My order arrived!

[Charlie]

So i used the SOE

gel pack first as a friend adviced and went out on a week-day. I live in a small island town so the places are

limited when it comes to ppl visiting in the middle of the week (wednesday). I walk to the door and a guy with the

list comes to me and asks for reservations (oups thats always a bad sign). I said no we are just here for a drink

the guy stands there for a sec and he says ok cool and goes in removes a "reserved" sign with a couble of names on

it and has as sit there. (werd...never happened to me..not in cyprus but hey maybe its because we were firstcomers

and all). Now i went inside...first thing i looked for is air circulation. I figured i would at least use the

airconditioning to spread my scent, so i sat infront of an aircondintioning unit that blowed air torwards the rest

of the bar. (a rectangle place, the a/c unit parallel to the one small site blowing torwards the centre. ) Hits?

what hits? My scent scattered around the place (with the help of the a/c) and im sure girls couldnt pinpoint where

it came from (grrrr, me and my ideas!!!). However i think i noticed a searching look in some of them but i guess i

was looking too hard .
BUT (theres always a but). The barman brought as out drinks, then we order more vodcas he

brings and stays there (by then the place is packed). Chated with us and i thought man these guys know about good

PR. So we order out third and last (so we thought) drinks. the guy didnt event need a discreption and from that time

on? we had shots for free, rest of the drinks (absolute-expensive in cyprus) for free, pistatio(nuts) for free and i

mean with such a barman i didnt even thought i needed pheros to get glances as ppls jaw where extended just by

seeing the vodka flow. Need less to say the mayor needed me in his office today and i actual had to look for the

door handle to open the door. So...

Next time i will never sit infront of an a/c unit and... a question
Was the

barman behavious normal? A good PR wouldn't go more than one even two drinks :think: . Could it be SOE? Can it have

such an impact on a man? The a/c unit was blowing right in his face :D I dont know werd...

Oh and a remark from

my friend. "You look like a cop" I mean wtf? is that a good thing or a bad thing?. He knows me for years and never

assosiated me like that! I seltomely get remarks on my appearance especialy from male friends....

Anyway long

post again (i think im spamming these forums :LOL: ) it was just my first night with pheros and thought i ll share

it :) ) So according to phero library i must state this although i dont think there where any hits where they?

:think:

SOE - Scented gel pack nothing else
amount - intended to use 1/4 of pack but i feked up so say

1/2
re-aplications: none
age: 25
apearance/behaviour: i will describe if you guys feel that its needed.

[WxCloud9xW]

Don't be afraid to write about

your experiences. spaming would be writing the same thing over and over or writing things that had nothing to do

with pheromones. SOE isn't a pheromone product I'd use by itself. It works best when added to a product with Anone

in it to give it a more masculine sexual aura. YEs, stay away from fans or a/c units. it will only increase the rate

at which your pheromones start converting back to Anone and decreases the amount of time the product is effective.

Stay away from those things so a woman can pinpoint your mojo.

[DUKE3100]

Soe is a social mone...not a

hit mone...but if mixed with a sexual mone it can help generate hits. It does not make people think you look like a

cop....your reading way too into this stuff...what it might do is cause your friend to make conversation on stuff he

normally would keep to himself...such as you looking like a cop because he thinks you look like a cop. Over time you

will notice sexual hits because the soe converts to none on some people.

[WxCloud9xW]

funny how all the mones convert

back to Anone. Well, atleast the main pheromones most know about.

[NaughtieGirl]

Don't be

afraid to write about your experiences. spaming would be writing the same thing over and over or writing things that

had nothing to do with pheromones. SOE isn't a pheromone product I'd use by itself. It works best when added to a

product with Anone in it to give it a more masculine sexual aura. YEs, stay away from fans or a/c units. it will

only increase the rate at which your pheromones start converting back to Anone and decreases the amount of time the

product is effective. Stay away from those things so a woman can pinpoint your mojo.

Charlie, your post

struck me as very detailed and accurate and entirely believable. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us.

I agree that sitting in front of a fan might not be the best way to go about it. But hey, it's cold here!

The

barman's reaction? Odd yes. But that is how we progress with these experiments. An odd reaction. Could be

attributed to something else, yes. But then I had another odd reaction, and another. And it got to the point where I

thought "OK how many of these things can just be coincidence"?

Then I moved on to the next phase. I knew there

was "something real about these pheromones". Then I started experimenting to get the most/best out of the "odd

reactions". It's a never-ending quest I guess. Kind of like a hobby now.

But WxCloud9xW - How would fans or a/c

units increase the rate of conversion to none? It was my understanding heat and our sweating increases the bacterial

population on your skin, which in turn converts the nol to none. How can staying cool (fan - a/c) do that?

[WxCloud9xW]

Adding more air and oxygen to

pheromones will also cause conversion. It's like leaving your bottle of pheromones with the lid off and it goes bad

after awhile. Here its on the skin in smaller amounts and you want it to last as long as possible. Air/oxygen is bad

to most everything in this world..including humans. its a double-edged sword.

[belgareth]

That would depend. I don't

know a lot about bacteria but do know some found on our skin are anaerobic which means they don't like oxygen. In

the presence of oxygen they would be less active. In any case I doubt the difference between natural convection and

a fan would be enough to make a huge difference.

[WxCloud9xW]

yeah, but if air weren't a

problem then we could leave our 60 dollar bottles of pheromone open without worries..ofcourse we wouldn't want to

spill it either..lol I"m just saying Oxygen spoils just about everything..metal, food, creates free-radicals in your

body. I just remember something from stone labs 2 years ago about exposure to air increases the rate of conversion.

"it happens as soon as the pheromones come into contact with the air". don't ask me to find that post..

Even if

air was not a problem with conversion the fact that a fan or a/c is blowing your pheromones all over the room makes

it really hard for women to pinpoint where those subconscious smells are coming from.

[belgareth]

Oxygen combines with a lot of

things, like iron, for example to create iron oxide. If it didn't your body would have no way to get oxygen to your

cells. Oxygn is critically important to our life form. I don't know enough chemistry to say whether or not the

particular pheromone molecules bond with the oxygen molecule but doubt it. The primary degeneration of the

pheromones we wear is caused by bacteria not oxygen. Most of the carriers are not really conducive to supporting

life. My biggest concern leaving a bottle open would be evaporation of the carrier. The same more or less applies to

food. If there is much moisture in food your concern is bacteria, if there isn't much moisture your concern is

keeping the food dry. That's why meat will spoil but if you dry it so much that bacteria cannot survive it will

hold for years.

On the other point I agree. I've often wondered about that. Pheromones drift around on air

currents, right? A fan would tend to blow them around in a plume shaped cloud. Some people seem to think that we can

detect the direction mones are coming from with precision. I've tried to model it in my head a few times and just

can't make it work unless the VNO or whatever detects mones is either very sensitive or works in a binocular

fashion something anologus to how our eyes work. Or maybe it is a combination of both.

Still another thought

about air currents and pheromones. Buildings, especially ones designed for large crowds, are designed with the

understanding that the heat from our bodies rises. Therefore intake ducts are often near the ceilings. You'd be

amazed just how much heat our bodies really generate. Well, if the pheromones are drifting on the air currents and

the heat from our bodies is causing the currents to drift upwards, how much of the mones we use are wasted by

drifting up and into air conditioning systems? I picture it as kind of an inverted cone with the apex centered

wherever we applied the mones and getting wider as it goes higher. To me that would seem to mean we should never

apply mones near our face or upper bodies but lower on our torso.

The last two paragraphs are all hypothetical

and only intended as discussion points, not as a firm stand on it.

[WxCloud9xW]

Nice points and post!...I know

we need oxygen but it also causes us to oxidize like iron on the inside as well. I just remember something a couple

years ago talking about pheromones coming into contact with air starting the conversion process. I do know bacteria

is the primary converter. I was just saying that standing in front of a fan or a/c is bad because it strips away

more of your pheromones and makes it hard for someone to pinpoint them. As far as you said I guess we want know how

much or little air or oxygen effects mones unless we have a degree in chemistry possibly organic chemistry..I cringe

at the thought of taking more chemistry considering I've already taken a boat load thats required to get into

medschool. eww i hate chemistry

[belgareth]

Worse yet, you'd really need

biochem, YUCK!

I don't take all manufatcurers claims or everything I read here at face value. If it is a

problem my first guess would be airborne bacteria or that on our fingers getting transferred. It's a real problem

as you probably already know. Hospital labs have a constant fight with cross contamination fom specimens and just

dirty hands.

Med school, huh? Good for you. One of my daughters is dating a guy in med school. They work your

butt off.

[WxCloud9xW]

I think i'm actually going to

try dental school..great hours..not on call. and no mal practice insurance problems.

[belgareth]

Ah! :)

This kid wants to be

a nuerosurgeon and is interested in the brain stem repair stuff they are looking at with stem cells.

[WxCloud9xW]

sounds interesting...maybe

he'll be a success and money will never be an issue. Be nice if we could pick rich women to marry that we'd fall

in-love with..thats would be the best of both worlds.

[belgareth]

A good question would be the

number of molecules needed to excite the VNO or whatever organ is detecting mones. Then you'd want to know if each

nostril could be isolated by the brain in the same way the brain seperates each eye or ear. It seems to me that

since the brain is capable of doing so with the eyes and ears it should be able to do so with other organs. That

would give you a starting point in determining if you actually could detect where mones come from and how

accurately.

[WxCloud9xW]

I know our VNO is not what is

used to be. Like it was back in the early days of man when you could smell the balls of an elephant in heat a mile

away.

[belgareth]

My first wife came from a

wealthy family. Never again! No clue about anything but what they want...NOW!

My current SO is a scientist. She

can be trying but is a fascinating person.

[WxCloud9xW]

I value intelligence,

personality, looks, and how I feel about a person more than if they have money. I'd rather be poor and with the

love of my life than rich and with someone I can barely stand.

wow, we're getting way off topic.

[belgareth]

I know our

VNO is not what is used to be. Like it was back in the early days of man when you could smell the balls of an

elephant in heat a mile away.

True enough. Whole orders of magnitude different though. We do detect

mones. The questions are if it is like seeing light/dark through closed eyelids or like looking with our eyes open.

My guess is varying degrees between the two but closer to eyes closed.

[WxCloud9xW]

I think our VNO operates more

than likely on a lower level than how we consciously smell, but on the same scale. But with the VNO it is all

subconsciously perceived and then we locate the source like a scent and it becomes conscious....I think I'm

confusing myself:frustrate

[belgareth]

I value

intelligence, personality, looks, and how I feel about a person more than if they have money. I'd rather be poor

and with the love of my life than rich and with someone I can barely stand.

wow, we're getting way off

topic.

Off topic on both conversations. It's late and I'm not focusing well right now.

Yeah, those

are important. Too many only care about whether she's a 8.5 and above and can they get her into bed. I'm old

enough to know that the bedroom is only a small portion of life.

[WxCloud9xW]

Do you remember me back in the

days as "Cloud9" 2 years ago i went by that name here?

[belgareth]

Do you

remember me back in the days as "Cloud9" 2 years ago i went by that name here?

I looked up your old

posts.

[kuraykillua]

How come I remember reading

that 'nol converts to 'none atleast 8 hours after it's been applied???
-k

[Charlie]

I came accross a thread in the

archives that said that for this to happen it needs catalysts (like body enzyms or sinthetic) and lots of 02. So tha

a/c exposure may play a role. Now how possible is that we can produce those catalysts our selves or maybe the skin

bacteria produce that kind of enzymes? (shooting in dark now hehe)

Anyway thanks for the good words...the fact

is that i didnt believe it when it was happening nor when i was typing it. All those free frinks could have been

another explanation? ie the barman was gay and hiting on us ? lol jking

Anyway used a bit(1/4) more SOE

yesterday when i went shoping but didnt notice anything although i was in a kinda i dont care mood (im always like

that when i do chores :P)

[bjf]

Hey cloud9!

[belgareth]

How come I

remember reading that 'nol converts to 'none atleast 8 hours after it's been applied???
-k

I give

up, how come you remember that?

Nol starts converting shortly after application and it is an ongoing process.

You may have read that it completely converts within 8 hours. The exact times would be a function of the amount of

bacteria and temp/humidity along with several other possible variables.

[WxCloud9xW]

I'm guessing if you get a

shower before you put your pheromones on it would dramatically increase the longevity of your applied pheromones.

Unless after you got a shower you went to a club, danced, and got all sweaty.

[belgareth]

That, and where you applie too.

Gegogi usually applies to clothes and so do I in part. Places like your armpits and groin probably have a lot more

bacteria so conversion would be faster. Your forearms would be slower. A clean dry shirt would be the slowest. I

understand hair works pretty well too.

[WxCloud9xW]

When I apply my AE i put 2 drops

around my neck and ear area and my 3rd drop i put on the collar of my under shirt for a longer lasting effect.

ofcourse I use APC to cover the skin areas.

[kuraykillua]

The following information is

from the pheromones reference library...

- -nol to -none conversion

There have been a lot of

discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none does happen, but it

won't be a big issue for -nol products users.

Androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm) (which is a secondary alcohol)

differs from androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm) (which is a ketone)

because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate catalyst is

present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:

C19H30O

(androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm)) + (oxygen) = C19H28O

(androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm)) + H2O

Luckily, in the

usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen fast, so the -nol will

anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very slowly. To get the idea

SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8 hours from first

application.

---------

Yea so like I said before this is where I read it starts converting after 8 hours...
I

guess that's old information???
-k

[WxCloud9xW]

:goodpost: Any idea on how long

it takes "Arone" to convert? or does it convert at all?

[Rbt]

:goodpost: Any

idea on how long it takes "Arone" to convert? or does it convert at all?

To the best of my knowledge,

based on forum posts and info from Le Sillage on -rone heavy a314, -rone does not convert.

[WxCloud9xW]

That sounds awsome if it doesnt.

It would mean I could use more of it safely with heavy Anone products.

[belgareth]

The

following information is from the pheromones reference library...

- -nol to -none conversion

There

have been a lot of discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none

does happen, but it won't be a big issue for -nol products users.

Androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm) (which is a secondary alcohol)

differs from androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm) (which is a ketone)

because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate catalyst is

present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:

C19H30O

(androstenol (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm)) + (oxygen) = C19H28O

(androstenone (http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm)) + H2O

Luckily, in the

usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen fast, so the -nol will

anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very slowly. To get the idea

SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8 hours from first

application.

---------

Yea so like I said before this is where I read it starts converting after 8

hours...
I guess that's old information???
-k

That's why I said I rarely take anything on the forum

at face value. We have the information you've posted but the experience of many users that the pheromones wear off

in 4-5 hours and still other experinces that there could be some type of build up issue. They cannot all be correct,

now can they?

[WxCloud9xW]

Belgareth, Is it true that

Arone does not convert back to Anone over time? It's just Anol right?

[belgareth]

As far as I know that's

correct. But please don't consider me an expert.

[WxCloud9xW]

OK..thanks

[Rbt]

I think some reasons for variations

in reported time of conversion or "effectiveness" (strength over a period of time) are personal chemistry,

environment (eg. hot and sweaty or cool), how much product you applied and where, etc. Too many variables to make

definitive statements. All the different reports *could* be at least somewhat "right" for each specific user and it

those situations they find themselves in.

Example: some users think Perception is great, but so far I've

gotten zip. Some dis Chikara, but I think I've seen positive responses.

[WxCloud9xW]

chikara reminds me of AE/women,

but with all those extra pheromones that I have no clue what they do.