What the heck is A1?

[tonicma]

I been looking

around and people are saying A1. But what is A1. I don't see it on the lovescent for men section.

[Premizen]

A1 is Androstadienone -

http://www.love-scent.com/product_info.php/c/kits-supplies/p/androstadienone/cPath/11/products_id/64?osCsid=d32

4a876183e4f3248521e6ee23d846a

Information:

http://www.pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstadienone.htm

[jollysnowdevil]

find it in kits supplies

section of the store

[Rbt]

And it seems the only "finished"

product available at L-S that includes A1 in it's mix is Pheromax. As far as we know. I've been told that it's a

"patented" (or whatever) product, so some products use stuff that "mimic" A1 (as part of their "secret

ingredients.")

[Cloud9]

And it seems the only

"finished" product available at L-S that includes A1 in it's mix is Pheromax. As far as we know. I've been told

that it's a "patented" (or whatever) product, so some products use stuff that "mimic" A1 (as part of their "secret

ingredients.")

Are you saying that A1 itself is patented? I thought it was a straight naturally

produced pheromone that can be synthetically produced by any manufacturer..I'm sure I'm reading your comments

wrong.

[Mtnjim]

Are you saying that

A1 itself is patented? I thought it was a straight naturally produced pheromone that can be synthetically produced

by any manufacturer..I'm sure I'm reading your comments wrong.

Selling it straight is OK. Its use in

a commercial product is patented (by the Relm people).

[Cloud9]

So how has pheromax gotten away

with it?

[Rbt]

So how has pheromax

gotten away with it?


I was getting my info in a private off-the-record conversation with a rep from a

pheromone product maker so I wasn't 100% certain of the details and am cautious in revealing too much for a variety

of reasons.

Mtnjim is probably correct in saying that it's inclusion in a "finished" product is legally tied

up by Realm (sounds right based on what I've seen elsewhere with other types of products). He may have the facts on

hand that I don't. Pheromax could have simply paid Realm for a "license" to use A1 in their product. Those who

don't want to pay the fees (I assume there probably are fees or at least lawyers involved...) will try to create

substitutes.

And I should also stand corrected. Realm for Women *may* contain A1. I don't recall anything from

the Realm people that actually specifically states that it's A1 in there. Postings and such from other forum

members express the *opinion* that it's A1 from what I've read here. It's also generally thought that the

percentage of A1 in women's Realm is pretty small, meant to affect the wearer more than anyone else.

[oscar]

Gents,

I believe that the key

phrase in the patents is "Fragrance Compositions".

Both patents listed on the Realm box:



U.S. Patent #5,272,134 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G

&l=50&s1=5272134.WKU.&OS=PN/5272134&RS=PN/5272134)



U.S. Patent #5,278,141 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G

&l=50&s1=5278141.WKU.&OS=PN/5278141&RS=PN/5278141)

.....can be found linked in the

Pheromone Research Forum here (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11044&goto=nextoldest)

and here (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11043&goto=nextnewest) for ease of future

reference.

Oscar :)