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Charlie
10-19-2005, 11:46 PM
So i used the SOE
gel pack first as a friend adviced and went out on a week-day. I live in a small island town so the places are
limited when it comes to ppl visiting in the middle of the week (wednesday). I walk to the door and a guy with the
list comes to me and asks for reservations (oups thats always a bad sign). I said no we are just here for a drink
the guy stands there for a sec and he says ok cool and goes in removes a "reserved" sign with a couble of names on
it and has as sit there. (werd...never happened to me..not in cyprus but hey maybe its because we were firstcomers
and all). Now i went inside...first thing i looked for is air circulation. I figured i would at least use the
airconditioning to spread my scent, so i sat infront of an aircondintioning unit that blowed air torwards the rest
of the bar. (a rectangle place, the a/c unit parallel to the one small site blowing torwards the centre. ) Hits?
what hits? My scent scattered around the place (with the help of the a/c) and im sure girls couldnt pinpoint where
it came from (grrrr, me and my ideas!!!). However i think i noticed a searching look in some of them but i guess i
was looking too hard .
BUT (theres always a but). The barman brought as out drinks, then we order more vodcas he
brings and stays there (by then the place is packed). Chated with us and i thought man these guys know about good
PR. So we order out third and last (so we thought) drinks. the guy didnt event need a discreption and from that time
on? we had shots for free, rest of the drinks (absolute-expensive in cyprus) for free, pistatio(nuts) for free and i
mean with such a barman i didnt even thought i needed pheros to get glances as ppls jaw where extended just by
seeing the vodka flow. Need less to say the mayor needed me in his office today and i actual had to look for the
door handle to open the door. So...
Next time i will never sit infront of an a/c unit and... a question
Was the
barman behavious normal? A good PR wouldn't go more than one even two drinks :think: . Could it be SOE? Can it have
such an impact on a man? The a/c unit was blowing right in his face :D I dont know werd...
Oh and a remark from
my friend. "You look like a cop" I mean wtf? is that a good thing or a bad thing?. He knows me for years and never
assosiated me like that! I seltomely get remarks on my appearance especialy from male friends....
Anyway long
post again (i think im spamming these forums :LOL: ) it was just my first night with pheros and thought i ll share
it :) ) So according to phero library i must state this although i dont think there where any hits where they?
:think:
SOE - Scented gel pack nothing else
amount - intended to use 1/4 of pack but i feked up so say
1/2
re-aplications: none
age: 25
apearance/behaviour: i will describe if you guys feel that its needed.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 10:06 AM
Don't be afraid to write about
your experiences. spaming would be writing the same thing over and over or writing things that had nothing to do
with pheromones. SOE isn't a pheromone product I'd use by itself. It works best when added to a product with Anone
in it to give it a more masculine sexual aura. YEs, stay away from fans or a/c units. it will only increase the rate
at which your pheromones start converting back to Anone and decreases the amount of time the product is effective.
Stay away from those things so a woman can pinpoint your mojo.
DUKE3100
10-20-2005, 10:52 AM
Soe is a social mone...not a
hit mone...but if mixed with a sexual mone it can help generate hits. It does not make people think you look like a
cop....your reading way too into this stuff...what it might do is cause your friend to make conversation on stuff he
normally would keep to himself...such as you looking like a cop because he thinks you look like a cop. Over time you
will notice sexual hits because the soe converts to none on some people.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 11:15 AM
funny how all the mones convert
back to Anone. Well, atleast the main pheromones most know about.
NaughtieGirl
10-20-2005, 05:06 PM
Don't be
afraid to write about your experiences. spaming would be writing the same thing over and over or writing things that
had nothing to do with pheromones. SOE isn't a pheromone product I'd use by itself. It works best when added to a
product with Anone in it to give it a more masculine sexual aura. YEs, stay away from fans or a/c units. it will
only increase the rate at which your pheromones start converting back to Anone and decreases the amount of time the
product is effective. Stay away from those things so a woman can pinpoint your mojo.
Charlie, your post
struck me as very detailed and accurate and entirely believable. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us.
I agree that sitting in front of a fan might not be the best way to go about it. But hey, it's cold here!
The
barman's reaction? Odd yes. But that is how we progress with these experiments. An odd reaction. Could be
attributed to something else, yes. But then I had another odd reaction, and another. And it got to the point where I
thought "OK how many of these things can just be coincidence"?
Then I moved on to the next phase. I knew there
was "something real about these pheromones". Then I started experimenting to get the most/best out of the "odd
reactions". It's a never-ending quest I guess. Kind of like a hobby now.
But WxCloud9xW - How would fans or a/c
units increase the rate of conversion to none? It was my understanding heat and our sweating increases the bacterial
population on your skin, which in turn converts the nol to none. How can staying cool (fan - a/c) do that?
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 05:30 PM
Adding more air and oxygen to
pheromones will also cause conversion. It's like leaving your bottle of pheromones with the lid off and it goes bad
after awhile. Here its on the skin in smaller amounts and you want it to last as long as possible. Air/oxygen is bad
to most everything in this world..including humans. its a double-edged sword.
belgareth
10-20-2005, 07:43 PM
That would depend. I don't
know a lot about bacteria but do know some found on our skin are anaerobic which means they don't like oxygen. In
the presence of oxygen they would be less active. In any case I doubt the difference between natural convection and
a fan would be enough to make a huge difference.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 07:46 PM
yeah, but if air weren't a
problem then we could leave our 60 dollar bottles of pheromone open without worries..ofcourse we wouldn't want to
spill it either..lol I"m just saying Oxygen spoils just about everything..metal, food, creates free-radicals in your
body. I just remember something from stone labs 2 years ago about exposure to air increases the rate of conversion.
"it happens as soon as the pheromones come into contact with the air". don't ask me to find that post..
Even if
air was not a problem with conversion the fact that a fan or a/c is blowing your pheromones all over the room makes
it really hard for women to pinpoint where those subconscious smells are coming from.
belgareth
10-20-2005, 08:26 PM
Oxygen combines with a lot of
things, like iron, for example to create iron oxide. If it didn't your body would have no way to get oxygen to your
cells. Oxygn is critically important to our life form. I don't know enough chemistry to say whether or not the
particular pheromone molecules bond with the oxygen molecule but doubt it. The primary degeneration of the
pheromones we wear is caused by bacteria not oxygen. Most of the carriers are not really conducive to supporting
life. My biggest concern leaving a bottle open would be evaporation of the carrier. The same more or less applies to
food. If there is much moisture in food your concern is bacteria, if there isn't much moisture your concern is
keeping the food dry. That's why meat will spoil but if you dry it so much that bacteria cannot survive it will
hold for years.
On the other point I agree. I've often wondered about that. Pheromones drift around on air
currents, right? A fan would tend to blow them around in a plume shaped cloud. Some people seem to think that we can
detect the direction mones are coming from with precision. I've tried to model it in my head a few times and just
can't make it work unless the VNO or whatever detects mones is either very sensitive or works in a binocular
fashion something anologus to how our eyes work. Or maybe it is a combination of both.
Still another thought
about air currents and pheromones. Buildings, especially ones designed for large crowds, are designed with the
understanding that the heat from our bodies rises. Therefore intake ducts are often near the ceilings. You'd be
amazed just how much heat our bodies really generate. Well, if the pheromones are drifting on the air currents and
the heat from our bodies is causing the currents to drift upwards, how much of the mones we use are wasted by
drifting up and into air conditioning systems? I picture it as kind of an inverted cone with the apex centered
wherever we applied the mones and getting wider as it goes higher. To me that would seem to mean we should never
apply mones near our face or upper bodies but lower on our torso.
The last two paragraphs are all hypothetical
and only intended as discussion points, not as a firm stand on it.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 08:49 PM
Nice points and post!...I know
we need oxygen but it also causes us to oxidize like iron on the inside as well. I just remember something a couple
years ago talking about pheromones coming into contact with air starting the conversion process. I do know bacteria
is the primary converter. I was just saying that standing in front of a fan or a/c is bad because it strips away
more of your pheromones and makes it hard for someone to pinpoint them. As far as you said I guess we want know how
much or little air or oxygen effects mones unless we have a degree in chemistry possibly organic chemistry..I cringe
at the thought of taking more chemistry considering I've already taken a boat load thats required to get into
medschool. eww i hate chemistry
belgareth
10-20-2005, 08:55 PM
Worse yet, you'd really need
biochem, YUCK!
I don't take all manufatcurers claims or everything I read here at face value. If it is a
problem my first guess would be airborne bacteria or that on our fingers getting transferred. It's a real problem
as you probably already know. Hospital labs have a constant fight with cross contamination fom specimens and just
dirty hands.
Med school, huh? Good for you. One of my daughters is dating a guy in med school. They work your
butt off.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 08:58 PM
I think i'm actually going to
try dental school..great hours..not on call. and no mal practice insurance problems.
belgareth
10-20-2005, 08:59 PM
Ah! :)
This kid wants to be
a nuerosurgeon and is interested in the brain stem repair stuff they are looking at with stem cells.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 09:03 PM
sounds interesting...maybe
he'll be a success and money will never be an issue. Be nice if we could pick rich women to marry that we'd fall
in-love with..thats would be the best of both worlds.
belgareth
10-20-2005, 09:06 PM
A good question would be the
number of molecules needed to excite the VNO or whatever organ is detecting mones. Then you'd want to know if each
nostril could be isolated by the brain in the same way the brain seperates each eye or ear. It seems to me that
since the brain is capable of doing so with the eyes and ears it should be able to do so with other organs. That
would give you a starting point in determining if you actually could detect where mones come from and how
accurately.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 09:10 PM
I know our VNO is not what is
used to be. Like it was back in the early days of man when you could smell the balls of an elephant in heat a mile
away.
belgareth
10-20-2005, 09:10 PM
My first wife came from a
wealthy family. Never again! No clue about anything but what they want...NOW!
My current SO is a scientist. She
can be trying but is a fascinating person.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 09:12 PM
I value intelligence,
personality, looks, and how I feel about a person more than if they have money. I'd rather be poor and with the
love of my life than rich and with someone I can barely stand.
wow, we're getting way off topic.
belgareth
10-20-2005, 09:13 PM
I know our
VNO is not what is used to be. Like it was back in the early days of man when you could smell the balls of an
elephant in heat a mile away.
True enough. Whole orders of magnitude different though. We do detect
mones. The questions are if it is like seeing light/dark through closed eyelids or like looking with our eyes open.
My guess is varying degrees between the two but closer to eyes closed.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 09:15 PM
I think our VNO operates more
than likely on a lower level than how we consciously smell, but on the same scale. But with the VNO it is all
subconsciously perceived and then we locate the source like a scent and it becomes conscious....I think I'm
confusing myself:frustrate
belgareth
10-20-2005, 09:16 PM
I value
intelligence, personality, looks, and how I feel about a person more than if they have money. I'd rather be poor
and with the love of my life than rich and with someone I can barely stand.
wow, we're getting way off
topic.
Off topic on both conversations. It's late and I'm not focusing well right now.
Yeah, those
are important. Too many only care about whether she's a 8.5 and above and can they get her into bed. I'm old
enough to know that the bedroom is only a small portion of life.
WxCloud9xW
10-20-2005, 09:17 PM
Do you remember me back in the
days as "Cloud9" 2 years ago i went by that name here?
belgareth
10-20-2005, 09:18 PM
Do you
remember me back in the days as "Cloud9" 2 years ago i went by that name here?
I looked up your old
posts.
kuraykillua
10-20-2005, 09:40 PM
How come I remember reading
that 'nol converts to 'none atleast 8 hours after it's been applied???
-k
Charlie
10-20-2005, 10:24 PM
I came accross a thread in the
archives that said that for this to happen it needs catalysts (like body enzyms or sinthetic) and lots of 02. So tha
a/c exposure may play a role. Now how possible is that we can produce those catalysts our selves or maybe the skin
bacteria produce that kind of enzymes? (shooting in dark now hehe)
Anyway thanks for the good words...the fact
is that i didnt believe it when it was happening nor when i was typing it. All those free frinks could have been
another explanation? ie the barman was gay and hiting on us ? lol jking
Anyway used a bit(1/4) more SOE
yesterday when i went shoping but didnt notice anything although i was in a kinda i dont care mood (im always like
that when i do chores :P)
belgareth
10-21-2005, 05:56 AM
How come I
remember reading that 'nol converts to 'none atleast 8 hours after it's been applied???
-k
I give
up, how come you remember that?
Nol starts converting shortly after application and it is an ongoing process.
You may have read that it completely converts within 8 hours. The exact times would be a function of the amount of
bacteria and temp/humidity along with several other possible variables.
WxCloud9xW
10-21-2005, 08:06 AM
I'm guessing if you get a
shower before you put your pheromones on it would dramatically increase the longevity of your applied pheromones.
Unless after you got a shower you went to a club, danced, and got all sweaty.
belgareth
10-21-2005, 08:14 AM
That, and where you applie too.
Gegogi usually applies to clothes and so do I in part. Places like your armpits and groin probably have a lot more
bacteria so conversion would be faster. Your forearms would be slower. A clean dry shirt would be the slowest. I
understand hair works pretty well too.
WxCloud9xW
10-21-2005, 08:17 AM
When I apply my AE i put 2 drops
around my neck and ear area and my 3rd drop i put on the collar of my under shirt for a longer lasting effect.
ofcourse I use APC to cover the skin areas.
kuraykillua
10-22-2005, 10:46 AM
The following information is
from the pheromones reference library...
- -nol to -none conversion
There have been a lot of
discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none does happen, but it
won't be a big issue for -nol products users.
Androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm) (which is a secondary alcohol)
differs from androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm) (which is a ketone)
because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate catalyst is
present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:
C19H30O
(androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm)) + (oxygen) = C19H28O
(androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm)) + H2O
Luckily, in the
usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen fast, so the -nol will
anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very slowly. To get the idea
SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8 hours from first
application.
---------
Yea so like I said before this is where I read it starts converting after 8 hours...
I
guess that's old information???
-k
WxCloud9xW
10-22-2005, 12:22 PM
:goodpost: Any idea on how long
it takes "Arone" to convert? or does it convert at all?
:goodpost: Any
idea on how long it takes "Arone" to convert? or does it convert at all?
To the best of my knowledge,
based on forum posts and info from Le Sillage on -rone heavy a314, -rone does not convert.
WxCloud9xW
10-22-2005, 06:20 PM
That sounds awsome if it doesnt.
It would mean I could use more of it safely with heavy Anone products.
belgareth
10-23-2005, 03:18 PM
The
following information is from the pheromones reference library...
- -nol to -none conversion
There
have been a lot of discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none
does happen, but it won't be a big issue for -nol products users.
Androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm) (which is a secondary alcohol)
differs from androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm) (which is a ketone)
because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate catalyst is
present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:
C19H30O
(androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm)) + (oxygen) = C19H28O
(androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm)) + H2O
Luckily, in the
usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen fast, so the -nol will
anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very slowly. To get the idea
SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8 hours from first
application.
---------
Yea so like I said before this is where I read it starts converting after 8
hours...
I guess that's old information???
-k
That's why I said I rarely take anything on the forum
at face value. We have the information you've posted but the experience of many users that the pheromones wear off
in 4-5 hours and still other experinces that there could be some type of build up issue. They cannot all be correct,
now can they?
WxCloud9xW
10-23-2005, 03:23 PM
Belgareth, Is it true that
Arone does not convert back to Anone over time? It's just Anol right?
belgareth
10-23-2005, 04:34 PM
As far as I know that's
correct. But please don't consider me an expert.
WxCloud9xW
10-23-2005, 06:30 PM
OK..thanks
I think some reasons for variations
in reported time of conversion or "effectiveness" (strength over a period of time) are personal chemistry,
environment (eg. hot and sweaty or cool), how much product you applied and where, etc. Too many variables to make
definitive statements. All the different reports *could* be at least somewhat "right" for each specific user and it
those situations they find themselves in.
Example: some users think Perception is great, but so far I've
gotten zip. Some dis Chikara, but I think I've seen positive responses.
WxCloud9xW
10-24-2005, 02:20 PM
chikara reminds me of AE/women,
but with all those extra pheromones that I have no clue what they do.
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