View Full Version : Disappointing results: Cultural impact?
TokubetsuKei
11-06-2005, 03:52 AM
I've been testing out various combinations and dosages in a variety of situations with the free gel
packet sampler and I must say I've had no conclusive results that they do anything at all. The closest I came to a
hit was when I was wearing 2 big dabs of AE and 2 smaller dabs of Chikara and one customer at a coffee shop made
eye-contact with me- in other words, nothing that doesn't happen to me normally. I don't expect the 'mones to do
all the work for me, but if I'm going to actually buy them I'd like them to do something. I plan to keep on
testing them though and hopefully in the next few weeks I can get myself into more club-like environments, where
hopefully more women means more chances to test things.
One thing I wondered: Is there a cultural component to
how people react to pheromones? I'm currently living in a non-Western culture where people like to be introduced
and vetted by 3rd parties and aggression and assertiveness are frowned upon. Would that impact how people react to
the pheromones? For example, would Androstenone work against me more easily than in a Western culture?
Your
opinions, especially those of any pheromone travellers would be appreciated.
my advice would be to
keep experimenting :thumbsup: you already had 1 reaction & that was the eye contact from the person in the coffee
place
next time you get a reaction like that act upon it (example: go strike up a convo) you'll be pleasantly
surprised! you stated in your post that you dont expect the pheromones to do ALL the work for you & that good
because they wont however they will give you a 'foot in the door' as they say
Good Luck
jollysnowdevil
11-06-2005, 11:11 AM
2 dabs ae and 2 dabs
chikara? may be overdose for some people. actually are you asian by any chance?
the reason i ask is gegogi and
many other asians on this forum report being able to wear huge amounts of none before seeing any results whatsoever.
however soe still brings them usual reactions with standard doses.
Gegogi
11-06-2005, 12:09 PM
If you think pheromones will
change your life when you passively sit on your arse, you're living in a dream word. Pheromones can only enhance
what is already there. They do not create attraction. They do not create social interacton. They do not create
larger biceps larger or a thicker wallet. You are responsive for creating attraction, striking up a conversation,
looking good and maintaining social status. In other words, pheromones are only a small part of what makes a person
sucessful. Artifical pheromones have about as much chance of getting you laid as a new designer shirt--i.e., not
much.
Pheromones merely enhance your assets and actions when in close physical proximity to a human with some
level of attraction to you. For them to work you must actively engage your target with inviting body language and
conversation. He or she will see you before they catch wind of your lab crafted 'mones. Once within nose range, if
he or she is attracted, they will respond much more intensely because of the pheromones. If they are not attracted,
nothing will happen. If they dislike you, the pheromones could actually make them hostile.
Being Asian and
living in Hawaii (mostly Asian population) I can make a few observations about the responses of Asian women compared
to other races. Generally I find younger Asian women, e.g., teenage to early 20s, to frighten easily when exposed to
a strong A-none dose. That doesn't mean they aren't attracted to you. In fact, the nervous behavior and confusion
usually means they are attracted but don't know what the hell to do. On the other hand, I've found older women and
White and Black women to be less shy and often aggressive if attracted. However, once the younger Asian gets to know
you and feels comfortable, she transforms into a large carnivorous feline mammal, ready to devour your man
flesh.
Incidentally, Chikara doesn't do a thing for me. I find NPA or TE coupled with SOE to be consistently
effective.
Bruce
11-06-2005, 12:52 PM
TokubetsuKei,
Since your name
is Japanese, I'm guessing Japan is the Asian country you are in. I lived there myself for 13 years and my wife is
Japanese, so I have some experience, at least as a "gaijin" living in Japan, and using pheromone colognes. I still
remember opening the bubble pack envelope that contained the first product I ever tried. I was driving to work at
the time; sprayed on a bit at a traffic light and stopped off at a convenience store for a snack. The middle age
woman behind the counter engaged me in conversation so agressively that I had a hard time getting to work on time.
Ever since then, I have encouraged people to test products in a shop where members of the opposite sex are expected
to talk to them anyway. Then you can just judge if you think they are unusually friendly. That always worked for
me in Japan. I've always been happily married, so I have never tried to score with pheromones. With the wife, I
have always gotten the definite feeling that pheromones turns up the heat during romantic activity, but not
necessarily make it more likely to happen. With 3 kids, you get into some patterns.
Some points about Japan
and pheromones I have found:
It's a place where tremendous importance is placed on being clean and folks
don't like anything that smells like body odor (the opposite of a place like France for example)
Privacy is
also a big issue and strong scents of any kind can be taken as an invasion.
"Hits" can be extremely subtle.
I often used to have them dawn on me the day after they occured! (when they would haunt me for a week :-)
)
Asian women in general (I also spent some time in China) are less likely to do something on impulse than
their sisters in the US, and more likely to want to meet Mr. Right through an introduction from a trusted
friend.
B
TokubetsuKei
11-06-2005, 03:12 PM
If you think
pheromones will change your life when you passively sit on your arse, you're living in a dream word. Pheromones can
only enhance what is already there. They do not create attraction. They do not create social interacton. They do not
create larger biceps larger or a thicker wallet. You are responsive for creating attraction, striking up a
conversation, looking good and maintaining social status. In other words, pheromones are only a small part of what
makes a person sucessful. Artifical pheromones have about as much chance of getting you laid as a new designer
shirt--i.e., not much.
That sounds like a rant you've just been waiting for a while for an excuse to
break out. LOL. Um, no, lets not make any assumptions here. I'm not sitting on my arse or anything else passively.
I just want to verify for myself that these products do something before I start dumping money into them. There
should be some difference between when I wear 'mones and when I wear say, water. If, whenver something good
happens, its gonna get blamed on the 'mones, and whenever nothing good happens, its gonna get blamed on me being
lazy, well, that really sounds like a scam. But whatever, I've got a few more doses from all my packets before I
run out, so I'm going to keep experimenting. I didn't chat up that one person because I was busy with something
else at the time, and on my way to a club later. As I said, I get looked at all the time (comes along with being a
foreigner) so I don't see how I can call this one incident anything new or exciting.
Incidentally, I'm not
talking about how the pheremones affect Asian races, since the physiology should be the same. I'm just wondering if
cultural barriers and expectations mean I should tailor the proportions of the 'mones I wear.
Thanks for the
rest of the comments folks. No, I'm not Asian. How big a dab is a dab? I have been hearing people talking about
using a 3rd of a packet of Chikara as 1 dab, I've been stretching mine out in tiny little dabs that are probably
1/10th of the packet or less. I'll give your advice a try Bruce. Thanks.
K-Flex
11-06-2005, 04:01 PM
I've been
testing out various combinations and dosages in a variety of situations with the free gel packet sampler and I must
say I've had no conclusive results that they do anything at all. The closest I came to a hit was when I was wearing
2 big dabs of AE and 2 smaller dabs of Chikara and one customer at a coffee shop made eye-contact with me- in other
words, nothing that doesn't happen to me normally. I don't expect the 'mones to do all the work for me, but if
I'm going to actually buy them I'd like them to do something. I plan to keep on testing them though and
hopefully in the next few weeks I can get myself into more club-like environments, where hopefully more women means
more chances to test things.
One thing I wondered: Is there a cultural component to how people react to
pheromones? I'm currently living in a non-Western culture where people like to be introduced and vetted by 3rd
parties and aggression and assertiveness are frowned upon. Would that impact how people react to the pheromones? For
example, would Androstenone work against me more easily than in a Western culture?
Your opinions, especially
those of any pheromone travellers would be appreciated.
Don't use your location as
an excuse, where do you live?
Gegogi
11-06-2005, 04:35 PM
TokubetsuKei, a rant? How about a little reality? I was giving
you the straight shit--friendly advice--based on my personal experience. I'm not looking for a soapbox or typing
exercise. I did not assume anything. I know nothing about you. However, it sounds like you already have strong ideas
about how things should be. Why bother to ask if you only want to hear answers that agree with and confirm your own
belief system?
Pheromones are not a magic pill. If you are passive and unattractive they will not help you
much. They are a minor enhancement like a new hairdoo or a few months of working out at the gym. They will not
fundamentally change who you are or how others perceive you. However, they give you an edge--amp you up if you
will--in attraction and social interactions. Your smile, words and actions will often create more impact on those
downwind. To me that is worth the toil and expense. Occasionally reactions can be extreme, but more often than not
they are hidden or restained.
Neverthless it is best to learn to use pheromones the hard way, e.g., personal
experience. The specifics of how much to wear, sucessful combos, etc., vary considerably according to your persona,
race, targets and body chemistry. Only you can decide what works best for you in a particular situation. Nobody on
this forum can verify that pheromones work for you. You have to do that. Besides, I don't think you'd believe
anyone even if they clearly and plainly wrote "yes, pheromones work for me."
Cloud9
11-06-2005, 04:50 PM
Like gegogi says pheromones
aren't going to do it all for you. They make you seem more attractive and your actions more noticed. Wearing
pheromones is sometimes like wearing a nice suit and without them its like wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt.
Ofcourse its all about how you present yourself aswell.
DUKE3100
11-07-2005, 09:01 AM
One thing I
wondered: Is there a cultural component to how people react to pheromones? I'm currently living in a non-Western
culture where people like to be introduced and vetted by 3rd parties and aggression and assertiveness are frowned
upon. Would that impact how people react to the pheromones? For example, would Androstenone work against me more
easily than in a Western culture?
Your opinions, especially those of any pheromone travellers would be
appreciated.
They have not invented anything that is powerful enough to overpower social conditioning or
the subconcious and I dont know if I would mess with something that could due to ethics. What mones do is help give
you an edge with someone who is attracted to you. The closest they come to overpowering is on some drunk girl who
started licking my neck and another who decided to bite me.
So in other words if she is already actively looking or
she has feelings for you...the mones will lower her resistance and get her hot and bothered. You should also notice
more nonverbal stuff.
TokubetsuKei
11-07-2005, 03:04 PM
They make you
seem more attractive and your actions more noticed.
I understand that. Which I why I say the results are
disappointing- I've yet to see any sign that the Pheromones are doing this at all. I've yet to see anything which
isn't exactly identical to my daily life. There is no foot in the door, there is no "new shirt effect".
So
anyone wanna be like Bruce and DUKE3100 and actually answer the questions I've asked? How much is a "dab"? Let's
not attack the messenger, let's hear some good advice and combos using the freebie kit so he can get these 'mones
working!
belgareth
11-07-2005, 03:25 PM
They've all been trying to
give you good advice. In my opinion, starting off with combos is just a good way to confuse yourself. Start with any
one product. Apply 1/4 pack per day and watch reactions. If no reactions try 1/3 or 1/2 and see what happens. Keep
increasing until something happens. Then move on to another product. It's the only way you are going to figure out
what works well with your body chemistry.
You can take two people, say Gegogi and me and apply the exact same
doses to each of us. One will see results and the other will not even though we are similar in many ways. He can
bathe in -none and I OD very easily on it. He gets poor results with Chikara and I get good results. We are all
different.
Gegogi
11-07-2005, 05:13 PM
How much is a
"dab"?
The messager is demanding is he not? Place messager's bottle nipple on finger and invert. Finger
should be slightly loose but not so loose as to spill your precious joy juice. Finally, return bottle to upright
position. The liquid on your fingertip is a "dab." Place these "dabs" in a strategic location on your person, e.g.,
neck, wrists and/or chest. Stand next to a woman you suspect is attracted to you and engage in friendly
conversation.
The phero-library contains measurements of dabs and sprays if you desire to know the
approximate doseage.
CptKipling
11-07-2005, 05:35 PM
Pheromones effect a person on a
deeper level than culture, right down deep where gut attraction/feelings are. Culture may effect how that
attraction/impression is processed and/or expressed.
I usually "dab" my wrist and then
wipe elsewhere (chest, neck, forearms, etc.) rather than put on finger. Makes my "finger food" taste funny....
Visionary7903
11-09-2005, 12:39 AM
TokubetsuKei
if you
are a foreigner in an asian country like Japan I would try starting off with products without any -None. That means
no Chikara and no AE. I would buy 9 packets of SOE/m and try varying dosages. If you dont see people being more
chatty around you after you have tried every dosage imaginable from 1/4 of a gel pck to 1 entire gel pack then just
give up on mones. With SOE you can expect people to be more chatty than normal and will want to be your friend, etc.
Make sure you are being friendly and nice yourself or the mones won't do crap but get you a few more looks.
I
think wearing -None can be a major problem for some, especially if you are a white guy in an Asian culture. Try
avoiding the -None at first, until you become a believer that mones actually do work, and then play around with
other products. SOE is an ice-breaker - the fact that you might not be in the 'social groove of things' may make
it harder for people to open up to you and may exarcebate the problems you might have in getting through the
reserved manner of the people in the country you are in.
Visionary
I've been
testing out various combinations and dosages in a variety of situations with the free gel packet sampler and I must
say I've had no conclusive results that they do anything at all. The closest I came to a hit was when I was wearing
2 big dabs of AE and 2 smaller dabs of Chikara and one customer at a coffee shop made eye-contact with me- in other
words, nothing that doesn't happen to me normally. I don't expect the 'mones to do all the work for me, but if
I'm going to actually buy them I'd like them to do something. I plan to keep on testing them though and
hopefully in the next few weeks I can get myself into more club-like environments, where hopefully more women means
more chances to test things.
One thing I wondered: Is there a cultural component to how people react to
pheromones? I'm currently living in a non-Western culture where people like to be introduced and vetted by 3rd
parties and aggression and assertiveness are frowned upon. Would that impact how people react to the pheromones? For
example, would Androstenone work against me more easily than in a Western culture?
Your opinions, especially
those of any pheromone travellers would be appreciated.
TokubetsuKei
11-09-2005, 03:03 AM
Now that's all I needed,
belgareth and Visionary7903. Clear, quantifiable advice. Thank you kindly.
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