View Full Version : Need some info on standalone AE usage
hatch
12-10-2005, 10:08 AM
I'm searching for information regarding the usage of AE as a standalone rather than mixing it with something.
Unfortunately, there isn't much out there.
Has any experimented with using AE by itself? (hit reports, how
much you used, any OD's, etc...) The sky's the limit here, so speak up.
To the "untrained phero-eye" it
appears to be a good overall product which wouldn't require mixing. According to the product table, it contains
fair amounts of 'none, 'nol, and 'rone (not enough to cause an OD situation when used in moderation). This is
the main reason I decided to purchase it. I am just getting my feet wet with pheromones again and am trying to find
some good standalone products to use and get to know them like the back of my hand. I've personally found SOE to
be effective for me even in small amounts (1/2 packet of gel...just got my rolltop in today, hope to post some
findings soon). I noticed its effect were not just limited to my target, but the SOE had a great effect on me as
well.
Help with the AE would be greatly appreciated!
tim929
12-11-2005, 12:43 PM
I have used AE as a stand alone
many times and have found it to be a very good product in that roll.I usualy use no more than two drops total,one on
each side of my neck.On occasion I will use a third drop,sometimes on my neck and sometimes spread between both
wrists.AE is a very good product used stand alone,but like many people here I typicaly mix it with alittle SoE to
help temper the possible negative side effects of the slightly higer than normal A-NONE.
There are some threads here that
report on standalone use.
See my "Look here for lists of products that work for others" for example:
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13771
I've used AE/m by itself a few times and it was one of the products that I am pretty sure got some good
reactions, including, in afterthought, my first official DIHL. It was a two drop application, made about 5-6 hours
earlier in the day.
catlord17
12-12-2005, 09:01 PM
According to the information I
have found in the stick thread about the best threads, one drop of AE is about 0.023 mg of pheromones.... which puts
it into the optimum range. Wouldn't 2 or 3 drops be an OD?
hatch
12-12-2005, 10:52 PM
This is all good info. I'm
experimenting with AE as a standalone now (and am trying it with a touch of SOE) I'll post later the details and
results.
catlord17
12-13-2005, 03:58 AM
Wow... AE made a friend of
mine go haywire this evening. She simply could not keep herself from burying her nose in my neck, and she was trying
to lick where I applied it every chance she got. I literally had to tell her to stop more than ten times... while I
was driving her to wal mart, while she was in wal mart, and on the way back to her house... (She has no car, so I
drive her to the store sometimes as a favor.)
I have never seen her act like this! Not even close! And it
just got worse and worse all evening, as she was exposed more. At first, I thought it was having no effect. By the
end of the night I was starting to become frustrated that she would not stop! She could not seem to get close
enough, and it was like she was a puppy dog. It didn't seem overtly sexual... instead, she seemed to want to
snuggle and cuddle with me. Very different than her normal cool and aloof self, I must say. She never touches me!
It did take about 10 minutes in a closed car to start seeing results, but wow... I have got to see what AE does in
bars!!! This stuff could be incredibly dangerous!!! :D
By the way, I used four dabs, which I estimate would
equal a little more than a drop, or perhaps as much as a drop and a half. One dab each side of the neck, and one to
each wrist.
MOBLEYC57
12-13-2005, 08:19 AM
Wow... AE made
a friend of mine go haywire this evening. She simply could not keep herself from burying her nose in my neck, and
she was trying to lick where I applied it every chance she got. I literally had to tell her to stop more than ten
times... while I was driving her to wal mart, while she was in wal mart, and on the way back to her house... (She
has no car, so I drive her to the store sometimes as a favor.)
I have never seen her act like this! Not
even close! And it just got worse and worse all evening, as she was exposed more. At first, I thought it was having
no effect. By the end of the night I was starting to become frustrated that she would not stop! She could not seem
to get close enough, and it was like she was a puppy dog. It didn't seem overtly sexual... instead, she seemed to
want to snuggle and cuddle with me. Very different than her normal cool and aloof self, I must say. She never
touches me! It did take about 10 minutes in a closed car to start seeing results, but wow... I have got to see what
AE does in bars!!! This stuff could be incredibly dangerous!!! :D
By the way, I used four dabs, which I estimate
would equal a little more than a drop, or perhaps as much as a drop and a half. One dab each side of the neck, and
one to each wrist.
You should try two dabs of TE on your neck under those dabs of AE, CattyL. :whip:
catlord17
12-13-2005, 11:01 AM
You should
try two dabs of TE on your neck under those dabs of AE, CattyL. :whip:
Hmmm... I ask myself... would
that be safe? Would it get me ravaged? Am I afraid of what might happen if I tried that? :blink:
And I
answer myself... hmmm... I think I might just be! :rofl:
How insane is that!
So, Mobley, what are your
experiences with doing hat you suggested? :drunk:
I have got to
see what AE does in bars!!![/b]
which is???
please share :POKE: :whip:
Hmmm... I ask
myself... would that be safe? Would it get me ravaged? Am I afraid of what might happen if I tried
that? :blink:
And I answer myself... hmmm... I think I might just be! :rofl:
How insane is that!
So, Mobley, what are your experiences with doing hat you suggested? :drunk:
Lets hope so! i'm gonna
try it :twisted:
CptKipling
12-14-2005, 03:31 PM
You should try
two dabs of TE on your neck under those dabs of AE, CattyL. :whip:
Yezzir!
Two or three dabs of TE
and two or three drops of AE.
oscar
12-14-2005, 05:11 PM
According to the
information I have found in the stick thread about the best threads, one drop of AE is about 0.023 mg of
pheromones.... which puts it into the optimum range. Wouldn't 2 or 3 drops be an OD?
catlord17,
One
problem with that otherwise excellent data provided by "Scientist" that you found in the sticky thread, is that it
doesn't account for the size of the drops that are delivered by AE's current dropper-cap. When that was written AE
came packaged in a flat-topped clear vial.
Those numbers appear to calculated based on the 20 drops per
milliliter rule; a "rule" with which water seems to comply pretty consistently, but regrettably few other liquids
do.
Those forum members who calculated the AE dropper-top at the time of the packaging change consistently came
up with results ranging from 50 to 60 drops per mL. So the "theoretical" (1/20th mL.) drops mentioned in that sticky
thread would actually be 2.5 to 3 times the size of today's "reality" drops. Thus more drops are now needed to get
a respectable dose.
Consider also that if you DID manage to measure out a precise 1/20th of a mL of AE, (roughly
3 drops by my reckoning), of the .0225mg of pheromones contained therein, the breakdown would be:
.01mg of
A-None
.0075mg of A-Nol
.005mg of A-Rone
.........about half of what I'd want to wear based on my target optimum
A-None dose of .02mg.
Your optimum A-None dose may vary, but as an older guy I find 5 or 6 drops of AE to be a
safe, effective application.
Oscar :)
gfunk
12-14-2005, 09:35 PM
AE is a steady good product for
me, I can handle 3 drops fine, 4 drops and I start to get a small headache, but the results seem better. 5 drops is
definately a overkill for close relations for me anyways.
catlord17,
One
problem with that otherwise excellent data provided by "Scientist" that you found in the sticky thread, is that it
doesn't account for the size of the drops that are delivered by AE's current dropper-cap. When that was written AE
came packaged in a flat-topped clear vial.
Those numbers appear to calculated based on the 20 drops per
milliliter rule; a "rule" with which water seems to comply pretty consistently, but regrettably few other liquids
do.
Those forum members who calculated the AE dropper-top at the time of the packaging change consistently came
up with results ranging from 50 to 60 drops per mL. So the "theoretical" (1/20th mL.) drops mentioned in that sticky
thread would actually be 2.5 to 3 times the size of today's "reality" drops. Thus more drops are now needed to get
a respectable dose.
Consider also that if you DID manage to measure out a precise 1/20th of a mL of AE, (roughly
3 drops by my reckoning), of the .0225mg of pheromones contained therein, the breakdown would be:
.01mg of
A-None
.0075mg of A-Nol
.005mg of A-Rone
.........about half of what I'd want to wear based on my target optimum
A-None dose of .02mg.
Your optimum A-None dose may vary, but as an older guy I find 5 or 6 drops of AE to be a
safe, effective application.
Oscar :)
So maybe it's a good time to update or add an Addendum
to that Sticky (to mention that the measurements were made with older packaging). Depending on outdated info isn't
going to help.
Stickies need to be kept as current as possible as they are core references. Same with the info
in the Pherolibrary, Product Guide, and FAQs. If nothing else edit in a disclaimer that "results may vary."
_
Kardz
12-17-2005, 06:21 PM
That being said, could I expect
the same measurements with all other love scent products? AE dropper and the dropper with say AA314 and PI seem to
be relatively equal drops, atleast I haven't noticed any difference but I haven't really focused on drop size
either. Just what was expected in a drop.
In other words, would I need 2.5 times what I THOUGHT i'd use when it
came to PI/m, AA314, or any other LS product?
Ryan
belgareth
12-17-2005, 08:02 PM
So maybe it's a
good time to update or add an Addendum to that Sticky (to mention that the measurements were made with older
packaging). Depending on outdated info isn't going to help.
Stickies need to be kept as current as possible as
they are core references. Same with the info in the Pherolibrary, Product Guide, and FAQs. If nothing else edit in a
disclaimer that "results may vary."
_
Are you volunteering?
Are you
volunteering?
Well I did recently try to get some updated opinions on the pheromone "effects."
I
also don't own any of the older products for comparison, really don't have a good measuring device, and am
terrible at numbers (don't even *ask* about my checkbook...).
I *am* thinking of putting together an
application/dispensing notes posting. That's why I recently asked if there was a specific name for those "dropper"
inserts in some of the product bottles so I could differentiate between "insert drops" (call em "drips"??) and
"eyedropper drops."
:think:
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oscar
12-18-2005, 02:27 PM
..........I recently
asked if there was a specific name for those "dropper" inserts in some of the product bottles so I could
differentiate between "insert drops" (call em "drips"??) and "eyedropper drops."
:think:
_
Rbt,
Those plastic inserts that you find in NPA, PI, WAGG, and aA314 are known as "Reducer Caps" in the bottle
biz.
Oscar :)
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