see what I experience first hand, that is also a simple fact. It's just amusing that you guys

are so stuck on your beliefs without ever trying the stuff for yourselves.

I couldn't care less if you

believe what I have to say. I don't care if you are interested in talking to me or not. You are welcome to your

choice of beliefs and actions. But please don't think I am going to suffer because you've chosen to stop talking

with me when I disagree with you.

Blah, blah. Funny how it was you who said it was dangerous to

assume yet you were the one making the assumptions. I just don't appreciate your disrespectful tone when I was

never doubting your claims. And I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm just not going to invest the time to follow

up like originally would have. :cheers:

catlord17

01-02-2006, 11:45 PM

Blah, blah. Funny

how it was you who said it was dangerous to assume yet you were the one making the assumptions. I just don't

appreciate your disrespectful tone when I was never doubting your claims. And I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm

just not going to invest the time to follow up like originally would have. :cheers:

Well I'll give you

the benefit of the doubt then and presume that I'm reading something into what you said that was not there.

b737pilot88

01-04-2006, 04:53 PM

Hey all,
I am waiting for my bottle of Pherlure in the mail so ya. I research and research and

got confuse of why you have to mix each different kind. Can't you just use one alone byitself?
Another question is: If I take a shower every morning with shampoo and soap bar as a daily thing to me; then

putting on the -mone, will there be a less effective on it because of the fresh new bathe shampoo

smell?

Lastly, How would mixing would attract girls sexually?:cheers:

luxveritas

01-04-2006, 06:11 PM

I probably did the same thing

that you did a week ago. I saw pherlure first and didnt pay attention to the advertising techniques and ended up

with a bottle. There is no trustworthy information on the web proving pherlure works only marketing information. If

you read between the lines it looks like a bogus product.

It might actually work. Some people on this board like

it and i was going to do some testing myself but i cant stand the smell of the stuff. It smells very strong and

cheap to me so i plan to return it before the month. I tried a chikara packet today, even if it does nothing I would

wear it for the scent, reminds me of the way strippers smell.

I recommend using pherlure by itself for a while to

see if it even works for you and what kind of response it illicits. If it is a pheromone then it doesnt matter if

someone can detect the odor. Pheromones are supposed to be sensed subconciously.

TylerOC

01-04-2006, 06:39 PM

yeah ive heard some good things

and some neutral things so i decided to buy a bottle myself. ill do some personal testing and if i like it then ill

keep it and give good feedback on here for it. otherwise, im gonna test out their money back garuntee

b737pilot88

01-04-2006, 06:43 PM

Lux, Tyler........Did

pherlure work out good for you guys?

TylerOC

01-04-2006, 06:50 PM

not sure yet i havnt received

mine yet. ill let you know when i test it though

luxveritas

01-04-2006, 06:53 PM

I didn't really ever give it

a chance. The scent was too much for me. Gave me a headache and they say one application lasts 4-8 hours. I would

not be able to hit myself 2x in a day with that. Dont want to be known for my smell, just remembered by my aura.

catlord17 seems honest and has experience with this product, he seems to like it.

I am also a noob and this

website has plenty of products with both positive and negative reviews (shows honesty). Pherlure didn't have a

single negative review anywhere at all on the web. That is impossible, pheromones aren't supposed to get women to

throw their panties at the ugliest of guys, someone would have written a bad review somewhere. I wanted to start

with a product that i knew for almost a fact wasnt snake oil. Good luck

TylerOC

01-04-2006, 06:54 PM

well i like to be known for my

aura AND for my smell, as long as its a good one. i hear from girls i work with that i always smell good, thats a

good thing to be associated with

also one night before i used pheremones i was just wearing fierce by abercrombie

and my friend kelsey smelled me when i hugged her and was like "oooh you smell good, im gonna have to follow you

around all night now"

luxveritas

01-04-2006, 06:59 PM

I just bought the chikara and

npa combo special. Everyone on here raves about those two products and I really dig the scent of the free chikara

gel pack they sent me.

b737pilot88

01-04-2006, 07:03 PM

oh u did? can't we use our

own

colognes and buy pheromones separate and just add them ? How you have to mix it and stuff to do all

the work?

f

Sigma

01-04-2006, 07:09 PM

Sorry this was

a separate topic that i posted in the wrong section.

Is there a pheromone out there that is the real deal? I

hear some sites say they will gurantee you the results but some people say its a marketing thingy....so what

pheromone in the world would work?

Doesn't everybody seem that they are telling you how good it is and lure you

in to buy their product? happens to me b4... :frustrate

I wish there was one that I can choose from instead of

looking all of the brands and comparing and testing it.

I've been searching and searching and still can't make

up my mine but instead i brought a Pherlure bottle to test it out.

The extent of the posting on this

forum should be evidence enough to prove that these products work: none of us would be here if the products didn't

work. If at all you're skeptical (understandably), Bruce offers the freebie pack to "test-drive" different products

and make a decision on whether or not you should purchase other products. In the end though it does require a leap

of faith though, as pheromones are, for the most part, outside of mainstream knowledge.

luxveritas

01-04-2006, 07:13 PM

oh u did?

can't we use our own

colognes and buy pheromones separate and just add them ? How you have to mix it

and stuff to do all the work?

f

This company does sell products that can be added to colognes

or you can just use the unscented pheromones and cover them with whatever scent you wish. The unscented Scent of

Eros is recommended by many people on this forum and the chikara has a really mild scent.

Kardz

01-04-2006, 07:21 PM

Just read the forums. The sheer

number of posts is a good indication, like the guy above mentioned. Then there are the threads that talk about

results with mones and combos.

Look at the product list then do an advanced search using the search tool and

look up each one and what they do. That will give you an idea of you'll want.

Pherlure...thats not the most

respected product in the world. As you mentioned, alot of people try to pull the wool over your eyes with some kind

of marketing tactic. And Pherlure is pretty aggressive when it comes to that.

But people have had some results

on this forum atleast in combination with other stuff.

Gegogi

01-04-2006, 08:32 PM

Yeah, pretty much you can

sprinkle pheromones on a deadman and watch women at his funeral hump him raw. Not! [I love writing that!] Human

responses to pheromones aren't as simple or as direct as in the insect world, or even lower

mammals.

Pheromones use may be likened like buying a trumpet. In the hands of a master this instrument

produces amazing beauty, power and expressive emotion. In the hands of a noob, silly fart-lke utterances. In other

words, you gotta study and work at pheromone use or you'll fall on your arse. MAybe even get a black eye. You gotta

get your ducks in a row: look good, smell sweet and make witty conversation. Moreover, there is no universal dose,

so you must experiment until you find the right combination for your persona and body chemistry.

tim929

01-04-2006, 08:41 PM

:welcome: Remember...one of the

things you will read repeatedly from forum members who have experimented extensively with these products is that: NO

PRODUCT WILL CAUSE WOMEN TO RIP OFF THIER PANTIES AND THROW THEM AT YOU WHILE DEMANDING TO BE ALLOWED TO BE THE

MOTHER OF YOUR CHILDREN. And that is advertising you wont see here.I became a custome of Love-Scent because they

DIDNT make rediculous claims.

The lure of a product that will cause women to follow you around and profess thier

undying love for you is as seductive as the products that claim such things as "rapid herbal weight loss," "herbal

breast enlargement," "herbal penis enlargement" and so forth.The fact is that pheromones DO work.They work quite

well under the right conditions,but they require some work on your part to be truly effective.

The fact is that

marketing gurus have figured out that you can sell almost anything to anyone if you present it right.I dont

represent this company but I have been a pheromone user for some time and can attest to thier effectiveness

myself.And Love-Scent offers a very liberal money back gaurantee because they do work.They also offer free samples

so that you can get an idea of what your getting into befor you spend hard earned money.

Reading through the

forums you will get an idea of all the various components that are necessary for successful pheromone use.Theres

more to it than simply splashing on the mystical love juice and waiting for the supermodels to line up for you to

autograph their naked bodies.There are issues like "game," where you have to learn to approach women correctly.There

are issues of dress,where you learn to look like you mean business to a woman.Theres issues of phisical

fitness,because...as I found out...chicks are alittle standoffish if your not in at least some semblance of decent

condition.We arent talking body builder,but in better shape than a kitchen sponge (thats me:lol: ) would be good.

All these elements must come together to form a cohesive wall of manlyness that women apprciate,including

pheromones.The science behind them is sound and the products are gaurateed.All you need to do now is hang around the

forums to get a better idea of what might help you in your quest.Like the rest of us,we all came here looking for

ways to impress women,gain respect from others and generaly enhance our day to day lives through the miricle of

science.Some have reached the pinicle of that search and have discovered all the components they need to improve

thier lives.Some of us are still searching for that "perfect combination."Whatever the case,pheromones are

legitimate and the use of pheromones has definatly improved my outlook on life,and improved my day to day

interactions as well.

I can understand being alittle skeptical,I was for a long time too.But Bruce and his team

have consistently impressed me with both thier products and thier service.

Oh...by the way...welcom to the

forum!:welcome:

b737pilot88

01-04-2006, 09:28 PM

:goodpost:

VERY THANKS

TO U!
I am in search of pheromones but like you said they do work but you need to find the right combi for yur body

correct?

Anyways i am searching for days but still can't find an answer for me yet...if anyone can plz

post:cheers:

Im a bit confuse on what inside the forum says like for example....some say use the standalone

-mone first then add other scent to it (combi mixes) :think:
And for another part is the ratio thingy that u have

to add to balance..

I search and search but theres too many!

Thanks for letting me feel

welcomed!:thumbsup:

belgareth

01-04-2006, 09:30 PM

Before you start trying to mix

experiment with single products first. Oreder the free gel packs and try them out first. See what happens. Mixing

without solid basic knowledge usually adds more confusion than anything else.

b737pilot88

01-04-2006, 09:50 PM

I forgot to tell my age

lol....I'm 17; 5'9
OK i ordered the sample packs and it will come soon. I have read all about the -mone stuff

that each -mone will do differently....when i get the samples, do each of them has its own separate -mone to test

out first like attracting girls to talk more and the other is to have romantic stuff? If one of them work for me and

if i want both attractions, I just combine both of them correct?

How do i know how much will I have to put on

it?

catlord17

01-04-2006, 10:30 PM

There are negative reviews of

Pherlure out there. Not a lot of them, but they are out there. There's no product along the lines of pheromones

(Di-DHEA is apparently not a pheromone) that gives everyone great results. (TE seems to do nothing for me, for

instance, but others love it.) You also have to remember individual chemistry, circumstances, amount used, which

woman you're dealing with (not every woman responds the same to a particular product) and of course other factor as

well.

There's some who might think I'm trying to sell Pherlure, but I'm not. I have actually decided against

becoming a distributor for them because of their marketing tactics. I trust Love Scent's products, because I have

good results from AE and SOE, and I had good results from the packet of Chikara I tried, too. Pherlure's not

perfect... nothing is... but for me, it happens to work well. (Anyone decides they want to get rid of a

bottle they're not happy with, PM me and let's see if we can make a deal.)

I also happen to really enjoy the

scent.

If you want to buy stuff to add to colognes, consider such things as NPA, PPA and the like. They're

designed to be added to colognes. Or, you can just use the pheromone spray and cover with a cologne. Pherlure's

definitely not the only thing worth looking at, or using.

Pherolover

01-06-2006, 08:01 AM

...Now on

to the "suggestion" at hand, I've seen Pher-Lure come up a couple of times, but I am getting 3-4 spam emails a day

from those guys and in my mind that more or less takes them out of the running. Sort of 2 strikes against them, but

I'm interested to hear more if it seems to be a worthy product.

Bruce

My experience with Pherlure

has been overall good. Even better when I've mixed it with -None and -Stadienone. When I mixed it with -Rone not

good at all.

b737pilot88

01-06-2006, 06:58 PM

Can you guys help me on the

ratio mix?

How do u know when you have the right ratio mix of -mones?
some people put 3:2:4 but isnt that and

OD? I thought the directions on the label are thr right way to follow.

belgareth

01-06-2006, 08:42 PM

I've posted this quite a few

times but will repeat myself again then suggest you do some research on the forum. Most of your questions so far

have been answered many times.

Start with any one product. Apply the same small dose every day for a week and

observe reactions. The next week increase the dose and again the following week. Do that until you get overdose

reactions. Now you should have a grip on what that particular product will do for you. Do the same thing with the

next product. Once you've done this with several products you should have enough knowledge of what mones do for

you, what works and in what doses. Now you are ready to start mixing based on that knowledge. Until you know what

individual products work for you, how can you figure out what mix is going to work? You can't unless by pure

luck.

catlord17

01-06-2006, 10:29 PM

My

experience with Pherlure has been overall good. Even better when I've mixed it with -None and -Stadienone. When I

mixed it with -Rone not good at all.

My theory is that you have bad experiences mixing it with 'rone

because that's what's already in it, and you're overdosing.

I think di-DHEA breaks down into 'rone... of

course, this is all theory based on the fact that mixing TE with pherlure makes me feel the same as when I wear AE.

Rather loose guessing is more like it. But that's my theory.

Try Pherlure with SOE. Interesting. :-)

MOBLEYC57

01-07-2006, 10:47 AM

Try Pherlure

with SOE.
Interesting. :-)

:think: How old are you, CatLordy17?
:think: What ratio of Phelure and SOE

do you wear?
:think: Will you translate INTERESTING please?

Thanks! :thumbsup:

MOBLEYC57

01-07-2006, 04:53 PM

how old are u

mobley?

40 + 8 = 48

If you're wondering why I'm always asking, it's because deep inside of me the

age + none (the older you are, the more -none that's needed) is is stuck in there, even though I've found that

-none doesn't really scare off younger females ... UNLESS, I have no none at all! :blink:

b737pilot88

01-07-2006, 05:26 PM

wow i didnt know that....the

older you are, you do need more doses of -mone

catlord17

01-07-2006, 06:06 PM

:think: How

old are you, CatLordy17?
:think: What ratio of Phelure and SOE do you wear?
:think: Will you translate INTERESTING

please?

Thanks! :thumbsup:

I'm 32 years old. When I wear them together, I use 1-2 dabs of SOE on

each cheek and usually one spray of Pherlure to my throat, but sometimes two. I try to never use more than three

per day, as the bottle says. Since it seems to last about 3 hours per spray, I try to use one spray at a time so I

can refresh without overdosing.

Interesting means I get unexpected responses from this mix. It provokes

interaction with strangers, as does SOE, and usually the friendliness vibe predominates, but there's a small but

strong sexual vibe that builds over time and seems to put the idea in their head that they need to "get me". In

other words, it seems to turn them into "wolves in sheep's clothing", hunting me sexually and thinking it's

entirely their own idea.

I haven't posted any of my experiences yet because I'm still testing it for

consistency, and I'm also alternating between this and AE.

AE seems to have a much "heavier" vibe to it, and a

slower moving one. AE makes me think of deep forest green, if we're going for color associations, whereas Pherlure

+ SOE makes me think of a pale ultraviolet. I associate these colors based on how the combinations make me feel.

AE is more solid, earthy, steady, strong. Pherlure by itself gives me a sense of masculine confidence that's

neither slow moving nor overly solid, but not over the top, either - well balanced. Pherlure + SOE makes me feel

like a silver tongued devil, and I'm getting the responses through verbal seduction that's built on both my own

and her response to the combination.

Hope that helps. Let's just say that it breaks the social ice...and the

"bullet" that does it is aimed in a sexual direction from the get-go.

TylerOC

01-08-2006, 12:17 AM

i just received pherlure in the

mail tonight at 11 pm. going to begin testing soon

edit: first reaction so far is that i like how it smells, but

i did have some other cologne on earlier so after i shower tomorrow morning im going to put it on and test it at

work

catlord17

01-08-2006, 05:14 PM

So Tyler, does Pherlure affect

your mood any?

I suggest you do an experiment in which you spray yourself on the face with a spray of it and

see if it makes you feel any different. I have also noticed that women seem to be able to tell where I have applied

it, and they will apply attention to that spot. If they're inebriated in any way, I get a lot more kiss hits than

usual wherever I have applied it. So putting it on your face may get you increased eye contact and kisses on the

lips, cheeks, nose, or forehead, depending on how you apply it and the women you are using it with.

I apply

it to my face once in a while for the mood altering effect, and the interest it seems to bring to my face

specifically. Eye contact is a good thing. :-)

Chemist

01-09-2006, 03:30 PM

I've been with love-scent from the

very beginning. I don't post all that often, but this thread kind of demands my opinion. I am very intrigued by the

web description of this new product.

However, as someone did before in this thread, I immediately did a

literature search - in thousands of journals - to find no mention of Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone at all.

This

tells me that the studies linked to from the site are not good enough for publication and leads me to disbelieve the

evidence on the product.

Like others, anectdotal evidence means more from people who have been around for

years and in this forum. I tend to disbelieve those that seem to have just joined in the past 2 months - especially

if they are saying ridiculous things about any product.

Most of us have been here from the beginning and our

experience tells us that outrageous statements that seem to imply that pheromones all of sudden short circuit the

brain are to be taken with a grain of salt. We all know that personality, approach, game, and cleanliness have a lot

to do with it too. No pheromone can circumvent those factors.

TylerOC

01-09-2006, 03:33 PM

Im not making an rediculous

claims about this product, i have JUST now begun testing but to be honest i havnt really noticed any hits from any

products i have. ive tried 1-3 dabs of npa, ive used SOE, and now im trying pherlure. so far pherlure for some

reason seems to put me in a happier more hyper mood but that might just be because i like how it smells.

bjf

01-09-2006, 07:18 PM

I've been with

love-scent from the very beginning. I don't post all that often, but this thread kind of demands my opinion. I am

very intrigued by the web description of this new product.

However, as someone did before in this thread, I

immediately did a literature search - in thousands of journals - to find no mention of Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone at

all.

This tells me that the studies linked to from the site are not good enough for publication and leads me

to disbelieve the evidence on the product.

Like others, anectdotal evidence means more from people who have

been around for years and in this forum. I tend to disbelieve those that seem to have just joined in the past 2

months - especially if they are saying ridiculous things about any product.

Most of us have been here from

the beginning and our experience tells us that outrageous statements that seem to imply that pheromones all of

sudden short circuit the brain are to be taken with a grain of salt. We all know that personality, approach, game,

and cleanliness have a lot to do with it too. No pheromone can circumvent those factors.

Dude, do

you know how many people miss you?

Chemist

01-09-2006, 07:58 PM

Hey, I'm still around. I just

don't post as I used to as I did in the beginning. I've kept abreast of all the products - Chikira and Perception

were the last 2 "new" products I tried - while still using APC, TE, SOE, and NPA. Pheromones were a start for me,

the next thing I worked on was my game. Both of them together - work wonderfully.

I do check back every now

and again, order one or two new products every year, get my samples and intro specials. If you ever need my opinion

on something, a PM will work.

I'm very impressed with the way Bruce's business has expanded over the

years.

b737pilot88

01-10-2006, 03:59 PM

I just got my pherlure

bottle yesterday and going to test it. The smell was pleasant and it smelled good to me.

1/10/06
Today I have

tested my Pherlure bottle with one spray to the throat and one spray of my cologne on the wrist. I went to school

and throughout the day, I havn't notice any eye contact, hits, or compliments. I mean wth man....:rant: or is it

that there are too many students walking in the hall way that prevented the -mones? I will continue my testing this

week to see if theres any results.
The scent was gone quickly in about 2 hrs and my coloogne an hr. later because

it was on my skin.

I know trying it on the first day won't give you any results but I have heard from some

people that it works on their first day and some a few days later (True?) Some people also said you need to

wear for a few days because of the body chemistry.

But i do have a question about this though; since

it is my first day testing it, do I have to keep applying it everyday until it kicks in? (Help!)

Anyways I will continue to post my results and see what happens.:blink:

jvkohl

01-10-2006, 04:24 PM

I find it amazing that this thread

continues to get as much attention as it does. I'm no fan of censorship, but the longer this thread continues, the

more damage is done to the biologically based concept of human pheromones--as it is represented in other threads --

and by research, as well as research-based marketing and anecdotal information. I would be happy to take full

responsibility for any moderator who wants to pull this thread in its entirety -- and direct complaints about

censorship to me via private messages.

JVK

... as

someone did before in this thread, I immediately did a literature search - in thousands of journals - to find no

mention of Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone at all.

This tells me that the studies linked to from the site are not

good enough for publication and leads me to disbelieve the evidence on the product.

Like others, anectdotal

evidence means more from people who have been around for years and in this forum. I tend to disbelieve those that

seem to have just joined in the past 2 months - especially if they are saying ridiculous things about any

product.

belgareth

01-10-2006, 04:27 PM

I'm not going to pull this

thread. Let the discussion run its course.

b737pilot88

01-10-2006, 05:03 PM

But i do have a

question about this though; since it is my first day testing it, do I have to keep applying it everyday until it

kicks in? (Help!)

Chemist

01-10-2006, 05:46 PM

TylerOC

01-10-2006, 05:50 PM

Bruce

01-10-2006, 06:48 PM

jvkohl

01-10-2006, 06:53 PM

jvk, I'm just

waiting for a veteran with some anectdotal evidence on this product. So far, I've seen none. My thoughts at this

point are not to even try out this product and to stick with what I have.

Even if a veteran reported

positive anecdotal evidence, I would be quick to attribute the anecdote to the power of suggestion, which is what

the marketing approach hopes people will buy-in-to. They're marketing an unknown compound (as if people should

know about it) and link to study results that either can't be found, or are reports from studies on other compounds

that are known (or at least suspected to be) pheromonally active. Why would a veteran try

it?

JVK

jvkohl

01-10-2006, 06:58 PM

i only tried it so

far because i havnt seen any of the veterans come and say "look, i actually tried this, did extensive testing with

it, and saw absolutely no results". so far all anybody says is "oh look at the advertising, it cant be real" from

what i can tell

"Look at the advertising; it can't be real" is a valid approach. Especially when

there is nothing in the advertising that links the product to anyone or anything that might have some substance to

back up their sales approach. "Let the buyer beware" is the primary caution when any question about marketing

tactics comes up. You just indicated that you expect people to ignore a primary

caution.

JVK

b737pilot88

01-10-2006, 07:03 PM

Ya...If i dont see results

in 2 weeks, ill be sending this s*it back and all I can think of is trying the stuff on love-scent's store since

everyone is honest here about the products their using.

Hey B,
Whens that chemist u talked about going to

post, It would be very interesting to see what he says about Pherlure.:rasp:

tounge

01-10-2006, 10:31 PM

TylerOC

01-10-2006, 11:53 PM

FWIW, I suspect

Pherlure is probably crap. I've never used it and don't intend to. But as long as nobody is pushing it on this

site to sell, what is the harm to discuss it. Frankly, it bothers me more, that someone would want to censor the

discussion. And if Pherlure or any product does not do what it says it will do, it will be exposed here quickly

enough.

for once, i agree completely with you tounge. i do think that it most likely sucks, but with a

money back gauruntee i decided to try it out for myself anyways. at the last, ill let you all know it didnt do shit

for me and that i returned it, or whatever happens

catlord17

01-11-2006, 12:13 AM

As I have said before, there

are two schools of thought regarding this product. Those who think there's something to it, and those who don't.

I happen to have seen people who didn't know I was wearing anything respond to pherlure in ways I have not seen as

often with other pheromone type sprays (so worded since Pherlure does not seem to have pheromones in it). If you

discount my experiences as being gullible, or being suggestible or being whatever, then that's fine. I respect

your opinion. I can handle your disagreement. But that's all it is - an opinion. Just as my conclusion that it

works is opinion, based however much on actual experiences that you all may lack, as compared to you guys just

guessing based on somene's marketing BS.

That said, I am growing increasingly skeptical about what's actually

in this product, but I have seen results from people who didn't know anything out of the ordinary was going on, and

no amount of other people's skepticism is going to change the facts regarding those experiences. And to

respectfully disagree, JVK, I would have to say that "Look at the advertising, it can't be real" is only a valid

approach if you have already made up your mind about something. By the same logic, the world is flat and the sun

revolves around the Earth.

To those who are new with pherlure, the most common results I get are an increased

acceptance from others and more positive responses to my ideas. Lots more respect. You need to give people a

chance to be affected by the pheromone (or whatever it is) in pherlure, just as you would with any other product.

It's not an instant result, as far as I can tell, and just passing people hasn't done much of anything for me with

any phero or related type of product. But I continueto see results wth Pherlure, the exactsame as are described

frequently on this frum fromother people regarding other products, even when I wear Pherlure alone and don't tell

anyone.

By the way, in my experience, Pherlure has to be applied about every three hours to remain

effective.

As for the steroid chemist Bruce is talking about, I am looking forward to what he has to say, because

I'm really wondering how I could have had some of these experiences if this is all in my head. Especially since

it's my business to know about the power of suggestion.

It's a shame they chose to market their product the way

they have, because I think it would make a really good addition to both Bruce's and my own products, but I agree

that their tactics would not be welcome to my customers and I'm not going to sell it therefore. Regardess, I am

going to use it, and continue using it, because of all the products I have tried, pherlure seems to get me the best,

most obvious and most frequent hits.

Naturally, I have not lost sight of the fact that I am still far from

experienced with all the products I have, or that are available, but these have been my experiences so far. Show me

something better and I'll use it instead.

One thing I have noticed is that there seem to be two extremes of

thinking when it comes to "believing" something. There are those who will believe without any evidence, and there

are those who will not believe regardless of evidence. The former tends to be religious types, and the latter tends

to be scientific types. I have both in my family, and I have come to have a middle of the road approach as a

result. I keep an open mind, and go with what evidence I have available. In other words, I don't look at the

packaging and decide that just because it is a cheap cardboard box, that it's impossible for a real diamond to be

placed inside. On the other hand, I'm not locked into any particular conclusion, either. If the evidence starts

to suggest something else, then my conclusion reflects that.

So skeptics and believers both, think what you will.

I'll just go with what I can see happening, unless someone happens to have some evidence against it other than

"The advertising is ridiculous".

And now for a hit report. Cologne:TE:Pherlure at 1:1:1 seems to do really

really well for respect hits. I met a friend of a friend today, and she was reported to be very aggressive and

dominating before I met her, but she turned out to be more on the submissive side around me, which got the friend

who introduced us picking her jaw up off the floor. I wasn't really trying to be terribly dominant, and the girl

"doesn't like white guys", and is engaged, so I wasn't expecting sexual hits. But it was amazing the respect I was

getting from her when I had been expecting her to try to steamroll me. I seem to be getting much more respect with

this formula than just Pherlure by itself. Also got my first hits from TE alone last night. Had a woman tell me,

"Oh my,all sorts of interesting things seem to be happening when I'm around you," and she was referring to her

bodily responses.

haszu

01-11-2006, 01:44 AM

I have asked

one chemist about Di-DHEA and he has told me that as far as he knows Pherlure was actually

only using Dehydroepiandrosterone, and were simply tagging on the di- prefix to throw

off consumers. Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone is not a valid chemical name, and it is not listed in the merk

index, nor can a chemical structure be obtained from it. The ‘di' prefix should be alpha-numeric, so as to specify

exactly where the two DHEA molecules are attached.
If this really is di-DHEA, Pherlure must have had a custom

synthesis performed.

You say here that DHEA is not a pheromone, but it has been shown to equally

target both the male and female human VNO, causing a stimulation of 1mV, as demonstrated via electrovomeronasogram.

This was in a study which erox
had funded some 10-15 years ago.
e.g.

http://www.erox.com/images/Steroid1.GIF

I also received an information that Androstenol,

as this is actually an
optical isomer of DHEA. Basically, it's a ‘mirror image' of the DHEA
molecule when viewed

three-dimensionally. Mr Kohl, could you please confirm this?

Regards,
Artur

catlord17

01-11-2006, 09:31 AM

As I said in my previous post,

I was growing suspicious as to what was actually in Pherlure, since "Di-DHEA" produces nothing much to look at in

searches... and all you skeptics are insisting it can't work, while I see it working. The only thing I could see

that could explain the discrepancy was they were not being honest about what's actually in it.

Now if that graph

is right, estratetraenol must really give guys a buzz! Isn'tthat the female pheromone that acts like A1 does for

women?

haszu

01-11-2006, 11:17 AM

Yes, Estratetraenol is the most

effective pheromone that stimulates male VNO and Androstadienone stimulates female VNO most effectively.

Estratetraenol is even more powerful than A-1.

b737pilot88

01-11-2006, 03:18 PM

catlord17

01-11-2006, 03:29 PM

Today is my

second day testing pherlure.
The first day I test it with one spray pherlure and 1 spray cologne, nothing happens.

The 2nd day with the same spray, I was talking to my friend(hotty :) ) while we were doing our physics lab, she came

very close to me and started to get touchy while I was talking to her about the lab. I'm like hmm the -mones must

be working. :sad:

For my experiences so far, I have notice when it happens if you speak to someone at a close

proximity and let them stay with you for a couple of minutes. Also, I think the -mones aren't kicking for first day

use but on the 2nd day, I got results.

Anyways, I'll post more results soon.

Try tesing each dose

for a week at a time... 1 spray for one week, two sprays for one week, and then see what happens with nothing for

one week. According to the Pherlure guys, one spray is best for women under about 30. Since I am attending college

where most of the hotties are under 30, I use one spray at a time.

I'm sitting here in the library and I just

had a hit from one of the clerks at the returns desk. She was at first actively ignoring me when I went up for

help. Someone else helped me. I had just applied one spray of Pherlure before I walked to the desk, and after

discussing the book in question with another clerk, I turned to walk away and this girl gives me a bright, radiant

smile and just a little too cheerily says, "Bye!" It was so out of character for what I had seen when she was

dealing with the guy next to me. It was like we'd just had a very good time together or something. And she had

plainly seen me earlier and ignored me without the slightest hesitation.

jvkohl

01-11-2006, 06:44 PM

You

say here that DHEA is not a pheromone, but it [font=&quot]has been shown to equally target both the male and female

human VNO, causing a stimulation of 1mV, as demonstrated via electrovomeronasogram. This was in a study which erox

had funded some 10-15 years ago.
e.g.

url]http://www.erox.com/images/Steroid1.GIF[/url]

The graph shows DHEA is not acting on the

VNO

I also received an information that Androstenol, as this is actually an optical isomer

of DHEA. Basically, it's a ‘mirror image' of the DHEA molecule when viewed three-dimensionally. Mr Kohl, could you

please confirm this?

Sounds unlikely, but I'm not a steroid hormone biochemist (and don't like

tricks that are done with mirrors).

JVK

jvkohl

01-11-2006, 06:47 PM

Yes, Estratetraenol is

the most effective pheromone that stimulates male VNO and Androstadienone stimulates female VNO most effectively.

Estratetraenol is even more powerful than A-1.

So far, no evidence confirms that there is a

functional human VNO.
The response to the chemicals you mention probably originates via the main olfactory system

in humans.

JVK

Chemist

01-11-2006, 07:19 PM

C19 H28 O2 - Moelecular formula for

DHEA
C19 H2 8O - Molecular formula for Androstenone

not the same.

Even if they were optical

isomers, they would not be equivalent. Physiology is very stereospecific (real word) - which means receptors and

binding sites are looking for specific shapes for their sites. The steroid skeleton is stereospecific to begin with.

You can think of a receptor as a lock, and the molecule (substrate) as a key. Some keys will fit into locks

but not be able to turn them (LSD may act on serotin receptors in the same way, hypertension medication does this

also by blocking specific channels in the body) and in many cases, a wrong key will not even fit into a lock.

Imagine a mirror image of a key trying to go into a lock - it most likely will not even be able to penetrate the

lock, much less turn it.

Attached are molecular diagrams of each. The are clearly not mirror images of each

other. There are major structural differences on the left where DHEA has a ---OH and none has a ===O. Also on the

very right, DHEA has a ===O whereas none has no oxygen, but instead has a little extra line in the pentagon over

there - this will cause a major difference in shape for that part of the molecule. Otherwise from that, the two

molecules are the same. The two can be introconverted into one another.

What does this mean? Not a hell of

alot except that they are not optical isomers of each other and they most likely will not act on the same receptor

sites. They will most likely not fit into the same locks.

The Erox graph actually really doesn't say much to

me. I need to know what the hell it means and more importantly the background. The notation in the upper corner that

says "N=21" means that this study was done with only 21 cases. There is nothing to suggest that these 21 subjects

represent the general population. The only thing that can be concluded is that for these 21 cases, that the chemical

on the right eluded more of a voltaic response than all of the others. The voltaic response however, doesn't mean

anything real. THe graph is extremely out of context on its own. It doesn't say anything generalizable in the very

least.

catlord17

01-11-2006, 08:25 PM

Chemist, JVK, can you tell us

if DHEA should have any effect similar to a pheromone? As far as I have found, it's produced by the adrenal glands

and it's ingested as a supplement. Why would it have any effect similar to a pheromone at all? Is it even

secreted in sweat?

luxveritas

01-11-2006, 09:21 PM

is it possible that a DHEA

molecule might be broken down by skin bacteria into other compounds? It seems strange that a company would bother

releasing a product with such an untested chemical when they could apply the same marketing techniques to readily

available chemicals proven to work. I decided not to bother with the stuff because I found this forum with all kinds

of products proven to work. When I was digging for information I did find something that suggested scientists were

interested in testing pheromone properties of DHEA but nothing about DI-DHEA.

Chemist

01-11-2006, 10:54 PM

Here are the structures. Since the

receptor for pheromones isn't structurally known, it is very difficult to predict what binds to what. Anything I

can come up with would be pure conjecture. Suffice to say, any thing beginning with "andro" has the middle hexagonal

rings in common - with all the otehr structures differing in flexibility and angles of chemical bonds by about 15

degrees. I'll write more in detail later if the mood hits me. I would think that DHEA does not bind to the same

receptor sites as andro pheromones, but can be converted into structures that could bind.

itwow

01-12-2006, 12:12 AM

Yes, Estratetraenol

is the most effective pheromone that stimulates male VNO and Androstadienone stimulates female VNO most

effectively. Estratetraenol is even more powerful than A-1.

Estratetraenol will be invaluable when

used with WAGG for all-male working environments. It can also be used with A-1 to mitigate depression in ourselves.

But no one is selling it & I don't want Realm/m

catlord17

01-12-2006, 12:40 AM

It crossed my mind that maybe

DHEA worked by being converted, but I don't think that's what's happening... I have noticed that even without

applying Pherlure to myself, it affects me when I smell it... and I know three women who have shown effects from it

without it having been applied to skin. (They either smelled it on my shirt, or smelled the sprayer.) So whatever

is active in Pherlure must be active without conversion...

Visionary7903

01-12-2006, 03:20 AM

Yes,

Estratetraenol is the most effective pheromone that stimulates male VNO and Androstadienone stimulates female VNO

most effectively. Estratetraenol is even more powerful than A-1.

Haszu:welcome:

have you

experimented with high doses of Estratetraenol or are you basing that statement on the research? If you have

experimented with it can you please tell us in detail the kind of results('hits') it gives for you with both men

and women?

Thanks in advance
Visionary

haszu

01-12-2006, 03:36 AM

Hello Visionary!

I have not yet

tested large doses of Estratetraenol. I wrote what I have heard from some sources (independent producers).

If I

have any new information I will put it here.

Sigma

01-12-2006, 06:47 PM

Hello Visionary!

I

have not yet tested large doses of Estratetraenol. I wrote what I have heard from some sources (independent

producers).

If I have any new information I will put it here.

Interstingly enough, my first

noticable hits came from Realm for men (which contains Estratetraenol), long before I ever found this forum. Realm

was my first phero product product, and had I not seen results from Realm, I would have given up on mones

altogether.

I'm very anxious to get my hands on some straight up estratetraenol just to see what kind of

results a higher concentration produces.

jvkohl

01-12-2006, 07:43 PM

is it possible

that a DHEA molecule might be broken down by skin bacteria into other compounds?

I know that this has

come up before several times. Winnefred Cutler claimed to use DHEA or DHEA sulfate in her products, which is why the

folks at Erox tested DHEA for potential VNO activation. No reason it should have, and it didn't. No likelihood that

DHEA has pheromonal properties by acting through the main olfactory system either. On the other hand, the primary

metabolites of DHEA; androsterone and etiocholanolone are good possibilities for human pheromones. Too much info to

discuss here that supports androsterone as a human pheromone. Besides, it's all in my book, which is available

through Love-scent.com

JVK

catlord17

01-14-2006, 12:48 AM

If that's the case, then it

seems fairly certain there must be something else in Pherlure that's not listed.

platinumfox

01-17-2006, 03:28 AM

ummm k

heres my results testing Pherlure.
This is my 2nd week testing Pherlure. (2 sprays and 1 dab TE)
The day I

drive to school (I'm 17 of course; average good looking;medium build; kinda shy) and walking down the hall way, I

see this very hot tan russian blonde:lovestruc (9/10 face and 10/10 body! YeHaa!:thumbsup: ) that i don't really

know her that well( Very Popular in school). I tried to get her smelling the -mones by passing her closely and what

do you think happen next? She turn around and said Hi to me and tell me how good I smelled. (BIG HIT!:cheers:

) So then we stop and have a little chit chat with her and tell her how shes doing. And then things get a little

bit touchy where she started to get closer to me and touching my clothes and tell me how good I dress and what kinda

brand is it etc... While I ask her there are other more good looking guys trying to hit on her but why me in a bad

mood:rasp: ? LOL), but then she told me how good I was and so on. I also see other guys looking at me and her

talking to me together with respect.

All the ahhs and umms about talking; heres what happen next. After the

chit chat, she gave me her # without asking her (A MUST!) Then we went our separate ways to our classes and stuff.

By lunch I met her again with her friends. I heard her friends talk about me also but her friends were impress of

her talking to me. Then we just chat and sat close to each other cuddling :twisted:. I notice other girls (hot ones)

said hi to me and want to talk to me but I'm just going to stick with this babe for now.

AHHH after school

was the best part of the day...I was going to my car and out of no where she came approaching to me and said hi

again. The most outragous question she ask me is, "Am I Hot?", I'm like, "F**K YES YOU ARE HOT BABE!" -haha She

accepts what I say and ya. The most hardest part of my day was asking her out on a date b/c I wasn't really shure

if the -mones were gone. (I'm a little shy:sad: ) But what the HELL, of all those time chit chatting with the chick

I ask her out anyways and she said yes (HELL YA!) I told her I'll call her and go somewhere to date. :D

There was alot of sexual comments and tension about her . She like jumped on me outside while I was on my cell

talking(I know she wanted sex...) and she was wearing a skirt with those dress boots from A&F I was hugging her and

she didnt care(how nice was that for a guy? LOL)

Later On, I said I have to go and the most happiest day of

my life is when the hottest chick I seen so far in school kissed me on my lips and cheeks and said bye bye. :DDD

(Holy crap man...) Man dude I don't even know this girl very well but in one day of talking to her, were like best

friends now and I'm more popular now since all the people at school see me and her hanging around. (More Girls for

ME:cheers: ) Anyways, I see her everyday at school(hmmm, my luck had came for me:twisted: )

The moment I

think to myself off all that in a day, I'm like (HOLY S&*T mother of god!) the mix I had actually working right.

Although 1 spray of Pherlure like Catlord said has enough for a 17 yr old but I only see some results (Not

spectacular or anything, just stares and smiles) Anyway 2 spray of Pherulre increases more hits I had the same as

the first but nothing exciting.

The moment that I put on 2 sprays Pherlure and 1 dab of TE gel (1/4 as the

product guide says) and go to school to meet that hot chick, I was so dam proud of myself for the first mix I had

for a beginner. :thumbsup: I also think it was TE was working all the way for me. I should buy more TE :D

Well anyway, Pherlure is great when mixing with other -mone like TE but I have to say everyone is different.This

one works for me so far. I see most people say this product doesnt work b/c of the body chemistry so I dunno. I also

tried TE alone but had some hits and some negative ones. I'm so dam happy now that girls are hitting on me.

YAY!

Guys, where can I take her on a date? hmmm I live in Seattle so theres a underage club 16+ and I

dont know if i want to take her there with me so ya...I'm still going to wear the same mix on a date with her since

it worked out. I can't belive I scored myself a very very beautiful chick...
I will soon try other products too

but this one for me is a must. Also, I will post what happen on our date with the mix and to see other people react

to it.

I would like to also thanks for all the people here helping me! Catlord/Sigma, THANKS FOR ALL

THE TIPS MAN, I owe you guys one. :thumbsup:

P.S. This is my first test mix for a

beginner and I don't know how I pulled this one off...
Nice LONG made up story

luxveritas

01-17-2006, 09:51 AM

jvkohl (http://member.php?u=69) I just realized the article that mentioned the use of DHEA as a

fragrance additive was actually written by you. :) I didn't realize your level of scientific experience in this

field. Time for me to search your past posts. :)

I am truely amazed at how difficult it is to find any info on

this topic eventhough I am a professional web

digger.

http://groups.google.

com/group/sci.life-extension/msg/b283f6b13c7339b4?hl=en (http://groups.google.com/group/sci.life-extension/msg/b283f6b13c7339b4?hl=en)

Chemist

01-17-2006, 02:08 PM

jvkohl = scent of eros dude.

b737pilot88

01-17-2006, 04:16 PM

sorry for the

misunderstanding...I meant it was TE that was truly working out for me with pherlure not just by itself.

catlord17

01-17-2006, 05:35 PM

Everyone's got a different

sweet spot, and a different woman to try it on. :)

I had a rather funny Pherlure hit this evening. I was coming

home from a dinner meeting with my assistant, and just to tease her I wore one and a half sprays of Pherlure. She

was surprisingly unaffected. Usually this woman melts when I wear it.

Anyway, as we're walking out to the car,

we pass a couple, each of whom is carrying one of their children. I didn't really pay attention, because I was

tired and just wanted to drop her off and go home, but when we got to the car she turned to me and said, "Holy sh*t,

that was a hit if I ever saw one!"

(She knows about the 'mones.)

I asked what she was referring to, and she

told me that the woman had stopped dead in her tracks, sniffed the air, and then tracked me with her eyes until she

was almost completely turned in the opposite direction. "She darned near dropped her kid!" my assistant told me.

(I think that was an exaggeration.)

I didn't see it, but I wish I had.

MOBLEYC57

01-18-2006, 12:13 PM

sorry for the

misunderstanding...I meant it was TE that was truly working out for me with pherlure not just by itself.

Who really knows what was truly working? :think:

I think most of us here on the Forum would want

nothing but true hit reports, even though sometimes I think some are posting because they have nothing better

to do . Be it the truth or devil's truth, I enjoy the reports, thoughts, and ideas of all of you Madddddd-Mone

Scientist! :cheers:

I've said all that to say ... if it's really working for you, don't be shy about

posting because of what others think/say. It's up to us whether we purchase any product sold here at LS, safest bet

at the moment, or somehwere else, yes? :think:

My 0.1 cent on the subject.

Lorenzo_91

01-18-2006, 08:56 PM

:POKE: Hello forum: is there

anyway I can get some thoughs from "EvErYbOdY" on what mone is in Pherlure in the context of whether it is none

(agressive alpha), the love one, the chattiness one or like the other I forgot. Because it has to have one of the

one's we know about right? Even though they are trying to keep it a secret right? I think that the whole idea of

DHEA is a joke. It :frustrate just does not add up.

:whip: I tried e-mailing them to no avail. I get a response

of some pasting from their site, plus they say that in the context I put above that it increases sexual

attractiveness. Plus I asked if there is the chance of having males become agressive by putting to much. There was

no answer as that would confirm it being none. Lastly I welcome any other thoughts as to the effects of it, and of

course what it is that we are all figuring it really is collectivelly. With the assumption, that it is probably

something and not just a spray with a diluted DHEA pill. Maybe a blend, I also tried e-mailing their lab but it did

not go through.

Finally I want to add that I am a customer of Love-Scent having already made my first order. I

will also be getting SOE roll on, Chikara and Perception. I know this is the place to make all purchases and be in

the know but I was just wondering after reading this whole thread over the past couple days. Sorry for the long

post, and hopefully I can get some insight as to our thought of the real contents by ALL who have been reading along

this T.:welcome:

catlord17

01-20-2006, 12:58 AM

I seem to be the most

experienced user of Pherlureon this board, and certainly the most vocal. My best guess is that Pherlure contains

androsteRONE, and I believe that is true because of four things.

1. DHEA does not make sense.
2. AndrosteRONE is

a derivative of DHEA (as far as I recall).
3. Pherlure gets me lots of respect hits from guys, in addition to

getting responses from women.
4. Pherlure makes me feel a specific way when I wear it. When I wear TE, I don't

feel that way. But when I wear Pherlure + TE, I feel the same as when I wear AE!

My $0.02.

Lorenzo_91

01-20-2006, 02:13 AM

luxveritas

01-20-2006, 07:45 AM

It seems many people like

myself purchase pherlure and then after finding no credible information on the product come here and become a LS

customer. I hope this wasn't bruce's plan :) Maybe LS needs to increase its search engine ratings as a public

service.

I am still anxious to hear other peoples reports on the pherlure product.

catlord17

01-21-2006, 04:28 PM

:box:Catlord17 you the man, that is exactly the type response I have been trying all over to get.

What you said makes perfect sense and you clearly know what your talking about on the pheromones subject without a

doubt I'm sure.
:blink: Will you confirm that the way you wear it is one spray every 3 or 4 hours to avoid OD?

Where is the line with the OD and what would be the effect of OD that, have you had one? What is the effect of two

and how often do you do it? I am in college, would you say that what they say about two for 30+ holds ground? So

therefore try to follow the rules. Also please let me know how you wear it with TE, what ratio of the three you

tried did you like more, 1PH 1TE 1Cover or 211 I am thinking to much TE for the 121 (area of app, what goes on top

of what) and describe that feeling you talked about when mixed and alone. ( I went back and read all your posts, so

I think I got an idea of how you said it makes you feel) But how do you feel when you wear AE which you compare to

PH and TE? Thanks for tolerating my newbi hassle.
:thumbsup: To the forum I want to say that I have my first

love-scent order on the way and soon will purchase the rest of the popular ones everybody here talks

about.

I wear one spray every 3 hours, up to a maximum of three sprays per day. This has the effect of

attracting the younger women, as well as avoiding what would probably be overdose, and it covers about nine hours a

day. I don't know anyone who needs to smell sexy more than nine hours a day.

Two sprays is supposed to be more

attractive to older women, and I find this is true for me. It makes the younger ones think of me more like a father

figure than someone to be attracted to, usually. I use two sprays when I am planning to be around older women, or

in places where I know there's a lot of smoke, such as pool halls. Yes, two sprays for 30+ holds ground in my

experience.

When I wear Pherlure with TE, I wear it in either a 1:1 concentration or a 2:1, with more Pherlure

than TE. I like the 1:1:1 ratio when using with cover, but you have to remember that it takes three sprays of this

combination to equal one spray of each of the component parts.

When I wear it by spraying TE, then Pherlure, then

cover, I usually spray one on each side of my neck - TE left, PH right, and then cover in the middle.

If I mix

them, I just spray them on my neck or sometimes in my hair.

Pherlure makes me feel confident in a James Bond type

way. It's a mature confidence I guess... kind of hard to describe. Similar to what I have read as the response

people have to RONE actually. I have seen it have some rather directly raw sexual responses from women,

though.

TE I don't notice anything at all, unless it's irritability from an overdose. Add the two together and

the raw sexiness of Pherlure becomes a mellow, sensual slower arousal. It's a slow, building arousal, and that's

what AE does. I can'treally describe how I feel with AE ot TE/PH except to say that it's a much more mellow

feeling, and it makes me feel sexier.

I've been avoiding situations where I'd be likely to be attracting too

much sexual attention with 'mones lately, so most of what I have seen has been respect hits. Last night in the

movie theater, I was getting respect hits from the guys sitting near me. Basically, you don't expect guys you

don't know to tell you that they're sure their girlfriends won't be so loud when the movie starts, and it's

still 20 minutes to the movie.

Lorenzo_91

01-21-2006, 10:56 PM

catlord17

01-22-2006, 01:13 AM

:LOL:That is

some funny stuff Catlorld17, I was really enjoing reading your response. The not having to smell sexy more

than 9 hours a day is hilarious.
:lol: You really described that excellent for me. The James Bond feeling is all

you had to say and the feeling sexier part I'm loving. I guess I never thought you know that something could

make me feel sexy but I can't wait. I'm being serious. But your right I do think things are sexy. All day

everyday I need to start using sexy much more often. It's the way forward. I'll begin right now, sexy.

Oh, I really like it.

:thumbsup: Anyways, it sounds unbeatable. One thing I don't think I quite get

was the 111 where you said 3 sprays of the combo equals one spray of the component parts. Everything else I am

totally clear on. By the way what is the reasoning for not putting yourself in situation where you draw tons of

sexual attention. How do you avoid this because I am generally already the center of attention almost all the time

in most situations. Will this be something I will need to worry about or is it more a thing where you are just tired

of it but a newbi like me would actually be loving? Have a fantastic day. Thanks for your last post.

You

have to understand that just because a certain product makes me feel a certain way, does not necessarily mean

the same product will make you feel the same way - or any particular way at all. A lot of people report that TE

makes them feel something, but it does nothing for my mood at all, except if I overdose.

What Pherlure does,

essentially, is make me feel more confident. I don't know how it does that... but that's what I meant by the

"James Bond" thing. And it's not always at the same level of intensity. It depends on other factors as well. But

what James Bond had was an unshakeable sense of confidence, and that is the important thing. Some

here will insist that this is just the power of suggestion acting on me to produce this effect. I disagree. In any

case, confidence is the sexiest thing you can have going for you. Start building your self confidence, and

pheromones will pale in comparison.

Three sprays of the 1:1:1 PH:TE:Cover equals one spray of each because when

you mix them, you have three components, but the volume of fluid released per spray remains constant. Why should it

change that it takes one spray of PH, one spray of TE and one spray of cover when all you have done is mix them

together? Same volume of fluid still - just getting 1/3rd of each of the three per spray now.

I avoid sexual

attention because I'm involved, and the pheromones are just experiments and fun for me. I know I could pull off a

lot more than just flirting, whether or not I use pheromones... but pheros certainly have made it easier.

Regardless, I don't want to end up in a situation that makes my girlfriend distrust me. So I avoid allowing

situations to become too sexual, because I know that women have their ways once they decide they really,

really want a man... That's not to say you should do the same thing, though, especially if you're looking

for someone.

xvs

01-22-2006, 08:21 AM

I got curious about pherlure and

noticed some strange stuff.

http://www.wondersinscience.com seems to be a fake site. If you do a

google search, the only pages on the site are the articles on pherlure.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=site%3Awondersinscience.com&btnG=Search[

/url]

Also, the study they cite was never published (not found on pubmed). And di-dehydroepiandrostenone is

also not found in a pubmed search.

Finally, the study supposedly was at University of Illinois, Chicago, and

the only .edu page on it is this one: [url]http://www2.uic.edu/~mvilch1/ssdnews/research/novelpheromone.html

which is at the U of IL, Chicago.

That page is gone, but the cached version of the page says it was done

at U of Chicago (which is a private school and completely different from U of IL at Chicago)!

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:SxFab99smd8J:www2.uic.edu/~mvilch1/ssdnews/research/novelpheromone.html+

di-dehydroepiandrosterone&hl=en

Wonder in Science also says the study was at U of Chicago.
So

basically it's all fabrication and lies.

They also have another fake site!

http://www.ihealthjournal.com/findinformation/hormonecenter/pheromone7912-009.html
It also has no

pages other than articles on the fake

study.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=site:ihealthjournal.com&num=100&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0[/

url]

This would be silly if it wasn't so messed up!

bjf

01-22-2006, 08:26 AM

That study was fake and posted on a

student's account page. The school took it down. And you're right, it wasn't U of Chicago.

luxveritas

01-22-2006, 11:49 AM

I guess that would makes

sense that the article was fake considering that only the abstract was available and they used a trade named product

for their study.

The abstract mentions pherlure by name which would bring the results of the study into question.

I believe that a scientist would realize that using a trade named product in their study would cause more difficulty

than just using the chemical name.

catlord17

01-22-2006, 09:28 PM

Yeah, there's definitely

something screwy going on with the marketing of Pherlure.

Lorenzo_91

01-23-2006, 12:03 AM

:thumbsup:Catlord thanks

again for all your clarifications and detailed explanation. I follow in everything you are saying. I feel quite

confident that that I will get the same effects you did. It's the same thing as with drugs the vast majority reacts

a certain way and then some get the side effects. With me everything always has the effect that it's supposed to

have and I never fall into the category of side effects or does not work. I am feeling really good and also thanks

for pointing out the fact about confidence. That is so true. It's by far the key element. I have a very high

self-esteem and I work on it daily with self affirmations and other things.
:hammer: Also I will defenitively be

loving all the experimenting. Plus, I am going full out for the sexy like you were saying. Without a doubt. I

don't have a girlfriend and there is so many absolutly glossy and immaculate girly gurls around. I already been

having some fun with APC around 8 drops and I feel the pull of my own aura. I truly think everything is different

like I have stepped in a different dimension. Now that is with APC which everyone says it's scented water. This

should be a riot. I just need to make sure to do my homework with some sexy gurl tutors from every class.
:think:

Lastly in response to what I have read through out the whole thread, I study finance and just from the spec of

marketing I know, I was under the assumption that lying in marketing is not only legal in every sense of the word

but also a common practice and encouraged. Don't we see it all over the place. America's favorite fries, The #1

this, The Best Ever, Never Before Seen, The Choice of who knows, 100 times better, Double Strength, Lifetime

Everything and soo many more. I mean they are lying. Most likely the fact that it's legal does not make it right

but it seems like it is what it is. Of course I could be wrong. It's a crazy society and I myself get sucked in to

all sort of things regularly. Even when I am watching out for it constantly.
:rolleyes:Anyways everything else is

fantastic and I am waiting on everything before I place the order to get the full arsenal of superstar products.

Everybody have a super day!

platinumfox

01-23-2006, 04:22 PM

bjf

01-23-2006, 06:27 PM

Course it's crap. Look, the phone #

in the study has never existed the past few years. The school's social sciences dept never heard of the

study.

There chart is stolen directly from APC, and photoshopped, and much of the ad/sales copy is taken from

APC.

And much of APC's copy seems to come from some sort of German product from 1992 - another case of

plagiarism - that's why IPD/APC doesn't complain.

Some of the copy comes from the Alter Ego description at

the Pheromone Store! Look at the "don't use too much" type copy

And the student account where the study was

posted was removed .... likely due to fraud?

ANd the assistant of Martha McClintock at U of Chicago was

unable to find the study.

They generated fake press on a fake study, making the wrong people look bad. Call

any of those magazines, and they won't be happy

Alex Yak also owns the pheromone review site, not just

pherlure.

Yak, Alex pherlure@pherlure.com
318 Half Day Rd.
Buffalo Grove, Illinois

60089
United States
8476807000

Alex Yak
211 Rush

Dr.
Chicago
Illinois
60610
1.8476807000
Registrant Email:allceleb@mail.com

"ANR Labs"

A

lot of his others websites you've come across... since it's against forum rules to post urls, pm me and i will

provide his sites, so you know where NOT to buy from.

There's not anything screwy with Pherlure's

marketing. It's called fraud.

It's fraud. It's deception. It's wrong. And thank god, it's illegal. One

of the few things that should be, since fraud is just form of theft. It's not marketing.

Marketing is real

work. Fraud is the easy way out taken by villains. The two are totally different.

The punishments are also

different. Excessive hyperbole deserves mistrust. Fraud deserves removal from society.

catlord17

01-23-2006, 10:46 PM

I just

received it today I and smelled it.IT SMELLS LIKE ACQUA DI GIO I wouldnt be surprised if it was Acqua Di Gio.Its

obviously NOT A MONE COLOGNE.Its a marketing scheme from Phelure to leech off of this site.

Have you notice

only these "strangers" are praising about it?(Im not naming names they know who they are)

Have you noticed

these "strangers" only post on this Phelure thread and not any other?

This DHEA whatever it is no one else

ever heard of it?

I notice they try to mimic our mone conversations to make it seem like one of us but they

just want to keep the thread on the front page for more attention.

Then try to say it works well with

Love-scent products so they hopefully can make a sale?

I was a sucker and now Im exposing "Manure Phelure" as

a fake and WARN EVERYBODY ABOUT IT.

I love this site and you know I tell it like it is and I dont want to see

anyone here get conned like I did.

To my nose, it definitely does not smell like Aqua Di Gio. Smells

like Eternity to me, or maybe Cool Water. That's partly why I wear it, because I like Eternity.

By the way,

part of the reason people seem to post only here about Pherlure is because the moderators move threads about it and

merge them with this one.

There's also no big mystery about "strangers" posting about it, because they're

new to 'mones and it's exciting for them, just like it was for you at first. And a lot of the "strangers" talking

about Pherlure these days are younger guys who are too young to be trying to sell it. As for me, I'm not making

money on Pherlure. I signed up to be a distributor, but then decided against it because of the marketing BS and the

fact that my business isn't pheromones.

There's no evil insidious attempt to "mimic" your mone

conversations. And by the way, when I say it works with love scent products, not only am I stating a fact, but I

don't sell pheromones for anyone, so I guess you're wrong on that.

I'm curious to hear your story, though.

What happened that you feel like you were conned? I mean hell, it's blatantly obvious that Pherlure's marketing

is BS to high heaven. That it works for me, I can't help. And because it works for me, I don't understand why

they would be committing advertising fraud. But since I don't sell it, as long as it keeps working for me, I

don't care who else buys it. So let's hear why you're so upset with them. It can't be that you bought a bottle

and it simply didn't work... you sound too P-O'ed for that.

catlord17

01-23-2006, 10:48 PM

bjf, is the pheromone review

site he owns one that has several products listed with stars next to them, and only pherlure got five stars?

b737pilot88

01-23-2006, 11:03 PM

Your right cat,

I came

across a pherlure search and it came to this site where it says pherlure had 5 stars to it and he gave a summary

about it.

:blink:

catlord17

01-24-2006, 12:32 AM

That's the site that first

brought Pherlure to my attention. I should have known it was pure marketing. Especially when one of the LS

products only got two stars.

xvs

01-24-2006, 02:13 AM

So... when does he go to jail for

fraud?

;)

catlord17

01-24-2006, 02:20 AM

These disappearing posts are

starting to make me wonder.

belgareth

01-24-2006, 04:49 AM

These

disappearing posts are starting to make me wonder.
Would you like to clarify what you mean? To date, the

only disappearing posts I know of were either things like "Good post" which we do delete, or posts deleted by the

forum member themselves. If other posts are disapearing, please give me some specifics.

We have and will

continue to merge relevent threads together, it only makes good sense. Starting a bunch of disparete threads about a

single product just makes it hard for people looking for information.

Platinum Fox makes a good point. It does

look pretty suspicious when a half dozen new members join and all want to talk about the same competitor's product

that is already the subject of some pretty sleazy marketing methods. When a dozen new threads are started on the one

product by these new members, despite the many other products out there, it looks even worse. When those same new

members start making comments that seem to imply we moderators may be censoring the discussion, we start getting

downright suspicious. That said, Catlord, would you please explain your comment regarding disapearing posts with any

specific information you have?

platinumfox

01-24-2006, 05:07 AM

platinumfox

01-24-2006, 05:22 AM

bjf, is the

pheromone review site he owns one that has several products listed with stars next to them, and only pherlure got

five stars?Well if its a "5 star mone cologne" ?LOL!Pherlure should have its own message board right

instead of leeching here?

bjf

01-24-2006, 05:25 AM

bjf, is the

pheromone review site he owns one that has several products listed with stars next to them, and only pherlure got

five stars?

Not only was pherlure the only product to get five stars, but it was the only one that

isn't harshly criticized.

Mods, can I post all the urls this guy runs? Honestly, this isn't good for the

industry, for consumers or for Bruce.

luxveritas

01-24-2006, 07:42 AM

I am a stranger and a noob

myself. I had some free time over christmas break and decided to look into pheromones again. I researched them about

1 year earlier and didnt buy anything. When searching for pheromones I came across the 5 star site which

unfortunately sold me on Pherlure. I cannot say that pherlure doesn't work but I also cant say there is no such

thing as a purple cow. Perhaps these other strangers are like me and just had too much time and money laying around

over christmas break.

Catlord seems credible enough from his threads on multiple topics and there seem to be a

few other people giving this product praise but I decided to return it myself because there is almost no way to

personally prove that pherlure behaves like a pheromone in one months time.

cheers Catlord keep up the good

fight

catlord17

01-24-2006, 04:16 PM

Would you

like to clarify what you mean? To date, the only disappearing posts I know of were either things like "Good post"

which we do delete, or posts deleted by the forum member themselves. If other posts are disapearing, please give me

some specifics.

We have and will continue to merge relevent threads together, it only makes good sense. Starting

a bunch of disparete threads about a single product just makes it hard for people looking for information.

Platinum Fox makes a good point. It does look pretty suspicious when a half dozen new members join and all want to

talk about the same competitor's product that is already the subject of some pretty sleazy marketing methods. When

a dozen new threads are started on the one product by these new members, despite the many other products out there,

it looks even worse. When those same new members start making comments that seem to imply we moderators may be

censoring the discussion, we start getting downright suspicious. That said, Catlord, would you please explain your

comment regarding disapearing posts with any specific information you have?

I was just becoming curious

because several of my posts have disappeared - things I said that seemed relevant and cogent, but not offensive... I

thought they were being deleted as a form of censorship. I didn't delete them. What exactly did you want to

know?

catlord17

01-24-2006, 04:24 PM

Hmmmm?Why

are are so defensive of "Manure Phelure" Catlord?Wheres your good friend Ilana?

Platinumfox, I'm not

defensive at all. I disagree with you. It's not the first and won't be the last time I disagree with someone.

But I'm also not going to cower because someone does not agree with me. Pherlure works for me. Call it what you

will, but it does.

You have every right to your opinion, but I'm not here to pick a fight nor finish one.

I've grown tired of the fighting over Pherlure. If you don't like it, don't use it. I couldn't care less.

Fighting over it doesn't make any sense. I'm only here to discuss things that interest me, not sell stuff. So

don't demonize me for speaking the truth as I have experienced it.

And Ilana does not post here because she has

nothing to say. She is one of the women I have encountered on whom Pherlure has an effect, by the way. She also

seems to like TE, AE and EW, in case you were wondering.

I was not trying to say Pherlure was a five star

product. I was merely trying to describe the web page. That web page has it listed as five stars. Perhaps I

should have phrased it differently.

belgareth

01-24-2006, 05:52 PM

I was just

becoming curious because several of my posts have disappeared - things I said that seemed relevant and cogent, but

not offensive... I thought they were being deleted as a form of censorship. I didn't delete them. What exactly did

you want to know?Are you accusing us of censorship? If so, say it clearly instead of beting around the bush.

Especially after I was the one who refused to close this thread in the first place. If that's not it, give me

approximate dates so I can look them up.

jvkohl

01-24-2006, 08:27 PM

Are you

accusing us of censorship? If so, say it clearly instead of beting around the bush. Especially after I was the one

who refused to close this thread in the first place. If that's not it, give me approximate dates so I can look them

up.

I made the initial request to have this thread be censored; had a heated off-Forum debate with

Belgareth; and fortunately, he prevailed. I'm glad the thread has continued, as it is the best example of a

marketing scam I've seen -- at least with regard to the concept of human pheromones. So far as I'm concerned, the

longer this thread continues, the more it speaks against the Pherlure product. But it is obvious that the folks at

Pherlure want to capture any attention that they can, even if it means negative attention.

JVK

catlord17

01-24-2006, 08:42 PM

Are you

accusing us of censorship? If so, say it clearly instead of beting around the bush. Especially after I was the one

who refused to close this thread in the first place. If that's not it, give me approximate dates so I can look them

up.

I am not the type to beat around the bush. Instead, I tend to wait until I have evidence of

something, and ask what's going on. I'm also making no accusations.

I made a post yeasterday in response to

Platinumfox, I believe, and the post is gone. I was just starting to notice that my posts weredisappearing, as that

was what I thought was the third time it happened. Since I wasn't sure, I didn't jump to conclusions. But I am

sure about the post to this thread.

catlord17

01-24-2006, 08:56 PM

I made the

initial request to have this thread be censored; had a heated off-Forum debate with Belgareth; and fortunately, he

prevailed. I'm glad the thread has continued, as it is the best example of a marketing scam I've seen -- at least

with regard to the concept of human pheromones. So far as I'm concerned, the longer this thread continues, the more

it speaks against the Pherlure product. But it is obvious that the folks at Pherlure want to capture any attention

that they can, even if it means negative attention.

JVK
(http://)

James, I respect you as a researcher

and scientist, but it seems to me that what I read above is a way of saying that I am somehow affiliated with

Pherlure and trying to sell for them through this thread. Quite frankly, I find that insulting, and insults don't

do much for respect.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, but I think the only reason this thread is such a

hot button issue is because nobody else has an open mind about it. If it was treated with the same attitude any

other product gets treated with, nobody would be writing in this thread! Nobody but me, since I enjoy sharing my

hits. And I would share my hits if they were from SOE, APC, Pherlure, AE, or TE. Hits are hits.

Now it's

become apparent that because I have experiences that a number of you consider impossible based on faulty logic, I am

becoming the target of increasing negativity. The negativity is unreasonable and shows that some people here have

rigid thinking. If you disagree with me, fine, but do you have any experience with Pherlure? Did you ever try to

put it through any testing? Going by some moronic ad campaign says nothing about the product at all. It speaks

solely to the stupidity of the advertiser.

That said, have someone who has some Pherlure and didn't like it send

it to you, and do some tests on it for Christ's sakes! Do some tests. See what happens. Have a friend test it.

Blind and double blind test it. The more scientific the better! I don't care if you buy any in order to test it.

But when you test it, assume nothing. Let the evidence of your tests speak for themselves. Right now, your opinion

is just that, and based only on advertising. I on the other hand, see results in real life, and they don't go away

just because the advertiser is an idiot!

Until you have scientific evidence that Pherlure is garbage, and I mean

experiments and real science, your opinion is not of Pherlure, it's of the advertising campaign. My experiences

may not be hard science, but they're a hell of a lot closer than analyzing a product's validity based on the

advertising used to sell it!

Finally, that you would suggest censorship to squelch a point of view you disagree

with based on this astoundingly poor logic is nothing less than flabbergasting. What kind of research did you do on

SOE before you started selling it, if you're so quick to judge another product based on the advertising? It makes

me wonder. And doubt.

xvs

01-24-2006, 09:38 PM

catlord17

01-24-2006, 09:51 PM

XVS, my point is to draw

attention to the fact that deciding a product cannot work based solely on second hand information (in this case,

advertising) is absurd. And also to draw comparison to the contrast between the tests that one got, but not the

other. If it's fake, why not come up with scientific proof? Why not crush my argument with that?

Fake

advertising does not speak well of the product, no. But if I was to describe a Volkswagen Beetle as "the best car

ever", would that mean it was not a vehicle? That is along the lines of the logical fallacy being committed here.

The advertising does not really tell you whether the product does what they claim. That's why there is such a

thing as independant product testing.

Explain to me why I have gotten better hits with this "snake oil" than with

anything else, even when the subjects did not know I was wearing anything? If it's just the power of suggestion,

how can I keep repeating these experiences, with people who don't know I use pheromones at all? I know it's

easier to just write me off as a liar and an astroturfer and all that, but the truth is, I do have these

experiences, and my best hits are always from Pherlure, or some mixture containing Pherlure.

False advertising,

yes. But the product has something in it that does have an effect. I don't know what... but I do know there's

something functional in it.

catlord17

01-24-2006, 09:53 PM

By the way,there is no point

in beating a dead horse. I don't see any reason to argue this point when it's obvious that nobody's going to

change their minds.

platinumfox

01-24-2006, 10:24 PM

Its sooo obvious that Catlord

has money involved in Pher-MANURE I have never seen someone defend something so much like their life depended on

it.Im exposing it for what it is and hopefully Pher-MANURE will to the "product graveyard" along with Jello Pudding

Pops and New Coke.I would like to see this thread locked or deleted the agenda of certain posters who back up this

crap is crystal clear and doesnt deserve anymore attention.

Lorenzo_91

01-24-2006, 10:29 PM

:thumbsup:Catlord17 that

was really really intense. I mean just by sheer intensity this is the best thread. I just want to say I hope

everything is golden with everyone and let's all stay on the way forward with whatever

it is that we think the way forward is. Wow, but some people take it a bit far and just get crude.
:hammer: Also

yes I am brand new, newbe, stranger whatever and if it takes going around making a couple dozen you go... posts like

some others to raise my rank and not be called some stranger I'll do it. Just let me know. Because I am a

loyal customer and I'll make it happen. What's the top rank?
:think: Finally somebody tell me if I am wrong but

I was under the impression that competition was good for business. This due to the fact that nobody can develop an

entire or the whole market. Then only being responsible for developing the portion of the market that one can

personally develop. There is nothing that's everything. Unless it's not profitable for the next person. On that

note IMO it's the owner's right to just squash this if he does not like it and I would see nothing wrong with it

because whatever hurts the bottom line is just bad everything. Anyways, I am loving the forum and everyone have

super day. I received my first LS order so tomorrow should be outstanding and crazy fun. Peace:thumbsup:

platinumfox

01-24-2006, 10:44 PM

[QUOTE} Wow, Platinumfox what

is up? [/QUOTE]Hopefully the blood pressure of the marketing team of Pher-MANURE after they product goes under from

this thread.

oscar

01-24-2006, 10:45 PM

catlord17,

I cannot find a

single post of yours in this thread that has been deleted. You DO have replies showing on the board to Platinum

Fox's posts too.
Try logging out so the "Reply" button goes away, maybe that way you can just READ the posts

you're claiming were deleted.

Interestingly enough, we had ANOTHER guy going for "censorship martyrdom" earlier

this week. This guy deleted 7 of the 19 posts that he had on this thread HIMSELF, and then PM'ed a moderator to ask

where his posts had gone. I find it very curious that now that it's known that we mods can see deleted posts, AND

who deleted them, you're suddenly claiming that we're deleting posts that never existed.

Just in case anyone

doubts that we know what posts have been deleted, and by whom, here's the text of just one of the user-deleted

posts from the guy who tried the censorship scam earlier this week:

"cat i sent u a pm.."

Ring a bell? ;)

I strongly recommend that you make your reply, and ALL further inquiries regarding missing posts, by PM as

specified in the sticky threads.

Oscar
Moderator
Love-Scent Forums

Lorenzo_91

01-24-2006, 10:47 PM

Yeah good one just make stuff

up, what in the are you talking about? You seem upset. I hope you don't take that to heart but I don't know how to

explain what your saying. Peace
Also out of respect for the forum I will make this my last post on this thread

because I am sure there is good times in other threads. So I think I've said what I want to say and to all the

moderators I did not know this was such a touchy subject because I am new and it was a thread I read all the way

through. So anyways I have come full circle on this. Right on the monyt 737Pilot

b737pilot88

01-24-2006, 10:50 PM

ooh cmon guys, if anyone has

pherlure that tried it and it works for them; then it works for them. If it doesn't, return it. Simple as that. no

more arguing! period

Now i'm with catlords response for once because it had some affect on me which i got

some girls say hi to me a few time while wearing it alone. So we all know that something is in it but hey, if it

works then it works.

So lets stop this debating thingy and this is suppose to be a results and hits posts not

just arguing each other in here...Peace out:cheers:

catlord17

01-24-2006, 10:52 PM

Yeah good

one just make stuff up, what in the ___ are you talking about? You seem a little deranged. I hope you don't take

that to heart but I don't know how to explain what your saying. Peace:run:

Deranged? If you're

referring to my analogy, I was trying to make a comparison. You'll have to specify what you mean before I can

explain myself.

Lorenzo_91

01-24-2006, 10:56 PM

:box:Oh no Catlord I think

that was a strong word therefore if you see my edit it is not there but I was referring to Platinumfox screaming out

M.... You know I was not referring to you, we're golden. Same as with Platfox but I think he's upset. :box:

platinumfox

01-24-2006, 10:57 PM

Its obvious someone has

multiple email accounts and I guessing each "stranger" is linked to it.

catlord17

01-24-2006, 10:58 PM

Use quotations to avoid

confusion. lol

It seems to me that Platfox is more upset than is reasonable, which does seem odd, but hey,

whatever.

Lorenzo_91

01-24-2006, 11:02 PM

:nono:There we go again did

you not read what I said about being a stranger, is there anything I can do about that? I don't think so. I don't

like the acussations your making. PFox, anyways I apologize for the word I used I already changed it. I can delete

the whole message if you find it offensive. But I don't think there is anything more offensive than what you are

doing by insinuating that strangers have some sort of hidden agenda. In my case you are way of the mark, so there it

is. I am out.:nono:

catlord17

01-24-2006, 11:02 PM

Its obvious

someone has multiple email accounts and I guessing each "stranger" is linked to it.

Must I now suffer yet

more ridiculous assumptions? Platfox, chill out. You disagree with me. That's fine. But I have better things to

do than pull the sort of crap you're trying to accuse me of, apparently.

And by the way, I do have multiple

e-mail accounts. Only one is registered here. Check the IP if you like, smarty. Stop accusing me of stupid

shit.

I love how nobody here seems to have the balls or common courtesy to make accusations directly. I can

handle it. If you're going to accuse me of something, at least have that level of courtesy.

belgareth

01-24-2006, 11:17 PM

I am not the

type to beat around the bush. Instead, I tend to wait until I have evidence of something, and ask what's going on.

I'm also making no accusations.

I made a post yeasterday in response to Platinumfox, I believe, and the post is

gone. I was just starting to notice that my posts weredisappearing, as that was what I thought was the third time it

happened. Since I wasn't sure, I didn't jump to conclusions. But I am sure about the post to this

thread.
I just checked the logs. There was no post from you in this thread that was deleted yesterday. I

checked back to 1/11/06 and not one post from you had been deleted. What exactly are you trying to prove? I'll tell

you right now that your public accusations of censorship and false claims have me pretty unhappy. If you had a

problem with our actions, you should have come to any one of the mods through PMs and we would have helped you.

Instead, you make false accusations here?

xvs

01-25-2006, 04:27 AM

Getting back to the point of comparing

Pherlure with SOE we have:

Pherlure
- claims to use a chemical that doesn't exist:

di-dehydroepiandrosterone
- refers to studies which never happened
- created fake web sites to make people

think the fake studies really happened
- deliberately went way out of its way to deceive people

SOE
-

uses real compounds that have been studied extensively - androstenone and androsterone
- is based on real studies

that were published in peer-reviewed science journals

And yet Catlord compares the two as if each were just

as likely to be a reasonable product.

Get this straight: a product with fake ingredients and deliberately

faked studies using multiple fake websites is NOT a legitimate product.

No way, no how.

This is an

entirely different category of fake than any other pheromone product on the market. Others use exaggerated claims or

have hardly any pheromones etc. But only Pherlure actually has gone to the trouble of creating fake sites and fake

studies.

In doing this, they've gone over the line from marketing to fraud. Plain and simple.

belgareth

01-25-2006, 04:46 AM

XVS,

That's -Nole and

-Rone, there's no -None in SoE.

platinumfox

01-25-2006, 05:46 AM

Well if

its a "5 star mone cologne" ?LOL!Pherlure should have its own message board right instead of leeching

here?I noticed theres an "excuse" for all my other questions but this one will never be answered.

jvkohl

01-25-2006, 09:40 AM

C'mon Catlord. Your're

being absurd.

SOE is based on published research about the pheromones that are in it.

Pherlure is a

fake product claiming to use a nonexistant chemical (di-dehydroepiandrosterone) and citing fake studies which are

promoted on fake sites.

Do you see a difference?

Thanks for stating the obvious XVS (and

others). I will add that I am one of few Forum participants who is not anonymous. Instead, by virtue of my domain

(since 1996), I have referenced page after page of scientific studies that directly relate to the

concept of human pheromones, as well as to the overwhelming support for use of compounds that have been validated

for use in products, and that have established their usefulness through anecdotal support.

Products, like

Pherlure, insult the intelligence of anyone involved in research, and most people in general. That's why I

advocated censorship -- which I thought was the best way to eliminate any attention to a product that has no

scientific worth; it has only deceitful marketing.

Consider what might happen if a regulatory agency began

to investigate the Pherlure fraud. Repercussions might involve products that legitimately incorporate research

findings on known compounds. If anyone has followed the stem-cell research scam out of Korea, they have a better

idea of these likely repercussions. Perhaps we could have another Forum discussion classification for "Garbage

products/topics." Censorship could thereby be avoided, while still maintaining the integrity of the Pheromone

Forum.

JVK

markosans

01-25-2006, 06:33 PM

i bought the stupid pherlure,

going to try and and hope it works for about 2 weeks, then im gettin my money back. Im glad they refund 100% of my

money before 30 days, so at least i wont get ripped. And, doing more research led me here, and im planning on

trying SoE because its seems to be the favorite starter.

Oh, the reciept on the order form is basically all

blank, like it was printed on computer paper, and not by an actually company, and it says 'Pherlure Colonge' not

pheremone this or whatever.

It may make a good cologne, if one is willing to pay for it....

to all like me

- return your pherlure! and buy from love-scent!!

Oh, can anybody give meother good begginer products, the ones

that are better to try first.

thanks!

catlord17

01-25-2006, 07:41 PM

Ladies and gentlemen... we

seem to have a growing misunderstanding here.

Let me state my point.

It does not follow logically that

a product is X because the advertising states Y. There are laws to limit advertising because an advertiser can say

whatever they like about a product otherwise. I'm not arguing that there is no fraud going on, or what have you.

I'm arguing that logically, you can not know that a product works - or does not - by the advertising! That is my

only point.

And it's not worth arguing over. Think what you will.

xvs

01-25-2006, 08:03 PM

Sure, I suppose there's some

probability that a fake product using fake ingredients that's advertised using fraud could actually

work.

There's also some probability that all the air in a room will spontaneously move to one corner,

leaving you to suffocate in a vacuum.

Both probabilities are so vanishingly small that they aren't worth

considering.

belgareth

01-25-2006, 08:12 PM

In catlord's defense, how do

you really know that any pheromone product works? I believe they do but there have been people on the forum that

could't get results no matter what they tried. How do we know that they were not right and that we are not

imagining it? Our results could be no more than the projection of our belief that they will work. The same could be

applied to catlord. All our results are very subjective.

Personaly, I believe that if you used distilled water

and told people they were wearing a magic potion that a certain percentage would get results. Catlord may be getting

the results he claims but it also may be a placebo. Indeed, my own results may be a placebo. I don't believe that

but what do I KNOW?? Catlord believes his results and I'd imagine most of you out there believe your own results or

you wouldn't be here. How about if we stop trying to kill the messenger and only address the product issues?

I

didn't appreciate his implication that we were censoring his posts and I think we deserve an apology for that. But,

at the same time, I believe it is possible that catlord believes what he writes.

Kong

01-25-2006, 08:42 PM

wow. what a debate.

anyways this

is my first post, i've been lurking and reading this thread for a while now and i finally signed up and it took a

couple of days before my account finally got validated. anyways now i can give my 2 cents on the topic.

anyhow

like one of the guys previously mentioned in this thread, i did had some money leftover from christmas and i

stumbled upon that pheromone review site that gave Pherlure the 5 star rating. after reading that and stumbling

along the review done by askmen and finding another (now i realized it's probably another cheap scam) site/blog

where it showed pictures and a video of girls with the Pherlure bottle in hand, and i hastily bought 3 bottles of

the thing. (and having a number of drinks before hand didn't help my judgement as well)

since i live in canada

it will naturally take longer for it to arrive and i'll be waiting a good 7-10 days. during the time i was waiting

i decided to look more into what i hell i bought and whether it was worth the $100+ i just blew my money on. and so

i found this forum. honestly had i stumbled on this forum beforehand i would have never ever bought any bottles of

Pherlure at all.

i finally got the stuff a couple days ago, and as it says the package was quite discreet and it

was labeled as Atomizer. well i tested it out yesterday and today at my university that i go to, and it was just

like any other boring day on campus. i've never tried pheromones before so i would know what i true hit would be,

but all i know so far is that using Pherlure, nothing out of the oridinary happened. on the bright side it does

smell quite nice, but after a side by side smell sniffing and trying it on for two days i know for a fact that it is

NOT acqua di gio (which is part of my cologne colllection). it does smell briefly similar, but definately not the

same thing, unless it might have been mixed in with something.

i probably won't refund the bottles as i threw

out the receipt already (no idea why i did that), but hopefully more research on the forums i might purchase and add

some unscented stuff here from LS and make my own creation.

so that's my 2 cents so far, i will definately post

more if i notice something different with my Pherlure develops.

bjf

01-25-2006, 08:52 PM

I can't believe you thought that

site/blog was real. This is kind of depressing.

tounge

01-25-2006, 08:56 PM

In catlord's

defense, how do you really know that any pheromone product works? I believe they do but there have been people on

the forum that could't get results no matter what they tried. How do we know that they were not right and that we

are not imagining it? Our results could be no more than the projection of our belief that they will work. The same

could be applied to catlord. All our results are very subjective.

Personaly, I believe that if you used

distilled water and told people they were wearing a magic potion that a certain percentage would get results.

Catlord may be getting the results he claims but it also may be a placebo. Indeed, my own results may be a placebo.

I don't believe that but what do I KNOW?? Catlord believes his results and I'd imagine most of you out there

believe your own results or you wouldn't be here. How about if we stop trying to kill the messenger and only

address the product issues?

I didn't appreciate his implication that we were censoring his posts and I

think we deserve an apology for that. But, at the same time, I believe it is possible that catlord believes what he

writes.

I concur completely with Belgareth. I don't think that Pherlure is anymore effective

than a bucket of urine, but what agency regulates arificial pheromones? Any of them? Many many intelligent people

think we are all foolish suckers.

bjf

01-25-2006, 09:07 PM

There are agencies against consumer

fraud...

catlord17

01-25-2006, 09:22 PM

Let me try explaining my point

another way. Hypothetical: If I take a bottle of androstenone, and add some scent, and then advertise it with all

sorts of garbage that's not true said about it, but never mention anywhere that it has a substance in it that is

known to work, the fact remains that:

1. It still has androstenone in it, and
2. Some people will see

results, and some will not.

Can anyone point to faulty logic in my conclusion? Really, if I am wrong, I'd

love to understand where. I simply fail to see the fault in my logic.

tounge

01-25-2006, 09:37 PM

There are agencies

against consumer fraud...

But who regulates the Pheromone companies? I'm am going on Bruce's

word, because I think he is a honest man. But are all the companies on the same level of integrity? If I take a

Perception gel pack to be tested, will it have what the makers say it has, and in the exact amounts as advertised?

Too many main line business marketers oft times screw the consumer, so why would this below the radar business be

any different. Not looking for a debate, but just food for thought.

MOBLEYC57

01-25-2006, 09:51 PM

tounge

01-25-2006, 09:57 PM

Why worry? If something is

effective for you, than stick with it and share your success. If a product does not work for you after a fair trial,

blast away so that everyone will know.

catlord17

01-25-2006, 10:22 PM

When someone buys a pheromone

product, they don't automatically know what to look for. A lot of people assume,. just as I did at first, that if

they see no results in the first couple days, that it doesn't work.

Now of course we all know that to

reasonably and fairly test a product, it has to be used for a period of time, and in a variety of situations and

concentrations. So, how many of you can say you have tried Pherlure? And of those who can, how many of you gave it

the same sort of testing you'd give any of Bruce's current products? Just curious. Because much to my surprise,

APC, which I had originally written off as BS, seems to be making a significant contribution to my current favorite

mix when I use three drops at a time.

If you haven't tried it, you really have no opinion of value... and if

you tried it, but didn't test it well, you really can't have much of an opinion there either. That's why I

don't go around saying anything about androstadienone, for instance. I've not had any of it to test in a

reasonable fashion.

How many of you here who are insisting that I'm delusional have tried Pherlure and

tested it the same as whatever you currently favor?

belgareth

01-26-2006, 04:19 AM

You have to ask yourself why we

would believe you are getting those results. As I said, you may believe you are but it may just as well be your

imagination. Since there is good evidence that the whole product is a bunch of faked data how do we even know there

is anything in it but alcohol and water with a few drops of perfume?

You're expecting everybody on the forum

to take your testing at face value when you yourself are an unknown value. Other than your own statements, the forum

users have no way of knowing whether you are even real. Put yourself in their places and think about what you would

do.

kenjhow

01-26-2006, 05:50 AM

I am just glad i got it because

it somehow lead me here :)
It smells good too. That is that. "can't we all just get along?"
What i don't get is

why do they have to make this great effort of marketing a bogus product when all they have to do is to put some

legit mones in it.
why make sh*t up when you don't have to!?
oh well

Pongo

01-26-2006, 05:54 AM

Mones are REAL $expensive$

EDIT: bogus pheromones need to be exposed ~ I dont know about this product but - I have burnt up way to much money

on baby oil and the like - no more.

belgareth

01-26-2006, 06:09 AM

Everybody,

Whether any of

us believe Pherlure is a wonder product or snake oil, we are going to stop the personal attacks right now. If you

want to flame somebody, go do it elsewhere. If you want to debate the merits of a product, your welcome to do it

here.

Pongo

01-26-2006, 06:25 AM

Hope I didnt seem to flame catlord

- I like the dude and dont flame at all even if I get torched.

bjf

01-26-2006, 06:32 AM

But who regulates the

Pheromone companies? I'm am going on Bruce's word, because I think he is a honest man. But are all the companies

on the same level of integrity? If I take a Perception gel pack to be tested, will it have what the makers say it

has, and in the exact amounts as advertised? Too many main line business marketers oft times screw the consumer, so

why would this below the radar business be any different. Not looking for a debate, but just food for

thought.

You are right, you don't always get what you pay for.

But I think it's much more

likely that the government will make this illegal than set up a regulatory agency to monitor whether we're properly

getting our andro sex juice. The best way for people to educate each other is through passing knowledge in the

pheromone community, and keeping it our community.

catlord17

01-26-2006, 06:58 AM

Alright, Belgareth, I see your

point. I'm an unknown. I'm just used to being treated with more respect, and I get that respect in person

because I deserve it. You guys are probably much more used to dealing with lowlifes on the Internet than I am. I

tend to expect honesty and I default to being honest. However, you guys cannot know whether that is true or

not.

That doesn't change the fact that the argument against Pherlure doesn't hold water using the logic

that it can't work if it's poorly advertised. And because that is true, there's no grounds for argument.

I would dearly love to see Pherlure scientifically analyzed for content, and tested for effect. If I could,

I'd test it myself. I'd do something like 500 or 1000 test subjects to start with, and test them for blood

pressure, heart rate, brain activity, thermal imaging signature, breath rate, mood, thoughts, and so on. I think

that would be absolutely fascinating. I'm dying to know what's really in it, since nothing else I have gives the

same results. Is it Rone? I'd also like to do the same sort of tests on other products as well.

About the

only tests I can do are the ones I have done. I wear it, and then I watch people. I prefer to watch people who do

not know me, because they're less likely to be aware that I'm doing an experiment. I do things like put some on

in the bathroom, and then search for someone who interests me and sit down near her. Then I observe how she

responds for about 5 minutes, and initiate conversation. Sometimes I go to parties and observe the effects on both

sober and inebriated people, as well as people who don't like me, vs those who do, and those who aren't interested

already vs those who are. I try to do all my experiments as blind tests, and I try to be as "me" as possible to

avoid contaminating the results with my own knowledge. Double blind would be interesting, too, if I could find a

way to do that.

I suppose the only other test I could try would be the "Chair in a dentist's office"

experiment type. I think I am going to try that experiment with Pherlure, TE and AE, if I can.

belgareth

01-26-2006, 07:17 AM

Agreed that the argument does

not hold water. But, by the same token, your claims don't either, especially when it could be, for all we know, no

more than water/oil/alcohol and some perfume. Your testing, even assuming absolute honesty on your part, is no more

than subjective and of almost no value.

luxveritas

01-26-2006, 07:42 AM

It seems that a conclusion to

this thread would be there is no way to prove or disprove at this time whether or not pherlure is a legit product

sold under fraudulant claims or a fraudulant product sold under fraudulant claims.

Even if strangers or noobs

came on this forum praising the product no ones mind will change. Unfortunately I really wanted to know if it really

worked or not and there have only been 2-3 users that have claimed it has worked for them and 2-3 who claim it did

not work for them.

marcuccio88

01-26-2006, 08:54 AM

Coincidentally I got into a long conversation with a serious steroid chemist this morning and at one

point out of the clear blue sky Pherlure came up. If I tell you what he said, you wouldn't believe me, so I asked

him to post the info himself. Hopefully, we'll hear from him soon. Me, all I know is they are major spammers.

B

hi
First post! Upon "discovering" pheromones I have been an avid reader of this forum - even the

archives. I have also made several purchases and am trying things out. I have also been reading this thread since

its birth. My question is was there ever any follow up on what the serious steroid chemist said? (see above quote

from Bruce).

Love this forum!
mc

tounge

01-26-2006, 11:10 AM

You are right, you

don't always get what you pay for.

But I think it's much more likely that the government will make this

illegal than set up a regulatory agency to monitor whether we're properly getting our andro sex juice. The best way

for people to educate each other is through passing knowledge in the pheromone community, and keeping it our

community.

I would not worry about gvmt regulation, unless it is proven that pheromones

are clearly a hazard to health.

It is basically a "Buyer beware" deal. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy any

product. And there are enough intelligent people around here who will check into a products claims, and point out

the fraudulant claims. It is then up to the individual to decide for himself, if he will take a chance on that

product.

markosans

01-26-2006, 03:30 PM

Ok been trying pherlure for

about 3 days, and i only can tell i am more confident and a little less anti-social, which is probably only a

placebo like effect. Since i am a person that doesnt ever quit, i will be using pherlure for about 25 days, and

after that i will return it, and get my $40 back. I will also take out as much from the bottle as i can before i

return it, and keep that for possible future experiments.

And to all you pherlure flammers, dont flame just

yet. Before critiqueing it, why dont you buy a bottle of it and test it. Even though i have not drawn conclusions

yet in my own personal experience, i have the right to an opinion on the effects of this product. The site has the

pherlure product has the same money back guarantee, like Bruces products at LC. I will say im ordering a men's

sample, because its 1 cent, and possibly a SoE spray. Also, i really have NO IDEA even if LC's stuff will work,

but thats why we experiment. We cannot say something is bad, imperfect, and is a total P.O.S.

To prove

something works or not, replicate the experiment with a very similar procedure like that mentioned by Catlord.

Gather some data and prepare the results. Also, One must have a control and multiple experimental groups, consider

a bottle with regular fragrance and 2 other bottles with pherlure and other phermone prducts. Also, use similar

amounts of concentrations and same time for increasing the amount used. Also, all experiments must be double-blind

and if possible, done by mutliple people. The double-blind procedure should keep out subjective and bias

information from changing the results of the data.

I congradulate Catlord for finding postive results, whether

because of a placebo or the contents of the product. If he can get some poontang, then what the hell, thats a good

thing!

If this forum was the general ideas of everyone else, science would be put in an ugly and evil

position. I could claim that horse semen cures cancer...and even if it did, i think i would be flammed for

this...(sick sh*t, though truthfully human semen, when eaten, prevents cancer...(WTF! LOL!)). And someone could

also claim that medicines like ritalin help control ADHD in children, and could be flammed by some idiot (maybe a

Scentologist *cough* *tom cruise*).

So, to conclude, dont go be ignorant until you have tested and have come to

a conlusion based on true results. A theory may be proposed, but a theory means nothing unless back with solid

proof of data. Replication of the experiment is madatory so that other's can prove if it works or not.

So

what do you think?:type:

tounge

01-26-2006, 03:43 PM

What do I think? I think you are a

bit of an unethical cheat. Give the product a fair try, yes. But don't use it and then remove some more and then

send back. You are no more ethical than the seedy scum that markets the product. And yes, I am starting to see a

pattern of newbies who are a wee bit too familiar with each other and the Pherlue agenda.

markosans

01-26-2006, 03:54 PM

yes, a strange but true fact,

pherlure was the first advertised, and as they procaliamed 'pheremone' product i saw. Im always very skeptical

about these things, but since the price wasnt out of bounds, and the 100% money back garantee, i was like whatever,

give it a chance and if nothing happens, send it back. Makes sense? i decided to check the chemical formula - the

Di-DHEA thing, and after a few links, i came across the pherolibrary, and then this forum and love-scent. Soo...

yes i may be a newb, but you and everyone were all newbs at some point.

If there was no money back at

pherlure, i would not have purchased. But then again, it led me, and others, here, which is good because, while

still remaining skeptical even here with LS until the bottle is in hand, i have found more products to help gain

that edge with the ladys!

The whole thing is to see what can make people get the most poontang, so whatever gets

you some is what should be used.

markosans

01-26-2006, 04:28 PM

and,
what is one product most

reccommended to try first?
im getting a free sampler of course, and am thinking about SoE, pheros, and/or chikara.

I dont want to spend over $100 on my first buy, but I want one solid product that would be maybe the best to start

with. To briefly describe myself for a good selection(s), im kind of anit-social because i dont really care, im

average (not hot stud, but not really ugly nerd), i am pretty intelligent, i am pretty skinny, am honest and not a

total jackass. I do have friends, but i can say sometimes i feel like a shadow because i just watch because i dont

feel like really saying anything relavant in a normal conversation. Im young, and i want to see if this stuff will

show me that edge. Im a junior in high school, 17 years of age. I do get limited attention from woman, but i feel

being this young doesnt make me really care about women; not that of a sexual animal. I am about 5 ft 9 inches, and

am currently only 125 pounds... but am currently trying to add some muscle to not look like a total wimp. I like to

kind of stay in the background and in a sense let the girls start, and thats what might be needed in this situation.

Thanks for the help in selecting a good starting product.

Mtnjim

01-26-2006, 05:01 PM

What do I think? I

think you are a bit of an unethical cheat. Give the product a fair try, yes. But don't use it and then remove some

more and then send back. You are no more ethical than the seedy scum that markets the product. ...
Hate to

rip a new guy, but I have to agree with you on this one!! The twerp is a thief, plain and simple!!:nono:

platinumfox

01-26-2006, 05:04 PM

I received

it last week and smells just like Acqua Di Gio.There are no mones in it at all its just a regular cologne.I got

scammed and I dont want the same to happen to anyone else so Im starting this thread to expose Pher-MANURE for the

fraud that it is.

markosans

01-26-2006, 05:09 PM

Hate to rip a

new guy, but I have to agree with you on this one!! The twerp is a thief, plain and simple!!:nono:

about

the keeping most and returning...sarcasm...just for a laugh. And on the site for pherlure it said that no questions

asked 100% returnable, and only the contents that are still there are fine in returning... i could just give some

spray as a gift to some buddies of mine and thats not really stealing, but im not keeping it after the 30 days...

and please help me with a begginner starting plan on LC. with the above listed stats, something thats as invisible

and stealthy as can be, with a low pheremone and cologne scents. thanks!

bjf

01-26-2006, 07:03 PM

I would not worry about

gvmt regulation, unless it is proven that pheromones are clearly a hazard to health.

It is basically a "Buyer

beware" deal. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy any product. And there are enough intelligent people around here who

will check into a products claims, and point out the fraudulant claims. It is then up to the individual to decide

for himself, if he will take a chance on that product.
it doesn't need to be hazardous to anyone's

health. it just has to get mixed up as substance body builders can use to get stronger. it's why there already is

gov't reg at the state level, but I'm not going to delve into that further....

xvs

01-27-2006, 01:49 AM

I think these new users are probably

Pherlure plants, just like the fake sites that cite their fake study are Pherlure plants.

They are coming

here making reasonable-sounding claims and getting free advertising for their sham product.

How much more

proof is needed that they're completely fake and not worth bothering with? Their ingredient

di-dehydroepiandrosterone DOES NOT EXIST. There is NO SUCH CHEMICAL.

The study they cite DID NOT HAPPEN.

There was NO SUCH STUDY.

The sites that back up the fact that the study was real ARE FAKE SITES PRODUCED BY

THEM.

Please. This is clearly nothing but a fraud. And anyone who would go to such lengths is obviously ready

to continue it by posting here, making reasonable-sounding statements, and then urging people to "just try

it".

Sorry, this is way out of the realm of sanity.

TylerOC

01-27-2006, 02:32 AM

honestly, whats so unreasonable

about trying something if theres a money back gauruntee?

i tried it, cant say i got any results, but other then

that i love the smell of it. im kinda in a cologne nut stage, where i love to try new colognes and find ones that

smell great. as for just a cologne, i think it smells awesome, but i dont wear it because it wears off too quickly.

i have noticed sometimes that smelling it makes me happier, so on occaision i open it and smell it just to make

myself feel better. but that is most probably because i just love the smell and have probably linked it with being

in a good mood

Kong

01-27-2006, 02:49 AM

a little update with me and my

Phelure..

was over at my gf's place last night and had Phelure on... and everything was just about the same

old same old. so no she's wasn't hornier than usual or anything, it was just like any ol night.

i've only had

it for 3 days and it hasn't done any good so far, cept smelling great... but i'll keep testing and will post any

findings.

platinumfox

01-27-2006, 05:17 AM

I think these new

users are probably Pherlure plants, just like the fake sites that cite their fake study are Pherlure plants.

They are coming here making reasonable-sounding claims and getting free advertising for their sham product.

How much more proof is needed that they're completely fake and not worth bothering with? Their ingredient

di-dehydroepiandrosterone DOES NOT EXIST. There is NO SUCH CHEMICAL.

The study they cite DID NOT HAPPEN.

There was NO SUCH STUDY.

The sites that back up the fact that the study was real ARE FAKE SITES PRODUCED BY

THEM.

Please. This is clearly nothing but a fraud. And anyone who would go to such lengths is obviously ready

to continue it by posting here, making reasonable-sounding statements, and then urging people to "just try

it".

Sorry, this is way out of the realm of sanity.Im with you 100% XVS.We are Love Scent veterans

and we see though Pher-Manures marketing scam to leech off this site DO NOT BUY PHERLURE.