Humorous situation or tough quandry?

[mywetnightmares]

Well aren't I in a quandry. My friends have talked my into asking the most attractive starting

varsity player on my university's volleyball team to a formal event coming up in the near future. It's the

Navy/Marine Corps Birthday Ball. There are two caveats however, one moderate, one very large. Number one is an age

difference, I'm a freshman and she's a junior. Number big(ok so big isn't a deffinite number, I know) is the

fact that I've never talked to her, and she's only seen me twice, once when she signed my headright after I shaved

it after a game. I don't expect her to say yes, so I'm going into it like I have nothing to lose, cuz well, I

don't. That doesn't mean that I don't want her to say yes, cuz I VERY much would like that. I'm wondering if

anyone has any suggestions as to what mones I should wear, and what cologne over them when I talk to her. Mone

selection includes NPA, SOE, and Chikara. Cologne selection includes GIT, Himalaya, original vetiver, imperial

millesime, Havana by Aramis, John Varvatos, Casran, and Pheros. Also I'd be talking to her after the game, when

the team is signing autographs. Should I try to talk to her in the autograph line, or try to snag her before/after

she signs autographs? Does anyone have any suggestions as to anything else specific or non-specific I should do

[jollysnowdevil]

be confident. the fact

you two have never really seen each other means nothing at all. the age difference is no big deal either. ask her

when you would feel most comfortable. don't pick a time when she may be overtired and not want to be bothered. also

it would be best if you picked a time where the two of you would have a few minutes to be in very close proximity to

each other as this will give her extra time to absorb the mones.asking her in a more private setting will probably

be better as you don't run the risk of putting her on the spot in front of her friends. i know when i was in

college if you weren't an athlete and you wanted a chance with say a cheerleader it was better to ask them away

from their circle as they were less likely to be influenced by their friends. not all women are superficial like

that but you never know.

with those mones i would recommend npa/soe combo. cologne choice is

completely up to you. some testing might help you before you make your move. apply a dosage of the npa/soe combo

with one cologne and take a poll from other random girls of their opinion of the scent. next day keep the mones the

same but maybe switch the scent. this way you can find an effective dose of the mones and see which cologne might be

bet. cover scents are a matter of personal taste.

other than that be confident. if she

doesn't want to go then it's her loss. best of luck le us know how it goes.

[mptty]

Is this chick a 8-10

level?
You have to meet her and talk to her at any level (do youhave a pencil?) before you ask her out. ( make

sure that she has a good wiff of your SOE/PI Te what ever, yo have a chance to imprint on her as being someone she

may waht to know.

The second meeting is when you ask here, you have to ask her like it is no big deal andyou

can get another date as good as her no problem.

NEVER NEVER tell her how great looking she is, she gets that

all of the time. no not eyes ears ass of tits. As her opinoin on something like the book she is holding, ( is that

a good text? I was think of taking that class... that was very insightful, thank you.

hot babes are always

told they are hot. tell her you like what she thinks and look her in the eye while you do it; she will go out with

you. This is more true with hot babes than normal 6-8 girls.

pheromones will open the door but they don't

get you through it. Treat her like she is a good friend with a sexual edge on a low tone.

good luck dude!

[mptty]

sloppy writing. Sorry

[mywetnightmares]

In response to the

question about the number range, I'd give her a 9.5. She has the nicest volleyball player ass, absolutely

amazing.

[mywetnightmares]

Oh, I forgot to mention,

the building that her classes are in and the buildings that mine are in are on opposite sides of campus. I don't

think she lives on campus so my chances of randomly running into her are pretty slim. I could look up her e-mail in

the directory but i don't really want to, and I doubt that'd be recommended. If I'm pretty much only gonna see

her after the game how would y'all recommend I go about this?

[jollysnowdevil]

one way... tell her

you've seen her around a few times in passing. you wanted to say hello before but never really had the time to stop

when you saw her. ask her if she'd like to grab lunch. (doesn't have to be lunch)

i agree she probably gets

compliments on her looks all the time. she may very well have heard all the lines in the books so would probably be

best to avoid the pickup lines in the beginning.

have to love the athletic women bodies. she probably could

ride all night long. dancers are even better in my book as they tend to be super flexible.

i've gone out with

several models just because i had the nerve to go talk to them. i never thought they'd be single and i would

actually have a chance. later i learned this was because so many men were so intimadated and counted themselves out

of the equation without even trying. as beautiful and perfect as they were it was shocking to learn they really

didn't get hit on as much as one would think. this is of course different then your situation as they were older

and weren't surrounded by hundreds of horny college guys trying to hump their legs everyday. but it does go to show

you anything is possible.

[mywetnightmares]

So I should ask her to

get lunch or chill after the next game?

[jollysnowdevil]

that's up to you really.

me personally i like lunch or dinner dates before simply the hang out thing for first dates. at least with lunch or

dinner you can focus on getting to know each other's likes and dislikes. you are there to eat and chat vs having no

real agenda trying to keep her interests going.

besides you never know after a strenuous game she could be

really hungry and may decide to take you up on your offer that same day. understand she may be a little worn out

from her day but most athletes need to intake some fuel to recharge their batteries

[mptty]

Teams hang out together after

games, and she will not be at her best. look for between game times. do your research here so you have less of a

chance of gettingshot down. She is not going to skip a game for you. Wear NPA and SOE.

[jollysnowdevil]

Teams hang

out together after games, and she will not be at her best. look for between game times. do your research here so you

have less of a chance of gettingshot down. She is not going to skip a game for you. Wear NPA and SOE.



i agree teams usually hang out together after games and she won't be her best. i said there might be a chance she

would take him up on a food offer that day.

[mywetnightmares]

I decided I'm gonna try

to talk to her after the game on wednesday. If it sounds like she wants to keep talking I'll ask her if she wants

to get something to eat sometime or get together this weekend. If it sounds like she really ain't feelin' me then

I'll just ask her right then if she'll go to the ball with me, since I have to ask her sometime.

[Watcher]

chances are it will end in failure

but dont let that stop u = keep us informed.

[mywetnightmares]

I know, I'm not going

in expecting success. I'm gonna present myself like I expect it, but I don't.

[MOBLEYC57]

Men make

dealing with women harder than it has to be. :blink:

:type: Here's what'cha do ... the next time you see her

dance up to her, and just ask! Say, "hey, you available to escort me to the Marine's Ball next

_________?" with a smile on your face and still dancing. If she say's no, keep dancing and say, "what,

you can't dance?" Let her answer ... if she says she has a boyfriend, say "I understand, or cool," if

she says she's busy, spin around and say, "you're gonna miss out on my best moves!" Tis all a game, so have

fun, and play.

The answer will probably be no, if she has a man. Still, DO NOT WORRY about the end

results 'cause it makes man chiken once the negatives enters into the sitchation, and that's pretty much

what stops most CHIcKEN'S from making the attempt.:run:

And remember, SCARED MEN shouldn't gamble, and

will never get the girl!

[tonicma]

That dancing pickup could be a

little extreme at first. And sometimes it just make you look like a wierd person.
Since you are older than her I

suggest I more subtle approach.
If she is indeed hot as you say. NEVER NEVER comment on her looks or what she

wears etc. You would be seen as a wuss.
The KEY is be a MAN and don't care what she thinks.

And yes, based on

my experience with hot girls. I advice just saying hi and as her to coffee or lunch. Than just joke around and

like "critisize" her faults. Hot girls think they are perfect and so does typical guys.

Have fun with it and be

very observative.

at this lunch just have fun, dont' think "oh oh oh, she so hot, me want to take her out".

Think her more as a "old friend".

IMPORTANT: at the lunch, END the meeting just as you are "having fun". Leave

it hanging at a cliffhanger. NEVER let the girl end it or drag the lunch too long. I say maximum 30 minutes.



Around this time, look at your watch and say "oh look at the time, I have a [appointment or whatever] I have get

going now."

Look at her exponse, if she is like "awed" or open eyes etc. or if she responds with something like

"oh so soon,we were just getting started"

Say

Tell you what, give me your phone number so we can keep in

touch

when she give it to you, look at it and say "You I be able to reach you in this number" to confirm you

know the 'game" some girl tests

Than after confirmation of the number say "Well, I ,might call you sometime by

the end of the week so we get meet up again and continue to develop our friendship"

NOTE the key work is

"FRIENDSHIP" why, cause think about it, man approach hot girls to do what, get into their pants. And i bet you NO

man ever said this friendship word to her. Just watch as her eyes lid up.

than give her a smile and walk away.

Do not look back, just walk away.

than during the weekend say friday call her and say hi and she will say "whos

this" and say you really dont' remember me, this is really dissappointing. (tease her in a funny way), I'll give

you 3 guesses. Than give her clues to see if she knows your name. I don't this all the time, it works like a

charm.

Than after her guests your name or she does not. Just go now that you know me, let go grab some lunch

etc etc. BAM you all good.

Of course the mones during the first meeting is good.

BTW, all what I have

wrote, is tested and true up to 95% of the time with girls areound 9 to 10.

[Gegogi]

"I advice just saying hi

and as her to coffee or lunch. Than just joke around and like "critisize" her faults. Hot girls think they are

perfect and so does typical guys."

Back in the day, I used to do that and really upset my dates. They

thought I was an insensitive ass forever and wouldn't go out with me anymore. Many women--no matter how hot others

may think she is--are extremely sensitive and insecure about their bodies, intelligence and clothing. A lot of hot

women look in the mirror and see a dog. Yeah, bow-wow bro. So a nice comment can be very welcome. In fact, they're

often aching to hear one. I had a GF blow up once because I didn't say anything about her new doo and outfit. Be

sincere, don't over do it and don't be patronizing.

It's better to play it safe until you know them well

enough you don't stick your foot in your mouth with a bad joke, critical comment or fake cocky behavior. Once you

know their limits, you can do any thing you want up to that point. Women are individuals so one size does not fit

all. What works for one will not work for another. You gotta go with the flow.

[DUKE3100]

"Many women--no matter how hot

others may think she is--are extremely sensitive and insecure about their bodies, intelligence and clothing. A lot

of hot women look in the mirror and see a dog."

LOL!!! You have to be kidding me. Look I dont know much about

Hawaii....but where i am from the girls know they are hot....I just respectfully and totally disagree with you here

man. where I am from guys are constantly drooling over these 9's and 10's and complimenting them and all over them

with their pathetic worshipping and pedastool placements. Woman are much more intelligent then a lot of guys give

them credit for....thats for sure. Yea woman like to be noticed and to feel good and be worshipped...but the

confident and good looking ones ones dont have sex with those guys....because those guys are the sheep. Save the ass

kissing for after your married....you'll need it then!Heres what you do....

Dont buy her flowers or kiss her

butt.....Set the tone early with some sort of a compliment NOT ON HER LOOKS but on something she does or on a detail

in her attire ....or as an "evaluation" of her....make sure to build a little bit of rapport...ask her an

interesting question about something that has to do with getting her opinion...then once there is some rapport and

she see's you are not some jerk and before she has a chance to decide you are "just another boring guy" ....it

would be best if you start being playful with her and bust on her a few times if she is really a 9....are you with

me? Make sure its natural and funny...dont do it just to do it. Dont just try to randomly cram it in there. If there

is a good chance for a funny bust on her that shows your not intimidated by her like a canine....than take the

shot.... IT IS CRUCIAL THAT YOU SHOW YOU ARE THE MAN AND ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY HER...as much as you can. I find

woman will actually sometimes purposely leave themselves open and purposely set themselves up to be busted on.... to

see if you are playful and fun and not just another sick porno watchin worshipper of women trying to show her she

should "let" you have sex with her.

[Gegogi]

Maybe it's just me, but most

hotties I've known are insecure as hell and thus easy to wound. However, I'm good at seeing through the glam and

glimpsing their essence (usually a scared little girl). Once you know their strengths and weaknesses, it's easy to

steer the relationship the way you desire. You don't have to resort to formulas and silly games. Of course you must

enjoy and entertain these insights from a position of power, confidence and utter relaxation. Most younger guys take

themselves and their desires too seriously and therein lies the problem. They're too needy and acting like you

aren't hungry is a tall order when you're pitching a tent with your Levis.

Dont buy her flowers or kiss

her butt
Actually the forbitten kiss of the blind eye is one of my favs. The flowers come later (but not

too often so they remain special).

[DUKE3100]

Maybe it's just

me, but most hotties I've known are insecure as hell and thus easy to wound. However, I'm good at seeing through

the glam and glimpsing their essence (usually a scared little girl). Once you know their strengths and weaknesses,

it's easy to steer the relationship the way you desire. You don't have to resort to formulas and silly games. Of

course you must enjoy and entertain these insights from a position of power, confidence and utter relaxation. Most

younger guys take themselves and their desires too seriously and therein lies the problem. They're too needy and

acting like you aren't hungry is a tall order when you're pitching a tent with your Levis.

Actually the

forbitten kiss of the blind eye is one of my favs. The flowers come later (but not too often so they remain

special).

I used to feel the same way you do....perhaps the culture in Hawaii is different then the

mainland....I dont play games with women....but I dont fall for their games either....and I certainly dont think

they are just innocent and delicate creatures.... Course I cant figure out all of a womans strengths and weaknesses

on the first date like you can either....but that will probably come with experience and age.

P.S....The way I

feel is if a real hot woman is acting insecure about her looks its because she is fishing for a compliment from

you....and if you are not with her yet....you may not want to fall into her little "game" cause thats what it is.

Hot women are used to being worshipped and if you dont worship them they try to create drama and attention. If you

havent landed her yet ....and you give into that game with her...you become another average guy....and could become

yesterdays news.

[Gegogi]

Like most things in life, it

depends. Some are delicate, innocent and inexperienced, some are a lioness ready to eat you alive while others are

hoes in angel threads. Nevertheless I rarely take my pursuits of women very seriously nor am I goal oriented or

competitive in those pursuits. However it's not a game. I actually don't care if she ends up as friend, friend

with benefits, lover, GF, etc. Actually the "friend with benefits" is my fav if I had a choice. However, it's all

good and there's plenty more where she came from.

[DUKE3100]

Nevertheless I

rarely take my pursuits of women very seriously nor am I goal oriented or competitive in those pursuits. However

it's not a game. I actually don't care if she ends up as friend, friend with benefits, lover, GF, etc. Actually

the "friend with benefits" is my fav if I had a choice. However, it's all good and there's plenty more where she

came from.

Yup....I agree with this wholeheartedly....any other attitude is a flawed one....some guys

get "fixated" on one girl. I used to do the same thing. Learned my lesson on that one. The only time I will ever get

fixated on one girl as the only girl for me will be if I get married. If I agree not to see "other" girls

though....of course I would hold true to my promise.

[mywetnightmares]

One more quick question,

when I talk to her should I act like I have a sort of indifferent attitude? Like I'm interested but at I don't

really care at the same time?

[MOBLEYC57]

My bad on my advice. :blink: I

misunderstood. Thought you two knew each other visually, and had a few words already, in which the dancing bit was

to be different and humorous. If she found that weird, she doesn't have a sense of humor, and is definitely not

worthy. I wouldn't go out with a total stranger, unless, in my eyes, she was totally HOOOOOOOOOOT! I'm sure the

same applies to her. :think:

Be yourself ... humor and kindness is good seasoning for one's

character.

[Watcher]

My input here is if u dont succeed

with this one just wear the pheromones every single day and u will get plenty of other hot girls on u its up to u

what u do with their appraochs etc after that. For he who focuses on one girl stands a 1 in 20 chance of being

successful. Hence lies the 95% failure rate for the one girl focused guy.

[mywetnightmares]

I forgot to check the

volleyball schedule before I asked her, they have a game the day after and they have to travel the day before to get

there. She never gave me a definitive yes or no however so I'm going to ask her what her answer would have been,

were there no schedule conflict. If she says she would have said yes, then I'm gonna ask her to get lunch with me

sometime, if she says no, then it's done.

[DUKE3100]

DONT ASK HER WHAT SHE WOULD

HAVE SAID!!! That is putting pressure on her....and she may say no because your making her take initiative and girls

dont like that...they like you to make them feel that they have no choice but to say yes so they dont look needy or

desperate or too easy. You may have already blown it by not asking for another date right then and there and she is

probably wondering what your gig is. If she did not answer either way with the schedule thing in the way that means

she wanted to do something with you. Instead of asking her what she WOULD have said...ask her out to dinner on such

and such day. If she is busy tell her that you are real busy but would be interested in finding a time to do it with

her and give her a couple choices. Do it.

[jollysnowdevil]

DONT ASK

HER WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE SAID!!! That is putting pressure on her....and she may say no because your making her take

initiative and girls dont like that...they like you to make them feel that they have no choice but to say yes so

they dont look needy or desperate or too easy. You may have already blown it by not asking for another date right

then and there and she is probably wondering what your gig is. If she did not answer either way with the schedule

thing in the way that means she wanted to do something with you. Instead of asking her what she WOULD have

said...ask her out to dinner on such and such day. If she is busy tell her that you are real busy but would be

interested in finding a time to do it with her and give her a couple choices. Do it.

i

agree dont ask what she would have said. she didnt say no she said she couldnt becuz of travelling for the game.

seems you have a chance at another time.

[Mtnjim]

i agree dont

ask what she would have said. she didnt say no she said she couldnt becuz of travelling for the game. seems you have

a chance at another time.

Besides if you ask, you seem needy!

Just let it go like it was of no

importance in the grand scheme of your life and ask her out later.

[NaughtieGirl]

Besides if

you ask, you seem needy!

Just let it go like it was of no importance in the grand scheme of your life and ask

her out later.

Yes, whatever you do, do NOT ask what she would have said.

[Watcher]

what she ended up saying and more

importantly doing afterwards is what counts

[Big M]

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