View Full Version : mind-emotions-aura and natural pheromone output
junglesitar
12-24-2005, 08:36 PM
Any theories on naturally manipulating our own pheromone output? Say I mentally generate the presence
of an alpha male in a RONE kinda way would there be a chemical output in sympathy with my mind?
I remember many
years back I had made a conscious decision for a period of time to be a total slut, since I had never really been
uber promiscuous and felt like I was lagging behind my friends in bedpost notches. I decided to do nothing different
aside from mentally generating playboy in my aura. I didn't approach or call more women, but sat back and
waited for them to come to me. Over the next two months I was so inundated with women it became problematic, even a
topic of discussion and humour with my friends and co-workers. I've mellowed out a lot since those days (I do lots
of meditation) but still subscribe to the idea that the mind affects the body, and that the mind in fact creates
reality.
How much do feelings of aggression spontaneously affect A-none output for example? Or when I'm feeling
chatty and friendly is part of my psychic aura organic nol. When I walk into my workplace as the boss, and really
feel the part, am I doing a natural Alpha A314 (rone) output? I'm still too erratic to completely control my
mind/emotions to the point that I can effect this flawlessly, so adding them does seem to either A: actually work or
B: convince me it works so my mind brings in the events according to my expectations. Any thoughts out there in
pheromone-land?
belgareth
12-24-2005, 08:51 PM
It seems like you should be
able to manipulate your pheromone output through your mind. Most any other bodily function can be controlled through
the mind. When controlling heart rate or respiration you do it by addressing those facets of your being. I'm not
exactly sure how you would control your mone output though. How would you get a handle on such a thing?
Your
mind, or rather your beliefs create your reality. If your reality is that you have a high pheromone output or a
given sugnature, why not? It would be worth an experiment or two.
catlord17
12-24-2005, 10:11 PM
In the last twelve years I
have researched, experimented and taught about the power of the mind to affect changes based on what and how you
think and believe. Here is my take on what you ask and what you report.
First of all, theoretically, it's
possible to program your mind to increase your pheromone output. It would seem a trivial challenge, given some of
the things I have seen done with changing how and what a person thinks. I have never done any experiments on
increasing pheromones that way. It would not be hard to make such a program, though I would be more likely to
attribute your experience with your whole response to changing your thinking. There's a lot of different ways your
thinking is expressed.
For instance, when you decided to "be a slut", I guarantee you your body language
changed, your attitude changed, your thinking changed, how you did things changed, and if you're a believer in such
things, your personal aura changed as well. Based on my experiences and what I have concluded about "the way it
is", I'd say that changing the way you think draws to you (or makes you seek) the experiences that match what you
are thinking. Therefore, when you decided to "be a slut", you began attuning yourself to those people who were also
in the same mode, and you attracted into your life the things that matched your attitude.
So while I'm sure
your attitude did increase your pheromonal output, I'd say my conclusion is that it's more a matter of everything
else that was affected than just the pheromones.
Sigma
12-25-2005, 11:12 AM
Hormones are released in greater
quantities under the presence of different stimuli, and I see no reason why pheromones wouldn't react any
differently.
There are theories out there in the fitness world, that you can mentally cause your testosterone
levels to spike up by focusing your mind on aggressive thoughts. Usually before I start working out I'll take a
moment to get myself in the right mind-set, while listening to certain songs that help shift my mood. It's kind of
meditative in its own way. I couldn't tell you how much this has to do with testosterone levels of if its simply a
mental thing, but when I get myself in the right mentallity before I lift, I see huge differences in stregnth and
endurance. If I'm too relaxed when I enter a set, or I'm not in the mood to work out, my strength and endurance
tends to plummet.
Hormones and pheromones are very similar in nature.... If we really can manipulate our hormone
levels mentally, I see no reason why we couldn't manipulate our pheromone levels as well.
I remember reading about a technique
used to attract more women.
It evolves repeating 8 or so line in your head before you leave the house or even
while driving.
1. I’m god’s gift to women.
2. Women should consider it an honor to know me.
3.
I’m the most attractive guy in the room.
4. My wit and charm stands alone....etc
Apparently your body
language will start to mimic these affirmations and you’ll be more desirable to women.
I have had a lot of
success by hanging back and letting women approach me in social settings.
The nice guy approach unfortunately
doesn’t work well with today’s “modern women” so you have to be creative.
DCW
tounge
12-25-2005, 12:16 PM
I remember reading about
a technique used to attract more women.
It evolves repeating 8 or so line in your head before you leave the house
or even while driving.
1. I’m god’s gift to women.
2. Women should consider it an honor to
know me.
3. I’m the most attractive guy in the room.
4. My wit and charm stands
alone....etc
DCW
Let's assume you are out and meet a Hot Chick
(HC). She is physically attractive, has a good education and has started a very good career. She is a terrific
catch. Now you walk into the club and make your move. It would probably go something like this. (and DCW, I don't
mean you personally)
Dude: " Hey baby,what's up"
HC: "Hi. Not much yet."
Dude: " Ya know
I'm God's gift to women"
HC: " Wow! No shit! Really. What do you do?
Dude: " Well a--um-- a well
I---I---I (inaudiable)
HC: " HA HA HO HO HA you gotta be kidding!"
Dude: Well you should consider it
an honer to know me."
HC: Laughing so hard, it's almost impossible to understand her. Why! (tears of
laughter running down her gorgeous high cheek bones) What have you ever done or accomplished?"
Dude: Hey
bitch. I'm the most attractive dude in the club"
HC: Wets herself, she's laughing so hard. "Oh really.I
think not. As a matter of fact,I'm going over to hook up with that tall,dark, and handsome guy over there. He's a
nice unassuming guy who carries himself, like a MAN. He is a medical intern at the local University
hospital.
Dude: "A- A- humma humma"
HC: "See ya little boy. And enjoy your chicken dinner later on.
And I hope you don't choke on it. HAHA LOL"
And BTW, the dude was wearing an untucked A&F striped
white shirt, backwards ballcap and was covered with 3 dabs of NPA, 7inchs of unscented SOE 3 drops of AE/m with 4
dabs of A-1. All covered with 10 sprays of Armani's Aqua Di Gio.
Watcher
12-25-2005, 01:12 PM
guys it sounds like u are delving
into the area of neuro linguistic programming - catlord and others in this thread do a google search for NLP - its
the reprogramming of youre mind and quite a few areas including hypnosis etc
Let's assume you are
out and meet a Hot Chick (HC). She is physically attractive, has a good education and has started a very good
career. She is a terrific catch. Now you walk into the club and make your move. It would probably go something like
this. (and DCW, I don't mean you personally)
Dude: " Hey baby,what's up"
HC: "Hi. Not much
yet."
Dude: " Ya know I'm God's gift to women"
HC: " Wow! No shit! Really. What do you
do?
Dude: " Well a--um-- a well I---I---I (inaudiable)
HC: " HA HA HO HO HA you gotta be kidding!"
Dude: Well you should consider it an honer to know me."
HC: Laughing so hard, it's almost impossible
to understand her. Why! (tears of laughter running down her gorgeous high cheek bones) What have you ever done or
accomplished?"
Dude: Hey bitch. I'm the most attractive dude in the club"
HC: Wets herself, she's
laughing so hard. "Oh really.I think not. As a matter of fact,I'm going over to hook up with that tall,dark, and
handsome guy over there. He's a nice unassuming guy who carries himself, like a MAN. He is a medical intern at the
local University hospital.
Dude: "A- A- humma humma"
HC: "See ya little boy. And enjoy your chicken
dinner later on. And I hope you don't choke on it. HAHA LOL"
I'm not sure u understand
where I was coming from, you DON'T actually say it out loud, you just repeat in your mind.
I'ts kinda like a
personal pep talk.
DCW
tounge
12-25-2005, 02:22 PM
I very clearly understand where you
are coming from. I guess you had a problem getting the satire involved in making a point.
tounge
12-25-2005, 03:05 PM
A man's confidence in himself
comes from achievement in life. Anything else is a false bravado. And that can certainly work if you are into
fluzies or the occasional unfulfilled one night stand. But a good woman will see right through that. The saying
"Money talks and Bullshit walks" is very true when trying to hook up with a worthwhile women. Too many of you young
people are trying to look for quick and easy solutions to life's challanges. There are no shortcuts, be they NLP or
pheromones.
Kardz
12-25-2005, 06:05 PM
A man's confidence
in himself comes from achievement in life. Anything else is a false bravado. And that can certainly work if you are
into fluzies or the occasional unfulfilled one night stand. But a good woman will see right through that. The saying
"Money talks and Bullshit walks" is very true when trying to hook up with a worthwhile women. Too many of you young
people are trying to look for quick and easy solutions to life's challanges. There are no shortcuts, be they NLP or
pheromones.
Tounge you're tripping man.
Yea sure anyone can get confidence from their
accomplishments and they do. And alot of people don't.
But that's incredibly short sighted.
I've known
well off guys with money that have plenty of accomplishment but they're skiddish and trip over themselves dealing
with women. Or they are just skiddish in general.
I also know scruffy looking white trash badasses that have
accomplished next to nothing yet they stink of confidence and get laid almost at will.
And everything
inbetween.
It's not always about money or what you've done.
It's thoughts, experiences, and working on
your inner game. You either make the decision to be comfortable with who you are and what you got or you struggle
with yourself.
Once your comfortable with who you are, flaws and strengths, it's not hard to be confident. We
all have different techniques or methods for doing it.
It's not just psyching yourself up and trying to
project some fake persona. It's mentally developing and changing who you are.
Psyching yourself up is just a
momentary feeling. Especially if you've got confidence issues and it's just to meet a female. Chances are if it's
like that, the second the moment comes your going to be paralyzed with fear or nervousness anyway.
On the other
hand, i've known guys totally working on themselves and used some kind of trigger with an emotional association or
mental mode they've gone into once they triggered it. It was like a self programmed hypnoses of sorts.
As
complex as the human mind is your a retard if you actually believe the only way you can gain confidence in yourself
is accomplishment.
Ryan
I guess Anthony Robbins and others
that preach the benefits of positive thinking have it all wrong.
The different between wining and losing in a
track sprint is a fraction of a second, so why do athletics take the time to walk slowly down the track before the
race?
I’ll tell you why; they do this because they’re painting a visual picture of a positive outcome.
A good
free throw shooter often practice with his eyes closed, he can see the net in his mind and is able to make the
shot.
I heard about a guy in Missouri ( I think) who would walk into a crowded room and in little or no time the
room would be empty with him sitting there by himself.
I’m told that he doesn’t smell, isn’t wearing a dress or
anything apparent, he just has NEGATIVE ENERGY, have you ever seen the movie The Cooler?
Look, there IS a
relationship on how we see ourselves and how others perceive us especially in dating.
You attitude and how you
project yourself MAY determine your success.
I always make a point to enter a room, with potential conquests with
a smile on my face rather than a nasty frown.
As for pheromones, I have gotten attention while wearing them
and without, but I do believe that the sense of smell can be manipulated to your advantage.
Just trying to
make a point, nothing wrong with different points of view especially when it come to my favorite topic
WOMEN!!!
DCW
Kardz
12-25-2005, 07:08 PM
Hey Tounge,
Break it down.
This is a forum for discussion after all. And noone here seems to be agreeing with you.
I think if anyone needs
to explain themselves it's you.
belgareth
12-25-2005, 07:47 PM
I don't have time to write it
out now but Tounge is right, IMO. It's something that's been discussed time and again here. Tomorrow morning when
I have time I'll add more but am in complete agreement with him on this.
catlord17
12-26-2005, 01:05 AM
As a man thinketh, so is he.
belgareth
12-26-2005, 05:34 AM
A pep talk is a great thing and
can be a big help. Anthony Robbins has some good ideas that help. But he doesn't tell you to try to do something
you are unprepared for either. The sprinter you see walking the track has also spent hundreds of hours becoming a
good sprinter. All the pep talk in the world isn't going to be worth a hill of beans to the guy who has never been
on the track. We see it all the time at the dojo. Some kid comes in and practces for six months or so and may have
his green belt. He knows he's tough! Mouths off to the badass down the street and learns just how far self
confidence will get you.
What I believe Tounge was trying to point out is that no pep talk, magic mone mixes or
mind game is going to hold up for long if there isn't substance and ability to back it up. I hear enough of my SO
and her friends laughing about the phonies they meet and have seen it professionally often enough myself to believe
it's absolutely true. You may get away with it for a few minutes but sooner or later the veneer is going to wear
thin. Substance and ability takes time and effort but is worth it.
tim929
12-26-2005, 09:02 AM
I dont think your natural
pheromone output will change a whole lot but there is alot to be said for the countenance that you present and how
people will respond to that.As an example,because I am a long time native of the town I live in,I often see people
who are lost and need directions.They arent hard to spot and I have always made it a point to help these wayward
travelers when I see them in need of accurate directions.On many occasions,after stopping to help someone and direct
them to where they need to go,I have heard the words..."Thank you very much,officer." Now I should point out,I am
not a police officer...I dont wear a uniform of any sort...more often than not I am found in blue jeans and a sweat
shirt.But something about my approach and my persona when I am in "mister helpful mode" screams "cop!"I dont know
why,but it just sorta happens that way.Countenance has alot to do with how people will view you and what they will
expect of you.
tounge
12-26-2005, 09:24 AM
A pep talk is a
great thing and can be a big help. Anthony Robbins has some good ideas that help. But he doesn't tell you to try to
do something you are unprepared for either. The sprinter you see walking the track has also spent hundreds of hours
becoming a good sprinter. All the pep talk in the world isn't going to be worth a hill of beans to the guy who has
never been on the track. We see it all the time at the dojo. Some kid comes in and practces for six months or so and
may have his green belt. He knows he's tough! Mouths off to the badass down the street and learns just how far self
confidence will get you.
What I believe Tounge was trying to point out is that no pep talk, magic mone mixes or
mind game is going to hold up for long if there isn't substance and ability to back it up. I hear enough of my SO
and her friends laughing about the phonies they meet and have seen it professionally often enough myself to believe
it's absolutely true. You may get away with it for a few minutes but sooner or later the veneer is going to wear
thin. Substance and ability takes time and effort but is worth it.
Well said and exactly my
point. I used the words "FALSE BRAVADO" and that is what many youngins mistake for confidence. If you build your
house (life) on sand, rather than rock, than eventually it will collapse from the storms that life brings.
I
certainly agree with positive thought, but it must lead to action and positive results.
A pep talk is a
great thing and can be a big help. Anthony Robbins has some good ideas that help. But he doesn't tell you to try to
do something you are unprepared for either. The sprinter you see walking the track has also spent hundreds of hours
becoming a good sprinter. All the pep talk in the world isn't going to be worth a hill of beans to the guy who has
never been on the track. We see it all the time at the dojo. Some kid comes in and practces for six months or so and
may have his green belt. He knows he's tough! Mouths off to the badass down the street and learns just how far self
confidence will get you.
What I believe Tounge was trying to point out is that no pep talk, magic mone mixes
or mind game is going to hold up for long if there isn't substance and ability to back it up. I hear enough of my
SO and her friends laughing about the phonies they meet and have seen it professionally often enough myself to
believe it's absolutely true. You may get away with it for a few minutes but sooner or later the veneer is going to
wear thin. Substance and ability takes time and effort but is worth it.
I said that the
difference between wining and loosing is a fraction of a second, that should tell you that the sprinter has trained
and is QUALIFIED to be in the race.
I never said that he was some Joe Blow who walked on the track for the first
time. I also made reference to a basketball player who "PRACTICES" free throws with his eyes closed, seeing his
objective in his mind before the big game, once again not some novice who just stepped on the
court.
Look the point I'm trying to make here is that if you see your objective, if you relive it in
your mind over and over then you will start to behave in a pattern that may lead to sucess.
It has worked for
me.
DCW
belgareth
12-26-2005, 09:52 AM
I said that the
difference between wining and loosing is a fraction of a second, that should tell you that the sprinter has trained
and is QUALIFIED to be in the race.
I never said that he was some Joe Blow who walked on the track for the first
time. I also made reference to a basketball player who "PRACTICES" free throws with his eyes closed, seeing his
objective in his mind before the big game, once again not some novice who just stepped on the court.
Look
the point I'm trying to make here is that if you see your objective, if you relive it in your mind over and over
then you will start to behave in a pattern that may lead to sucess.
It has worked for me.
DCW
I
believe that too. When I used to compete I always visualized myself the victor in the tournament. When I started my
business I planned for a point several years down the road and created everything based on that. At no time did I
ever believe I'd fail, everything I did was pointed towards success. Positive thinking is very important, IMO.
However, backing it up with the time and hard work to be what you visualize is just as, if not more, important.
PheroQuirk
12-26-2005, 10:37 AM
I (and several of my friends) work in an industry where year-end bonus is the largest component
of your pay. Now in the early stages of your career in this industry, bonuses and increases in pay are often fairly
predictable and the announcement rarely comes as a big surprise. And the pay in the early years is small when
considered in relation to what you will be making a handful of years later.
Yet it became a joke amongst us
as to how utterly predictably success with women for us would spike around bonus season (different dates for each of
us) and then fall off over the coming weeks. Nobody particularly felt they were behaving differently yet women
seemed to have a different perception.
I think this must have to do with a spike in testosterone and
serotonin levels, similar to that observed in supporters of the winning team after sports matches.
In primate
males you tend to see an evolution in serotonin+testosterone levels after each challenge for dominance with another
male. And give a low-ranking monkey some Prozac to boost serotonin levels, introduce him into a new troupe and his
status becomes substantially higher (even though that monkey basically has the same immune status and physical
capacity to win a fight).
That makes me inclined to think that - although clearly tounge and belgareth are
right about substance winning out over a superficial veneer in the end - one shouldn't neglect the value of
psyching oneself up (and of avoiding any potentially negative catalyst to confidence) before social
events.
I'm generally not a big fan of the author of the piece that follows, but in this case I think he is
right on the money.
http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/skills/howtobeagoodwing/
Hope if
controversial this is at least controversial in an interesting way. Here are another couple of links to stuff on
test, serotonin, aggression and
dominance...
http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year2/aggression/aggression.html
http://hackvan.
com/pub/stig/scripture/star-wars/the-psychology-of-dominance.txt
Sigma
12-26-2005, 12:17 PM
Psyching yourself up isn't about
creating a "false bravado" its more a matter of getting your body and mind in the righy physical and mental state
before entering a physically, mentally, or emotionally strenuous situation. The going theory is that your body has
different physical and mental states (different levels of testosterone, serotonin, endorphins etc etc etc), which
are activated under certain conditions. Acts like a runner walking the track before a race, a basketball player
visualizing a free-throw shot, a boxer shadow boxing before a match, aren't a tool for creating a false sense of
confidence, they are merely a means to activating the right physical and mental state. It's true that psyching
oneself up won't make the runner win the race, basketball player make the shot, or the boxer win the match, but
thats beside the point, and outside the context of the original topic. It's again, merely a method of putting
yourself in the right mental and physical state.
David D. mentions similar practices in the dating world. He
mentions practicing different mental states by remembering times when you felt confident, and putting yourself back
into that state of mind. That way the confidence you're projecting is confidence you're feeling of your own
merit, and not some artificial tool to fool women into thinking you really are confident. Again its a matter of
activating the right physical and mental states that are appropriate to the situation.
Psyching yourself up
isn't about creating a "false bravado" its more a matter of getting your body and mind in the righy physical and
mental state before entering a physically, mentally, or emotionally strenuous situation. The going theory is that
your body has different physical and mental states (different levels of testosterone, serotonin, endorphins etc etc
etc), which are activated under certain conditions. Acts like a runner walking the track before a race, a
basketball player visualizing a free-throw shot, a boxer shadow boxing before a match, aren't a tool for creating a
false sense of confidence, they are merely a means to activating the right physical and mental state. It's true
that psyching oneself up won't make the runner win the race, basketball player make the shot, or the boxer win the
match, but thats beside the point, and outside the context of the original topic. It's again, merely a method of
putting yourself in the right mental and physical state.
David D. mentions similar practices in the dating
world. He mentions practicing different mental states by remembering times when you felt confident, and putting
yourself back into that state of mind. That way the confidence you're projecting is confidence you're feeling of
your own merit, and not some artificial tool to fool women into thinking you really are confident. Again its a
matter of activating the right physical and mental states that are appropriate to the
situation.
Yes...Yes that's exactly my point.
Everyone sends a conscious and unconscious
signal to others that may affect how you’re perceived in the outside world no withstanding other stereotypical
attitudes and learned behavior.
DCW
Sigma
12-26-2005, 01:18 PM
Yes...Yes that's
exactly my point.
Everyone sends a conscious and unconscious signal to others that may affect how you’re perceived
in the outside world no withstanding other stereotypical attitudes and learned behavior.
DCW
Yep.
Unfortunately, every thread started on this forum eventually breaks down to "pheromones/clothes/mental tricks/etc
alone won't do it for you if you lack ____", which is a shame because this is a topic that I'd really like to see
discussed further.
Anyway.... I think a lot of people discount the power of the cognitive mind and human
imagination to affect different aspects of our physical being. Even artificially induced feelings of confidence,
well-being, or even sadness and pain can have a dramatic impact on our bodies physically, and could, hypothetically,
alter our pheromone productions. A horror flick, for instance, can create an artificial sense of fear that causes
spikes in andrenaline. The sense of fear is entirely imaginary, and people consciously know that there's no real
physical danger, however the mental and physical body of a person is altered substancially enough to activate a
"fight or flight" type respnse.
If such responses can be created artificially, then I see no reason why we
couldn't artificially manipulate our own pheromone levels.
belgareth
12-26-2005, 04:29 PM
Pheroquirk said something that
could be continued. He describes a group of people who seem to be showing on the outside what they feel on the
inside and it affecting their results. I can't argue whether it is just the attitide they display or if it is an
increase in pheromone production or some combination but you can see that their effect on others is affected by what
is happening inside their heads. OK, are they thinking "I've got the money to spend right now and can afford to
persue these women" Or are they just reflecting an optimistic outlook that they have because their bank account just
got bigger?
Realistically, in a bar hitting on some woman trying to get laid it doesn't really matter what's
going on in their head so long as they get the results they are after, right? I don't have a problem with that so
long as both parties are looking for the same thing. It's honest, upfront, healthy leachery and is fine. If a state
of mind helps you accomplish that and you can manpulate your state of mine through a pep talk, great.
I am
arguing, and I think Tounge is too, that it is only good in the short term. Next week you are going to need to do it
again with somebody else. That's fine too if that's what you are looking for. But...in the long term, you have to
do more to accomplish anything lasting. That's all we are saying.
Because of my interest in such things I'd
like to see more discussion on the subject of whether you can really control you body well enough to control your
pheromone signature. I doubt most of us would be willing to practice the level of discipline needed to accomplish
that but learning about it could be interesting.
tounge
12-26-2005, 05:07 PM
Too many of you guys are confusing
self-visualization, with real confidence. I'm sure Tiger Woods sees himself making every putt and hitting every
shot perfect before he does it. But he still misses. He gets his supreme confidence from the fact that he has won
big tournaments. He has accomplished. His confidence builds on that. You are are comparing apples and oranges when
you look at it.
But in pertaining to the original topic, I surmise that you could probably think your way to a
better pheromone signature. But, then of course you could think your way free of cancer or heart disease too. Same
priciples would apply, no?
Kardz
12-26-2005, 05:09 PM
Personally, the way I see it is
like this.
Guy 1 comes in, he's had a bad day. For whatever reason he's gotten some crappy news and he's in a
bad mood. When he gets to work, everyone can see it. His body language, facial expressions, everything is
different.
Guy 2 is totally the opposite. Good day, good news, excited, happy, confident, etc. Even alittle bit
cocky and is throwing around some witty, playful banter.
It's all about what you project. Now someone mentioned
earlier the type of job they have, and it being incredibly predictable and how women flocked to them as they made
their yearly bonuses and it tapered off later.
You don't really pay attention to that stuff, but i'm willing
to bet their body language changed alot. And so how they projected themselves changed entirely.
I could see that
with your guys yearly bonuses coming, success with women spiking, then as time went on the excitement, extra
confidence, or whatever died down.
I can't say thats what happened, but i'm willing to bet in your average
situation thats the typical of things. And most people don't realize what they're doing with their body/voice
changes alot.
They're focusing on other people/their environment. Not whats inside or what they're
subconciously doing.
Body language and voice tone are by far the most effective ways and the majority of how
humans communicate.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
With different, more exilerating emotions
going through your body, the change in mental state...I'm sure it could make a pheremone increase. I don't know if
it compares to a few dabs or drops of synthetics but i'm sure it's there and helps alittle.
But i'd say in
general if you can work on your mental state and thoughts and being secure with them and yourself, and realizing
from time to time feeling bad or insecure about something really stupid is not a good thing. And getting intot he
habbit of speaking with a deeper voice tone and taking a more dominant/leader like role in social situations along
with projecting confidence/dominance through your body language it's going to help alot.
As for mones, i'd say
they can be a big help if your not coming from a place where your inner child is almost always in fetal position. A
few dabs of this and that and alittle something under your nose can "help" change your mental state and "help" you
project something more.
Note I emphasized "help". If anything they're a nice little synthetic supplement.
Also as a side note, I do believe people have some limited power over their bodies people don't normally use.
Power of suggestion is powerful. It's not much different from hypnosis imo.
I read about some guy that
suggested to himself every night when his wife/gf was about to have a baby, or shortly thereafter, that he would and
could produce milk. This was the guy suggesting this to himself. And sure enough he swelled up on 1 of the 2 sides,
and found out men indeed could produce milk and nurse kids.
I also remembered some side note in the article of
some guys embarassingly and unwantingly producing milk to some extent. So aparently men, or atleast some, are
biologically able to produce milk. And that the male nipple is fully functional and able to release it.
To me
that just goes to power of suggestion and being able to effect more than what we realize.
Ryan
surfs_up
12-26-2005, 05:46 PM
watching Tiger over the years I've learned to see the minimal cues when's he's in reasonably deep
trance and on his game versus when he's not in trance and his game sucks. You can actually see ahead of time from
the expression on his face when he's going to miss a putt, you can feel it, like he's choosing ahead of time for
some unconscious reason to miss the putt, fight with his girlfriend or something. A lot of people have unconscious
resistances to goals they consciously believe they desire, some of these are called "hypnotic curses" by one of the
major practitioners in the field, like maybe a guy has an unconscious sexual competition with his father for the
attentions of women in general, and everytime as a kid he felt/expressed a natural desire for a beautiful woman and
his dad was around his dad became angry or made sarcastic remarks, then the kid internalizes this (these messages
are called "introjects", or as another psychologist calls it "being possesed by aliens") and every time he is turned
on by a beautiful babe he starts to crumple inside feeling the emotional residue of withering criticism. The sad
truth is many people are negatively programmed to some extent by dysfunctional family dynamics, maybe not massively,
but their A game may be undercut by negative early energy. I had a lot of bad programming from unhealthy religious
figures, ministers who held themselves out as having a hotline to God, these dudes were wretchedly fucked up most
definitely on a sexual level, although they never molested anyone to my knowledge they seemd to have transformed
their massive sexual frustrations into non-stop head fucking.. took years of hard work to pry that garbage out of my
head... the thing about the unconscious is it IS unconscious, you have no idea how powerfully it runs you, shapes
your interactions, draws people and energies to you and repels other people...
Sigma
12-26-2005, 05:53 PM
I think you guys are reading too
much into it. It isn't a matter how confident you are as a person at all, I reiterate that its merely a matter of
manipulating your cognitive/physical states, which I'm sure most people do even unconsiously. It isn't
necessarily something as complicated as giving yourself a pep talk....it can be something as simple as closing your
eyes for two seconds to put things in perspective....any act that triggers a shift in your hormone brain/chemical
levels. Personally, I have a habit of smacking a fist into an open palm. There's ton's of documentation on
mental/physical states if you're interested in reading up on it. I was honestly first exposed to it in an
Industiral-Organizational Psychology course.
belgareth
12-26-2005, 06:24 PM
Let's drop the personal
remarks and insults so I don't have to close this thread.
Thanks
Belgareth
Kardz
12-26-2005, 07:00 PM
People do it all the time. They
think of something else and change their state of mind or they attach some kind of mental state or association to an
action or thought.
But like what I said about the article I read among other things about the guy being able to
produce milk, and got there by willfully suggesting it to himself every night like he was telling his unconcious to
do it for him and then it eventually and obviously happening.
I guess thinking about something like that would
be more effective. Whereas i'd figure a thought or state of mind or emotional feeling would only be effective
toward that for so long.
But suggesting it to your unconcious...
I couldn't tell ya for sure though. I'm
theorizing. I could be wrong, or it could just be a different way.
Have you guys read "Think and grow rich" by
Napoleon Hill?
He has a number of steps for success. Getting to the point where you feel BURNING DESIRE and you
HAVE to achieve it, to writing down goals and expressing on paper what you'll contribute to it's end, with a very
clear and desicive view on what it is you want among a number of other things. But one of the things you do is read
and suggest to yourself that you'll achieve it, your committed, and you basically enter into a contract with
yourself to attain it. And you read things of this nature to yourself every night and persue it until your brain and
thoughts express themself in an outward physical action.
It touches base on ALOT of things, and is probably one
of the best self improvement books i've read.
And it's basically how I see you can suggest to yourself to do
these things. Suggesting to your unconcious what you want among other techniques or branching out more from that.
If you guys have some kind of p2p software you can probably find the ebook on there. It might make alittle more
sense and put things into perspective if you've glanced over it. But otherwise it's a pretty good book if any of
you are into self improvement and reading at all.
belgareth
12-26-2005, 08:37 PM
No offense intended but I'm
more than a little sceptical about a male lactating. Was it documented by medical professionals? I'm happy to be
proven wrong but it would take some pretty serious proof before I'd accept it.
For the rest of it, without
motivation, nothing is possible. You fail before you ever begin if you don't believe you can do something and have
the desire to do it. If you have the right motivation you can accomplish impressive feats.
tim929
12-26-2005, 08:52 PM
There is a growing body of
evidence that indicates state of mind has a profound influence on not only ones own health and well being,but the
health and well being of those closest to us.People who pray,for example have a considerably faster recovery rate
than people who dont pray when faced with major illness or surgery.More over,when people pray FOR those who are
facing a major illness there is a marked improvement in recovery times as well,weather they know they are being
prayed for or not.Many who practice eastern techniques like yoga and so forth have developed the ability to alter
their bodys function in many rather startling ways through meditation.As for men being able to lactate...yes,men can
lactate and produce milk.It has been documented and any man can do it.Im not sure if its the same quality as mothers
milk but I dont see why it wouldnt be with the exception of tasting alot like beer:lol: Im still working on
visualizing myself a bigger weener (if I make progress with that I will let you all know:thumbsup: )
The concept
of visualization being a part of acheving results has been a foundation of martial arts for a bazillion
years.Athletes have practiced it for ever and even actors and actresses use visualization techniques befor a
performance.Pilots in aerobatic competitions use it,corperate execs use it befor a presentation.Some of these
examples are very shallow,but they make baisicly the same point.And its not a big stretch of the imagination to
think that proper visualization techniques will have an impact on people you make contact with on a day to day
basis.
But belgareth makes a very valid point.At some point in all this visualization some kind of fundamental
change needs to occur to cement in your being whatever it is you are trying to project through attitude.Acting will
only cary you so far,after that you need to have something to fall back on.A fundamental change in spirit is
required to be able to pay more than lip service to being "the man every woman wants." Anyone can present themselves
temporarily as a great person with a wonderful personality...hell...I do it all the time.I still have my whole
family fooled:smite:
belgareth
12-26-2005, 09:06 PM
I'm questioning the particular
case mentioned above but would be interested in anything on male lactation. My understanding is that the glands in a
male are vistigal and non-functioning since the shift in the zygot that switches it to male from female. Sorry,
don't remember the correct terminology.
Sigma
12-26-2005, 10:15 PM
But belgareth
makes a very valid point.At some point in all this visualization some kind of fundamental change needs to occur to
cement in your being whatever it is you are trying to project through attitude.Acting will only cary you so
far,after that you need to have something to fall back on.A fundamental change in spirit is required to be able to
pay more than lip service to being "the man every woman wants." Anyone can present themselves temporarily as a great
person with a wonderful personality...hell...I do it all the time.I still have my whole family
fooled:smite:
Definately true. The eventual ends to changing ones mindset is doing so until the state
that you emulate becomes a natural, programmed response....kind of like self-induced conditioning.
Experience
may be the source of one's confidence in different circumstances, however for those who lack that experience
(especially the younger members), these kinds little mind tricks can at least help get someone on their way. So in
that sense, 'psyching yourself up' from time to time isn't necessarily a short-term fix; it can and should be a
method of facilitating long-term development.
surfs_up
12-26-2005, 10:16 PM
and auditorizes, and sometimes creates feelings, smells, and other subtle sensations...
most of this is barely perceptible, right on the fringe of consciousness... this is one of the possible meanings of
Karma, the infite set of tape loops that your mind plays that creates "you"... most people do not have clear access
to this material, it's like a machine humming in the background that is perpetually re-creating your sense of self
identity... some go to psychologists who help them gain access to this internal theater and change the reels, switch
the films.... so life patterns don't have to constantly repeat... Zen masters and Yogis and prayerful people to
some extent have gained closer access to, and control over this limbic mind background music. The NLP people tried
to do it by direct manipulations of image processes and so on, but they never got much access to what was already
playing in there. They came close when they explored the structure of beliefs... like, what is a belief, anyway ?
What are your most deeply held beliefs about yourself ? How did you get them ? Most importantly, HOW does your brain
represent those beliefs to itself with such convincing power that you are compelled to act on them ? Strange, no ?
You are watching/listening to movies in your head, even as you read this, that have such a total grip on your sense
of reality, that every person who wrote their opinions in this thread was powerfully COMPELLED to do so in the way
they did. In that sense, the guy who has great luck with women is compelled to, and the guy who has no luck is also
compelled to... some people are always vulnerable to illness, some people seem to mount a powerful psychic defense
against illness, it has a lot to do with how you create MEANING... if a girl rejects you and your brain takes that
to mean you are a loathsome toad you will spend a massive amount of time insuring that you won't get rejected, if
rejection doesn't carry much meaning load, then you won't be tailoring your behavior around rejection issues...
tim929
12-27-2005, 12:59 AM
I mean it bel...guys can do
that.The question is a hormonal change as well.Im not sure how that works but it doesnt involve anything medical.But
men can in fact be conditioned to lactate.No joke...I know it sounds bizare...well...in point of fact it is
bizare...maybe alittle too bizare.Maybe I'll try it...:think:
PheroQuirk
12-27-2005, 02:47 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation
belgareth
12-27-2005, 04:59 AM
Thanks, that's a surprise.
Guess my knowledge in that area needs some updating.
tounge
12-27-2005, 05:13 AM
Why don't some of you guys put
yourself in the shoes of an attractive, succesful woman.
First off most of us agree that you have to
visualize your self as having success with the ladies. And you do have to believe that you are a good catch. No
doubt about.
Now in the eyes of a worth while women, after all the DeAngelo is Messiah thinking has wore off,
what will make you an attraction to that woman other than the one hit wonder that you might get to be with
her?
What puts you above the rest of the crowd that may be going after that women? That women is certainly
looking for a man who believes in himself, but also has the credentials to back up that belief. Hocus Pocus
self-confidence is fickle and as I wisely pointed out before, a house built on sand.
itwow
12-27-2005, 06:21 AM
A man can dream, but make sure to
spend more time to "make the dreams happen".
Trigerring enhanced emotional states (a.k.a anchoring) does help
but treat it as a crutch. In the end, a successful anchor & release should help push to make the leap.
I
knew I can do it because I had already done it!
tounge
12-27-2005, 11:50 PM
Hey Tounge,
Break it down. This is a forum for discussion after all. And noone here seems to be agreeing with you.
I
think if anyone needs to explain themselves it's you.
It seems the more intelligent folk do
agree with me. And I believe that I have explained things quite clearly. In your mind, I'm on a drug trip and
retarded, however that doesn't change the truth.
catlord17
12-28-2005, 12:53 AM
All things begin with thought.
There is nothing that did not begin as a thought, be it a skyscraper or a written word. How the thought is made
manifest is what makes the difference.
There is a big difference between being confident and acting
confident. Being confident leads to acting confident, but does not lead to stupidity. Acting confident, with
nothing to back it up, usually leads to self delusion, which leads to stupidity.
When I created my first self
confidence CD and tested it on myself, I saw real results. My whole demeanor changed, and how I carried myself and
thought about myself changed. I found it easier to interact with people I did not already know. I began to succeed
more and more easily. What exactly did that CD do? In fact, it did nothing more than change my mind. Instead of
insecurity based thoughts, I began thinking confidence, which manifested as confidence, and got confidence
results.
It has a lot to do with point of view. If you are facing North when the sun goes down, you won't
see anything much compared to if you are facing the sunset. What changed? Point of view. Results may include
deeper feelings of appreciation, relaxation, and peace. In other words, just by shifting your point of view, your
whole experience changes.
There's a big difference between what your potential is and how close you are to
achieving it. Usually this difference can in large part be attributed to faulty or failure based thinking, be it
conscious or otherwise. Increasing confidence doesn't automatically mean you go from mail room clerk to company
vice president, but it sure does put you on the right path. And that right path is what you're after.
tounge
12-28-2005, 01:13 AM
Catlord, I agree with you 100%. But
the debate here in my mind is how women percieve your level of self-confidence. After all, in almost every survey,
women say a man's most attractive trait is confidence. I just happen to think that too many young guys here and in
the area I deal in confuse cocky and confident.
catlord17
12-28-2005, 04:54 AM
Catlord, I agree
with you 100%. But the debate here in my mind is how women percieve your level of self-confidence. After all, in
almost every survey, women say a man's most attractive trait is confidence. I just happen to think that too many
young guys here and in the area I deal in confuse cocky and confident.
It's definitely easy to do,
confusing cocky with confident, especially since the dating gurus are all preaching cocky comedy. (Which does work,
by the way, but cockiness without substance is hollow and comes across poorly, as you are saying.)
The day
before yesterday, I asked my girlfriend, "What did you like about how I introduced myself to you?" This was about
three years ago, and she doesn't remember much of it, but the first thing out of her mouth was confidence. That
was the only thing she remembered definitively.
Confidence cannot be a veneer if it is going to work. It has
to be genuine. But again, you can have genuine confidence simply by changing your thinking. I tend to look at it
as appreciating what you have going for you, instead of looking at what she might not like, and also realizing that
you can do better, and going for it instead of just wishing.
One of the biggest revelations I ever had, and
this seems to apply to almost all areas of life, is that those people who succeed the most, don't take things
seriously! In other words, it really doesn't matter, because it's just a game.
Tell me, why is
Bill Gates, rich as he is, still working? Or Donald Trump? These guys are doing what they're doing because it's
a strategy game for them. They have only their entertainment value to lose. It's the same with guys who are
uber-successful with women. It's just a game to them. They see themselves as having nothing to lose, and this
keeps them from being insecure.
When you stop letting yourself feel that you have something to lose, you
respond a lot differently. And of course, beautiful women are a dime a dozen (which is why the top modeling
agencies can be so damned picky, by the way). It doesn't matter if she's beautiful physically, because there's
always another beauty just around the corner. And once you start to really understand that, there's nothing to
lose, and your confidence with "beautiful" women soars. (EDIT: It seems only fair that I make it plain, attractive
men are also a dime a dozen. I'm not trying to make women into objects here.)
What it boils down to,
ultimately, is this: It's just a game. Relax, enjoy!
I think the reason women like the type of men they do,
the cocky/funny types, is because they express themselves with this confidence that says, "It's just a game to me,
I have nothing to lose." Which in turn says, "I'm wealthy/powerful/successful enough to be safe doing this."
Which in turn says, "GOOD GENES!"
(EDIT: Making a game out of it does not mean playing mind games with
people.) :cheers:
Gegogi
12-28-2005, 12:36 PM
Male lactation? That's a first
for me as well. I'll tell my GF to stay off my nubbies!
PheroQuirk
12-28-2005, 01:13 PM
When I created my first self confidence CD and tested it on myself, I saw real results. My
whole demeanor changed, and how I carried myself and thought about myself changed. I found it easier to interact
with people I did not already know. I began to succeed more and more easily. What exactly did that CD do? In
fact, it did nothing more than change my mind. Instead of insecurity based thoughts, I began thinking confidence,
which manifested as confidence, and got confidence results.
I'd be curious to hear more about
this CD - how did you go about making it? What was the content? I had a quick look and couldn't see anything you
already posted on this - apologies if you have already done so.
catlord17
12-28-2005, 01:23 PM
I'd be
curious to hear more about this CD - how did you go about making it? What was the content? I had a quick look and
couldn't see anything you already posted on this - apologies if you have already done so.
PM me, or
else someone will accuse me of advertising.
Sigma
12-28-2005, 08:42 PM
Catlord, I agree
with you 100%. But the debate here in my mind is how women percieve your level of self-confidence. After all, in
almost every survey, women say a man's most attractive trait is confidence. I just happen to think that too many
young guys here and in the area I deal in confuse cocky and confident.
I happen to agree with you on the
idea that cockiness and confidence are two different things, and that in certain cases cockiness can actually be a
sign of insecurity. My friend acts that way, and sometimes I'd really like to put him in his place by calling him
out for actin like such a prick, but I'd rather not stoop down to his level.
However putting yourself in a
confident state of mind isn't as superficial as simply changing the way you act by putting up a front, its changing
the you genuinely feel. Feeling confident is a state of mind, as is feeling insecure. Everyone is capable of
being in in a confident state, or an insecure state depending on the environment they're in or the stimuli around
them. Guys that are successful with women approach women with a genuine confident state of mind, while those who
aren't so great with them usually approach them in an insecure state.
The lines between confidence and
insecurity are fluid though - we all have reasons to feel confident, and reasons to feel insecure. The trick is
programming your mind to naturally be in a confident state with women by bringing to mind the attributes about
yourself that you're confident about, and not letting yourself be overwhelmed by that which makes you feel
insecure. So when you meet women, don't concern yourself with the fact you lack experience with women, are
over-weight, got a bad hair cut etc etc...focus on the fact that you're a good converstationalist, you're
successful, make good money, etc etc etc.
Thats all there is to it.
phersurf
12-29-2005, 02:37 PM
A man's
confidence in himself comes from achievement in life. Anything else is a false bravado. And that can certainly work
if you are into fluzies or the occasional unfulfilled one night stand. But a good woman will see right through that.
The saying "Money talks and Bullshit walks" is very true when trying to hook up with a worthwhile women. Too many of
you young people are trying to look for quick and easy solutions to life's challanges. There are no shortcuts, be
they NLP or pheromones.
I now plenty of guys that are not major achievers but have total
confidence.
One of my aquaintances makes about 50K, lives in a 1 bedroom condo, drives a 5 year old Honda
and was dating a Century City lawyer for 5 years (she probably made 4 times what he made). Now he's with a Bev
Hills real estate agent.
Women are attracted to confident guys that have high status. You can have both of
these without what would be considered major achievments.
NaughtieGirl
12-29-2005, 02:58 PM
I now
plenty of guys that are not major achievers but have total confidence.
One of my aquaintances makes about 50K,
lives in a 1 bedroom condo, drives a 5 year old Honda and was dating a Century City lawyer for 5 years (she probably
made 4 times what he made). Now he's with a Bev Hills real estate agent.
Women are attracted to confident guys
that have high status. You can have both of these without what would be considered major achievments.
And that is because .... unlike what many men think, women are NOT always drawn to financial success. Especially
if we have a decent job of our own that we love.
To me a strong man, confident and with well-defined moral
values (provided those values mesh with mine) and tons of overall charm, wittiness and intelligence - is imminently
more attractive.
phersurf
12-29-2005, 03:24 PM
And that is
because .... unlike what many men think, women are NOT always drawn to financial success. Especially if we have a
decent job of our own that we love.
And that's what the much derided (on this board anyways) David D
teaches men.
No matter what several people here think, it is possible to improve your confidence and status
using various tools. At first they may not be totally congruent (fake it until you make it), but success breeds more
success.
tounge
12-30-2005, 12:51 PM
Where the hell have I said
financial success equates to confidence. I know many people who are lower middle class and have genuine
self-confidence.
The problem with you DeAngelo lemmings, is you must think men were not successful with
women before Davey boy showed you the promised land.
FWIW, I like DeAngelo and think he gives terrific
advice. However, many men have no need to fork over dough for an E-Book, the Super CD series and the Super Super
Duper highly secret only he knows DVD SET FOR $299.99.
This stuff is common sense. Men have been attracting
women for centuries.
Achievement can be many things besides financial or worldly success, but confidence
must come from a solid foundation. And confidence build on itself, when you achieve your goals.
phersurf
12-30-2005, 01:15 PM
The
problem with you DeAngelo lemmings, is you must think men were not successful with women before Davey boy showed you
the promised land.
Absolutely wrong! We all know guys that are good with women. I had a cousin that
did almost everything that DD does years before DD. Anytime I asked my cousin for help he would just tell me to be
myself. Unforunatley, "myself" was a nice guy that would compliment women and try to impress them.
DD uses
many examples of men (and gives them credit) that are "naturally" good with women long before he was around. He is
just one of the first to actually see what they were doing and document it.
FWIW, I like DeAngelo and
think he gives terrific advice. However, many men have no need to fork over dough for an E-Book, the Super CD series
and the Super Super Duper highly secret only he knows DVD SET FOR $299.99.
YOur right. Many men
don't need to buy any of his stuff. But just as many (probably more) would totally benifit from his info. I've had
my share of women and relationships. But after DD I feel like I'm much more in control of the direction any
relationship I'm involved in will take. And I'm also dating higher quality women.
This stuff is
common sense. Men have been attracting women for centuries.
Common sense! Where in any
mainstream advice were men ever told that playfully insulting women and busting their balls would create
attraction?
tounge
12-30-2005, 01:25 PM
Absolutely wrong!
We all know guys that are good with women. I had a cousin that did almost everything that DD does years before DD.
Anytime I asked my cousin for help he would just tell me to be myself. Unforunatley, "myself" was a nice guy that
would compliment women and try to impress them.
DD uses many examples of men (and gives them credit) that are
"naturally" good with women long before he was around. He is just one of the first to actually see what they were
doing and document it.
YOur right. Many men don't need to buy any of his stuff. But just as many
(probably more) would totally benifit from his info. I've had my share of women and relationships. But after DD I
feel like I'm much more in control of the direction any relationship I'm involved in will take. And I'm also
dating higher quality women.
Common sense! Where in any mainstream advice were men ever told that
playfully insulting women and busting their balls would create attraction?
Sorry, but playfully
insulting women and busting their balls is not what creates attraction. It can amplify it somewhat but it does not
create it.
Look, I've told you before,if DeAngelo works for you, than more power to you. I'm just
suspicious of all these dating guru sights that charge people an arm and a leg, when this advice is readily
avaliable with little cost. And I really get a kick out of the gurus that try to con guys out of their hard earned
moola, with the promise that they can attract any women, at anytime, and only they have the "MAGIC" formula.
catlord17
12-31-2005, 02:10 AM
Tounge, I 'd like you to
think on this. A beautiful woman is usually harder to get because she knows she's beautiful, right? But how does
she know this? Nobody starts off by looking in the mirror and saying, "I'm just all that." We all form our self
image based initially on what other people tell us, whether it be through words, body language, or
actions.
That super hot babe believes she's super hot because several hundred, or possibly thousand people
told her she is in various ways, repeatedly, consistently.
Right?
Well what if I happen to think
she's ugly? Does that make her self image change? Probably not.
So who's right? Is she a 10, as 1,000
people have told her, or a 2, as I decide to think? Or, is she a 5, as someone else might decide?
Of course
she believes she's super hot because she's been told the same thing over and over again. And she has real
confidence that she is super hot because she's gotten used to these statements to this effect. That confidence
didn't come from her winning the Miss USA pageant. It came from the thousand times she had the same BS repeated to
her.
Now if I make a CD that tells me that I'm now a confident guy, and it does so 750 times per hour, and I
listen to it an hour a day for 30 days, I've been told I am a confident guy 22,500 times. Chances are good that at
that point, I'll believe it, and act on that belief, and I will be confident. Is that confidence any different
than the confidence of the HB about her being a HB?
Likewise, take my cousin for example. He's a guy who
knows about anything you could want to know about construction. He's very good as a foreman, in fact, and he
handles complex situations with admirable ease. In other words, he knows what he's doing, and he has the
confidence that comes from knowing what he's doing.
Now he didn't get his confidence just because someone
told him he was confident, he got his confidence by doing a job until he was familiar with it. And what is that but
building a series of experiences that can then allow for a prediction of a similar result? Same as the first two
examples, only now it's a physical thing. "If I hold a nail this way, I'll avoid smashing my thumb."
My
point here is that there's no difference between confidence that comes from words alone and confidence that comes
from accomplishments, because the subconscious mind cannot distingush between them. If you visualize yourself
succeeding with women, and you do it enough, you'll have the same level of confidence with women as the guy who
actually did it. Same thing with visualizing working out. Same thing with anything.
Emotions come from the
subconscious, and the subconscious has no critical thinking capacity. It believes whatever you tell it. And
whatever it believes, it tries to make real. This is why a woman can get a breast reduction and have to have it
re-done a year or two later. If she never changed her self image in her mind, her subconscious works to re-build
her body to match it.
In the end, everything you experience depends directly on what "program" your
subconscious is "running". And if you change that program, your reality changes to reflect it. That's why
hypnosis, visualizations, subliminals and all the rest work.
tounge
12-31-2005, 08:09 AM
Dude take your "AGENDA" and stick
it. You have only three posts here and you think you are capable of casting judgements. Your posts and your attitude
reek of hypocrisy. And I have no futher use of any dialogue with you or your "AGENDA".
Catlord, There is
a difference in confidence from doing things, and just being told things. Your cousin developed confidence in doing
things and learnig things. The chick was always told she was hot. So what. Just because she is good looking, that
makes her a confident woman? She could hear how hot she is 1000 times a day. And yet she could be filled with
insecurites as many hot looking women are.
This disscusion has gone as far as it needs to go for me. It is
obvious that there are two different levels of thought here, and they are not congruent.
This thread should
probably be moved to Open,since it isn't even on the pheromone topic anymore. And I have no more time to waste with
it.
slick
12-31-2005, 08:18 AM
wow, i can feel the tension!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE
have a good one
:cheers::cheers:
Sigma
12-31-2005, 11:31 AM
Dude take your
"AGENDA" and stick it. You have only three posts here and you think you are capable of casting judgements. Your
posts and your attitude reek of hypocrisy. And I have no futher use of any dialogue with you or your "AGENDA".
Catlord, There is a difference in confidence from doing things, and just being told things. Your cousin
developed confidence in doing things and learnig things. The chick was always told she was hot. So what. Just
because she is good looking, that makes her a confident woman? She could hear how hot she is 1000 times a day. And
yet she could be filled with insecurites as many hot looking women are.
This disscusion has gone as far as it
needs to go for me. It is obvious that there are two different levels of thought here, and they are not
congruent.
This thread should probably be moved to Open,since it isn't even on the pheromone topic anymore. And
I have no more time to waste with it.
And on the same note, someone could have quite a bit of experience
in a particular area, but still be rife with insecurity if they don't have the right mentallity. Things aren't as
black and white as you make them sound, and there are other perspectives in the world other than your own. The
fault in your argument was never the fact that you were more right or wrong, both sides were right in their own
respect. - where you fell short is in your unwillingness to understand another perspective, while most of the other
posters conceded your point to an extent. and yes all the tasteless insults that you resulted to, some of which
almost got the thread deleted, didn't do much to build your credibility either.
oscar
12-31-2005, 12:21 PM
It's partly my fault that
this thread got ugly.
A previously banned user, who rather than appeal his banning chose instead to simply
register a new username, was doing a bit of year-end trolling here this weekend.
I knew who it was quite early
on, but chose to let him post for a couple of reasons, one of which was just to see if he could "make nice".
Evidently not.
I'm not particularly happy when ANY members get personal or insulting with other members, but
when it comes to banned users slinking in and causing disruptions I get especially defensive.
A Happy New Year
to ALL!
Oscar :)
tounge
12-31-2005, 01:40 PM
My last response in this
thread.
Dear sigma, The thread was taken to insults by the same poster using different names, as I suspected.
The problem is you don't agree with me like the other poster but didn't stoop to his underhanded tactics. And the
reason he did that is because he could not refute my points.
The difference is I understand where you and
your buddies are coming from. You say you can see what I was saying yet you still don't seem to grasp it. I have
given up on the subject, since I don't give a hoot what you people think on the subject. To each his own.
DrSmellThis
12-31-2005, 03:43 PM
It helps in understanding all
this to start with the strong assumption that every emotion, and thought with (even subtle) emotional correlates, is
reflected, without exception, in the hormones and pheromones you produce.
This is part of the benefit of the
holistic approach to evoking attraction that myself and some of the other senior forum members have so often
endorsed. You are creating a genuinely good relationship with persons potentially appropriate for you.
When
combining that insight with a natural approach to hygiene and body musk management (see: "not bathing for a week"
thread for a humorous intro), one should be able to improve ones chances.
For example, you might want to wear an
unwashed shirt your wore during an attractive mental state, or be sure to rinse and exfoliate your body after an
unattractive mental experience.
tim929
12-31-2005, 05:09 PM
originaly posted by
NaughtieGirl
And that is because .... unlike what many men think, women are NOT always drawn to financial
success. Especially if we have a decent job of our own that we love.
To me a strong man, confident and with
well-defined moral values (provided those values mesh with mine) and tons of overall charm, wittiness and
intelligence - is imminently more attractive.
You have no idea how many times I have heard women say
that.Its not all about that money,fame or what ever.Women are looking for MEN...not MALES.Being male simply means
that the stem got left on the apple.Being a man requires character,personal standards,skills and a brain to go with
it all.A man is a capable person all by him self.Its something that our scociety (western scociety) doesnt seem to
teach any more.How to be an independant thinker with standards and morals and character.
A little known factoid
( I have a million dollars worth of useless information stored in my brain) When the Titanic sank,boys of twelve
years or older were considered MEN! Twelve years old...MEN! If you wander around the shopping mall or local hang out
and look around for twelve year old men,I would be willing to bet you will only find spoiled children.The United
Nations keeps track of the number of "children" currently serving in various conflicts as soldiers.These kids,in
many cases younger than twelve are considered old enough within thier culture to be placed in combat rolls.There
were thirteen year olds LEADING troops and rebels in Africa last year.
The British Navy in the17th,18th and 19th
century sent kids as young as thirteen out on combat vessels...not as deck hands but as junior officers!They were
old enough to give orders AND expect them to be followed.These were the children of aristocracy and they were
expected to "grow a pair" and lead men under dangerous and often violent conditions.These were privilaged
kids...privilaged kids today get a video game console and an allowance,not rank and authority over combat
veterans.Funny thing was that the sailors they commanded did everything they could to help them lead!For the good of
the child who would one day(early twenties) command a frigate or a ship of the line that they might be on.(They took
pride in helping to produce competent officers and it might just save thier own lives one day.)
Ahhhhh...the
good ole days...anyway,I didnt mean to leap on my soap box and jump up and down waving my arms and making a bunch of
noise...its a habbit...sorry:sad: But men need to be men.Thats what so many women I have talked too want...real live
men.
:drunk: Happy New Year everybody:cheers:
Sigma
12-31-2005, 05:56 PM
I don't give a hoot
what you people think on the subject. To each his own.
exactly my point.
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