View Full Version : AE/M, Chikara, Pheros, Alpha A314... nothing works!
junglesitar
11-19-2005, 09:40 AM
Hi y'all,
I'm aware that this question may have been answered in different ways already...
I've trolled through the forum for more than a week already and can't quite get the answer I'm looking for.
I'm completely new to this, although I've done a bit of reading... regarding amounts/od'ing and finding one's
personal formula in relation to one's own body chemistry and location.
Briefly, I'm an Caucasian yoga teacher
in a small south-east asian country and am surrounded by women all day, who listen to me, and generally give me
attention because that's the nature of my role and position/status. You could say I've had ample opportunity to
test the pheromones, in fact you might want to send me your pheromone samples because I may be the perfect test
case! :) I physically adjust students, male and female... not in a sexual way, but just so we can rule out the issue
of proximics... I'm physically pressed up close to upwards of 20-30 people in a room, mostly female, several times
a day. I keep 95% vegetarian, am in excellent physical condition, and have never had trouble with women... I've
always had lots of choice and particuarly here in this city where the woman/man ratio is high everywhere and
caucasian's are a bit fetishsized.
I'm kind of an extreme type, no experience and I placed my first order of
Chikara unscented, AE/M, Pheros, & Alpha A314
Day one: Chikara unscented. 2-3 sprays on neck and wrists. The
reactions I get from society/work/students is about the same as usual... if I had to say anything at all it would be
*maybe* a bit more chattyness from both my side and others... but nothing to be called a "hit". I took a
shower during the day and applied again fresh. Had a headache and could smell some residue by the end of the day
that wasn't terribly pleasant. If that was the extent of the effect of Chikara, it certainly wouldn't sell much!
Day two: AE/M. 3 dabs split between the neck and wrists. No reactions from anyone either negative or
positive. Also got a headache, and took a shower in the day and tried a fresh dose... yes, I scrubbed the points.
Day three: Pheros. 2-3 dabs in between behind ears and wrists. No reactions to report. I spent the day with
my girlfriend, and even had her smell my wrists to get her opinion. She said it smelled nice but that was as far as
it went. I took a shower and reapplied later in the evening and we had sex but it wasn't particuarly hot or
prompted by insatiable desire or anything... just, for lack of better words; routine.
Day four: AA314. 1-2
drops split between ears and wrists. Again nothing to report. I ordered this one without much knowledge, but having
the "big daddy" effect doesn't interest me much. Just had to try it since it's in the arsenal already. I tried it
twice in the day with a hot shower in between (I have a shower at my office)
Each day I've spent nearly the
entire day with women either in a professional or personal setting. While I'm not exactly strutting up to the
hottest woman I can find and striking up conversation with her, I'm far from shy, and I'm definitely in the
position to know if it has an effect socially. I am not looking to turn on my students or staff, but outside of work
it sounds fun of course. I would be enthusiastic if it helps me to open lines of conversation and hmm... well, I
wouldn't complain if it bordered on more of course ;)
Each day I should add that I end up with a headache.
:sick:
I know that the headache may indicate OD but... do these look like high application amounts? I've tried
one dab with NO effect, took a hot soapy shower, applied a little more... no effect as well.
Does it take a few
days to build it up or should I stick with one for a while or... give up? If any out of these four had any vague
effect it would be Chikara, but again, it leaves me with a headache which clears after a shower.
Thanks to the
wise and grand phero wizards who can help me get more out of this pheromone experience... but at the moment I'm not
feelin it! What to do?
MrPlayboy
11-19-2005, 04:09 PM
Hi y'all,
I'm aware that this question may have been answered in different ways already... I've trolled through the forum
for more than a week already and can't quite get the answer I'm looking for.
I'm completely new to this,
although I've done a bit of reading... regarding amounts/od'ing and finding one's personal formula in relation to
one's own body chemistry and location.
Briefly, I'm an Caucasian yoga teacher in a small south-east asian
country and am surrounded by women all day, who listen to me, and generally give me attention because that's the
nature of my role and position/status. You could say I've had ample opportunity to test the pheromones, in fact you
might want to send me your pheromone samples because I may be the perfect test case! :) I physically adjust
students, male and female... not in a sexual way, but just so we can rule out the issue of proximics... I'm
physically pressed up close to upwards of 20-30 people in a room, mostly female, several times a day. I keep 95%
vegetarian, am in excellent physical condition, and have never had trouble with women... I've always had lots of
choice and particuarly here in this city where the woman/man ratio is high everywhere and caucasian's are a bit
fetishsized.
I'm kind of an extreme type, no experience and I placed my first order of Chikara unscented, AE/M,
Pheros, & Alpha A314
Day one: Chikara unscented. 2-3 sprays on neck and wrists. The reactions I get from
society/work/students is about the same as usual... if I had to say anything at all it would be *maybe* a bit
more chattyness from both my side and others... but nothing to be called a "hit". I took a shower during the day and
applied again fresh. Had a headache and could smell some residue by the end of the day that wasn't terribly
pleasant. If that was the extent of the effect of Chikara, it certainly wouldn't sell much!
Day two:
AE/M. 3 dabs split between the neck and wrists. No reactions from anyone either negative or positive. Also got a
headache, and took a shower in the day and tried a fresh dose... yes, I scrubbed the points.
Day three:
Pheros. 2-3 dabs in between behind ears and wrists. No reactions to report. I spent the day with my girlfriend,
and even had her smell my wrists to get her opinion. She said it smelled nice but that was as far as it went. I took
a shower and reapplied later in the evening and we had sex but it wasn't particuarly hot or prompted by insatiable
desire or anything... just, for lack of better words; routine.
Day four: AA314. 1-2 drops split between
ears and wrists. Again nothing to report. I ordered this one without much knowledge, but having the "big daddy"
effect doesn't interest me much. Just had to try it since it's in the arsenal already. I tried it twice in the day
with a hot shower in between (I have a shower at my office)
Each day I've spent nearly the entire day with
women either in a professional or personal setting. While I'm not exactly strutting up to the hottest woman I can
find and striking up conversation with her, I'm far from shy, and I'm definitely in the position to know if it has
an effect socially. I am not looking to turn on my students or staff, but outside of work it sounds fun of course. I
would be enthusiastic if it helps me to open lines of conversation and hmm... well, I wouldn't complain if it
bordered on more of course ;)
Each day I should add that I end up with a headache. :sick:
I know that the
headache may indicate OD but... do these look like high application amounts? I've tried one dab with NO effect,
took a hot soapy shower, applied a little more... no effect as well.
Does it take a few days to build it up or
should I stick with one for a while or... give up? If any out of these four had any vague effect it would be
Chikara, but again, it leaves me with a headache which clears after a shower.
Thanks to the wise and grand phero
wizards who can help me get more out of this pheromone experience... but at the moment I'm not feelin it! What to
do?
My experience at first was similar to yours.
As far as the chikara is concerned, I tried
various amounts of it and it didn't work well. And then one day I just sprayed ONE spray and from that point on I
see it working, but it has to be just ONE spray.
I combine my ONE spray of chikara unscented with ONE drop of
NPA and a spray of Le Male cologne (le male cologne is the best cologne for when you want to get women in a sexual
mood) and this has been the best mix for me so far.
I still haven't gotten my aa314, but I am going to do 2
drops with ONE drop of npa...I think this will really help me be one of the best macks in my city...I just have a
really sick feeling about it.
Also, when comparing results you have to compare with people of similar age. I'm
23.
Visionary7903
11-19-2005, 04:46 PM
Hi junglesitar
Welcome
to the forum!
If you are around women all day you really should get A1 (try the half strength cheaper bottle
first). You will definitely like the way it relaxes the ladies and makes them feel so comfortable and intimate
around you. If you are one of the men who gets depressed or tired from wearing A1 I would recommend getting
Realm/men which contains small amounts of a phero which improves the mood of males and you should spray this a few
times a day.
I think the problem you are having is that you are trying products that contain substantial amounts
of -None in an Asian country. You MAY already produce too much -None for a lot of the ladies in that country given
that you are caucasian. They might be intimidated if you put on more -None. Keep in mind I have the Clint Eastwood
Effect / Lone Wolf thingy going on so I am obviously biased against wearing -None.
The following two paragraphs
are all about showing you that pheromones actually work and convert you into a believer:thumbsup: :
From the
products you have got, I would try wearing good dosages of products of either AE/m (3-4 drops), or Chikara (2
sprays) just before you are going to have sex with your gf. These products both contain substantial amounts of -None
(especially AE/m) and I would be suprised if the sex will not be more passionate/animalistic. Other than that you
should see increased respect and attentiveness from people who you talk to and perhaps more intimidation too from
some people when you are wearing those dosages of AE/m and Chikara.
With Dr. Smell This' Pheros product, what I
would do is apply a heavy dose on my face (say 4-5 dabs) and then immediately start interacting with women. DO NOT
wear any of your other products when you do this. You should see obvious results from this - every woman you talk to
is likely to be smiling. Unfortunately for me this only lasts for 20-30 mins but you could always reapply when you
need to. For example, if you know you will be having a quick lunch with a hottie friend, apply right before you are
meeting etc. You need to have game too when you are talking to them (be charming, no supplication, etc.) as this
will just make them feel really comfortable around you and see you in a better light but it will not turn them onto
a highly sexual state by itself.
But bottom line man I would definitely buy A1 for your situation and maybe
other 'comfort mones' that Asian women seem to have liked from posts on the forum in the past as well as from my
own experiences such as SOE especially, and WAGG, Beta-Androstenol, etc....
Visionary
Hi y'all,
I'm aware that this question may have been answered in different ways already...
I've trolled through the forum for more than a week already and can't quite get the answer I'm looking for.
I'm completely new to this, although I've done a bit of reading... regarding amounts/od'ing and finding one's
personal formula in relation to one's own body chemistry and location.
Briefly, I'm an Caucasian yoga teacher
in a small south-east asian country and am surrounded by women all day, who listen to me, and generally give me
attention because that's the nature of my role and position/status. You could say I've had ample opportunity to
test the pheromones, in fact you might want to send me your pheromone samples because I may be the perfect test
case! :) I physically adjust students, male and female... not in a sexual way, but just so we can rule out the issue
of proximics... I'm physically pressed up close to upwards of 20-30 people in a room, mostly female, several times
a day. I keep 95% vegetarian, am in excellent physical condition, and have never had trouble with women... I've
always had lots of choice and particuarly here in this city where the woman/man ratio is high everywhere and
caucasian's are a bit fetishsized.
I'm kind of an extreme type, no experience and I placed my first order of
Chikara unscented, AE/M, Pheros, & Alpha A314
Day one: Chikara unscented. 2-3 sprays on neck and wrists. The
reactions I get from society/work/students is about the same as usual... if I had to say anything at all it would be
*maybe* a bit more chattyness from both my side and others... but nothing to be called a "hit". I took a
shower during the day and applied again fresh. Had a headache and could smell some residue by the end of the day
that wasn't terribly pleasant. If that was the extent of the effect of Chikara, it certainly wouldn't sell much!
Day two: AE/M. 3 dabs split between the neck and wrists. No reactions from anyone either negative or
positive. Also got a headache, and took a shower in the day and tried a fresh dose... yes, I scrubbed the points.
Day three: Pheros. 2-3 dabs in between behind ears and wrists. No reactions to report. I spent the day with
my girlfriend, and even had her smell my wrists to get her opinion. She said it smelled nice but that was as far as
it went. I took a shower and reapplied later in the evening and we had sex but it wasn't particuarly hot or
prompted by insatiable desire or anything... just, for lack of better words; routine.
Day four: AA314.
1-2 drops split between ears and wrists. Again nothing to report. I ordered this one without much knowledge, but
having the "big daddy" effect doesn't interest me much. Just had to try it since it's in the arsenal already. I
tried it twice in the day with a hot shower in between (I have a shower at my office)
Each day I've spent
nearly the entire day with women either in a professional or personal setting. While I'm not exactly strutting up
to the hottest woman I can find and striking up conversation with her, I'm far from shy, and I'm definitely in the
position to know if it has an effect socially. I am not looking to turn on my students or staff, but outside of work
it sounds fun of course. I would be enthusiastic if it helps me to open lines of conversation and hmm... well, I
wouldn't complain if it bordered on more of course ;)
Each day I should add that I end up with a headache.
:sick:
I know that the headache may indicate OD but... do these look like high application amounts? I've tried
one dab with NO effect, took a hot soapy shower, applied a little more... no effect as well.
Does it take a few
days to build it up or should I stick with one for a while or... give up? If any out of these four had any vague
effect it would be Chikara, but again, it leaves me with a headache which clears after a shower.
Thanks to the
wise and grand phero wizards who can help me get more out of this pheromone experience... but at the moment I'm not
feelin it! What to do?
junglesitar
11-19-2005, 08:30 PM
Thanks for both
of your suggestions... I'll try the Pheros dabs to the face in the next hour and let you know what the results
are...
Visionary, when you say to get A1 are you referring to Pheromax? The straight up A1 looks a little too
professional for this corner at the moment. Also the Beta-Nol... I believe there is no product offered on this site
that contains it, aside from the chemistry set which again, I'm not that hard-core yet :)
-JungleSitar
belgareth
11-19-2005, 10:39 PM
Don't expect a lot in the way
of hits from Pheros by itself. It's a fine product and I have used a lot of it but not alone. Pheros' best
attribute is to cover other things with a unique smell. I get a lot of compliments from it.
Visionary7903
11-20-2005, 12:54 AM
Junglesitar
With the
A1 I ment the one in the chem set not Pheromax (Pheromax/m contains -Nol and -None, as well as A1). Get the half
strength bottle ($49.95). I know the chem set is scary to newbies and yeah you CANNOT return stuff that you buy from
there but the whole reason A1 is only there and in very few other products (Pheromax/m and Realm/w are the only ones
that I know of) is because of patent issues with Erox. Trust me on this one I would get A1 if I was around women all
day like you are - remember it might affect your own mood negatively or make you more tired than usual so be
prepared (maybe try the Realm/m as an antidote to this if it happens as I stated before). There is no product like
A1!
Anyway maybe you can hold off on the Beta-Nol until you have experimented some more. Give DST's Pheros a
try more than once and see how positive womens' reactions are to you in the immediate aftermath (20-30 mins) after
a heavy application (3-6 dabs). For me it works just fine alone if used like I stated. I am on my second bottle of
the latest batch of the product.
Visionary
Thanks for both of your suggestions...
I'll try the Pheros dabs to the face in the next hour and let you know what the results are...
Visionary, when you
say to get A1 are you referring to Pheromax? The straight up A1 looks a little too professional for this corner at
the moment. Also the Beta-Nol... I believe there is no product offered on this site that contains it, aside from the
chemistry set which again, I'm not that hard-core yet :)
-JungleSitar
junglesitar
11-20-2005, 06:17 AM
Well,
here's how today went... tried 3 dabs of Pheros on the face and hit the street. Took the train, went to work,
socialized, but didn't see any difference. An hour later I decided to up the anty and tried one small spray
of unscented Chikara on my wrists before I taught class. Again, nothing aside from the usual smiles and socializing
that is both characteristic of this country and the atmosphere in a yoga school.
At the end of the day, (some 5
hours later) I tried again a couple dabs of Pheros. Went out, socialized, and then went to dinner with my
girlfriend... nothing to note at all, aside from a constant headache that developed and has come everyday since
trying Pheromones (but not until the 2nd application)
I'm feeling skeptical to be honest, but would LOVE any
suggestions on how to get any of these 4 products, either in terms of dosage, location, or combination to garner
some kind of reaction that would inspire me. If one of them worked I'm game to order more, but I should see
something right? I'm also a bit concerned about the headaches... not that they're serious, but it's unpleasant.
Will getting reactions from this take a few days? Should I stay with one product consistently?
CptKipling
11-20-2005, 07:25 AM
Just work with one product and
test it to death.
Only use 1 spray of Chikara, or a max. of 2.
With AE start with 1 drop for a few days
and work upwards.
With AA314 try applying 1 drop early on in the day and then applying a few more several hours
later.
As Bel said treat Pheros as a great cover that enhances what you are wearing.
belgareth
11-20-2005, 07:26 AM
Like I said before, don't
count on anything in the way of hits from Pheros. It's a nice product and is great for supplementing pheromones but
not as a stand alone.
Next, keep the pheromones away from your face as you obviously are sensitive to them.
Random hopping from one product to the next isn't going to prove a thing. Instead, start with a single product,
any one that you have. Start with a low dose and wear it every day for a week to see what happens. If no results,
double to amount the next week. Keep doing this until you either start getting hits or see a gross negative
reactions. Now you have a benchmark to work with. Do the same thing with other products. It may seem tedious but
you'll have a far better chance of getting mones to work with you than otherwise.
A couple of notes:
People
who already know you are less likely to react than people who don't. If they know you they already have you
pigeon-holed to some degree.
Pheromones ARE NOT magic! They are only an aid. You, your personality and a thousand
other factors are going to play into your success.
Pay attention. Most of us are poorly equiped to catch the more
subtle hints until we have been watching for a while. Learn something about body language if you haven't already.
platinumfox
11-20-2005, 09:17 AM
Junglesitar sounds like you
are a little impatient and expecting too much too soon.You are "looking" for hits but you dont "see".Alot of hits
come when you are not expecting them.I bet you put on the mones and watch every woman to see if they are reacting to
them when you dont see reactions you get paranoid that they dont work I know from experience.I would try WAGG if I
was you.
bolounit
11-20-2005, 09:51 AM
i
used to get headaches but i developed a tolerance
DrSmellThis
11-20-2005, 02:49 PM
Note on the uses of Pheros:
Every once in a while, I write a note like this; since Pheros is a different kettle of fish from the
other products; and has different uses for different people/occasions.
As you have heard, there are different
effects for different people. Pheros is unique in that it will give you a global natural musk effect, with
the countless natural analog pheromones from various sources in nature.
It probably works best as a standalone
for people who could stand to boost the overall natural musk and miscellaneous pheromones of their body. For
many it would work well to supplement what was lost from the body oils during a soap shower, for example. The
eminently musky Belgareth is not one of those people, according to the stories he's told here; so would likely find
it more useful as a cover, or to enhance other mones.
It can also round out and/or compliment the natural effect
for those who already have a prominent musk note to their natural body chemistry. I'd put myself in this category,
where my body's natural musk is reasonably mild, woody smell.
It is also important to consider that
Pheros also works through conscious channels more than other pheromone products. Musky smells, for example
the smell of sex, work on both conscious and unconscious levels. So compliments on its smell can be taken as
indicating that it is working pheromonally as well. It's not that it "just smells nice", like cheap, synthetic
perfumes just smell nice. This is the case with other "analog pheromones" (do a search if unfamiliar with the
term) as well. For example, smell pure jasmine on a woman sometime to demonstrate this to yourself. You can't
separate the smell from the effect as an attractant. It is a misconception that a pheromone has to work entirely
under the radar, just because the lab-synthesized ones mostly do. Even with single pheromones, for example,
natural-derived -rone from cedar has a pleasant woody smell that contributes to its effect.
Belgareth and
Captain are correct in that Pheros was actually designed mostly to enhance the use of highly specific
synthetic pheromones, whichever ones you choose to use. That is why I left large doses of common synthetic
pheromones out of it. In my mind, and I agree with them here, that is the ultimate use of the product, depending on
how successful one is using their other products. That said, it is not the only use of my product.
Off day
applications are another major use. Most recently, I have been using simple Pheros-type natural perfumes (I
make these for my own use, one day's application at a time, every day to stay in practice) as standalones, on my
off days from synthetic pheromones. Off days are increasingly frequent as I try to work more exclusively with
my natural pheromone signature to help the relationship with my new girlfriend be as genuine as possible. To be
honest, lately I've been focusing more on using my body's own natural chemistry; and omitting synthetic
pheromones, which allows me to avoid the use of soap during hot water showers (You usually have to wash off heavy
synthetic pheromone applications, though I'll give myself one application a week where I'll let it "stew" on me
into the next day or three and have found this technique effective). Pheros can be used without tilting your
body's natural pheromone signature too radically in any direction, and therefore is also good for situations in
which "truth in advertising" is important.
Some have used it as a deodorant, when their pits aren't
particularly smelly. Lastly, it can also be used just for its scent as a perfume; or as a "cover".
junglesitar
11-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Thanks for the
suggestions... it must seem like you keep repeating the same advice over and over. Yes, I can completely be accused
of impatience, but I do have tenacity. I'll dedicate this week to AE/M in small dosages and report back.
Generally you'll find that it takes
a fair amount of time to run through thte various "dosage" levels of each product, and as the effects can vary from
day to day depending on a large number of factors, it can get real frustrating. Some users seem to hit on a winning
combo fairly soon. As for me, I have yet to find any "reactions" I can credit to some products I've tried even
after months of trying them out (eg Perception). I have seen what I am pretty sure are positive results a few times
from Chikara and AE, but they aren't overly consistant. I *have* seen fairly regular negative reactions on a
consistant basis from PI. And trying to identify what mey be a "reaction" can take time as well. I did't realize I
had gotten a "DIHL" from one woman 'till I thought about her behavior after I went home.
DUKE3100
11-23-2005, 07:01 PM
Npa is easy to spot if you get
the dose right and cover it well. Everyone looks at you when you are close...they turn and look...Ae used to do that
in the beginning but doesnt anymore....weird.
junglesitar
11-24-2005, 12:23 AM
I'm happy
to mention that I've tempered some of my impatience and worked slowly and with a more open mind and... well, it's
not like women are crawling all over me but... there are some subtle indications of an effect which is fun.
I
worked with AE/m for three days:
day one: one drop - just subtle warmer feelings amongst female customers
with slightly longer, lingering glances
day two: two drops - a little more flirting, but nothing terribly
overt... more of a halo effect
day three three drops - went to a movie with a side project - she was
touchy feely in a way that was a bit out of place culturally and in terms of the time we've known each other. Later
went to dinner with some friends and ran into another girl that I've known for years... who I would love to be
another side project! Mild flirting that was again, more than any time in the past... I took advantage of it and
told her how cute she was and I could see it defintely made her ponder some illicit options - I think to my benefit.
day four: one drop AA314 in the morning and a second drop a couple hours later.
It feels like a halo
of confidence and friendliness. I really enjoy it actually... although I can't quite tell if it just makes me feel
good so I end up projecting a different vibe or... I've read so much on what to expect that I end up projecting
what I expect if you know what I mean.
Mixed later with one drop of AE/m... no strong female reactions particuarly
but one of my male students (it's overwhelmingly female at a yoga studio: HINT TO SINGLE MEN: GO DO YOGA!) seemed
to jump at the chance to do some work for me, typing in a long list of email names for me, which I declined but it
was a bit eager. Similar effect with another of my male yoga teachers here, he was unusually open and deferent. ON
the way home in my car, my girlfriend was SOOOOO talkative, something she is NOT usually.
today: one drop
AA314 in the morning and then two drops a couple hours later. No serious reactions from women but again, from
men a lot of respect. I met with my graphic designer and he was going out of his way to help me. Offering to help me
with this and that, even going to help me select t-shirts and help me meet several different people and update my
website... when it came to the subject of pay, he told me not to think about it. This could be written off easily,
but in context, we're both so busy it was really going out of his way.
So far, I'm quite enjoying the way
AA314 feels since I'm not really on a strong trip to get laid any more than I am already. I took your advice and
have ordered A1, WAGG, and SOE just to check it out.
Here's a few more questions for the gurus:
1.
what is the outer limit of time it stays effective on the skin? Does this change based on the phero? Some people
posted that it works after 12 hours?
2. If it gets absorbed into the skin, will it continue to emit the next day
without application?
3. Any of you feel emotionally addicted to the use of pheromones?
Peace, JungleSitar
junglesitar
11-24-2005, 12:51 AM
As for me, I have
yet to find any "reactions" I can credit to some products I've tried even after months of trying them out (eg
Perception). I have seen what I am pretty sure are positive results a few times from Chikara and AE, but they
aren't overly consistant. I *have* seen fairly regular negative reactions on a consistant basis from PI. And trying
to identify what mey be a "reaction" can take time as well. I did't realize I had gotten a "DIHL" from one woman
'till I thought about her behavior after I went home.
Robert, I read this again and just had to ask:
what keeps you motivated to use more then? I'm not an old hand at this, but I've seen loads of postings from you,
it would appear that you've both spent a lot of money/time/brain power on the subject of pheromones (I have lately
too, cuz it's so damn interesting) and you're left with a tepid conclusion... Enlighten me. -JungleSitar
itwow
11-24-2005, 02:13 AM
@junglesitar
You're in
Bangkok? I've tested some mixes on my Thai friends (females 20-30 y.o.), cover scent matters to them.
NPA/w
: 1-2 dabs for me (lone-wolf syndrome), higher will lead to intimidation, works great for those ovulating or
menses.
A-1 (half-strength) : 2-4 dabs (keep at minimum, as it affects you), 1 dab also works well but doesn't
last
Chikara : 1 spray, not more. The inconsistent spray is a letdown.
SoE/m : 4-8 inches
Pheros : tried
1-2 dabs, none of my friends liked the smell. for your own pleasure, dab on chest or arm-pits
WAGG : 4-8
dabs
AE/m : to be avoided, serious smell problem, even at 1 dab. Try under the shirt. However, I did get a few
DIHLs at 3 metres away (upwind) :D
A314 : inconclusive, needs more tests & response. I have tried 1-2 dabs up to
2 drops, seems to imitate/replace -none
The northern Chiangmai ladies (fair skin) have low tolerance to
-none, this applies to Chinese Thais also. Those who are native Bangkok (fairly brown skin) are more tolerant to
-none but keep to minimum levels or dabs. Most Thais will do anything to save face or avoiding conflicts, you have
to be very observant. But when the -mones do hit, it is unmistakeable. Have fun.
itwow
junglesitar
11-24-2005, 03:56 AM
yes in Bangkok! :) That was
some seriously useful advice thank you! I just had it confirmed for the second time that the ratio of women to men
here is 7:1! Thais are indeed sensitive to smell and won't show if they are uncomfortable much. I'll keep it
light. I haven't recieved the WAGG yet, but from it's description that sounds like the Thai formula. Have you
noticed that they may be less forward if they have a reaction as well? Are you in the Land of Smiles too?
itwow
11-24-2005, 07:08 AM
I've used -mones for almost a
year & had a chance to work in Bangkok & Kuala Lumpur a few months ago, stayed for 2-3 months. During this time,
I've tested a few combos that worked for me.
[NPA/w : 1 dab] + [WAGG : 4 dabs] + [A-1 : 1
dab]
- used in office environment, gives friendly & trusting vibe, appeals to both men & women
of all ages.
- Increasing NPA/w to 2 dabs sometimes gets DIHLs from women above 35 y.o. Presence of A-1 is
specifically to relax women, it is not required for an all-men environment.
- NPA/w is required in order to
avoid some obnoxious males walking over my head (WAGG alone is not enough for this), as an added bonus, NPA/w grants
sexual tension for women.
[NPA/w : 1 dab] + [Chikara : 1 spray] + [SoE/m : 4-6 inches] + [PF/m :
4-8 dabs] + [A-1 : 1-2 dabs]
- for younger females (< 26 y.o.), increase dabs of SoE/m, PF/m,
A-1
- for older females (> 30 y.o.), increase one or half-a-dab of NPA/w
- A-1 is the important element when
employing combos for attracting females. 1 dab is all it takes. It has some drawbacks though, more dabs can be
applied for greater effects but depression is tough to deal with.
- I've been told that PF/m gives a "I want to
hug you" vibe from Thai females, the scent is addicting but doesn't last more than 2 hours. Combo with SoE/m makes
me sleepy (endless yawns).
- this combo seems to increase the arguments from other
males, mainly due to the presence of Chikara (I've tested this many times, at the expense of working relationships
& friendships, sigh..).
- If I may recommend, Chikara should not only be unscented, it should come with a
dropper bottle like NPA, where users may exercise greater control over the volume. This is necessary due to the
inconsistent spray volume & the extreme OD reactions it brings forth (absolutely & unfortunately). Spray
heads are used when volume is NOT an important factor.
- If -none overdose gets people brawling, Chikara
OD gets fierce arguments among males. Severe Chikara OD (> 3 sprays) clears the room completely, people (both sexes)
walk out while grumbling endlessly. I believe I'm not the only one who experiences this
issue.
Unfortunately, AE/m & Pheros does not blend well into the noses of most SE Asians
(scent-wise). This was concluded after I've requested the honest opinions of a few different races (males & females
: Thais, Malays, Chinese & Indians). I understand that these 2 products work very well in a Caucasian
environment.
At this point, I simply do not have an idea of how to use A314. It imitates -none but without
the sexual tension. When A314 (1-2 dabs) is combo with NPA/w (1 dab), it intimidates most males (25-60 y.o). I get a
huge personal space at the eatery. However, this combo attracts the attention of women (> 40 y.o.)
There was
a problem when combo of WAGG & -nol is used but I don't remember the specifics. Can someone who understand this
issue please elaborate. Thanks.
platinumfox
11-24-2005, 10:21 AM
"WOW" itwow thats useful info
Thanks alot.
MOBLEYC57
11-25-2005, 09:12 AM
"WOW" itwow
thats useful info Thanks alot.
I'd like to second that, PFox! :goodpost:
How old are you ItWow,
and have you used these products in a different cultural setting (black/white/hispanic)?
Thanks! :wave:
Robert, I read
this again and just had to ask: what keeps you motivated to use more then? I'm not an old hand at this, but I've
seen loads of postings from you, it would appear that you've both spent a lot of money/time/brain power on the
subject of pheromones (I have lately too, cuz it's so damn interesting) and you're left with a tepid conclusion...
Enlighten me. -JungleSitar
Well, I keep trying because I'm curious, patient, and like to have some
challenges. Wouldn't mind getting some female interest either. I've been "out of the loop" social-wise for a
number of years (due mainly to a health problem that has finally been figured out). It's sort of a "low level"
puzzle to keep me busy and hopefully reap some welcome rewards. I'm not pushing too hard as I still have a ways to
go in getting myself back into decent shape physically. I sorta have a fear that I'll get a really major hit and
still be just too out of shape to do anything about it...
:lol:
Plus I've found that my chance of
"encounters" with people to do testing on is limited. Partially due to time restraints, but also cuz I find that
even a town of 70,000 can be dead at times. I can walk the 2 mile RT from my house to the main post office to check
my PO Box and not get within 100 feet of a single person most days. And it's now too cold to do even that. Even the
larger retail/grocery stores can be pretty darn empty.
And yes, I do have a fair amount of dollars tied up in a
range of products, so I do want to continue playing with them rather than let them sit and go to waste, and there
are so many combinations one can create and so many other ever changing variables it can take ages to make a dent in
all the possibilities. It's kind of a hobby you might say.
itwow
11-28-2005, 12:18 AM
I'm Asian, 28 years old. In using
-mones, it is important to use cover scent wisely. More so for foreigners in another country as the local ladies are
not used to your scent or signature (compared to local men).
Although foreign men gives off a certain exotic
appeal, it is sensible to keep the differences within limits. Due to differences in diet and culture, foreigners do
smell different (I'm sure it's the same for most people in their own country).
For closed quarters (in
rooms, cubicles, cars etc), I would spray/dab cologne directly over the -mones. For outdoors or large, airy places
(clubs, theaters etc), I would use the -mones raw, with or without cologne, cologne is sprayed/dab on nearby spot if
required.
I always use dabs for -mones & colognes. There's too many application spots, the same number of
cologne spray would result in a scent OD.
junglesitar
11-29-2005, 11:06 PM
Thanks for all the advice...
I'm still in the loop with the testing and getting more "scientific" about it... keeping a journal and such. This
is such a subjective thing still though of course, and when you say that Asians don't like AE I can't say that has
been the reaction I got...
I tried 2 drops of AE (with A1/WAGG 2 dabs each applied several hours
previously) with three different women this week. This is so ultra subjective but...
Mind you, all of these
situations are 100% guaranteed I'm going to have sex with them... Aside from this, the reactions in "normal"
society haven't been anything to write home about.
First girl: Excessively in to me, goes straight for
kissing and etc etc w/o the precursory behaviour. Keeps telling me how much she likes me, can't stop looking in my
eyes and wants two rounds from me... not orthodox behaviour in that kind of place if you follow me. Afterwards she
won't stop talking and looking in my eyes. Mind you this is the first time we've met. I'm a pretty senstive guy,
borderline psychic and usually know when someone is putting on an act or not.
I also neglected to mention that
I was with a guy friend who also had a companion with him, and his girl kept trying to find reasons to come to my
room and even at one point slipped out of his embrace to come and wrap her hands around my waist. I felt like a
rockstar... two nice looking young women I've just met on either side of me, both with that lovely gleem in their
eyes!
:wub:
Second girl: We met twice... both times we're... in the context, WAAAAY TOO HOT! She's
licking my nose for christ sake... I won't go into too many details but in my life's experience, she was either a
seriously sex starved nymphomanic or she was unusually inspired. I'm' not a bad looking guy but uh... this was the
most I've ever seen a woman trip on me sexually.
Thanks for all the advice... will keep any interesting
discoveries to be posted later!
JungleSitar
itwow
11-30-2005, 04:27 AM
You're getting very nice results
with AE/m + A-1 + WAGG :thumbsup: Keep it going! Did the hits happen immediately after you applied AE/m or was it
some time later?
My previous issue with AE/m was the smell/scent (people cover the noses when I draw near, I
couldn't stand it either, just don't know what to do with the smell). This was tried at 1 drop spread on neck &
chest & without combo. I returned the bottle when none of my colognes could cover/complement the smell. Typically,
how long does it take for AE/m's smell to dissipate?
I read that AE/w has a different and masculine
scent, the -none ratio is less than in AE/m. Maybe I should give it a try?
junglesitar
12-02-2005, 12:28 AM
You're getting
very nice results with AE/m + A-1 + WAGG :thumbsup: Keep it going! Did the hits happen immediately after you applied
AE/m or was it some time later?
It was right after putting the AE on. AE and AA314 would be, so far,
the only two that I would consider buying again. AE made sex hot from what I guess and AA314 seems to affect my own
mood positively.
WAGG and A1 do nothing as far as I can tell. What else? I've tried SOE, Chikara, Pheros, and
Edge: over $300 on my experiment so far and while it's definitely fun experimenting with the promise or illusion of
all that pheromones promise, it's too subjective. I get more results from staying healthy and confident more than
anything. I'm starting to think not to bother wasting money on pheromones unless it's a highly specific situation,
not for walking around the city wihout a particular aim. Not giving up yet, it's too much fun and well, I still
have them to play with.
oscar
12-02-2005, 04:55 AM
I read that
AE/w has a different and masculine scent, the -none ratio is less than in AE/m. Maybe I should give it a
try?
itwow,
I've only smelled AE/w in the gel pack, and the one I sampled had a very feminine
fragrance. It was floral and sweet. Quite nice actually, but not something that a man could wear.
I saw those
replies describing AE/w's scent as being masculine, and can only assume that there may have been fragrance changes
somewhere along the line.
If you've been dissatisfied with the fragrance of AE/m, I think that it would
be risky choice to go with AE/w as an alternative in order to get a more A-Nol-heavy ratio.
The Nol:None:Rone
ratio of Perception is not that different from that of AE/w, and with the current deal on the
box of 50 Perception Gels (http://love-scent.com/product_info.php?ref=66&products_id=98) it's also a
much better bargain in terms of $$'s/mg of pheromones.
Additionally, the fact that the Perception Gels are
unscented gives you total flexibility on the fragrance issue, since you can use any scent you choose, AND extend the
diffusion of that scent with the gels' time-release aspect.
Oscar :)
Visionary7903
12-02-2005, 03:29 PM
Hi Junglesitar
don't
be so impatient dude!
You have a lot of experimenting to do and a lot of fun to be had with the products you
have at your disposal! Why don't you try wearing A1 (two drops to the face if half strength bottle) and maybe a
third of a gel packet of SOE while your teaching the yoga for a week? Try avoiding -None and see what that is like.
On the other hand when you know you are going to have sex with women you can continue with AE/m.
Visionary
It was right after putting the AE on. AE and AA314 would be, so far, the
only two that I would consider buying again. AE made sex hot from what I guess and AA314 seems to affect my own mood
positively.
WAGG and A1 do nothing as far as I can tell. What else? I've tried SOE, Chikara, Pheros, and Edge:
over $300 on my experiment so far and while it's definitely fun experimenting with the promise or illusion of all
that pheromones promise, it's too subjective. I get more results from staying healthy and confident more than
anything. I'm starting to think not to bother wasting money on pheromones unless it's a highly specific situation,
not for walking around the city wihout a particular aim. Not giving up yet, it's too much fun and well, I still
have them to play with.
Hint: take advantage of the free
sample gel packs, but try asking for the woman's set instead of the men's set. That way you'll get an easy
quick and low-cost way to sample the "alternatives."
lilplaya
12-07-2005, 11:46 PM
Hey junglesitar.
I would
like to know what you think about soe. Have you tried it just by itself, and if you did what kind of results did you
get from it?
I just want to know, because I was thinking about getting it, but scense you seem to be having a
hard time with the mones. I figured if soe works for you then it must be good.
junglesitar
12-08-2005, 08:29 PM
I think it's funny anyone
here is asking my opinion but I enjoy it so here it goes. I've been keeping a detailed record on my computer, with
application amounts, times, locations, and reactions if any. I've also been reading posts on this forum everyday,
guess I'm not done with the experiment. Not that I'm authoratative but here's my experiences with SOE gel
packs:
I had read about the high marks given to SOE with AE so I've given that a try as well as SOE solo and
SOE with A314.
SOE solo and SOE with AA314 prompted some sweeter looks in the eyes and flirting which was again,
culturally out of context. My feeling is that SOE and A314 isn't a real natural together though. With SOE I applied
each time between 1/8 and 1/2 pack. With SOE it also happened quickly after applying, and I'm also under the
impression that, here, for me, it doesn't last long for effectiveness.
I was so jacked on what I read about
SOE plus AE, plus the fact that I think I had gotten AE to work that I gave this one some solid tries...
Day
1: 1/4 gelpack of SOE and 1 drop of AE. No effect... went on a date with a 22 year old Thai girl to lunch. It
was fine, but she was neither crawling away or sniffing my neck, normal in other words. Rest of the day nothing to
note.
Day 2: 1/2 gelpack of SOE and 2 drops of AE. No effects... had my normal routine and was around
lots of women per usual. Went home and showered and reapplied 1/2 gelpack of SOE, 3 drops of AE, and 2 drops of
A314. Went to meet a different 24 year old Thai girl who is kind of normally in high gear all the time. We met,
hung out, and drove to a club where there were at least 800 people (packed), mostly guys :( since it's hard techno
they were playing! In short there were no reactions either positive or negative the whole night. It could have gone
much further with my date but that's nothing unusual.
The only other effect was what I alluded to earlier, one
day applying 2 small drops on my neck and getting some sweeter than usual smiles and looks in the eyes, and right
after applying stepping into an elevator and having 5 women step in who, one by one turned around and smiled and had
one even start talking to me in the elevator. Is that worth the money to buy SOE? SOE worked marginally better for
me than WAGG or A1 (which did nothing at all so far) so if I was going to do the whole thing over again, I would
order SOE over WAGG. My favorite mones so far are AA314 and maybe AE.
Peace, JungleSitar
junglesitar
12-08-2005, 08:35 PM
Hi
Junglesitar
don't be so impatient dude! You have a lot of experimenting to do and a lot of fun to be had with
the products you have at your disposal! Why don't you try wearing A1 (two drops to the face if half strength
bottle) and maybe a third of a gel packet of SOE while your teaching the yoga for a week? Try avoiding -None and see
what that is like. On the other hand when you know you are going to have sex with women you can continue with AE/m.
Visionary
You are right Visionary, I'll try the A1/SOE thing and let you know! Thanks again for the
advice.
Keeping the journal is a good idea.
I've done it regularly for the past 11 months with some interesting data and results. Something I've occasionally
done is purposefully wear nothing for a few weeks and record those results as well, for contrast.
Try to avoid a
placebo effect. Act in a way that feels natural according to your mood. Forget that you are wearing something until
the night is over, and then reflect on whether things were "normal" or not, and record your observations.
It's
best not to hunt for effects in every little action. Once you've recorded a number of data points you can then make
an informed opinion. Here's an example of something that really stood out for me from tonight...(while wearing 3
sprays of TE, with the spray bottle from the newbie kit)
I sat down alone in a restaurant and after a bit my
waitress arrived without me seeing her, immediately putting her hand on my back and being almost ridiculously
friendly and silly. She touched me at least a half a dozen times while waiting on me, and took her nametag off and
put it on my shirt, and stuck her pen over my ear. She also asked my name after we'd only been talking for a short
bit. I'd never seen her before and I'm not a supermodel, so this was kinda unusual behavior. :)
While that
kind of thing does happen now and then, really most of it is up to you of course.
---
As for what and how much to
wear, that will depend on...your body chemistry, personality, age, targets...probably a combination of things.
For me (caucasian male, 30, living in the US):
I can put on as much chikara as I wish. Mild effects, but does
seem to make strangers more likely to start a friendly conversation. I've typically used 3 or so sprays with some
variation for testing.
NPA or TE, especially NPA, has very dramatic effects. It gives a powerful boost to my
confidence making me ridiculously cocky, and also seems to make some women act in a surprisingly flirtatious way,
and makes men show me a lot of respect. I can wear a lot of NPA without having any overdose symptoms. 3 dabs for
instance does not cause a problem.
AE seems to be a mix between those two. Decent product.
I've used both
SOE and musk with androstenol, and though I seem to detect perhaps a little more friendliness, it's hard to say.
However, I've used these less than the others.
If I was only allowed to have one product, it would be NPA (for
men. all products mentioned here are the men's version).
MOBLEYC57
12-11-2005, 08:13 PM
Thanks!
:thumbsup:
If I may ...
I'd like to know your application points for both your 3 sprays of TE and your 3
dabs of NPA? :think:
Sounds like you prefer NPA over TE, yes? :think:
Thanks! :wave:
Mostly on the neck. The neck is
warm, and it's near nose level, so that makes it easy for people to breathe in the pheromones. I sometimes put just
a touch of something on the back of my neck for people walking by behind me; unsure if that helps, but perhaps.
I like the concentration of NPA, and I also like that I can put a tiny bit under my nose if I wish which can
drastically affect my mood in a good way. The interesting thing is that after using NPA a number of times, and
finding the ultra-confident mood that it put me in, I sometimes now consciously think back to those moments when not
wearing it to put myself in a weaker version of that same kind of mood.
TE doesn't seem to have the same
magnitude of effect on me thanks to being more dilute. I may also be using less of it because of the dilution.
I
went into way more detail with my original "experiment results"
here:
http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sho
wthread.php?p=159495#post159495 (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=159495#post159495)
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