View Full Version : How to schedule experimenting?
Premizen
12-09-2005, 09:15 AM
Well,
I have asked for advice in several other threads, but I still decided to create my own.
Anyway, I ordered nine
products at a time, which was obviously a mistake: AE, TE, A1 (Full strength), APC, AA314, Chikara, IMPI, NPA, SOE
(Unscented). Now, as I have already posted on some other threads, I feel as if I was a kid in a candy store, not
being able to decide which candy to buy. I am eager to experiment, but I really have no idea how to do it. When I
only had my Chikara, it was easy to figure out the best amount to apply. But really. How should I schedule my
experimenting now? What product should I start with? Should I try them all stand-alone, too? Even NPA, A1 and such?
From what amount should I start? When should I add another product to the mix?
I am sooo confused and not knowing
what to do, lol.
Not even funny.
belgareth
12-09-2005, 09:24 AM
You should try each stand alone
for long enough to determine what each does. You have some over lap in products there so you should set up a chart
later, before mixing to determine which mones you be wearing.
It's slow and tedious but the process I used as a
newbie was to wear one product, it doesn't matter which, at a given dose for a week and note results on a
spreadsheet. The next week I'd up the dose and do it again. Keep this up until you have upper and lower threshhold
levels for each product. Then you should have enough data to understand what, if anything, each product does for
you.
If you start mixing right away you'll go through a lot more product while learning a lot less. You might
get lucky and find a mix that works for you but you are at least as likely to screw up completely and never learn
anything.
MGT333
12-18-2005, 04:02 PM
You should try
each stand alone for long enough to determine what each does. You have some over lap in products there so you should
set up a chart later, before mixing to determine which mones you be wearing.
It's slow and tedious but the
process I used as a newbie was to wear one product, it doesn't matter which, at a given dose for a week and note
results on a spreadsheet. The next week I'd up the dose and do it again. Keep this up until you have upper and
lower threshhold levels for each product. Then you should have enough data to understand what, if anything, each
product does for you.
If you start mixing right away you'll go through a lot more product while learning a lot
less. You might get lucky and find a mix that works for you but you are at least as likely to screw up completely
and never learn anything.
This info is excellent. I ordered my first mones ever this past Friday
12/16/05. I threw down $165 out of insane curiosity on SOE unscented, NPA 5ml, AE, and TE unscented. I also went out
and bought some ROCHAS cologne which I'm already getting compliments on.
Thanks for the advice, you probably
saved me a lot of wasted time.
EDIT: EXAMPLE basically then if you notice that 2 drops of SOE works best for you
then move on to trying NPA, once you figure out 1 drop of NPA is enough then you could just assume everytime that
2:1 is your winning number ?
belgareth
12-18-2005, 07:52 PM
Thanks for the
advice, you probably saved me a lot of wasted time.
EDIT: EXAMPLE basically then if you notice that 2 drops of
SOE works best for you then move on to trying NPA, once you figure out 1 drop of NPA is enough then you could just
assume everytime that 2:1 is your winning number ?
Your welcome and I wish you tremendous success.
More
likely it sets your starting point. Sometimes I think combos like that act as a catalyst and each product enhances
the other. My advice would be much the same as before. Try the combo for a week and note the results. Then increase
it to 2:2 or 3:1. See what happens. You can visulize the matrix you'll create and how it will help you learn,
can't you? Over time you'll learn to mix with great certainty and, I hope, with a lot of success.
Ok, so I do
things the slow and tedious way, it works. :)
Excellent suggestion bel. I've
been going about the same way thus far.
But it feels like I'll hit that perfect dosage and combination in
years. :(
Oh well, life could be worse.
Premizen
01-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Alright, I have decided to
start experimenting with the products one by one (wearing only one product at a time) starting with tomorrow. The
first product will probably be AE. I will start with just one drop and go up by one drop every day (or every two
days). Or should I wear one type of application for more than just 1-2 days? Damn, will take a lot of time,
considering there are quite a few products available (even I already have 9). I will probably write down some notes
every day.
Now, I have got a few questions, though. Firstly - I believe there are some products I should not try
completely stand-alone, right? For example NPA would probably not be too good without mixing or covering? Same with
TE - am I right? Or should I still even experiment with those stand-alone? Just covering with normal
cologne?
Another thing that is bothering my mind - let us imagine I have found out the best dosage for myself for
each product. How should I start mixing then? I mean - there would probably be like millions of combinations, if I
have, say, 10 products and I would try out every single combination of them, dosages of each product 1-10 drops
(which makes the number of combinations even bigger) for a few days.
So what should I keep in mind when I have
reached the stage when I know how any product works for me stand-alone and want to start thorough experimenting with
different mixes? It would be impossible just to try out any possible combination..
Phew - it is late and when I
read my own post, I could not understand the most of it even myself. I hope you, wise people, do understand some of
it, though and can help me with my concerns. I want to do some serious and intelligent experimenting, not mixing
random products with each other not even knowing what I am doing or trying to achieve.
Thanks!
Premizen
Alright, I have
decided to start experimenting with the products one by one (wearing only one product at a time) starting with
tomorrow. The first product will probably be AE. I will start with just one drop and go up by one drop every day (or
every two days). Or should I wear one type of application for more than just 1-2 days? Damn, will take a lot of
time, considering there are quite a few products available (even I already have 9). I will probably write down some
notes every day.
Definitely take notes. It will help you immensely in figuring out what works
for you. Don't rely on memory.
Now, I have got a few questions, though. Firstly - I believe there
are some products I should not try completely stand-alone, right? For example NPA would probably not be too good
without mixing or covering? Same with TE - am I right? Or should I still even experiment with those stand-alone?
Just covering with normal cologne?
You are right. NPA and TE, as well as PI, should be worn with
a cologne. Also, since they contain pheromones that can be intimidating to women, most people use the products with
some level of other product, ie chikara, soe, wagg -- the more social products.
Another thing that
is bothering my mind - let us imagine I have found out the best dosage for myself for each product. How should I
start mixing then? I mean - there would probably be like millions of combinations, if I have, say, 10 products and I
would try out every single combination of them, dosages of each product 1-10 drops (which makes the number of
combinations even bigger) for a few days.
Yes, it is difficult. I recommend testing with the
none-based products first, since they have the smallest margin in terms of the "sweet spot". Then once you have that
down, add a second product that's not a none product (chikara or A314 have none but only in small amounts). Test
with your ideal amount of none product and a small amount of social product. Keep upping the amount on the social
product until you find the most effective combo. Then add a third product. Then you may have to play with the amount
of the product it's most like. If it's AE you are adding, you might have to lower the none based product amount.
If it's wagg you are adding, you may have to up the none based product amount or lower the social based
product.
ETC, ETC
I want to do some serious and intelligent experimenting, not mixing
random products with each other not even knowing what I am doing or trying to achieve.
Cool!
:cheers:
Premizen
01-08-2006, 05:46 PM
Thank you! You managed to
answer pretty much all of my questions in one post.
Another thing stroke my mind, though - would it be enough to to
my experiments mostly only at school around the people I am together with almost every day for years? One part of me
thinks it would be great, since I know the people very well and can probably easily detect different reactions and
hits.
Other part of me is a bit worried, though, that maybe it is not that good at all, because the people might
be so used to me, that they do not react too much? .. probably not, though? Since when I have worn the pheromones at
school before, I actually have got quite much reaction and hits. Just - maybe it is not the best solution?
Maybe experienting somewhere else is even better?
I do realise that for dating, parties and clubbing it is a
whole different thing. But still - getting to know how each product works for me is essential for everything, as I
have learned!
By the way - how long do you think I would be wearing one dosage before moving to the next one? As I
stated in my previous post I was thinking about 1 or 2 days but could it be ridiculously little?
Thank you! You
managed to answer pretty much all of my questions in one post.
Another thing stroke my mind, though - would it be
enough to to my experiments mostly only at school around the people I am together with almost every day for years?
One part of me thinks it would be great, since I know the people very well and can probably easily detect different
reactions and hits.
Other part of me is a bit worried, though, that maybe it is not that good at all, because
the people might be so used to me, that they do not react too much? .. probably not, though? Since when I have worn
the pheromones at school before, I actually have got quite much reaction and hits. Just - maybe it is not the
best solution? Maybe experienting somewhere else is even better?
I do realise that for dating, parties
and clubbing it is a whole different thing. But still - getting to know how each product works for me is essential
for everything, as I have learned!
By the way - how long do you think I would be wearing one dosage before moving
to the next one? As I stated in my previous post I was thinking about 1 or 2 days but could it be ridiculously
little?
It's a long road figuring out what works for you. I'd start with the common
recommendations for the none products and see how it works at each dosage until you feel you basically know how it
will make you feel and what types of hits you are getting. Then move on. Also, wash well where you
apply.
People who know you really well -- best friends, family -- may react less. However, you are more
likely to notice changes in their behavior since you know their normal behavior. Strangers will react the most, as
part of how we size people up is there smell.
At school, not everyone is your best friend and you'll get
people who will react overtly.
Sigma
01-08-2006, 06:39 PM
It's a long road
figuring out what works for you. I'd start with the common recommendations for the none products and see how it
works at each dosage until you feel you basically know how it will make you feel and what types of hits you are
getting. Then move on. Also, wash well where you apply.
People who know you really well -- best friends, family
-- may react less. However, you are more likely to notice changes in their behavior since you know their normal
behavior. Strangers will react the most, as part of how we size people up is there smell.
I'm
starting to notice that mones have less of an impact on friends and close acquaintances initially, but that their
perceptions tend to change after long-term influence of the mones....particularly my male friends. Some of my more
arrogant friends are starting to act in a more defensive manner, as if to protect their dominant perception of
themselves. My other friends have started showing strong -rone influenced reactions, though I've been messing with
a314 since august. I've gotten a couple of out of the ordinary complements from friends.
Has anyone else
noticed similar long-term effects on friends?
My female friends actually respond more quickly to mones than my
male friends, and somtimes actually seemed to be under the influence right away - though not in a sexual manner.
I'd see increased talkativity, trust, and respect from them.
Good observations! Like any change,
over time, people will adapt to the new us.
But congruency matters somewhat, too. You can't act beta and
expect to considered alpha by those who know you well.
Sigma
01-08-2006, 07:15 PM
But congruency
matters somewhat, too. You can't act beta and expect to considered alpha by those who know you
well.
Definately True.
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